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01:18:42 <JohnTHaller> everybody havin fun?
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01:19:53 <ZachThibeau> back y'all
01:22:11 <JohnTHaller> wb
01:22:18 <sar3th> yeah, bioshock 2 is great ;)
01:22:19 <JohnTHaller> Check out 2nd profiles yet? :-)
01:22:27 <JohnTHaller> I just finished Mass Effect 2.
01:22:34 <sar3th> nice, how was the game?
01:22:54 <JohnTHaller> ME2 is solid. Player through ME1 twice already. Gonna start a new ME2 game maybe next week.
01:23:28 <JohnTHaller> Oh, so I joined PortableFreeware.com: http://www.portablefreeware.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5933 Whaddya think... good idea, bad idea?
01:25:33 <ZachThibeau> well let's say over at Portable Freeware, you have the good the bad and the down right ugly people, you have people that support you and you have people that are meh about the idea and then there are the people that don't like PortableApps.com
01:26:03 <JohnTHaller> Oh I know. I've seen some of the postings before. But I figured it was worth a try to participate a bit.
01:26:55 <ZachThibeau> well for what it is worth, I think people would be interested
01:27:12 <JohnTHaller> They have a different demographic than PA.c but now that we do freeware, I figured there is more overlap.
01:28:25 <JohnTHaller> I also figured it couldn't hurt for some people there to actually be able to interact with me... hopefully realizing I'm not the enemy of PFC they think I am :-)
01:29:10 <JohnTHaller> Think it's worth a shot?
01:29:15 <ZachThibeau> well I think so
01:29:35 <ZachThibeau> keep in mind this is the forum (which I'm sure you know) where lupo hangs out in too
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01:30:06 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, I know. I'll try and be civil even though he's ripped us off a few times.
01:31:05 <ZachThibeau> I'm more concerned about him being not civil than you :P
01:31:10 <sar3th> heh
01:31:20 <sar3th> i agree
01:31:39 <JohnTHaller> He's welcome to be uncivil. But I'm not big on getting drawn in. I'll be polite and state my case when warranted if it comes to anything.
01:32:21 <ZachThibeau> in that case there is a saying that I have, Be nice to your enemies, it's like dumping hot coal on them :P
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01:33:31 <JohnTHaller> Honestly, I don't look at Lupo as an enemy. He has some dev chops. I just wish he employed them to better use and was better about following the GPL/trademark guidelines and put his talents to better use.
01:34:15 <gluxon> JohnTHaller: That's good :)
01:34:27 <gluxon> He gave me about 4 more langs for eXpresso a while ago :)
01:35:31 <JohnTHaller> That's cool. Hopefully he'll just use that rather than trying to make it seem like he created it.
01:36:26 <gluxon> He is :D
01:36:31 <JohnTHaller> Think it's a bit odd I just show up on PFC with a simple post? I thought that might throw some people.
01:37:33 <ZachThibeau> nah most people do that anyways
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01:37:52 <ZachThibeau> howdy pa_3435 how can we be of assistance?
01:38:15 <pa_3435> I need to download the portable application suite but I can't form sourceforge
01:38:29 <pa_3435> there is a loop when trying to download
01:38:39 <gluxon> pa_3435: What's your location? :'(
01:38:42 <pa_3435> this is happening with every sourceforge download
01:38:46 <pa_3435> I am on Puerto Rico
01:39:03 <ZachThibeau> have you tried to change the mirror?
01:39:06 <gluxon> SourceForge.net banned a couple contries a while back.
01:39:17 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, but no Puerto Rico.
01:39:32 <JohnTHaller> Did you try to select a different mirror?
01:39:45 <pa_3435> Which one should i choose
01:39:55 <gluxon> pa_3435: Any but the one you WERE using :P
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01:40:15 <Joji> hello?
01:40:16 <pa_3435> jeje. let
01:40:16 <pa_3435> I try this rigth know
01:40:23 <Joji> can someoen help me please
01:40:28 <JohnTHaller> Try this one: http://iweb.dl.sourceforge.net/project/portableapps/PortableApps.com%20Suite/PortableApps.com%20Suite%201.6/PortableApps.com_Suite_Setup_1.6_English.exe
01:40:29 <Joji> ughhh
01:40:41 <JohnTHaller> Hi Joji, how can we help you?
01:40:50 <Joji> I wonder if anyone knows how to uninstall portable apss thing
01:40:53 <Joji> that i installed
01:40:55 <Joji> onto my usb
01:40:58 <Joji> just in case
01:41:00 <gluxon> Joji: What version of the menu do you have?
01:41:01 <Joji> u know...
01:41:05 <Joji> hold on
01:41:14 <Joji> newest
01:41:14 <gluxon> In 1.6, just right click on the app, and select "Uninstall"
01:41:15 <Joji> 1.6
01:41:18 <JohnTHaller> Sure, instructions are right here: http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#uninstalling
01:41:21 <Joji> thanks
01:41:26 <JohnTHaller> He means uninstall the platform/suite, not just an app.
01:41:35 <gluxon> Ah, sorry. :(
01:41:51 <pa_3435> Exelent, people , thanks a lot, know it works
01:41:56 <pa_3435> Exelent
01:41:59 <JohnTHaller> pa_3435: Great, glad to help.
01:42:01 <pa_3435> Thanks a lot
01:42:08 <pa_3435> bye
01:42:15 <JohnTHaller> pa_3435: Have a good one
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01:42:29 <Joji> uhm ok i just did wat u said mr Thaller
01:42:35 <Joji> and theres a problem
01:42:40 <JohnTHaller> What's up?
01:42:43 <Joji> well u know the icon that hs the usb
01:42:51 <Joji> how do i change it back to normal
01:42:58 <JohnTHaller> Yup. You need to unplug and replug for Windows to see the change.
01:43:04 <Joji> ohhhhh
01:43:06 <Joji> alright...
01:43:09 <Joji> thanks very much
01:43:12 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, Explorer caches it
01:43:15 <JohnTHaller> Sure thing, Joji
01:43:32 <Joji> KOOOl
01:43:37 <Joji> it turns back to normal!
01:44:00 <Joji> awesome, im going to tell ur support team or something that ur a nice guy :)
01:44:04 <Joji> and u were very patient ;)
01:44:11 <JohnTHaller> Joji: Yup. Were you just trying to uninstall to see if it works? Or did you have some problem with it?
01:44:19 <Joji> yes i was just trying
01:44:25 <Joji> cause i don't want problems to occur
01:44:31 <Joji> like no install means oh no!
01:44:31 <JohnTHaller> Joji: Thanks. I'm the lead developer and supporter :-)
01:44:33 <Joji> lol
01:44:36 <Joji> :O
01:44:38 <Joji> kool
01:44:45 <Joji> nice...
01:45:06 <sar3th> actually, JohnTHaller is THE JohnTHaller who started it all ;)
01:45:13 <Joji> WTF!?
01:45:15 <Joji> whoaaa
01:45:27 <Joji> thats amazing...
01:45:35 <JohnTHaller> Heh. Guilty. Started it with Portable Firefox in March 2004 :-)
01:45:37 <Joji> so u get pretty well paid for makinga site like this?
01:45:47 <Joji> like companies sponsor or something?
01:46:02 <JohnTHaller> Nope. I'm actually in dept because of it at the moment. But we're working on making it self-sufficient with as couple partnerships.
