IRC Log from 2010-02-25

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00:51:22 <Horusofoz> Hey All :)
00:51:56 <ChrisMorgan> Hey Jeff
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01:04:28 <Chazz> 'ello Horusofoz :D
01:04:37
01:04:52 <rcmaehl> oh not me.
01:05:00 <Chazz> ...
01:05:09 <Horusofoz> Hey Chazz
01:05:16 <Chazz> How goes it Horusofoz?
01:05:28 <ZachThibeau> howdy Horusofoz
01:05:34 <Chazz> rcmaehl: how the heck do you read "Horusofoz" as "rcmaehl"? O.o
01:05:57 <rcmaehl> I didn't, it's just you said it like right after I came it
01:06:01 <rcmaehl> in*
01:06:21 <Chazz> k then... lol
01:07:30 <sar3th> lol
01:10:10 <Horusofoz> Things are ok. At college *yawn*
01:10:12 <Horusofoz> At your end
01:10:40 <rcmaehl> good
01:10:41 <rcmaehl> ish
01:21:09 * ChrisMorgan starts at University on Monday
01:27:13 <Bensawsome> cool
01:27:18 <Bensawsome> lol
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01:32:21 <ChrisMorgan> Hey solanus, haven't seen you in here before that I can think of
01:32:56 <solanus> I don't usually have the time, but at the moment I'm procrastinating
01:33:15 <ChrisMorgan> Uh oh.
01:33:34 <ChrisMorgan> I think scriptdaemon is trying to make me feel guilty with http://portableapps.com/node/17297#comment-143325
01:34:06 <solanus> Yeah, hole in the roof, snow coming at midnight, yadayada.
01:34:41 <ChrisMorgan> The trouble is that (a) the UAC plug-in documentation of return values is poor (only code examples), and (b) I can't test it properly in Wine
01:35:28 <solanus> LOL - scriptdaemon. It's what you get for making something as useful as the Launcher, now everyone's impatient for it to be perfect.
01:35:34 <ChrisMorgan> :-)
01:35:55 <ChrisMorgan> I did say it wasn't tested.
01:37:08 <ChrisMorgan> And I can't find anything to mount a .img file with (or rather, I can partially mount it but it doesn't then get the contents of the image as it says it [the OS, Ubuntu 9.10] doesn't support the UDF filesystem?) and so I'll need to burn the disc (Windows Server 2008 R2) before I can use it in VirtualBox...
01:37:23 <ChrisMorgan> Why didn't Microsoft distribute it in a way I could handle..? :-(
01:38:04 <solanus> What, wasn't Windows 7 YOUR idea?
01:38:21 <ChrisMorgan> Not that I'm aware of.
01:38:57 <solanus> That was from their dumb ads ;-)
01:39:08 <ChrisMorgan> Oh. Just goes to show I never saw 'em
01:39:27 <ChrisMorgan> For some crazy reason this is reminding me of this joke: hold a hand to someone's head and say: "This is a brain sucker. What's it doing?"
01:39:33 <ChrisMorgan> Answer: "Starving."
01:41:07 <solanus> Well, I have to admit I'm still unclear about some of the nuances of the Launcher. I need to play with it more when I'm procrastinating the next time.
01:42:26 <solanus> 2 quick questions - and pardon me if I seem thick...
01:43:45 <solanus> 1. The latest version of the launcher keeps throwing debug messages when I close the app (Hugin). Is this because my ini is wrong, or is the Launcher in a debug mode by default?
01:44:09 <ChrisMorgan> That's fixed in hg
01:44:23 <ChrisMorgan> It was in global-debug mode but not segment-debug mode
01:44:32 <ChrisMorgan> I haven't done a release since fixing it though
01:44:32 <solanus> Cool.
01:45:21 * ChrisMorgan wonders whether the debug switch should be at compiler level or launcher.ini level... it does make it a tad larger
01:47:18 <ChrisMorgan> And 2?
01:48:01 <solanus> 2. Hugin has a temp folder that's set in the options, and stored in the settings reg file. However, it still makes the temp file in the Users folder. I'm not sure how to redirect to a subfolder of the app directory
01:48:21 <ChrisMorgan> Ahh... Hugin isn't java is it?
01:48:43 <solanus> No, I don't think so.
01:48:58 <ChrisMorgan> And is this temporary directory in %TEMP%? If so then don't set AssignContainedTempDirectory to false
01:49:21 <solanus> Hang on
01:52:39 <solanus> I had already set that to true. As for %TEMP%, I'm not sure how to set that
01:53:37 <ChrisMorgan> Setting TEMP is done by AssignContainedTempDirectory (also, true is the default so that line isn't needed)
01:53:52 <ChrisMorgan> The point then is where this directory is;
01:57:25 <solanus> playing with it now
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02:03:08 <solanus> Nope, Doesn't create a Data\Temp directory, Still saves to the system-specified directory for the environment variable TEMP
02:03:20 <solanus> And the file is persistent
02:03:54 <ChrisMorgan> Try removing your AssignContainedTempDirectory line from your INI file and try again
02:04:36 <ChrisMorgan> Gah, makensis is crashing in Wine now :-(
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02:13:54 <solanus> Still no go. Hugin is GUI front end for lots of separate Panotools; there's a text box that list the progress, and it clearly lists the temp directory as C:\Users\yadayada\Appdata\Local\Temp\, where it then happily plants my hugxxx.tmp file,
02:14:33 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... you got Process Explorer handy?
