IRC Log from 2010-02-28
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00:28:00 <mth> hi
00:28:20 <mth> I'm one of the developers of openMSX, an MSX (80's home computer) emulator
00:28:34 <mth> one of our users requested whether it is possible to create a portable app of openMSX
00:28:40 <mth> looking at the spec it seems possible
00:28:48 <mth> I'm wondering how you deal with upgrades though
00:29:11 <mth> when a new app version comes out, how do users migrate their settings and other user data to the new app version?
00:30:58 <TimClark> moment
00:31:40 <TimClark> the installer of the new version overwites all the app except the data, which is stored in it's own directory
00:32:28 <TimClark> that is why in the PAF there should always be a /data directory, so it can be preserved
00:33:05 <mth> ah, so it requires an installer, not just a ZIP with the right directory structure?
00:33:21 <mth> we've got a WiX installer, it should be possible to customize that
00:34:14 <TimClark> correct mth
00:34:52 <TimClark> by the way, I'm not a dev, so i am not the best person to ask about details
00:36:25 <mth> right now I just want to get a feeling what is involved
00:36:43 <mth> we're close to a release, so a portable apps version will have to be done after the release anyway
00:36:43 * rcmaehl just found out that the PAP and bitlocker don't mix well
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00:37:11 <TimClark> go away rcmaehl or i will make you
00:37:32 <Oni-Neoxes> Wow. First thing I see when I come online.
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00:38:02 <mth> Oni-Neoxes: I guess this has some history; I came in 10 minutes ago and TimClark was very helpful to me
00:38:43 <Oni-Neoxes> Oh no, It's really no problem. rcmaehl has been known to cause these problems.
00:40:42 <mth> ah
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00:51:20 <ve4jhj> gluxon: question about eXpresso - is there a way to quit eXpresso from the command-line? I'm using OliverK's autoclose, but I haven't been able to figure out how to close eXpresso without using a key combination or the context menu.
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01:34:44 <gluxon> ve4jhj: I could implant it :D
01:35:29 <gluxon> I have to eat dinner right now, but I can send you a quick test version with quit parameters :)
01:35:52 <ve4jhj> sweet, thanks
01:36:03 <ve4jhj> my PA.com username @ gmail
01:37:20 <gluxon> Hm... there's no problem with just killing it though.
01:37:53 <gluxon> taskkill /IM eXpresso.exe
01:38:05 <OliverK|Away> there's supposed to be a way built in
01:38:14 <OliverK|Away> i think its like /exit or something
01:38:19 <gluxon> Yeah, that works :)
01:39:19 <ve4jhj> Thanks, OliverK, that's exactly what I was looking for
01:39:26 <OliverK|Away> no prob
01:39:45 <ve4jhj> in that case, gluxon, no changes are needed :)
01:47:59 <gluxon> Okay :)
01:48:49 <gluxon> Yeah, /exit works, guess it's built into AutoHotKey :)
01:48:58 <gluxon> Thanks OliverK.
01:49:57 <ve4jhj> I was trying to find out if it was, but I guess I wasn't looking in the right spot. In that case, I can get rid of my AHK eXpresso-quitting script
01:51:50 <ve4jhj> I gotta run, later all!
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01:52:15 <OliverK|Away> gluxon: its not built into ahk, its built into expresso
01:55:04 <gluxon> Really? O_O
02:04:33 <gluxon> Oh yeah, it is :P
02:12:46 * computerfreaker is away: back in just a moment
02:12:52 * computerfreaker is back (gone 00:00:06)
02:13:15 * computerfreaker is away: bbl
02:18:35 <TimClark> computerfreaker: please don't to that
02:18:58 <computerfreaker> sorry, TimClark, that wasn't deliberate :/
02:19:12 <TimClark> well, it looks like you use /me
02:19:15 <computerfreaker> I was trying out a custom away command in PChat and forgot it sends the away message to all channels
02:20:28 <TimClark> well, others have use a similar script type thing and they are very annoying, i recommand not using it
02:20:57 <TimClark> "(gone 00:00:06)" no one needs to no how long you have been gone
02:21:21 <computerfreaker> that wasn't me; that was an auto-back message from PChat. I'll try to disable it right now.
02:23:53 <computerfreaker> well, I turned off the "broadcast away messages" setting, so now it won't show all my away/back messages anymore
02:24:23 <computerfreaker> ZachThibeau: any way to turn off the "(gone xx:yy:zz)" part of the back message in PChat?
