IRC Log from 2010-02-22
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00:14:01 <JacobMastel> Hey TimClark
00:14:47 <TimClark> hello JacobMastel
00:15:02 <JacobMastel> How's it going long time no see
00:15:17 <TimClark> fine and you
00:15:56 <JacobMastel> Well, life's finally slown down
00:17:56 <TimClark> About to delete my comment as you have updated the Topic with what seems to answer my question, or were there other issues JacobMastel ?
00:19:00 <JacobMastel> That's all that I'm aware of
00:19:11 <TimClark> comment deleted
00:19:52 <JacobMastel> k.
00:20:29 <TimClark> Is this a simpler form of PNotes JacobMastel ?
00:21:13 <JacobMastel> They're ment to do basically the same thing...but they're done in totally different ways.
00:21:21 <TimClark> Don't let them drive you crazy with requests the way they did with PNotes :P
00:21:45 <TimClark> Good Luck
00:21:49 <JacobMastel> Thanks
00:21:58 <JacobMastel> I'm not the developer of the main app though.
00:22:04 <JacobMastel> I'm just doing the launcher
00:22:19 <TimClark> I know, but you KNOW how folks can be
00:22:26 <JacobMastel> Yeah that's true :P
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00:23:39 <JacobMastel> We'll see if there's any real interest in it. There seemed to be a while ago when I made the first launcher for 6.2
00:28:14 <TimClark> obviously this would need to be looked out for JacobMastel "Once on screen, stickies will remain where placed until closed, even through reboots"
00:28:33 <TimClark> but i'm sure your already working on that :D
00:31:51 <JacobMastel> Wait what?
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00:33:34 <TimClark> i got that from the home site of the app
00:33:57 <JacobMastel> Sticky's will remain there until the app exits. I believe what that refers to is the fact that by default stickies starts with the system. And when the app starts it remembers where all of your notes were.
00:34:25 <JacobMastel> When you exit the app they go away. They only return when restart the app
00:35:16 <TimClark> anyone here using *nix or a mac or half a really secure pc w/ good malware protection ?
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00:35:37 <sar3th> windows xp x86 with avira at your service TimClark
00:35:49 <TimClark> going to pm
00:36:15 <sar3th> sure
00:36:17 <Computator> awww, i was wondering why :)
00:37:22 <TimClark> i am asking him to test a potentially dangerous link
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00:40:41 <Computator> oh ok
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00:54:50 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com developer and moderator and works on the PortableApps.com Launcher (please test it!)
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01:03:15 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: is there any reason why an Audacity 1.3 installer couldn't move settings around into the new 1.3 "portable" format? I would have imagined it was just a path..?
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01:03:24 <TheHopelessOtaku> hi
01:03:26 <TheHopelessOtaku> question
01:03:43 <TheHopelessOtaku> help!
01:03:43 <GizmoBot> TheHopelessOtaku: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
01:04:26 <ChrisMorgan> TheHopelessOtaku: please ask your question - then we may be able to help
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01:07:28 <TheHopelessOtaku> how can people who are connecting to the same access point as me see my xampp server
01:07:40 <TheHopelessOtaku> ?
01:07:55 <ChrisMorgan> TheHopelessOtaku: they'll need the computer's name or IP address
01:08:23 <TheHopelessOtaku> ok so if they my computer's name how could they connecet
01:08:49 <ChrisMorgan> The link they will need will be something like http://computername/ (or if you're not using port 80, http://computername:8000 where 8000 is the port you are using)
01:09:14 <TheHopelessOtaku> thank you!
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01:09:33 <ChrisMorgan> (computername can also be an IP address - locally you can also use either http://localhost/ or http://127.0.0.1/ which are "loopback" interfaces)
01:09:56 <TheHopelessOtaku> that doesnt work for my brother
01:10:01 <TheHopelessOtaku> when he goes to lacalhost
01:10:21 <TheHopelessOtaku> but then again im using ethernet and hes using wi-fi
01:10:43 <ChrisMorgan> That's because "localhost" means the current machine
01:10:52 <TheHopelessOtaku> thanks
01:10:55 <ChrisMorgan> So he'd by trying to go to /his/ computer rather than yours by that
01:11:04 <TheHopelessOtaku> maybe i should learn some TCP/IP
01:11:43 <TheHopelessOtaku> alright you have been a big help
01:12:01 <ChrisMorgan> You're welcome :-)
01:12:17 <TheHopelessOtaku> hey i know enough to ge by
01:12:26 <TheHopelessOtaku> and ive already helpede a few people
01:12:36 <TheHopelessOtaku> so can i help you with support?
01:12:57 * TheHopelessOtaku would really like to
01:13:59 <ChrisMorgan> TheHopelessOtaku: if you wish to stick around in here at any time you're welcome to; if anyone comes in and you think you can answer their question, feel free to
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01:30:16 * ChrisMorgan votes that the forum guidelines be renamed as rules - guidelines must not necessarily be mandatory but rules are
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01:48:30 <JacobMastel> Argh my fingers are too cold to type... :P
01:49:51 <ChrisMorgan> Interesting problem; can't say I've ever had it.