02:14:59 <ChrisMorgan> Take a look at Hugin.exe in it, Environment tab, and look at the environment variable TEMP
02:15:28 <ChrisMorgan> It should report C:\Users\yadayada\AppData\Local\Temp\HuginPortableTemp; if not something's weird
02:17:48 <ChrisMorgan> Wait, I think I now suspect what it is. TMP /does/ need to be set as well as TEMP.
02:18:51 <ChrisMorgan> TMP is actually read first by the Windows API call to get the temp directory, and it seems that TMP is set on Vista (on XP and earlier only TEMP was set, and TMP was only used by some POSIX-originating applications)
02:20:04 <solanus> I'm using W7
02:20:31 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah
02:20:45 <ChrisMorgan> 7 tends to inherit all the changes between XP and Vista
02:20:51 <solanus> BTW, did not report in PE the way you said
02:21:20 <ChrisMorgan> Oh?
02:21:33 <ChrisMorgan> What did it have for TEMP and/or TMP?
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02:23:48 <solanus> AH!! TEMP was the PortableApps\HuginPortable\Data\Temp. but TMP was C:\Users\yadayada\AppData\Local\Temp\
02:24:17 <ChrisMorgan> OK, good. I'll fix that now.
02:24:52 <ChrisMorgan> Problem: my ${!IfDebug} is causing makensis to crash in Wine. We can't have that.
02:25:18 <ChrisMorgan> Possible solution: try reverting Wine from 1.1.39 to 1.1.38... what a pain.
02:25:59 <solanus> Thanks! I think that's all that's funky with Hugin, so I'll post another beta after your fix. Thanks, Chris, I feel less clueless.
02:27:54 <solanus> I wish I could help with your makensissue, but I'm not that familiar. Good Luck! Now I'm off to patch my roof.
02:35:28 <sar3th> ChrisMorgan: where is the right place to get information about the launcher?
02:37:05 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: help.html included with the package.
02:37:24 <ChrisMorgan> And the source code itself.
02:40:23 <ChrisMorgan> Coming up: shiny new documentation, hundreds (if not thousands) of times more content, better, more complete, covering more useful subjects, documenting the whole process of making something portable (in a way better than the field guide mainly due to being more complete), with cross references all over the place, examples, almost everything you could wish for,
02:40:50 <ChrisMorgan> available as HTML, CHM, and if anyone wants it, LaTeX. BUT, there are things missing from it too; especially noteworthy is the lack of an embedded kitchen sink.
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02:47:02 <sar3th> when will it be here?
02:47:46 <ChrisMorgan> Writing that much documentation take a loooong time. However I'm almost ready to commit the first batch of files in it so you can at least get a feel for it.
02:48:09 <ChrisMorgan> Sphinx is really very good. I'd recommend it to people writing documentation.
02:49:11 <ChrisMorgan> *sigh* wine: Unhandled page fault on read access to 0x00000000 at address 0x417cc1 (thread 0019), starting debugger...
02:49:47 <ChrisMorgan> And what a useful top backtrace item... =>0 0x00417cc1 in makensis (+0x17cc1) (0x0032d888)
02:50:02 <ChrisMorgan> Ah, now I know exactly what went wrong! ;-)
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02:56:21 <ChrisMorgan> Found the problem. Missing ${|} at the end of an IfThen, thus unterminated string (${|} = '). On Windows it complains, on Wine it crashes. How fascinating.
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02:59:55 <ChrisMorgan> Hello, pa_2639! Can we help you with anything?
03:05:12 <pa_2639> sorry, was browsing on another page
03:05:33 <pa_2639> I wanted to ask JTH about FreeOTFE but he's not on chat...
03:06:05 <ChrisMorgan> pa_2639: what were you wanting to ask?
03:06:52 <pa_2639> I asked in the forum (dboki89) - is there any particular reason why FreeOTFE is being held back? (it's still in beta)
03:07:12 <ChrisMorgan> Ah
03:07:31 <ChrisMorgan> It's not so much a matter of being held back as not going forwards.
03:07:48 <ChrisMorgan> No new applications /have/ been going forwards just recently.
03:07:58 <pa_2639> oh
03:08:24 <pa_2639> so it's just updates to existing apps that are being developed (officialy)
03:08:28 <ChrisMorgan> But there is a fairly major issue with it, and that is that its driver is not signed which renders it useless in Vista/7, confining you to FreeOTFE Explorer, which defeats some of the purpose.
03:09:05 <ChrisMorgan> That's more or less it. We're heading towards getting back in gear with that; ZachThibeau's just about ready to release PChat as official, I believe (it's in Pre-Release)
03:09:31 <ChrisMorgan> Also, we haven't looked at the FreeOTFE launchers to make sure they're doing all they should just right, etc.
03:10:25 <pa_2639> don't get this the wrong way, but that's another IM client? While neither TrueCrypt nor FreeOTFE have a similar task-performing application instead promoted as official
03:10:36 <pa_2639> I'am talking about PChat
03:10:59 <sar3th> ChrisMorgan: was there an announcement about the launcher?
03:11:19 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: it was mentioned in one newsletter, other than that just the forum thread
03:11:35
03:12:08 <ChrisMorgan> pa_2639: XChat went to Pre-Release quite a long time ago; however issues with the Win32 builds being shareware caused it to halt. Then ZachThibeau forked it to continue development in a proper open source way, as PChat, and so it was ready to resume.