01:46:10 <Joji> portable firefox... i like portable google chrome better
01:46:20 <JohnTHaller> We just need to be careful it doesn't wind up only working with one vendor like U3 did.
01:46:28 <Joji> dept? oh no...
01:46:36 <JohnTHaller> Ah, the new Chrome is coming out shortly. 4.0 needed some extra testing.
01:46:41 <Joji> U3? never heard of it... probably ur host or something?
01:46:53 <Joji> i hate everytime when i go onto chrom
01:46:58 <JohnTHaller> A similar thing to PA.c. Came out after us. Never caught on.
01:47:04 <Joji> my WOT asks me to snycro
01:47:09 <Joji> cause i always delete everything err u know
01:47:21 <Joji> ctr + shift + delete ?
01:48:29 <Joji> Ughhh I shouldn't be bothering u guys anymore, thanks for the help
01:48:35 <Joji> im guessing other ppl need help too
01:48:45 <Joji> so see ya, bi :)
01:48:58 <JohnTHaller> Heh, it's ok. Have a good one, Joji
01:49:05 <Joji> thanks...
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01:49:29 <gluxon> JohnTHaller: PortableApps.com came before U3?
01:49:35 <ZachThibeau> heck yes
01:49:38 <JohnTHaller> Yup
01:50:05 <ZachThibeau> I remember when I first say PortableApps.com when it first started and it was definetly before U3
01:50:09 <ZachThibeau> **say =saw
01:50:17 <gluxon> Oh. :P
01:50:26 <gluxon> I came here originally for U3 support :P
01:50:46 <ZachThibeau> thats because John did some U3 packages for a little bit :P
01:50:59 <gluxon> I know :P
01:51:05 <gluxon> Firefox for U3 is still at 2.0 :P
01:51:06 <JohnTHaller> I built Firefox, Thunderbird and OpenOffice.org for them. When I left, they stopped doing new versions.
01:51:48 <JohnTHaller> They tried to force my hand with a Firefox release, I said no and walked. Honestly, I think the lack of updates is what did them in.
01:52:23 <ZachThibeau> JohnTHaller: since U3 is practically dead and you no longer support the U3 versions of Firefox etc wouldn't it make sense to finally close the U3 forum?
01:52:59 <JohnTHaller> Not quite yet. I'm working on a way to help U3 folks switch over to PA.c. That way they're not left stranded just because a closed source product died.
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01:53:14 <ZachThibeau> ahh ok
01:53:23 <ZachThibeau> makes sense
01:54:25 <sar3th> that's very kind of you :)
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01:54:48 <ZachThibeau> howdy Scriptdaemon
01:55:20 <JohnTHaller> Well, you figure the U3 end users didn't know what they were getting themselves into.
01:55:42 <Scriptdaemon> ZachThibeau, question. In PChat's server list (the .conf file), what do F and D mean?
01:56:07 <Scriptdaemon> I assume it still uses those from XChat.
01:56:09 <ZachThibeau> Scriptdaemon: are you talking about Servlist_.conf?
01:56:12 <Scriptdaemon> Yeah.
01:56:45 <ZachThibeau> and since functionality wise nothing has changed much it still uses much of XChat's behaviours
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01:57:36 <Scriptdaemon> Alright, so what purpose do they serve?
01:57:57 <ZachThibeau> h/o I'm pulling up my config to follow along
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01:58:36 <Scriptdaemon> F is usually a number like 19, D is usually 0 (from the defaults).
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01:58:52 <Scriptdaemon> For each server.
01:59:27 <ZachThibeau> just a moment, rummiging through XChat's documentation, I remember seeing something about that there
01:59:41 <gluxon> Sorry about all that :9
02:00:03 <Scriptdaemon> Ah, I tried Googling, but didn't come up with anything (mainly because I wasn't sure what to search for).
02:02:14 <ZachThibeau> here we go :) http://xchatdata.net/Using/Servlist-conf
02:02:22 <ZachThibeau> F = flags
02:02:50 <ZachThibeau> D is which server in the server list for the selected network
02:03:37 <Scriptdaemon> Ah, k.
02:03:37 <ZachThibeau> so like I said it's default behaviour inhereted by PChat from XChat on how it handles connections etc
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02:06:31 <ZachThibeau> there :D
02:06:49 <ZachThibeau> fixed that aweful looking pitmap I had in the about dialog
02:06:51 <ZachThibeau> :P
02:08:15 <ZachThibeau> also includes a special thanks to NeoRame for designing PChats logo/icon :)
02:11:51 <Scriptdaemon> Did you remove some servers from the default list?
02:12:10 <ZachThibeau> no I added 2 actually
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02:12:27 <Scriptdaemon> Hmm, a few seem to be missing.
02:12:32 <Joji> Oh ughhh hi Mr. John Thaller Sir
02:12:56 <ZachThibeau> one of them is my own IRC server (which seems to be down and I can't even ssh to my server to reload it) and I also added Dave Dixon's server to it too thats about all I did
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02:13:13 <ZachThibeau> Scriptdaemon: possibly, the codebase is based off of the latest XChat SVN
02:13:16 <Joji> I decided to uninstall that app... the portable ap thing anyways... kinda useless since its not compatible with other
02:13:18 <Joji> portable aps
02:13:30 <Bensawsome> sorry about that
02:13:32 <Joji> like it wont show in the list
02:13:37 <Scriptdaemon> Ah, so maybe they removed them because they were down or someething.
02:13:54 <ZachThibeau> Scriptdaemon: -dev for this
02:13:57 <sar3th> Joji: http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#addingotherapps
02:14:04 <Joji> ya sar3th
02:14:11 <Joji> ohhhh another link
02:14:13 <Joji> cool
02:14:17 <sar3th> :)
02:14:23 <Joji> oh no no...
02:14:32 <Joji> like aps that arnte from this site
02:14:59 <Joji> portable aps from like say, this site: http://www.pendriveapps.com/
02:15:09 <Joji> ya...
02:15:13 <Joji> but its ok
02:15:20 <Joji> i organized my files well :)
02:16:04 <Joji> but it obviously doesn't reconize other programs not from this site am i correct?
02:16:05 <sar3th> read the link Joji, you can add these apps as well
02:16:14 <Joji> ...
02:16:17 <Joji> ohhh k
02:16:20 <Joji> thanks again!
02:16:21 <Joji> lol
02:16:21 <sar3th> no, they have to be in the right place, then it'll detect them
02:16:37 <sar3th> "For example, if you have a portable program MyApp.exe, you could create a folder called X:\PortableApps\MyApp\ and place MyApp.exe and all its files within there."
02:16:38 <sar3th> ;)
02:16:40 <Joji> yes i just remembered... theres folder where u put those aps in and in reconizes
02:16:43 <Joji> right right...
02:16:45 <Joji> my bad!
02:16:53 <Joji> thanks again...
02:17:46 <Scriptdaemon> Brb.
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02:19:37 * rcmaehl has an idea for PortableApps.... PortableApps on a DVD-RW
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02:24:21 <ZachThibeau> Hello GizmoBot and welcome to #portableapps. If you need assistance, just ask your question, and WAIT rather than just leaving. Someone will respond as soon as they can.