02:34:06 <computerfreaker> it's pretty late, so I'm going to go. Goodnight all!
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03:58:15 <JohnTHaller> hola
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04:01:32 <Gizmokid2005> hello JohnTHaller
04:02:48 <JohnTHaller> how goes it
04:02:57 <Gizmokid2005> it goes, you?
04:03:03 <Gizmokid2005> only 3 weeks until my wedding.
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04:06:21 <JohnTHaller> not bad. just got back from dinner
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05:22:44 <OliverK|Away> night all
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07:24:08 <Hypnotoad> sweetness, PChat works
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07:36:13 <pa_7509> hello guys
07:37:21 <pa_7509> only 1 question i have: is it possible to organize program icons into folders within portableapps menu?
07:37:45 <pa_7509> eg. all openoffice icons to folder named "open_office"
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07:48:41 <TimClark> pa_7509: are you still with us ?
07:49:33 <TimClark> it is planned for a future version
07:55:49 <pa_7509> yessir :)
07:56:05 <pa_7509> ok, many thanks... i'll keep watching
07:56:09 <pa_7509> thanks again, bye all
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08:35:29 <gringoloco> just testing PChat
08:46:47 <gringoloco> this is the first time I use an app like this, it's a bit confusing
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08:58:16 <gringoloco> and it's allready proving to be too much for my internet conection
09:02:19 <gringoloco> Can anybody explain me about 'eject.exe', which is included with PAM ?
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10:25:22 <newbie4PA> hello
10:27:26 <newbie4PA> after installing portableapps suite and xampp the options/refresh app icons does not work... what do i miss?
10:27:44 <newbie4PA> xampp is installed to H:\PortableApps\XAMPP, where H: is my usb stick
10:28:08 <newbie4PA> i've already tried to remove and insert the stick again
10:34:06 <newbie4PA> and it seems, i have the same problem with stellarium (H:\PortableApps\StellariumPortable)
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16:54:35 <pa_4602> hi
16:54:48 <pa_4602> I have a small but annoying problem
16:54:56 <MaienM|Sleep> hello pa_4602, can we help you with something?
16:54:58 *** MaienM|Sleep is now known as MaienM
16:55:14 <pa_4602> well when I open the portable apps suite
16:55:22 <pa_4602> the menu always appears in the centre
16:56:45 <pa_4602> how do I make it appear in the bottom right instead of bottom centre?
16:56:53 <MaienM> hmm, one second I'll start up the platform to see how to fix that
16:58:42 <pa_4602> got anything yet?
16:59:41 <MaienM> pa_4602: have you tried to simply drag the menu back to the bottom right, and then quit it normally (the cross in the bottom right corner of the menu)
17:00:15 <pa_4602> wow, thanks so much!
17:00:24 <pa_4602> I didn't realise that you could drag it
17:00:32 <pa_4602> my problem is fixed, thank you!
17:00:39 <MaienM> no problem, you're welcome :)
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18:05:04 <TimClarki> As a reminder the Web site will be going down for maintenance in 2 hours
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19:28:49 <gluxon> TimClark: I'm pretty sure it's 30 minutes (NY Time).
19:30:03 <TimClark> gluxon: don't be dum, i said that how long ago ?
19:30:22 <gluxon> Oh, sorry. :(
19:36:27 *** Gizmokid2005 changed the topic to: "Welcome to the PortableApps.com support channel. SITE DOWN @3PM EST FOR SCHEDULED MAINTENANCE! | If you need assistance, just say "help!", or ask your question, and WAIT rather than just leaving. | Please don't PM without asking first | This channel is logged: http://nascent-project.org/irc/logs | The #PortableApps IRC rules are here: http://gizmokid2005.com/paircrules Read and abide by"
19:37:30 *** Gizmokid2005 changed the topic to: "Welcome to the PortableApps.com support channel. SITE DOWN @3PM EST FOR SCHED. MAINT! | If you need assistance, just say "help!", or ask your question, and WAIT rather than just leaving. | Please don't PM without asking first | This channel is logged: http://nascent-project.org/irc/logs | The #PortableApps IRC rules are here: http://gizmokid2005.com/paircrules Read and abide by them."