03:12:57 <ZachThibeau> it should be official sometime this week or so John says
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03:13:40 <ChrisMorgan> dboki89: it also helps that ZachThibeau is a known developer, whereas we haven't had anything to do with the FreeOTFE developer on our own grounds (portability) before.
03:14:02 <sar3th> ChrisMorgan: alpha 4 or rather repo version?
03:14:17 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: when/where?
03:14:22 <sar3th> PAL
03:14:32 <ChrisMorgan> when/where are you talking about
03:14:56 <sar3th> is it better to use the current alpha of PAL or the version from the repository?
03:15:19 <sar3th> eg the alpha lacks uber-important fearure X and Y , but Z is unstable
03:15:20 <ChrisMorgan> The driver issue is I think the biggest issue. The best solution for that would be for the FreeOTFE developer to ask people for a hundred or so dollars per annum and get a trusted code signing certificate
03:16:07 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: for your own use I would recommend the repository. It's tended to be more stable and has more features than the alpha builds (most of which have had issues with them discovered fairly shortly)
03:16:20 <sar3th> okay
03:16:24 <sar3th> just as i thought :)
03:17:33 <ChrisMorgan> If you'd like to test RunAsAdmin for me, that'd be great. I've just committed some code for it to debug it by saying what's happening (put in a line at the top, `!define DEBUG_SEGMENT_RunAsAdmin` to get it to debug just that section).
03:18:55 <ChrisMorgan> You actually don't need a [Launch]:ProgramExecutable for testing that, [Launch]:RunAsAdmin=try|force gets checked before anything else (so all you need is an INI file with a couple of lines to test the elevation process)
03:19:03 <dboki89> at Chris Morgan: About the FreeOTFE, it's not that important if it's THAT program in particular. I'm trying to imply that there isn't any program that does a similar job, and I think that at least one of such programs should be made more accessible to "normal" users which don't use the forums. TrueCrypt has signed drivers, AFAIK?
03:20:15 <sar3th> ChrisMorgan: is there a way to download the current revision without installing mercurial?
03:20:40 <ChrisMorgan> Yes, it does. The problem with /it/ is that it /requires/ the driver to be installed, as tc_explorer (the equivalent of FreeOTFE Explorer) is outdated and, I believe, doesn't work with the latest TrueCrypt format
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03:21:19 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: there is (as an archive) but it's not enabled by default and I haven't enabled it
03:21:36 <sar3th> =(
03:22:03 <ChrisMorgan> Using Mercurial means that you can just get an incremental update, though, which is much faster...
03:22:21 <sar3th> lol i know, after all, it's a version control system ;)
03:23:01 <dboki89> @ChrisMorgan: I'll be back a little later when you have some time. It's not polite of me to "steal" you when you're chating with other people about programming/beta testing/whatever...
03:23:30 <ChrisMorgan> dboki89: oh no, that's fine... if anything we (sar3th and I) should be talking in #portableapps-dev...
03:23:36 <sar3th> yup
03:23:53 <ChrisMorgan> It's quite common IRC practice to have two, three, four, 17 conversations going on at the same time... you get used to it.
03:23:59 <ChrisMorgan> Especially if you ever visit #ubuntu
03:24:16 <Chazz> ChrisMorgan: 17 is a bit small for #ubuntu. ;P
03:24:27 <ChrisMorgan> Quite so.
03:24:38 <ZachThibeau> and then you get the quiet but yet loud people ;)
03:24:40 <dboki89> I can imagine! That's what I hated about Facebook chat before they made it possible to set yourself as offline for some users
03:25:08 <ZachThibeau> I
03:25:15 <ZachThibeau> I'm not a fan of facebook really
03:25:28 <ZachThibeau> overrated imho, now twitter thats my thing :)
03:25:39 * ChrisMorgan avoids all of them
03:27:03 <dboki89> Well, I don't like FB anymore... I started using it some 3 years ago, when it was somewhat "new", and used it to stay in touch with some of my friends who moved to the US. Nowadays, FB is just bloated with a lot of crap and useless information
03:27:55 <dboki89> actually, 4 years ago (started using it in 2006)
03:30:41 <dboki89> Now, about the signed/unsigned drivers talk again. Would it be possible to code a small program to "temporarilly" turn off driver checking (via a prompt to a user), and when you exit the program it reverts the settings back? I know it's not that hard to turn off driver-checking in Vista manually
03:31:30 <ChrisMorgan> I've never looked into it. I know that it would not be a good idea at all though.
03:32:09 <sar3th> i know it's possible but it's not advisable
03:32:15 <ChrisMorgan> And it would seem a bit weird if an unsigned (malicious) driver could turn off that check so it could install itself.
03:32:29 <dboki89> well, it would be like reverting the driver/security settings to XP level just for the time of those drivers being ran
03:32:54 <dboki89> I meant to code a small applet to automize the process of turning off that checking
03:33:01 <dboki89> separate from the driver
03:37:20 <dboki89> I just Googled a little... From what I've just read, all you need is a simple batch file with "Bcdedit.exe /set nointegritychecks ON". HOWEVER, there is a problem of having to reboot afterwords for the settings to take effect (would a simple log-off/logon suffice?)
03:38:19 <ChrisMorgan> Anything like that most certainly disqualifies it.
03:38:31 <ChrisMorgan> And a reboot would be required.