02:24:23 <GizmoBot> GizmoBot is the official bot of #Gizmokid2005 and #PortableApps.
02:24:27 <GizmoBot> Hi ZachThibeau!
02:24:39 <ZachThibeau> O_o
02:24:53 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> wow...not sure what all that noise was...
02:25:04 <rcmaehl> You heard it too
02:25:05
02:25:06 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> probably has to do with IRCd7
02:25:45 <ZachThibeau> possibly, however I need to fix my script as it's saying hello before the user joins :/
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02:30:01 <rcmaehl> Hey, when you say "to bundle a custom version of our software on your device or to distribute our software" does it mean that you can create a custom PAP from my organization? If so, will you please?
02:30:22 <rcmaehl> for*
02:34:28 <Bensawsome> that mean's you can make a partnership with them and they will give you permission to copy it all onto you usb drive
02:34:32 <Bensawsome> but you have to do it
02:35:32 <rcmaehl> ...
02:35:48 <rcmaehl> Layman's terms please
02:35:53 <Bensawsome> no
02:36:05 <Bensawsome> is the direct answer to your question
02:36:08 <Bensawsome> afaik atleast
02:36:35 <JohnTHaller> rcmaehl: Hi, what do you need?
02:36:46 <Bensawsome> john knows all :3
02:37:17 <rcmaehl> I would like to make a Custom PAP to distribute to spread the word of my organization.
02:37:26 <JohnTHaller> What kind of organization?
02:37:46 <rcmaehl> Non-profit COmputer Support
02:38:04 <JohnTHaller> Ah. You want to bundle it on drives and give em away or sell em?
02:38:26 <rcmaehl> Give them away
02:39:25 <JohnTHaller> Either way, you can actually do the suite for free as long as its unmodified. There's also the option to do a custom theme and branding for as little as a few cents a drive depending on volume... that's more geared towards bigger commercial folks, though.
02:39:48 <rcmaehl> ...hmmm
02:39:59 <rcmaehl> About how much are wwe talking about
02:41:04 <JohnTHaller> Depends on volume. Though if you're a non-profit and it's not for sale, I think we'd be col with you doing a custom theme on it free.
02:41:29 <rcmaehl> KThx
02:41:39 <Bensawsome> but the company has to buy the drives themselves right?
02:42:11 <JohnTHaller> Drop a note to me from the contact page and we can assist with the setup. Help you easily add a link to your website as a menu item and stuff.
02:42:21 <rcmaehl> :D
02:52:17 <Joji> Oh hey John Thaller
02:52:18 <Joji> ur back
02:52:28 <Joji> Sar3th helped me again. :)
02:52:32 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, just for a couple minutes. Fighting a migraine.
02:52:34 <Joji> i mean instead
02:52:34 <JohnTHaller> Good :-)
02:52:46 <Joji> migraine... u have a cold?
02:53:00 <rcmaehl> JohnTHaller, Try Drinking Slim Milk
02:53:01 <Joji> err headache right?
02:53:04 <JohnTHaller> Nope. Just a migraine. But a bad one I've been losing a fight to.
02:53:15 <Joji> ohhh k
02:53:22 <JohnTHaller> skim milk?
02:53:23 <Joji> i like soy bean better
02:53:25 <Joji> its sweat
02:53:33 <Joji> and it takes soy
02:53:34 <rcmaehl> yeah
02:53:42 <Joji> but i cant drink it everday
02:53:44 <rcmaehl> skim milk I mena
02:53:47 <rcmaehl> mean*
02:54:01 <JohnTHaller> hmm... it does seem to be one of the things recommended
02:54:10 <Joji> they put sugar in them unless u buy the unsweetened ones... but it takes blahhh
02:54:21 <Joji> use cold fx!!!
02:54:25 <Joji> it always works for me
02:54:29 <Joji> i got friging cold
02:54:34 <Joji> 1 or 2 days later, its gone! XD
02:54:51 <Joji> very awesome drug
02:55:14 <Joji> but if its minor migraine then i guess advil?
02:55:20 <Joji> dunno
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02:55:53 <rcmaehl> GTG, Bye everyone
02:56:00 <Joji> mhm see ya friend
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02:56:02 <ZachThibeau> Hello there and welcome to the channel, if you need assistance, just ask your question, and WAIT rather than just leaving. Someone will respond as soon as they can.
02:56:07
02:56:24 <ZachThibeau> wow my first c plugin works :D
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02:56:26 <ZachThibeau> Hello there and welcome to the channel, if you need assistance, just ask your question, and WAIT rather than just leaving. Someone will respond as soon as they can.
02:56:33 <Joji> c plugin? wats a c plugin?
02:56:35 <JohnTHaller1> Did full strength advil dose. Nothing. Did imitrex, helped a little.
02:56:37 <Joji> ...
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02:56:46 <Joji> wats that?
02:57:44 <Joji> Portable IRC??? never knew about irc whats that
02:57:53 <Joji> err whats that program anyways...
02:57:56 <Joji> oh well
02:58:02 <Joji> asking too many questions... lol
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02:58:41 <sar3th> Joji: IRC is the system we communicate through right now
02:59:12 <sar3th> you use the webchat from our webiste, but other people use client applications on their computer, just as me ;)
02:59:26 <JohnTHaller1> Alright, I'm gonna head out guys. CHat with you all later.
02:59:35 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller1: I find that the only way I can get rid of migraines anymore is with one or two Excedrine Migraine Extra Strength pills
02:59:39 <Gizmokid2005> cya JohnTHaller1
03:00:05 <JohnTHaller1> Yeah. I'm not supposed to take excedrin because of the kidney thing.
03:00:20 <Gizmokid2005> figures :( hope it gets better JohnTHaller1, cya
03:00:51 <sar3th> bye JohnTHaller1
03:01:36 <JohnTHaller1> Later all
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03:07:20 <ZachThibeau> Hello there and welcome to the channel, if you need assistance, just ask your question, and WAIT rather than just leaving. Someone will respond as soon as they can.
03:07:42 <Gizmokid2005> bad ZachThibeau
03:07:54 <Gizmokid2005> I'm going to kick you for that spam if you keep it up
03:08:08 <ZachThibeau> h/o I'm trying to fix that
03:08:14 <ZachThibeau> and technically it isn't spam
03:08:27 <ZachThibeau> spam is if I promote something
03:09:03 <Gizmokid2005> unwanted messages are spam ;)
03:10:03 <ZachThibeau> technically then you should be banning MaienM too for his "palogbot automatically rejoined" messages ;)
03:10:21 <Joji> Hey Mr Haller, how do u unhide hidden items in portable aps program?
03:10:33 <sar3th> ZachThibeau: MaienM doesn't spam every single time a person joins :P
03:10:53 <Joji> nvmnvm
03:11:02 <Joji> stupid question again... i can just check the faqs
03:11:06 <Joji> srry X(
03:11:07 <sar3th> Joji: http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#hidingicons
03:11:11 <sar3th> ;)
03:11:11 <Bensawsome> lol its fine
03:11:22 <Bensawsome> we kinda are used to question that are in the faq
03:11:24 <Bensawsome> xD
03:11:33 <ZachThibeau> sar3th: I'm trying to fix that man trust me, I'm setting a conf list where it checks of the user has been on before and if it finds the username then it will ignore that username
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03:26:17 <Joji> Who here created the "portable app" prgram
03:26:21 <Joji> cause who ever created...