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02:33:38 <ChrisMorgan> Really quite interesting... I start writing documentation for the PortableApps.com Launcher and it really ends up being more general "making portable applications" documentation, all the way through from details of the PortableApps.com Format and release naming schemes to fine points concerning the use of the launcher.
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03:20:43 <ChrisMorgan> Hello, davidlg! Can we help you with anything?
03:21:47 <davidlg> Hi, I found (possibly) a virus on an app i downloaded from portableapps.com
03:22:09 <davidlg> Originally i found it on this file: "Xenon_File_Manager_Portable_1.5.paf.exe"
03:22:29 <ChrisMorgan> davidlg: that's a false positive.
03:23:01 <davidlg> I'm not sure if that came from portableapps.com, so I redownloaded the "XenonPortable_1.5.0.1.paf.exe"...It also showed a virus on virustotal.com
03:23:18 <davidlg> Oh, false positive? Ok. Are you sure? :)
03:23:26 <ChrisMorgan> Wait, where was it from then?
03:23:32 <ChrisMorgan> And how many on virustotal.com?
03:24:43 <davidlg> The first one, I downloaded a while ago, and virustotal.com found 3. I thought I downloaded it from portableapps.com
03:24:47 <ChrisMorgan> Xenon is written in AutoIt, a language which is often used by virus makers, and which has quite a recognisable executable structure (the AutoIt runtime first, then tacked on the end the actual program code), and so virus scanners often flag all AutoIt products as malware, which is (a) bad and (b) a nuisance
03:24:54 <ChrisMorgan> Yes, that was an official release from us.
03:25:16 <ChrisMorgan> 3 is not surprising with an AutoIt executable.
03:25:21 <davidlg> Ahh, ok.
03:25:39 <davidlg> So, my little heart attack is over...
03:25:42 <davidlg> :)
03:25:44 <ChrisMorgan> Good :-)
03:26:13 <davidlg> Thanks for your help. Now i don't have to format my HD and try and start from scratch! :)
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03:26:25 <ChrisMorgan> You're welcome :-)
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04:54:56 <rcmaehl_dsi> chazz, pm me plz
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11:15:12 <pa_9636> Can portable apps be run from a CD or does it have to be a USB drive?
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13:37:16 <FND> hi - are there any precedents for packaging Python applications as PortableApps?
13:37:44 <FND> I already have a bunch of scripts to set up our app with Portable Python, but I'm not sure whether that's the desired solution
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18:29:38 <ZachThibeau> ChrisMorgan or MaienM can one of you guys confirm sourceforges download system are running or not?
18:30:04 <MaienM> ZachThibeau: dp ypu have a link for me to test?
18:30:29 <ZachThibeau> sure
18:30:31 <ZachThibeau> 1 moment
18:30:56 <ZachThibeau> http://downloads.sourceforge.net/portableapps/NSISPortable_2.46_English.paf.exe?redirect_do_not_right_click
18:32:09 <ZachThibeau> I get a connection reset with any downloads from sourceforge download system but viewing projects etc it's fine :/
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18:33:26 <ZachThibeau> if this is happening to you guys too this should be mention on the forums possibly
18:33:41 <ZachThibeau> if it isn't happening to you guys then it's probably my computer
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18:42:56 <MaienM> not working for me either
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18:46:12 <GizmoBot> ...
18:47:47 <kai_62656> I cant download anything from sourceforge
18:50:28 <ZachThibeau> ok it's an sf issue then
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19:05:50 <markomlm> hello @all, could someone pls verify that sourceforge services are down?
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19:05:57 <markomlm> http://downloads.sourceforge.net/portableapps/PortableApps.com_Music_Production_Suite_Setup_1.6.1_Beta_1_English.exe
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19:06:12 <markomlm> for example :-(
19:06:15 <pa_0947> anybody else having problems getting to the download page?
19:06:24 <markomlm> yap
19:07:02 <markomlm> sf services seems to be down
19:07:19 <pa_0947> yeah, i just tried downloads.sourceforge.net
19:07:25 <pa_0947> no response from server
19:07:37 <pa_0947> oh well, suppose i'll try again later
19:07:41 <markomlm> no way here too :-(
19:07:53 <markomlm> good luck!
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19:11:08 <kai_62656> yea cant connect too
19:12:50 <dbdii407> Okay. We cannot connect. That's been the conversation for the past 3 pages.
19:12:54 <dbdii407> We get it.
19:16:37 <FND> are there any precedents for packaging Python applications as PortableApps? [repost from earlier in the day]
19:20:40 *** Gizmokid2005 changed the topic to: "Welcome to the PortableApps.com support channel. Visit us at http://portableapps.com/ | If you need assistance, just say "help!", or ask your question, and WAIT rather than just leaving. Please don't PM without asking first | This channel is logged: http://nascent-project.org/irc/logs | SourceForge Downloads are currently not working."