03:41:42 <dboki89> Well, thanks for your time and the answers! :) That's all I wanted to know, and the support here is excellent :) I'll probably stop by more often if/when I run into trouble with Portable Apps :)
03:41:49 <dboki89> Cheers :)
03:42:34 <ChrisMorgan> dboki89: you're welcome, thanks for coming :-)
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04:53:33 <ChrisMorgan> It's another of John's "release everything!" days :-)
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05:49:40 <ChrisMorgan> What's the opposite of WNetGetUniversalName?
06:13:33 <ChrisMorgan> Answer: there is no direct opposite :-(
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08:03:38 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com developer and moderator and works on the PortableApps.com Launcher (please test it!)
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09:37:44 <pa_9660> hello
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09:50:34 <dale> hi there
09:51:24 <ChrisMorgan> Hello, dale; can we help you with anything?
09:51:43 <dale> i've problem in opening pdf file
09:53:27 <dale> there was adobe acrobat reader installed on my pc
09:54:28 <dale> i uninstalled it and tried to use smatra pdf reader
09:55:07 <dale> but it does not open online pdf pages
09:56:31 <dale> @ChrisMorgan can u help me in resolving the problem
09:57:43 <ChrisMorgan> dale: do you mean opening pages through the web browser?
09:58:00 <dale> yes
09:58:18 <ChrisMorgan> You'll need to download them and open them in Sumatra manually
09:59:12 <dale> but first they have to open before they can be saved
10:00:46 <ChrisMorgan> Why?
10:00:54 <ChrisMorgan> You save them so that you can open them.
10:04:54 <dale> its not used frindly
10:07:13 <ChrisMorgan> If you want to use it though, that's the way you'll have to do it.
10:07:26 <dale> ok
10:12:12 <dale> but how can i open pdf file in sumat pdf reader instead of adobe acrobat reader
10:18:02 <ChrisMorgan> dale: download the PDF file and open it in Sumatra PDF (the easiest way to do that would be to open Sumatra PDF and select Open and find the file)
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13:57:51 <pa_6319> just thought I would let you know that the link to the anti-spyware on your site isn't working
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15:53:02 <nixp23> hi everyone, do you know how I can set the language for X-Chat to English by default?
15:53:19 <nixp23> I opened XC on another computer and now the interface is in Dutch :S
15:54:45 <nixp23> I've tried this method - http://xchat.org/faq/#q11
15:54:54 <nixp23> but the command doesn't seem to work here
16:15:53 <MaienM|Sleep> nixp23: I think XChat will use the language set in the menu, could this be the case for you?
16:16:49 <nixp23> that's what I thought as well, but the thing is that I can't choose the language in the menu :p
16:17:13 <nixp23> the starting screen is a screen letting me choose my nick, server, etc. and that's all in Dutch now
16:19:06 <MaienM|Sleep> I mean in the PortableApps.com platform, the menu you launch xchat portable from (well, in most cases)
16:19:39 <nixp23> oh... that
16:20:00 <nixp23> I usually use those programs stand alone style, much easier for me
16:20:09 <MaienM|Sleep> oh, ok
16:20:14 <MaienM|Sleep> well then that cannot be the issue
16:21:17 <nixp23> I do see some .ini files in the \XChatPortable\Data\settings dir
16:21:35 <nixp23> afterwards I changed the contents of the file with Language=EN
16:21:48 <nixp23> but still Dutch lol
16:22:13 <MaienM|Sleep> well you could just delete all translation files, might save some space too ;)
16:22:25 <MaienM|Sleep> although thats kind of a hackish solution
16:23:22 <MaienM|Sleep> those should be located somewhere in the App/XChat directory in the XChatPortable directory
16:23:45 <nixp23> great I'll try that, what things were ever usefull when they weren't used? ;p
16:23:57 <MaienM|Sleep> exactly ;)
16:25:21 <nixp23> right, I do realize that deleting them _while_ I'm using XChat isn't recommended, so I'll check back here later with the results :)
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16:25:52 <MaienM|Sleep> alright, good luck :)
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17:14:43 <JohnTHaller> hola
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17:18:25 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> hello JohnTHaller
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17:18:31 <JohnTHaller> how goes it?
17:18:48 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> It goes, you?
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17:19:05 <Gizmokid2005> a bit tired...went to bed at about 5:30 and was up at 9.
17:20:18 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, I was working til 3am finishing up OO.o
17:24:50 <Gizmokid2005> cool, get it finished up?
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17:26:42 <JohnTHaller> Yeah. Just finishing up the appinfo.inis (I'm adding in the OpenOffice.org Portable base icon by default now) and compiling and installing. Added in Korean, Trad Chinese and Danish.
17:29:48 <Gizmokid2005> very cool :)
17:30:02 <Gizmokid2005> are you going to add Home and End key shortcuts in the next PAP beta?
17:31:17 <JohnTHaller> It's on the todo list.
17:31:36 <rcmaehl_school> I need some ideas for the kidsafe update pages at http://ks.fcofix.org/02600/ and at http://ks.fcofix.org/02601/
17:33:29 <Gizmokid2005> alrighty.
17:40:16 <JohnTHaller> COmpiling TB 3.0.2 now...
17:40:27 <ZachThibeau> howdy JohnTHaller :)
17:40:33 <JohnTHaller> hi ZachThibeau
17:40:57 <ZachThibeau> how's things progressing, I see from twitter you released a number of updates for individual apps
17:41:19 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, playing catchup after last week's awfulness
17:41:53 <ZachThibeau> hmm I can imagine
17:42:58 <JohnTHaller> Got a schedule down with my designer on 2.0. We're looking at Mar 23 as our release date. Betas scheduled for each week until then starting this coming Tues or Wed when Beta 5 introduces the updater.