19:59:34 *** Gizmokid2005 changed the topic to: "Welcome to the PortableApps.com support channel. SITE DOWN @4PM EST FOR SCHED. MAINT! | If you need assistance, just say "help!", or ask your question, and WAIT rather than just leaving. | Please don't PM without asking first | This channel is logged: http://nascent-project.org/irc/logs | The #PortableApps IRC rules are here: http://gizmokid2005.com/paircrules Read and abide by them."
20:00:16 <TimClark> As you may note from the topic change it looks like the site is going down at 4PM EST instead of 3
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20:04:53 <MaienM> rcmaehl: if the only reason you ever come in here is promoting your stuff then please just stay away
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21:42:03 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com developer and moderator and works on the PortableApps.com Launcher (please test it!)
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21:49:58 <gringoloco> ChrisMorgan: di you try the ini I try to send you, that is working
21:50:14 <gringoloco> With out empty lines
21:50:47 <ChrisMorgan> gringoloco: I didn't try it; however it really doesn't matter: it should be working, if it's not it needs fixing.
21:51:02 <ChrisMorgan> I emailed Jim and he said he'd look into it when he got to his repository.
21:51:15 <ChrisMorgan> I think it's mainly (if not entirely) a multi-byte issue.
21:51:35 <ChrisMorgan> At the moment I'm preparing to go to Uni... first day today.
21:51:53 <gringoloco> Ok, getting the unicode working is my thing, but !searchreplace is not the problem os the unicode branch, it is the problem of 2.45
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21:52:49 <gringoloco> All it is is the empty line, remove them and it works, ansi or utf-16
21:54:29 <ChrisMorgan> gringoloco: in NSIS 2.45 !searchreplace just doesn't work /at all/.
21:54:47 <gringoloco> it does for me !!!
21:54:49 <ChrisMorgan> In Unicode NSIS 2.45.1, it does something.
21:54:55 <ChrisMorgan> Oh?
21:55:25 <ChrisMorgan> It was reported that it just didn't do anything, and that was my experience with it on the Inkscape installer - I /had/ to go up to 2.46
21:55:44 <gringoloco> Listen, open appinfo.ini, remove the empty lines, save it, and voila it works
21:55:53 <ChrisMorgan> That's not the point.
21:56:05 <ChrisMorgan> It works with NSIS proper, so it should work with Unicode NSIS.
21:56:31 <ChrisMorgan> I don't really care if there's a workaround, and I'm sure Jim Park feels the same way; it needs to be fixed to maintain as full compatibility as possible
21:56:40 <gringoloco> NSISa 2.45 has the same behaviour as NSISu 2.45
21:57:56 <gringoloco> It couldn't be long before he brings out 2.46 (I hope)
21:59:19 <gringoloco> Did you find the problem with ${RunSegment} Core Init
22:08:12 <ChrisMorgan> gringoloco: it's entirely due to !searchreplace
22:08:57 <gringoloco> And due to NSIS proper 2.45, it' not up to JimPark
22:08:59 <ChrisMorgan> Take a look at the SegmentFile macro, you'll see it uses !searchreplace to get the base name of the segment
22:09:16 <gringoloco> Hey,wait
22:10:04 <ChrisMorgan> At first I wondered that, then I decided it was quite a different problem which was being manifested between the two versions, A 2.45 and U 2.45.1.
22:10:46 <ChrisMorgan> A 2.45 was as I recall it causing compilation to fail when !searchreplace was used.
22:10:58 <gringoloco> Ah, now I get you, is this what's making the odd characters
22:11:12 <ChrisMorgan> Yes
22:11:42 <ChrisMorgan> It takes ${__FILE__} (e.g. "Core.nsh")and tries to replace ".nsh" with "" and makes a horrible hash of it
22:12:34 <gringoloco> Could it have anything to do with you not using carriage returns for new lines in your .nsh files
22:13:06 <gringoloco> Normally with new line there should be hex:0D 0A
22:13:19 <gringoloco> Carriage return + New line
22:13:36 <gringoloco> But you just use hex:0A
22:14:09 <gringoloco> Can you follow me?
22:15:19 <ChrisMorgan> gringoloco: it's nothing to do with reading a file.
22:15:25 <ChrisMorgan> That's !searchparse.
22:15:35 <ChrisMorgan> The fact that !searchparse is broken doesn't worry me so much.