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19:28:58 <pa_0362> woo! sourceforge is back up!
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19:42:17 <MaienM> FND: not that I'm aware of, no... however like with Java Portable I would say you make it depend on Python Portable being there. I am not familiar with the exact procedure/methods used with Java apps though, but some of the other developers might be.
19:45:24 <FND> MaienM: what's the best way to get general consensus on this? (FWIW, I'm a Linux guy, but figured getting stuff to work for Windows folks might be easy)
19:46:04 <Gizmokid2005> FND: I think the big problem is there's really no portable python
19:46:19 <MaienM> I'm not sure, I'd say the best would be to ask JTH as he is the one making the decisions in the end and he might have more ideas (FYI I am a linux guy too)
19:46:21 <FND> Gizmokid2005: http://portablepython.com/
19:46:30 <Gizmokid2005> and nobody can really seem to agree on a solid package to portabilize, they all have their own little quirks
19:46:53 <Gizmokid2005> Hmmm, good link FND, maybe I'll take a look at it sometime
19:47:19 <MaienM> FND: That is not an official version (as in, officially released/supported by us)
19:47:37 <FND> Gizmokid2005 / MaienM: that's pretty much the first thing I'd come across - based on that, I did this: http://tiddlyweb.peermore.com/wiki/recipes/docs/tiddlers/Installing%20on%20Windows
19:48:01 <MaienM> although I do recall something about the author of an portable python version posting in the forums about this a while ago
19:48:26 <Gizmokid2005> FND: that's a good how-to. and should work fairly well
19:48:34 <Gizmokid2005> I'll see about talking to john and see what his take is
19:48:44 <Gizmokid2005> if this is something we should do in \CommonFiles\ like java or have standalone
19:48:56 <Gizmokid2005> but best thing I can suggest FND, is post in the forums
19:49:00 <Gizmokid2005> and see what you can come up with.
19:49:01 <FND> Gizmokid2005: thanks - but it's not the one-click experience PortableApps offer (I did make an effort to use the directory structure)
19:49:19 <FND> Gizmokid2005: I'll do that, thanks (might take a few days 'til I get around to it though)
19:49:33 <Gizmokid2005> FND: right, and I don't think running any python apps will be quite /that/ easy
19:49:41 <Gizmokid2005> possibly some env vars to tinker with etc
19:49:53 <Gizmokid2005> Yeah, i'd say just check with the forums, definitely worth it.
19:50:58 <FND> being a bit cheeky here, is there any chance people will volunteer to help with the packaging? 'cause every time I fire up a Windows VM, I die a little inside
19:51:25 <Gizmokid2005> FND: I'm sure if you wanted to offer help someone would be willing. Depending, I could probably do it too
19:51:27 <FND> as in, if I provide the basics like those instructions and scripts, the rest should be easy for those familiar with PortableApps?
19:51:35 <Gizmokid2005> if wie get a solid consensus on how its handled, I'd be willing to do it.
19:51:58 <MaienM> I feel your pain FND.... however, it IS possible to cross-compile NSIS on linux (I've done it before)
19:52:02 <FND> awesome, thanks - I've added that forum post to my to-do list, will try to get it done ASAP
19:52:18 <FND> MaienM: well, yeah, but why would you... ;)
19:52:49 <MaienM> so you don't need windows to compile launchers :P
19:53:10 <MaienM> unfortunately, for real testing wine isn't going to cut it
19:56:55 <FND> yeah, it's just that from the "pure" Linux perspective, there's not really a need for something like NSIS
19:57:20 <FND> so I'm not very enthusiastic about learning it
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20:01:06 <MaienM> well, its lightweight and small, and thus ideal for launchers ;)
20:01:23 <MaienM> its not the most pretty language I've even seen though, thats for sure :P
20:01:33 <FND> hehe
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20:04:45 <SteveLamerton> Hello all
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20:28:44 <FND> Gizmokid2005 / MaienM: I figured I shouldn't procrastinate, so I hope http://portableapps.com/node/22708 gets the point across
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20:29:28 <Gizmokid2005> Looks good FND
20:30:04 * FND checks this item off his list, for now
20:35:20 <Gizmokid2005> :)
20:35:27 <Gizmokid2005> make sure to subscribe to it so you know when people reply ;)
20:35:36 <Gizmokid2005> (I'm one of those "email everything to me" kinda people)
20:36:00 <FND> ah, yes, so am I - I had assumed that happened automatically
20:36:03 <FND> thanks for the reminder
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20:36:47 <Gizmokid2005> Yeah, I get ~40 emails just overnight. And not yet, not sure if John was planning on making that a user preference or not, but it's not automatic.
20:38:11 <FND> no big deal, as long as I'm aware of it now
20:43:49 <MaienM> yeah, you can set it up to do so automatically, but that option is off by default
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20:44:41 <GizmoBot> Bensawsome is from the PortableApps.com forums, likes waffles VERY MUCH, and has a site at http://www.bensawsome.com . He also maintains StatBot and the IRCStats pages @ http://www.ircstats.info
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