17:44:10 <ZachThibeau> very nice
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17:45:01 <ZachThibeau> seems my custom theme setup for PChat broke a couple of features (minor features that not many people don't really use)
17:45:20 <ZachThibeau> so I'm trying to fix that so that it can work
17:46:58 <JohnTHaller> Do we need that before doing a stable release?
17:50:22 <ZachThibeau> no what I'm working on is a branch considered unstable atm current release is the recommended version to use
17:50:53 <JohnTHaller> Ok. So you think the current PChat is a done deal?
17:51:53 <ZachThibeau> I believe so, no bugs so far reported as of yet
17:53:46 <JohnTHaller> Alright, hang on and I'll make you a page.
17:53:50 <ZachThibeau> ok
17:59:15 <JohnTHaller> Ok: http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/pchat_portable
18:00:10 <ZachThibeau> excellent :D
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18:13:06 <JohnTHaller> Think I'm gonna release SMPlayer today or tomorrow if I have time, too
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18:24:08 <trystleo> Hello people. I'm getting an error in PA platform 2.0 beta 4... Problems images uploaded at http://yfrog.com/i320100225234752jx
18:24:09 <PortableAppsUser> Look, I'm making a PChat screenshot :-)
18:24:53 <JohnTHaller> Hi trystleo. Did you do a standard installation?
18:25:05 <trystleo> Yes
18:25:12 <JohnTHaller> Are you using a custom theme or a custom User image in the upper right?
18:25:33 <trystleo> No custom theme or image being used
18:25:42 <JohnTHaller> Ok, where did you install it to?
18:25:57 <trystleo> USB drive
18:26:07 <JohnTHaller> I mean the exact path? To the root directory?
18:27:03 <trystleo> I downloaded the platform. Double clicking the platform inititated the update. So i guess it must be root directory
18:27:14 <JohnTHaller> Ok, so it was an upgrade?
18:27:21 <trystleo> Yes
18:27:50 <JohnTHaller> Ok, first close the platform if it is still running, you may need to use task manager.
18:28:14 <trystleo> Closed
18:28:30 <JohnTHaller> Ok. No reinstall over the existing one using the installer to the same location.
18:28:59 <JohnTHaller> But don't run it yet
18:29:36 <trystleo> Reinstall the 2.0 beta 4 suite?
18:30:25 <JohnTHaller> Actually, hold that. Have you checked the drive for errors yet? That error means one of the PNGs is corrupted, which often indicates drive errors
18:31:35 <trystleo> No I haven't. Do I use the PA provided check for drive errors?
18:32:34 <JohnTHaller> No, for right now, right-click on the drive in explorer, seletc properties, select the Tools tab and then click Check Now under Error Checking.
18:35:23 <trystleo> Checked. Nothing.
18:35:35 <JohnTHaller> Ok. Now reinstall 2.0 Beta 4 over your existing copy.
18:35:39 <JohnTHaller> But don't run it yet
18:35:45 <trystleo> Ok.
18:36:07 <JohnTHaller> (wanted to do the drive check first on the off-chance there were errors so we didn't compound them and possibly lose some of your data)
18:37:31 <trystleo> Done.
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18:38:03 <JohnTHaller> Ok, now browse to X:\PortableAPps\PortableApps.com\Data and tell me what you see
18:39:31 <trystleo> A personal picture (which shouldn't have been there), portableappsbackup.ini, portableappsmenu.ini
18:39:57 <JohnTHaller> delete the picture
18:40:04 <JohnTHaller> then start the platform
18:40:53 <trystleo> Fixed! Thanks!
18:41:12 <trystleo> Though that picture shouldn't have been there.
18:41:40 <JohnTHaller> Great to hear. Yeah, not sure how that happened. But it;s working now :-)
18:42:15 <trystleo> Yeah it is working now. Thanks for the help!
18:42:53 <JohnTHaller> You're welcome
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18:55:41 <JohnTHaller> ZachThibeau: Added a screenshot for PChat for you
18:56:07 <ZachThibeau> thanks
18:56:27 <JohnTHaller> I editted the page, too. You only need the TM on the first occurence
18:56:47 <SteveLamerton> Hi Gizmokid2005, JohnTHaller, all
18:56:52 <JohnTHaller> hi SteveLamerton
18:57:26 <ZachThibeau> I thought so, but I didn't go with first gut instinct though
19:01:34 <ZachThibeau> same kind of mistake I made on my written driving test for my beginners license (I'm retaking the test tomorrow)
19:01:44 <JohnTHaller> Ouch
19:02:37 <ZachThibeau> well it's no biggie really for me, the guy beside me was really nervous though, 5th time for him rewritting it at that time
19:03:58 <ZachThibeau> actually the guy was the son of the person who owns the local computer store where I do my tech shopping (I get nice discounts there for being the #1 regular there :P small tech stores ftw)
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19:25:59 <ZachThibeau> ok JohnTHaller page should be ready, I'm pulling the source from svn that PChat currently uses and ziping them
19:26:43 <JohnTHaller> Cool. Wanna send me a linkj to it?
19:26:59 <ZachThibeau> sure thing
19:32:36 <ZachThibeau> JohnTHaller: http://pchat-irc.com/downloads/pchatsource.zip
19:36:37 <JohnTHaller> Got it
19:36:42 <ZachThibeau> awesome
19:39:58 <ZachThibeau> I wish I could move to minigtk :/ Zed released the source for it but he didn't include instructions on how to compile it with XChat or how to enable spelling check in the win32 builds
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19:43:20 <JohnTHaller> PChat and XChat are English only right?