03:26:35 <Joji> add a "help" orgeting started guide
03:26:38 <Joji> for newbs
03:26:40 <Joji> like me
03:27:01 <Joji> like u know, a guide after installation?
03:27:16 <Joji> quick guide?
03:27:58 <Joji> whoa... hahaha, my whois server is in germany! XD
03:37:10 <ChrisMorgan> Joji: could you please explain what you're asking about?
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04:15:14 <gluxon> Computator: Are yo computerfreaker? :P
04:15:37 <Joji> oh srry
04:15:38 <Joji> im back
04:15:39 <Computator> no i'm not, sorry :)
04:15:47 <gluxon> :P
04:15:55 <Joji> ughh u know for when u download the app for portable apps program
04:16:05 <Joji> thers not readme or anything?
04:16:26 <Joji> so i thought the developers could atleast put a readme in the file after the installation or something
04:17:10 <gluxon> Joji: There's a help.html in every PortableApp.
04:17:23 <Joji> wat!? man i suck...
04:17:31 <Joji> and i didn't even look carefully
04:17:45 <Joji> shame....... -_-"
04:18:00 <gluxon> And a readme.txt in AppNamePortable\Other\Source :)
04:18:24 <Computator> not always on that last one
04:18:30 <Computator> but there usually is
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04:19:01 <gluxon> There is in every official portable app.
04:19:21 <Computator> oh ok, i didn't see that in the spec
04:20:04 <gluxon> I'm pretty sure the spec doesn't mention it for some reason.
04:20:46 <gluxon> It doesn't talk about what has to be in the Other\Source folder.
04:21:00 <Computator> yeah
04:21:13 <Computator> i thought people just usually had one
04:21:23 <Computator> i didn't know it is a requirement
04:21:44 <gluxon> Not something you should stress.
04:21:45 <Computator> i have seen one or two without one
04:21:50 <Computator> oh ok
04:22:13 <gluxon> readme.txt just talks about how to work the ini file.
04:22:21 <Computator> yeah
04:22:28 <ChrisMorgan> In the fairly near future Other\Source may disappear from the PortableApps.com Format Specification altogether.
04:22:47 <Computator> sounds good to me
04:23:05 <Computator> i'm all for open source but it's a pain to put it in every time
04:23:10 <gluxon> ChrisMorgan: One of these days, I'm going to blow up PAL :P
04:23:16 <ChrisMorgan> This will be due to the PortableApps.com Launcher, of course.
04:23:22 <ChrisMorgan> As gluxon has detected.
04:23:30 <ChrisMorgan> gluxon: I really can't understand your animosity to it.
04:23:53 <ChrisMorgan> Why don't you try it? suggest features? find bugs? /fix/ bugs? That could be helpful.
04:24:23 <Computator> ummm, i'm not getting it, how will PAL affect if you have the source or not?
04:24:44 <OliverK|Mepis> it will be a package you can download elsewhere
04:24:48 <gluxon> Well eXpresso is safe from it, at least :P
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04:25:00 <Computator> ahhh ok
04:25:00 <OliverK|Mepis> the relevant configuration will be included because it has to be :)
04:25:05 <ChrisMorgan> Computator: when you have only one lot of source code for it all, it's much simpler to not need to update it each time and just to download it separately.
04:25:15 <OliverK|Mepis> gluxon, muhahaha
04:25:18 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah
04:25:20 <Computator> btw, i use expresso and really like it
04:25:25 <ChrisMorgan> gluxon: indeed, that's what you think ;-)
04:25:26 <Computator> yeah i agree
04:25:42 <ChrisMorgan> Like the PortableApps.com Installer source code isn't included with things compiled with it
04:25:46 <gluxon> Computator: Sweet, thanks :)
04:25:57 <OliverK|Mepis> that reminds me, I was going to look at tinyresmeter portable :P
04:25:59 <ChrisMorgan> OliverK|Mepis: have you got any good ideas for things we can do in the PortableApps.com Launcher?
04:26:09 <Computator> btw, do you mean the source for all the apps together or each app individually?
04:26:10 <OliverK|Mepis> huh, nope
04:26:16 <OliverK|Mepis> not right now
04:26:38 <ChrisMorgan> Computator: with PAL, each application will have an INI file to configure it, but the actual NSIS source code won't need to be included.
04:27:02 <ChrisMorgan> The INI file clearly needs to be included to make it work, and the PAL binaries, but not the PAL source
04:27:14 <gluxon> ChrisMorgan: Think you could make the AppNamePortable.ini able to handle Relative paths?
04:27:26 <OliverK|Mepis> i doubt it
04:27:30 <Computator> ahhh the nsis code, i thought you meant the app code
04:27:39 <OliverK|Mepis> maybe with some string detection . . .
04:27:40 <gluxon> Not that hard :P
04:27:47 <ChrisMorgan> gluxon: which? You mean the user config bit?
04:27:55 <gluxon> Yeah.
04:28:02 <ChrisMorgan> Sure. I'll be doing that some time soon. It's really only one line to do it anyway.
04:28:03 <Computator> i use c for my launchers but nsis looks cool
04:28:16 <ChrisMorgan> A matter of adding in a line "${ParseLocations} $0" in the right place.
04:28:17 <OliverK|Mepis> C == good :)
04:28:26 <OliverK|Mepis> o relly?
04:28:29 <OliverK|Mepis> really*
04:28:30 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, I'm expecting to rewrite the launcher in C at some point.
04:28:33 <OliverK|Mepis> didnt' know about that
04:28:34 <ChrisMorgan> OliverK|Mepis: really.
04:28:39 <gluxon> C++ = better than C
04:28:43 <OliverK|Mepis> hehe
04:28:47 <ChrisMorgan> gluxon: no
04:28:52 <gluxon> C++ > C
04:28:52 <OliverK|Mepis> NSIS == better then anything else
04:28:55 <OliverK|Mepis> super simples :)
04:29:00 <gluxon> :/
04:29:01 <Joji> I gtg
04:29:04 <Joji> thansk for all the help
04:29:06 <Joji> :D
04:29:07 <ChrisMorgan> C++ is larger, slower and more error-prone than C.
04:29:08 <Joji> biii
04:29:13 <OliverK|Mepis> bye Joji
04:29:15 <ChrisMorgan> And NSIS is /written/ in C
04:29:15 <Joji> bii
04:29:20 <gluxon> NSIS can't do everything :(
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04:29:28 <OliverK|Mepis> ChrisMorgan, to each his own
04:29:37 <ChrisMorgan> NSIS is fairly good for what we do, but at times, there could be advantages in having it all as straight C.
04:29:39 <Computator> i agree but c++ does have some good features
04:29:54 <ChrisMorgan> Particularly speed, small size and little memory usage.
04:29:54 <Computator> i use c unless i need OO
04:29:55 <gluxon> I thought NSIS was in C++ >_<
04:30:03 <Computator> delphi
04:30:06 <ChrisMorgan> Computator: why? Do we need classes/objects?
04:30:06 <Computator> no wait
04:30:10 <Computator> no
04:30:17 <ChrisMorgan> Not Delphi. Not an open source language or anything like that
04:30:23 <ChrisMorgan> gluxon: you could be right
04:30:34 <gluxon> :)
04:30:42 <Computator> i was thinking the PAL is in delphi, not nSIS
04:30:55 <ChrisMorgan> Computator: don't even think about it
04:30:59 <ChrisMorgan> Delphi is evil :-)
04:31:11 <gluxon> :P
04:31:17 <ChrisMorgan> A language where a free, open-source compiler is available is a good thing.
04:31:19 <gluxon> Delphi is evil.
04:31:35 <ChrisMorgan> And C (or even C++) will produce smaller and probably faster executables than Delphi.
04:31:46 <Computator> i don't need OO for portableapps, i was just saying if i had a program that did need OO then i use C++ (which is rare)
04:31:48 <ChrisMorgan> After 1.0 (or if I can squeeze it in, before) the parsing of locations will also be switching to using environment variables to handle everything: so then you'll be able to use arbitrary environment variables too.
04:32:09 <Computator> and he asked what nsis was in and i said delphi
04:32:18 <Computator> i dont know delphi
04:32:21 <ChrisMorgan> NSIS is written in C or C++, can't remember which.
04:32:36 <Computator> but the PAL is in delphi is what i meant :P
04:32:40 <Computator> ahh ok
04:32:50 <gluxon> I can make a better PAL than ChrisMorgan in 3 days :P
04:32:59 <OliverK|Mepis> gluxon, doubt it
04:33:01 <ChrisMorgan> gluxon: you're on. Do it.
04:33:07 <ChrisMorgan> Which three days are you going to choose?
04:33:12 <gluxon> lol P
04:33:19 <OliverK|Mepis> I chose, friday, mondaym and friday :)
04:33:36 <OliverK|Mepis> oh, wait, I already did :p
04:33:36 <ChrisMorgan> Contiguous or an hour or few at a time (and thus using 36 working hours)?
04:33:52 <gluxon> Saturday, Saturday, and lastly, Saturday
04:34:25 <gluxon> 36 working hours :P
04:34:34 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, much more sensible.
04:34:51 <gluxon> On Saturday, I have the whole day :P
04:34:53 <ChrisMorgan> Good luck then. Hand in your code at the end of your time and we'll compare it :-)
04:35:08 <ChrisMorgan> And no stealing my code :-)
04:35:15 <gluxon> lol :P
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04:36:46 <gluxon> I would never take ChrisMorgan's Dirty code :P
04:37:19 <ChrisMorgan> That sounds remarkably to me like a challenge.
04:37:38 <gluxon> Or a fight to the death :P
04:37:40 <ChrisMorgan> Very well gluxon, I challenge you to a (coding) duel. Choose your weapon.
04:37:51 <Computator> lol
04:37:56 <gluxon> I choose NSIS :P
04:38:01 <ChrisMorgan> I choose gVim and NSIS as my weapons.
04:38:24 <ChrisMorgan> And Wine (on Ubuntu) to make sure I don't leave anything out.
04:38:27 <gluxon> EclipseNSIS pwn all :P
04:38:36 <ChrisMorgan> One of these days I should try compiling NSIS for POSIX.
04:38:56 <gluxon> Hm...
04:39:24 <gluxon> I'm going to see if I can do it in AuttoHotKey :P
04:39:35 <gluxon> Naa...
04:40:14 <ZachThibeau> ChrisMorgan: it's very simple to compile nsis on posix :)
04:40:23 <ChrisMorgan> ZachThibeau: I'm too lazy to try it though
04:40:45 * gluxon askes what POSIX is >_<
04:40:46 <ChrisMorgan> Should be just download the cross-compiler and scons and to work.
04:40:58 <ChrisMorgan> gluxon: read your NSIS manual, section "Compiling NSIS"
04:41:30 <ChrisMorgan> ZachThibeau: the thing is, makensis through Wine works just fine.
04:41:45 <gluxon> I'll do that when I'm in Colledge :P
04:42:48 <ChrisMorgan> gluxon: what, learn to spell?
04:43:26 <gluxon> lol :P
04:45:04 <Computator> if you wanted a real long contest do it in assembly :D
04:45:31 <OliverK|Mepis> ouch
04:45:34 <OliverK|Mepis> win!
04:45:40 <Computator> lol
04:45:55 <Computator> do any of you know assembly?
04:46:02 <ChrisMorgan> Computator: I've already got my code though :-)
04:46:08 <Computator> true
04:46:17 <ChrisMorgan> I've done a smidgeon of asm coding.
04:46:28 <ChrisMorgan> A lot of it would actually be very similar to NSIS. Stack work and the likes.
04:46:39 <ChrisMorgan> Working with registers.
04:46:53 <ChrisMorgan> Rather than using proper variables (though in NSIS you tend to do that too)
04:47:17 <Computator> i'm still in high school so all my experience is doing my own thing
04:47:44 <Computator> i tend to write things in assembly if it is a dos program, idk why
04:47:50 <ChrisMorgan> :-/
04:48:05 <ChrisMorgan> Why anyone would /choose/ to work in asm is something I don't understand.
04:48:38 <Computator> me either, and i'm not joking...well actually it is faster, but otherwise idk
04:48:44 <Computator> :P
04:48:45 * ZachThibeau loves C/C++ :D
04:48:55 * Computator agrees
04:49:52 <ZachThibeau> I mostly program with c++ but my latest project is coded in C using the gtk library (my c++ projects with WxWidgets)
04:49:58 * ChrisMorgan hasn't done much C/++ work at all
04:50:23 <Computator> well, igtg so ttyall later
04:50:29 <ZachThibeau> later
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04:55:40 * sar3th is evil, he starts to fall in love with java's syntax :(
04:55:47 <sar3th> i still think java is crap though
04:56:16 <OliverK|Mepis> :0
04:56:19 <OliverK|Mepis> java is the devil
04:56:22 <OliverK|Mepis> I hate jave
04:56:28 <OliverK|Mepis> with a passion that refuses to die
04:56:34 <sar3th> yeah, same here
04:56:42 <sar3th> bad JVM
04:56:48 <sar3th> slow apps
04:56:50 <sar3th> :(
04:57:02 <sar3th> useless stuff
04:57:20 <sar3th> real binaries FTW
04:57:27 <sar3th> bytecode FTL
04:57:28 <OliverK|Mepis> muhahaha
04:57:33 <OliverK|Mepis> or perl ftw
04:57:35 <OliverK|Mepis> hehe
04:57:50 <ChrisMorgan> PERL!?
04:57:54 <sar3th> and ChrisMorgan, you're right, NSIS is kinda assembler, well, a macro-version of it ^^
04:58:02 <ChrisMorgan> Perl is evil. Even more evil than Assembly code.
04:58:11 <sar3th> nah
04:58:16 <sar3th> i thought so too
04:58:21 <sar3th> then i read some perl scripts
04:58:34 <sar3th> easy as ...well, very easy
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05:00:23 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: oh yeah? What do you say to http://99-bottles-of-beer.net/language-perl-737.html then?
05:00:34 <ChrisMorgan> Not at all readable!
05:00:59 <OliverK|Mepis> ChrisMorgan, it is worse then C++
05:01:04 <OliverK|Mepis> and that is part of the charm
05:01:12 <OliverK|Mepis> plus its regex power is
05:01:22 <OliverK|Mepis> staggering
05:01:37 <sar3th> ChrisMorgan: that's a obfuscated script, i can do something alike in NSIS, too
05:01:55 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: not as badly/neatly obfuscated though ;-)
05:02:21 <ChrisMorgan> The one thing I wish NSIS had is a decent regular expression engine.