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19:46:59 <Gizmokid2005> hello SteveLamerton :) (Was away from IRC)
19:48:42 <MaienM|Sleep> JohnTHaller: we had an user earlier today with an issue about xchat being in dutch while he wanted it in english, so I'm quite sure xchat is mutlilingual. I'm not sure about pchat though
19:48:44 <ZachThibeau> JohnTHaller: no I included other languages in it so it should be multilingual
19:49:00 <JohnTHaller> How do you switch between them?
19:49:20 <ZachThibeau> to be honest it's not really documented
19:49:52 <JohnTHaller> So it uses the OS lang?
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19:51:15 <JohnTHaller> Hi markomlm
19:51:54 <markomlm> hello JohnTHaller @all
19:52:10 <JohnTHaller> I'm uploading OO,oP shortly :-)
19:52:18 <JohnTHaller> I added in traditional chinese and korean, too
20:00:26 <ZachThibeau> JohnTHaller: I couldn'te tell you for sure but it looks like that from reading the log earlier that MaienM|Sleep was talking with another user about it
20:01:46 <JohnTHaller> Ok, I'll stick a note on the support page. We should figure out where it is within PChat to see if it can be manually set and then do auto-switching based on the platform.
20:04:36 <ZachThibeau> sounds like a plan
20:05:42 <JohnTHaller> Hope you're ready for a ton of people using it :-) http://portableapps.com/news/2010-02-25_-_pchat_portable_1.0.1.5
20:06:00 <ZachThibeau> I certainly hope so :)
20:06:44 <Gizmokid2005> it's got the Dia Icon on the right still JohnTHaller
20:07:03 <JohnTHaller> nuh-uh
20:07:14 <Gizmokid2005> that's better ;)
20:10:00 <ZachThibeau> ohh I forgot, JohnTHaller I think we may need to add xtray and disable the gtk tray icon
20:10:31 <JohnTHaller> Wait, yhou mean I need to pull the build?
20:10:51 <ZachThibeau> just only to add the xtray plugin
20:10:59 <JohnTHaller> So I have to pull the build
20:11:12 <ZachThibeau> yeah.. sorry
20:11:37 <ZachThibeau> here is the xtray plugin http://pchat-irc.com/downloads/X-Tray.7z
20:11:54 <JohnTHaller> Please rebuild it and send it to me with a new version number
20:11:56 <ZachThibeau> right click and save as in your browser (mime-type not added to my server yet for 7z packages
20:11:59 <ZachThibeau> kk
20:12:17 <JohnTHaller> I don't do last minute fixes as the chance to mess them up is too high for someone unfamiliar with the app.
20:13:45 <ZachThibeau> should be fine without it but for people that like the tray icon feature may want it, maybe I could package it as a addon installer instead
20:14:50 <JohnTHaller> No, bundle it in.
20:14:52 <ZachThibeau> ok
20:15:02 <SteveLamerton> I got caught arriving in that screenshot ;)
20:15:05 <JohnTHaller> If it's normally bundled on XChat (their trayt icon) this should be bundled here
20:15:09 <JohnTHaller> you did indeed
20:15:43 <ZachThibeau> ok
20:18:24 <ZachThibeau> ok generating package now
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20:22:36 <ZachThibeau> JohnTHaller: http://pchat-irc.com/downloads/PChatPortable_1.0.1.5.paf.exe
20:22:52 <JohnTHaller> Remember we need a NEW version for this one
20:22:59 <JohnTHaller> 1.0.1.5 went out badly. The damage is done.
20:23:50 <ZachThibeau> well ok then I'll rebuild and name it 1.0.1.6 then
20:24:26 <JohnTHaller> The local one has the same issue, right?
20:25:24 <ZachThibeau> yeah, pretty much
20:26:06 <JohnTHaller> So a new build of both makes sense then.
20:26:13 <JohnTHaller> BTW - whay are you using x.x.x.x instead of just x.x.x?
20:26:35 <JohnTHaller> that last number is generally only for internal build distinctions. even mozilla finally stopped using all 4
20:26:38 <ZachThibeau> I blame code blocks autoversioning tool
20:27:20 <JohnTHaller> It can still have a 4th digit build. THat's fine. But refer to it as x.x.x. And when you do a new public release, manually iup the 3rd digit and do it as x.x.y
20:27:56 <ZachThibeau> ok
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20:30:02 <ZachThibeau> ok building new release version 1.0.2
20:30:15 <rcmaehl> ZachThibeau, of what?
20:30:24 <MaienM|Sleep> rcmaehl, read the logs
20:46:09 <ZachThibeau> ok JohnTHaller uploading new package
20:47:02 <JohnTHaller> Ok
20:47:10 <ZachThibeau> http://pchat-irc.com/downloads/PChatPortable_1.0.2.paf.exe
20:47:22 <JohnTHaller> Any changes to source?
20:48:02 <ZachThibeau> yeah just only to the about menu class that displays the version
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20:48:21 <JohnTHaller> Ok fine
20:48:36 <Oni-Neoxes> Hello All.