05:02:41 <ChrisMorgan> BTW, did you know that "regular expression" was added to the Oxford English Dictionary in December?
05:02:53 <OliverK|Mepis> hehe
05:03:23 <sar3th> regex power for the win!!
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05:04:21 <OliverK|Mepis> http://99-bottles-of-beer.net/language-lolcode-1544.html
05:04:22 <OliverK|Mepis> sweet
05:04:46 <OliverK|Mepis> i still want to write a lolcode interpretetor for nsis
05:04:46 * OliverK|Mepis needs more time in his day
05:06:44 * sar3th actually wants to write a true lolcode compiler, as there is none yet
05:08:08 <sar3th> one which produces binaries
05:08:23 <sar3th> though producing java bytecode would be funny as well XD
05:08:27 <ChrisMorgan> You're all crazy.
05:08:34 <ChrisMorgan> Uh oh, looks like I understated it.
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05:13:44 <ChrisMorgan> Think at some point I'll turn [FileDriveLetterUpdate] with (Back|Forward)slashN=%DATADIRECTORY%\etc. into [FileReplaceN] sections with values like File=, Search=%LastDrive%\, Replace=%CurrentDrive%\
05:14:44 <sar3th> sounds like a good change
05:15:30 <ChrisMorgan> And then you'll be able to change other things too.
05:15:34 <OliverK|Mepis> night all
05:15:39 <ChrisMorgan> AND, most of all, you'll be able to handle things like with Mozilla apps:
05:15:55 <sar3th> night OliverK|Mepis
05:15:56 <ChrisMorgan> Search=file:///%LastDrive%/
05:15:56 <ChrisMorgan> Replace=file:///%CurrentDrive%/
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05:16:39 <ChrisMorgan> I imagine most environment variables will be prefixed with PAL. Maybe file:///%PAL:LastDrive%/
05:17:10 <ChrisMorgan> I had been going to do things like PortableApps.comLauncherLastDrive but that's just too long and messy... and typo-prone.
05:17:44 <ChrisMorgan> If we can avoid people needing to go on about PortbaleApps.comLauncher, so much the better.
05:17:58 <ChrisMorgan> Nice storm we're having here just now :-)
05:18:07 <ChrisMorgan> Lots of rain, lots of lightning.
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05:19:13 <ChrisMorgan> Ooh, I was processing FileDriveLetterUpdate on secondary launches too. What a bad idea.
05:23:10 * ChrisMorgan wonders if the power will go off at all. Lots of lightning, some coming fairly close
05:23:30 <ChrisMorgan> And very loud shake-causing lightning too :-)
05:26:51 <ChrisMorgan> I think I'll need to expand (Last|Current)Drive to (Last|Current)(App|Data)?Drive for all possible Live mode replacements.
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05:28:50 <ChrisMorgan> Guest22752: can we help you with anything?
05:34:38 <Guest22752> oh sure, thanks!i just heard about portableapps, from #theora as i was asking about setting up a cd with theora video contents, along with some software , to make it easier for the m$ windows user's side..
05:35:45 <Guest22752> i was reading http://portableapps.com/support/vlc_portable#cd and couldn't figure out whether i can make it without working on a windows copy myself(As i don't have any with me)
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05:38:30 <Guest22752> :) nice bot:)
05:38:53 <Guest22752> ChrisMorgan: hai :)
05:38:58 <ChrisMorgan> Hello
05:39:23 <ChrisMorgan> Sorry, our router died temporarily from a power blip as we're in the middle of a thunderstorm :-)
05:39:48 <Guest22752> uh!:) here it goes off for a breeze:)
05:40:01 <ChrisMorgan> Guest22752: you'll need to extract it somehow.
05:40:16 <Guest22752> i see..
05:40:21 <ChrisMorgan> That probably means either Wine or Windows.
05:40:57 <Guest22752> ookay.. /me goes for having some wine :)
05:41:05 <sar3th> 7z can extract our PAFs i think
05:41:19 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: getting the directory structure right is pretty bad though
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05:41:24 <ChrisMorgan> Hence I don't recommend it at all
05:41:45 <ChrisMorgan> Then you should run it at least once, and when you're happy it's set up how you want it, copy Other\Source\VLCPortable.ini next to VLCPortable.exe and change the RunLocally value to true.
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05:42:26 <ChrisMorgan> I think that VLC needs the INI step to do it silently (otherwise it'll ask about whether it should copy it locally or quit).
05:42:45 <shyam> hmmm.. any change if i include firefox 3.6 instead?
05:43:08 <ChrisMorgan> shyam: if you're distributing Firefox, due to trademark restrictions you can't include any data.
05:43:35 <shyam> well, i was thinking of icecat though!:)
05:43:43 <ChrisMorgan> If you liked, you could include an unbranded version of Firefox - like Zach's IceCat Portable.
05:43:50 <ChrisMorgan> Yep. Quite so.
05:43:52 <shyam> oh then we don't have Portable app .. ok..
05:44:09 <ChrisMorgan> (It's not an official application though)
05:44:58 <shyam> oh great icecat really is there!
05:45:05 <shyam> sorry for that!:)
05:46:00 <shyam> btw.. doesn't firefox also require this install atleast once requirement ?
05:46:28 <shyam> uh i should compete in some grammar competition
05:46:39 <ChrisMorgan> Yes, all applications should be run at least once before running from CD to initialise settings.
05:46:52 <ChrisMorgan> And so you can't really do Firefox for distribution at all.
05:47:13 <shyam> :(
05:47:59 <ChrisMorgan> But IceCat you can.
05:48:20 * shyam is already annoyed by the mozilla plugin site, pushing you to getfirefox.com even if you use it from icecat!
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05:55:07 <ChrisMorgan> Hey!? TortoiseHg now has Nautilus integration..?
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06:10:32 <shyam> okay so i have IceCatPortable directory with the portable icecat installed in it.. wine ~/path/to/install-dir/IceCatPortable.exe reported so many missing dll files..
06:11:19 <shyam> i just installed wine to test icecat.. may be i am missing some supporting libraries..
06:11:23 * shyam pasting the output.
06:13:54 <ChrisMorgan> Does it work though?
06:14:04 <shyam> http://pastebin.com/m189e2462
06:14:08 <shyam> no..
06:14:50 <shyam> btw iirc, there was something screwed up with icecat too..
06:15:12 * shyam also downloading vlc portable
06:15:15 <ChrisMorgan> Oh, and you should run it in the directory (not drive) where it's going to end up - so if you want to burn it to a CD as E:\IceCatPortable, make it so that in Wine it will be in X:\IceCatPortable rather than Z:\home\shyam\path\to\install-dir
06:15:49 <ChrisMorgan> Argh! ZachThibeau: you should look at this.
06:16:11 <ChrisMorgan> fixme:actctx:parse_depend_manifests Could not find dependent assembly L"Microsoft.VC90.CRT" (9.0.21022.8)
06:16:43 <ChrisMorgan> MSVCR90. A side-by-side assembly. ZachThibeau: have you got the manifest file set up properly?