20:48:49 <ZachThibeau> I'm going to zip up the sources anyways
20:51:55 <ZachThibeau> http://pchat-irc.com/downloads/PChatSource.zip the source changes
20:55:03 <JohnTHaller> ok, source uploaded, package signed and uploaded. will wait for it to mirror and then re-announce
20:55:08 <ZachThibeau> kk
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21:03:31 <GizmoBot> SergentSiler is a PortableApps.com Menu Themer, his theme website is http://silerhost.site50.net
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21:12:21 <ZachThibeau> brb supper time
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21:16:43 <JohnTHaller> Ok, PChat take 2: http://portableapps.com/news/2010-02-25_-_pchat_portable_1.0.2
21:19:45 <marlop> ZachThibeau: can you put a note on the app page, so that users don't activate the gtk tray icon. ;)
21:26:18 <JohnTHaller> Done
21:27:53 <ZachThibeau> thanks JohnTHaller, just got back, I also added the note to the pchat faqs page on pchat-irc.com page too
21:29:15 <ZachThibeau> generating the desktop installer for installing a local copy and in the new post I'll link to the portable version's page on portableapps.com
21:32:06 <marlop> quote from the pchat portable page:"so you can take your compiler wherever you go.". Is that rigth?
21:33:05 <marlop> ZachThibeau : ?
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21:40:44 <TheHopelessOtaku> yoez
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21:42:22 <marlop> Gizmokid2005: quote from http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/pchat_portable :"so you can take your compiler wherever you go.". Is that rigth?
21:43:00 <Gizmokid2005> marlop: no. ZachThibeau might want to fix that ;) Last line of the first paragraph.
21:44:46 <rcmaehl> I have an Idea on how PA.c programs can check for updates
21:44:55 <rcmaehl> Very Easy and Simple
21:46:19 <rcmaehl> Parsing a simple webpage in an online directory for each app
21:48:40 <ZachThibeau> Gizmokid2005: I don't know what you are talking about ;)
21:50:20 <marlop> ZachThibeau: quote from http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/pchat_portable :"so you can take your compiler wherever you go."
21:50:44 <ZachThibeau> marlop: thats sarcasm, reload the page and you'll see I already fixed that
21:50:49 <ZachThibeau> ;)
21:50:51 <marlop> ok
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22:03:01 <sar3th> ZachThibeau: i smell you took that text snippet from somewhere XD
22:03:20 <ZachThibeau> sar3th: nsis portable my other app :P
22:03:32 <sar3th> lol
22:03:45 <sar3th> i wrote something similar in mingw xD
22:05:43 <ZachThibeau> :P
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22:30:44 <marlop> bye
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23:04:01 <ChrisMorgan> ZachThibeau: TM? Uh oh...
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23:08:58 <NathanJ79> Hey guys.
23:09:13 <ChrisMorgan> Hello, NathanJ79, haven't seen you in here before
23:09:39 <JohnTHaller> hi NathanJ79, how goes it
23:09:50 <NathanJ79> That's because I've never used IRC before. Always meant to try it. And can't do it from work. Not sure I'll use it much at home but I thought I'd try it.
23:10:15 <NathanJ79> Goes good, you? Saw you guys belted out about five or six releases yesterday.
23:11:02 <ChrisMorgan> "You guys"? You mean John :-)
23:12:51 <JohnTHaller> Heh
23:13:19 <NathanJ79> You guys = PortableApps.com, I figure it's not just him, e.g. MAZZter does Chrome etc.
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23:13:55 <JohnTHaller> Yup. Mazzter did the updated launchers and stuff.
23:14:03 <JohnTHaller> And Zach did ALL of PChat
23:14:41 <ChrisMorgan> Even through to releasing the files and creating the page?
23:15:04 <NathanJ79> Yeah, I figure it's a group effort so I try to respect everyone.
23:15:24 <ChrisMorgan> :D
23:15:36 <JohnTHaller> I respect no one. Especially myself :-P
23:15:40 * ChrisMorgan is spending far too much time developing the PortableApps.com Launcher
23:15:57 <JohnTHaller> It doesn't have to do everything right off the bat, ChrisMorgan
23:16:04 <ChrisMorgan> And now the documentation is the biggest thing now
23:16:25 <ChrisMorgan> I know, it's mainly bug-fixing and breaking changes that I want to do at some point that I'm doing now.
23:16:32 <ChrisMorgan> And the docs (with Sphinx)
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23:17:10 <NathanJ79> Yeah documentation is key, I tried to use the generic Launcher for NetHack and was confused by the lengthly .ini. I have a feeling it's portable to start with.
23:17:31 <ChrisMorgan> NathanJ79: did you look at help.html?
23:17:31 <NathanJ79> Really all it needs is a launcher that points to it, I think, to comply with the Format.
23:17:51 <ChrisMorgan> It's reasonably good as it is, just not as complete as it can be
23:18:14 <NathanJ79> It was a couple months ago, I do think I read some kind of help -- either that html file or a quick guide on the forums.
23:20:05 <ChrisMorgan> NathanJ79: if you just want it to launch something, two lines: [Launch] and ProgramExecutable=NetHack\NetHack.exe. This will also take care that nothing gets left in the TEMP directory. If you want to allow multiple instances, put in another line SingleInstance=false
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23:28:24 <NathanJ79> Oh, OK. NetHack really should be an official release, pretty sure it can even check your email for you. A "demon" (MailerDaemon) runs up and gives you a scroll labeled the subject of the email and you can read it in-game.
23:28:45 <NathanJ79> Not that that's a reason why, it's just a neat feature and a joke, I guess.
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23:31:16 <ChrisMorgan> in-game? What is NetHack?
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23:33:05 <NathanJ79> Well it's nothing to do with hacking Chris. ;-) It's an RPG with ASCII symbols for graphics. Old as dirt and near impossible.
23:33:59 <ChrisMorgan> :-/
23:34:33 <Usbtastic> Hi, I'm trying out the new PChat portable client. I've found that if I minimise the chat window and then click the icon in the system tray (notification area) the app crashes. I'm using Vista 32bit. Anyone else have this issue?
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23:36:22 <NathanJ79> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetHack for more info, there's so much I could say about it but that's considered spoilers in the game community, talking about things you can do. For its graphics it's pretty open.
23:36:23 <JohnTHaller> Are you using the GTK tray icon or the bundled XTray extension icon?
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23:37:56 <Usbtastic> @JohnTHaller - just the default icon with the PChat tooltip.
23:38:08 <NathanJ79> Yep, I just crashed it by minimizing it and trying to bring it back. That was fun.
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23:38:20 <NathanJ79> Win7 Home Premium 32-bit
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23:39:34 <JohnTHaller> The built in tray icon doesn't work right. It's supposed to be set to use the XTray icon.
23:39:37 <Usbtastic> Thanks, at least I now knwo it's not just me :o)
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23:40:00 <JohnTHaller> There is a XTray extension built in that should do it properly. It's supposed to be on by default./
23:40:07 * kai_62656 is trying PChat
23:40:44 <ChrisMorgan> kai_62656: you've been coming in, timing out, coming in, timing out rather a lot over the past few weeks... it'd be good if you could avoid that
23:41:04 <kai_62656> I know, my router resets every so often
23:41:17 <ChrisMorgan> Why?
23:41:23 <kai_62656> I dont know
23:41:52 <ChrisMorgan> Could be dying. We had one that did that every so often and that was due to some malfunction in it. Eventually it died completely.
23:41:59 <kai_62656> oh
23:42:19 <kai_62656> ok
23:42:29 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: I'm just updating the "Apps ready for official release" thread to the latest PAF/PAI etc. details
23:42:59 <JohnTHaller> Ok
23:44:02 <ChrisMorgan> Done; I've removed some of the details as they're included in the Format spec
23:44:45 <JohnTHaller> I think I'm gonna have to pull {PChat again
23:44:47 <Usbtastic> @JohnTHaller - Yep, there are 2 icons, one is an XTray icon that doesn't crash it. Thanks.
23:44:51 <JohnTHaller> It crashes as soon as you minimize it
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23:45:54 <JohnTHaller> *sigh*
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23:47:56 <NathanJ79> Ha ha, this official release has more bugs than Audacity 1.3.11 "Beta". Sorry John, had to say it.
23:48:29 <JohnTHaller> I'm beginning to think I can't trust others to do sign-off testing.
23:48:58 <Bensawsome> o_o
23:49:10 <JohnTHaller> Every time I don't test something, there's some HUGE bug in it that would absolutely be a dealbreaker.
23:49:11 <Bensawsome> thats not good
23:49:21 <ChrisMorgan> :-(
23:49:44 <JohnTHaller> An app that can't be restored after being minimized? How does that even get missed?
23:50:03 <MaienM|Sleep> sounds to me like this should go back to dev test/pr (no offense zach) and be tested more thoroughly before release
23:50:35 <MaienM|Sleep> if something like this could be overlooked I wouldn't be surprised if other minor things are too
23:50:35 <JohnTHaller> I'm gonna pull it again. Any objections?
23:50:59 <MaienM|Sleep> not from my side, we should not have unstable apps up as official ones
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23:51:46 <NathanJ79> No objection here FWIW, that's a pretty loud deal breaker.
23:52:29 <Usbtastic> No objection from me either.
23:53:09 <ChrisMorgan> I imagine that Zach thought he'd fixed it with XTray and just didn't test his final release
23:53:41 <NathanJ79> And having two icons is confusing too, can't that be consolidated somehow?
23:54:15 <JohnTHaller> No, it's a huge bug in the current build
23:54:21 <JohnTHaller> I wish I'd tested this.
23:54:42 <ChrisMorgan> NathanJ79: I think he thought he'd removed the old one
23:55:25 <ChrisMorgan> I reckon it'd be worth while getting in contact with Zach as quickly as possible, telling him the problem and seeing if he can fix it within a day and do a new release.
23:55:34 <ChrisMorgan> I imagine it's just a fairly simple oversight.
23:56:02 <NathanJ79> Oh, OK. Yeah I have one that says XChat [1.0.2] and the other one says PChat connected to 1 networks and 1 channels.
23:56:04 <ChrisMorgan> Quite possibly just two missing characters (//) in his code...
23:56:12 <JohnTHaller> We already pulled his 1st build (which had only one icon that crashed). This is his 2nd build. I'm not comfortable doing anything without a full test again based on this.
23:56:24 <ChrisMorgan> Uh oh, didn't realise it was already at two
23:56:54 <ChrisMorgan> How do you intend to pull it off? Like MPlayer or removing the pages temporarily?
23:57:17 <JohnTHaller> Ok pulled from the homepage, both app directory pages, removed the download like, deleted the SF news article, etc
23:58:06 <NathanJ79> Oh speaking of pulling stuff, why do we still have Mac on a Stick up there? And with the chilled attitude toward portable OSes in general shouldn't the whole category be axed?
23:58:50 <Usbtastic> @JohnTHaller - dont forget the RSS feed.
23:59:46 <JohnTHaller> It takes 15 miniutes