06:17:18 <ChrisMorgan> Or more importantly, err:module:import_dll Library MSVCR90.dll (which is needed by L"Z:\\home\\shyam\\hindi-seminar\\iso\\IceCatPortable\\App\\IceCat\\nspr4.dll") not found
06:18:24 <ChrisMorgan> Possibly not Zach's fault though. It goes listing the whole tree of things there and complaining about all of them...
06:18:29 <ChrisMorgan> shyam: wine --version?
06:18:42 <shyam> there was something messy with 3.6 release too http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnuzilla/2010-02/threads.html
06:18:58 <shyam> wine-1.1.28
06:19:19 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm, not too bad. I myself have 1.1.37 - the dev build
06:19:37 <ChrisMorgan> So it's probably a problem with the IceCat build
06:19:46 <shyam> sure.. it can be..
06:19:59 <ChrisMorgan> It may be common for Windows to have MSVCR90 already installed, but it won't be for Wine users :-)
06:20:12 * ChrisMorgan is too lazy to download and test it himself though
06:20:30 <shyam> no problem i'll try vlc too..
06:20:43 <ChrisMorgan> VLC should work in Wine.
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06:21:26 <ChrisMorgan> It having stopped raining for a while, I should go and feed those dogs before tea time. Bye for now, hopefully others can help you if you need any help.
06:23:01 <shyam> sure, happy tea time!:) and thanks for the help:)
06:28:12 <shyam> ops i didn't get what you said about setting up the path.. i only have two partitions listed on "My Computer" on wine's "Browse for folder" which is C: and Z: where z: is debian's root... should it display the cdrom too as a partition? or should i refer it to /media/cdrom0/ ? :)
06:28:36 <shyam> okay the last one seems dumb though:)
06:29:54 <shyam> or should i go for C:\VLCPortable?
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06:39:51 * shyam just installed VLC in C:\VLCPortable and it worked in wine,
06:40:07 <shyam> though its not displaying any text, and no sound is played.. anyway it worked, hope it works on a windows machine.. so should i just copy that VLCPortable directory to cd and burn it?
06:52:09 <ChrisMorgan> It's probably fine.
06:52:56 <ChrisMorgan> Next time you want a new drive letter, in your Applications menu or whatever Debian has there should be Wine -> Configure Wine
06:56:12 <shyam> great! it shows the video when playing under wine.. and takes playlists too.. hmm so i have the following autorun.inf which i got from some forum... i can't see a VLCPortable.com file there, shouldn't i rename s/com/exe/ ?
06:56:25 <shyam> [Autorun]nOpen=VLCPortable\VLCPortable.exe Playlist.m3unAction=VLCPortable\VLCPortable.comnIcon=VLCPortable\VLCPortable.exenLabel=TV-Recordings
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06:58:13 <ChrisMorgan> If it's just VLC you want to run, then that should be OK (Action is the display text)
06:58:38 <shyam> ohh ok..
06:58:42 <ChrisMorgan> So you might want to have Action=Play audio files
06:59:10 <ChrisMorgan> And put in your own icon - e.g. a Hindi character or something like that, you can use IcoFX to make it if you haven't got one
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07:01:36 <ChrisMorgan> If you want more than one "action" to appear in the context menu when people right click on the drive icon, you can do that too. Shell\1=Name, Shell\1\Command=cutable.exe, etc.
07:03:31 * shyam is afraid to have unicode chars on cd:)
07:04:02 <shyam> well haven't tried it.. thats all.. and saw some warning..
07:06:21 <ChrisMorgan> For the icon, it's an ico file you produce, a bitmap: not Unicode data
07:07:14 <ChrisMorgan> Now it's tea time. Namaste!
07:07:24 <shyam> namaste.. :)
07:07:30 * shyam goes for burning the cd:)
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09:38:22 <ChrisMorgan> Ah. I'm finally ready to compile it again. I bet something will not work.
09:39:02 <ChrisMorgan> *phew* I would have been worried if it had compiled first time.
09:39:59 <ChrisMorgan> I was missing a line !define SegmentFile "!insertmacro SegmentFile". Far too minor. Something else is now going to go wrong.
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10:06:29 <ChrisMorgan> :O
10:06:32 <ChrisMorgan> :-O
10:06:39 <ChrisMorgan> =-O
10:07:20 <ChrisMorgan> It compiles!
10:07:38 <ChrisMorgan> AND... (hastily fixes one line) with no warnings!
10:11:12 <ChrisMorgan> So there, now the PortableApps.com Launcher (well, my repository anyway) works with segments; each segment has a number of hooks it can operate on. (.on)?Init|Unload|(Pre(Exec)?|Post)(Primary|Secondary)?
10:24:01 <ChrisMorgan> Really quite remarkable that it took so few, minor, fixes...
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10:56:00 <ChrisMorgan> I'd like it if someone would like to test my release-memory-while-waiting EmptyWorkingSet implementation I just committed in PAL.
10:56:23 <ChrisMorgan> I think it should be using under 1MB of memory (I'm hoping 100-200KB) instead of the usual 5-10MB
11:01:39 <ChrisMorgan> Well, that's all for today, folks. And tomorrow I really must (ha ha, as if I'll manage it :P) work on my own project... I've been letting the PortableApps.com Launcher take over too much :'( :-( :-) O:-)
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11:13:19 <pa_7741> hi
11:13:25 <pa_7741> I get the following error;
11:13:26 <pa_7741> Processed 1 file, writing output: Adding plug-ins initializing function... Done! Error: resolving install function "Nsis2Io" in function "mui.FinishPre_151.5.9" Note: uninstall functions must begin with "un.", and install functions must not Error - aborting creation process
11:13:57 <pa_7741> How do I fix it, I can't find either "Nsis2Io" nor "mui.FinishPre_151.5.9" in any of the files...
11:19:42 <Oni-Neoxes> huh... sounds like a bad install
11:20:32 <Oni-Neoxes> Did you try a reinstall?
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15:52:11 <pa_0048> I download and install the Standard version and when if opens, no applications appear? Ideas?
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16:03:11 <pa_5529> hello
16:03:39 <pa_5529> does somebody know how to delet a app??
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19:21:40 <pa_3178> Hey, folks
19:22:02 <pa_3178> .. hmm...
19:22:08 <pa_3178> ... connected, here?
19:22:11 <Computator> hi
19:22:14 <pa_3178> .. or, rather, anyone alive?
19:22:18 <pa_3178> .. Ahh, there we go...
19:22:51 <pa_3178> I've got a bogus app listing in my app menu... have tried icon refresh... still there.
19:23:03 <Computator> people usually take longer to answer btw ;)
19:23:12 <Computator> what do you mean "bogus app"
19:23:14 <pa_3178> Anyone tell me how to clean it out?
19:23:40 <pa_3178> Notepad application... the menu item is wrong... not there.
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19:24:32 <Computator> well, look in the \PortableApps directory and see if it is there
19:24:42 <pa_3178> .. looked... not there..
19:24:58 <Bensawsome> one sec pa_
19:25:03 <Bensawsome> one sec pa_3178
19:25:08 <Computator> hmmm...
19:25:19 <Bensawsome> you should be able to hide it
19:25:25 <Bensawsome> also whats the name of that item?
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19:26:21 <pa_3178> It's looking for pspad
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19:26:36 <Bensawsome> hmmm
19:26:44 <Bensawsome> well either way you can hide it
19:26:46 <pa_3178> .. dropped pspad portable into my apps.
19:26:51 <Bensawsome> here ya go http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#hidingicons
19:27:22 <pa_3178> There's not a utility or switch option, somehow, to remove a menu item?
19:27:30 <Bensawsome> ri9ght there
19:28:45 <pa_3178> Right-click to access "hide icon" gives me "rename menu item".
19:29:08 <Computator> ohhh, you have a old version of the PAL
19:29:09 <Bensawsome> oh shoot
19:29:11 <Bensawsome> lol
19:29:19 <Computator> rename it to -
19:29:19 <Bensawsome> get v1.6 from the site
19:29:25 <Computator> ir do that :)
19:29:26 <Bensawsome> opr do what Computator said
19:29:27 <Bensawsome> lol
19:29:27 <pa_3178> yeah... think I'll move up...
19:29:48 <pa_3178> back things up, that I need.... and go fresh... thanks.
19:29:58 <Computator> yw
19:30:12 <Bensawsome> pa_3178 you dont have to delete everything
19:30:17 <Bensawsome> just download v1.6
19:30:22 <Bensawsome> then install it over the current one
19:31:13 <pa_3178> I'm going to install Roho Mini and install into that encrypted container... was just curious about this problem.
19:33:44 <pa_3178> .. again, thanks.
19:36:53 <pa_3178> BTW, just tried the rename to "-" suggested by Computator, above.... that fixed it.... it's gone.
19:37:12 <pa_3178> thnks
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19:44:38 <Bensawsome> ...?
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19:52:34 <Gizmokid2005> hello SteveLamerton
19:52:57 <SteveLamerton> Hi Gizmokid2005, ZachThibeau, all
19:53:03 <ZachThibeau> howdy SteveLamerton
19:53:41 <SteveLamerton> Finally had some time to spend on Toucan :D
19:54:09 <ZachThibeau> nice
19:54:23 <ZachThibeau> I'm working on some small stuff on PChat
19:54:55 <ZachThibeau> Ben is learning C and wanted in on the project so hopefully he can contribute some stuff to help the development :)
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20:01:28 <Gizmokid2005> hello JohnTHaller
20:02:00 <JohnTHaller> hi
20:02:02 <JohnTHaller> how goes it?
20:02:06 <ZachThibeau> hi JohnTHaller
20:02:18 <Gizmokid2005> I had to pull a drive out of an ANCIENT Windows 3.1 box today
20:02:22 <Gizmokid2005> so...interesting to say the least
20:02:24 <JohnTHaller> yikes
20:02:46 <ZachThibeau> I remember pulling a 25 meg hard drive before from a pretty old computer
20:03:05 <Computator> i still have the 3.1 cd
20:03:34 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, had a guy bring me his pc because it stopped booting (Mobo failed) so he needed me to install quickbooks V3 for him...which the ONLY place to get the License key (Customer number) was this old Win3.1 box...so I had to boot into it...and he wanted the old quickboobks files off it too, since the Floppy didn't work, no USB ports, I had to pull the drive out to get the data files
20:03:37 <Gizmokid2005> it was quite interesting...
20:04:06 <ZachThibeau> I remember those days of 3.1
20:04:07 <ZachThibeau> :)
20:04:13 <JohnTHaller> ah memories
20:04:46 <Computator> me too :)
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20:05:18 <markomlm> hop
20:05:30 <JohnTHaller> hi markomlm
20:05:36 <JohnTHaller> thanks for popping in. or hoppinh in
20:05:49 <markomlm> :-)
20:05:55 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, it was something else
20:05:58 <Gizmokid2005> hello markomlm :)
20:06:14 <markomlm> hello @all
20:06:32 <JohnTHaller> markomlm: Do you have a guess on OO.o 3.2? You said you had the new oobuild env. Do you have the time to actually do the build?
20:06:45 <JohnTHaller> I ask because I'm debating holding 1.6.1 of platform/suite for it.
20:07:00 <JohnTHaller> (since the platform gets a bump, I gotta bump the suite anyway)
20:07:20 <JohnTHaller> Otherwise, I'll have to bump it again for OO.o 3.2 and do a 1.6.1.1 Suite
20:08:53 <ZachThibeau> Well JohnTHaller, so far PChat seems pretty stable, no serious issues reported so far, What do you suggest next?
20:09:08 <JohnTHaller> Is it a pre-release or a dev test atm?
20:09:13 <JohnTHaller> Do we have an icon for it?
20:09:14 <ZachThibeau> dev test atm
20:09:21 <ZachThibeau> and yes I have an Icon for it
20:09:33 <JohnTHaller> Let's go PR then. LInk me to the icon and I'll do a splash for it in a bit
20:09:51 <ZachThibeau> sure thing then
20:10:32 <ZachThibeau> JohnTHaller: http://pchat-irc.com/PChat.png
20:10:43 <JohnTHaller> 404
20:10:45 <ZachThibeau> oops error 404
20:11:08 <ZachThibeau> seems wordpress doesn't like me today
20:12:20 <ZachThibeau> JohnTHaller: http://i45.tinypic.com/15eefj9.png
20:13:27 <JohnTHaller> Cool. Want the word PChat in any specific colors? Play it off the colors in the logo?
20:14:00 <markomlm> I was packed with qa work for the German release of OpenOffice.org Portable. I can send You the new environment if You'll be able to do the job quicket than me ;-)
20:14:01 <ZachThibeau> ahh, hmmm
20:14:28 <JohnTHaller> markomlm: when do you think you'd have it done if you're doing it?
20:14:44 <ZachThibeau> yeah maybe play a little off of the colors of the logo
20:15:48 <markomlm> I believe we do not want to tell any date ;-) ?
20:18:36 <markomlm> JohnTHaller:with a little bit luck untill next friday (perhaps wednesday)
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20:19:24 <JohnTHaller> Ah ok
20:19:37 <JohnTHaller> COuld you send me the build env then. I'll probably do it this weekend, then.
20:19:50 <markomlm> Great!
20:19:57 <ZachThibeau> howdy qwertymodo
20:20:17 <JohnTHaller> any major changes from the old build env? I had tweaked it to fit my setup and use relative paths to a few things.
20:20:20 <qwertymodo> hey ZachThibeau
20:20:44 <JohnTHaller> ZachThibeau: Ok, I'll do a splash later and post it to the pchat testing topic doing a play on the colors.
20:21:14 <ZachThibeau> sure thing
20:22:40 <JohnTHaller> markomlm: Please send me the current build env via email along with info on what's changed. I'll work on it as I have time. I need to take a screen break for now though. Still have a bit of a 24hour migraine.
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20:25:01 <markomlm> OK. JohnTHaller|away
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23:26:01 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is awsome and is currently working on a super cool media player called musicplay3000 aka mp3k
23:26:03 <ZachThibeau> o_o
23:45:06 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller|away: I'm thinking of doing an Alpha 3 release of the PortableApps.com Launcher now as I've made a number of fixes since Alpha 2 and also reorganised the whole source structure
23:46:07 <ChrisMorgan> When are you planning on working your improvements into the launcher? Are they the sorts of things you could just send to me for me to integrate?
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23:54:57 <pa_9039> hello?
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