22:15:46 <ChrisMorgan> Whereas I depend on !searchreplace.
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22:16:11 <ChrisMorgan> !searchreplace takes a string, and finds another string and replaces it with yet another string in it.
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22:17:21 <gringoloco> You just got this script too complicated,
22:17:44 <ChrisMorgan> It's not too complicated for NSIS to handle...
22:17:44 <gringoloco> it's getting the strings from a .nsh file, isn't it?
22:18:32 <ChrisMorgan> No, it's taking ${__FILE__} (Core.nsh in one instance) and replacing .nsh with "".
22:19:14 <ChrisMorgan> The same result is obtained if you try just `!searchreplace out abc a d` and `!echo out` - it /should/ put out dbc but instead makes a muddle.
22:20:10 <TimClark> Guys at this point you might want to move this to -dev
22:20:52 <gringoloco> How, I'm new with IRC
22:21:13 <TimClark> /join #portableapps-dev
22:22:05 <ChrisMorgan> I think we're finished though.
22:22:14 <ChrisMorgan> And I need to continue my planning for going to Uni
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23:01:57 <mister_> are there any developers right now?
23:02:15 <mister_> i'm looking for poratble firefox developers
23:02:33 <mister_> and the issue I've reported and didn't get any respond
23:02:49 <TimClark> the main dev of FFP is not here right now, where did you report it
23:03:31 <mister_> to press_relations@portableapps.com
23:03:42 <mister_> just as someone adviced me here
23:03:55 <TimClark> when did you do it
23:04:04 <mister_> 21th of january
23:04:25 <Gizmokid2005> mister_: that's not the proper place to post an issue with firefox portable.
23:04:28 <Gizmokid2005> not if you have an issue
23:04:34 <Gizmokid2005> if you have an issue it should be posted on the forums.
23:04:39 <TimClark> Is there a reason you did not want to post it in the fourms?
23:04:55 <mister_> yes: I didn't want to register :(
23:05:03 <Gizmokid2005> mister_: http://portableapps.com/forums/support/firefox_portable there specifically
23:05:16 <TimClark> what, in a nut shell , is the problem mister_ ?
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23:06:04 <mister_> can anyone of u post this issue?
23:06:07 <mister_> just 1 psot
23:06:14 <TimClark> what, in a nut shell , is the problem mister_ ?
23:06:35 <mister_> Here ( http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=1700995&p=8492755#p8492755 ) is described an issue with firefox portable and a new extension that was just developed: it doesn't work correctly for me, as it doesn't ask me for any other path to my profile other than standard one ( %application_data%/Mozilla/ folder),
23:06:48 <mister_> but I have it in another folder and I can't point the extension to use another path, as it probably calls for AppRegD and CurProcD which (in opinion of extension's developer) are decided at compile time, rather than run time.
23:06:57 <mister_> He says that for a portable app, it should be figured out at run time. Could you please take a look at it and to fix it, if possible? In any case, please, email me.
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23:07:33 <TimClark> no, the developer of the extention needs to fix it
23:07:47 <mister_> he said it's a portable firefox's issue
23:08:10 <TimClark> i doubt they will rewrite the ffp launcher to fix one poorly written extention
23:08:27 <TimClark> what does this extenstion do anyway
23:08:44 <mister_> it's a private session window opener with 1 click
23:09:01 <mister_> he said: It would be great if the portableapps folks wrote a fix, rather than me writing a work-around. I'm guessing that directories like AppRegD and CurProcD are decided at compile time, rather than run time. For a portable app, it should be figured out at run time.
23:09:24 <TimClark> as i said, I doubt that they will hack the FFP launher to fix one extension
23:09:30 <mister_> It's also possible that the command-line flags -CreateProfile or -P <profile name> aren't working correctly in portable firefox.
23:09:38 <mister_> dammit, it's a matter of fixing a bug
23:09:42 <Gizmokid2005> mister_: the creator doesn't understand FFP
23:09:43 <ChrisMorgan> mister_: the bug is his
23:09:45 <mister_> not to fit 1 extension
23:09:52 <Gizmokid2005> FFP USES the profile flag to specify
23:09:59 <Gizmokid2005> it's the extension's issue, not FFPs.
23:10:01 <Gizmokid2005> plain and simple
23:10:05 <ChrisMorgan> He's clearly not storing settings or something in the proper profile directory
23:10:07 <mister_> are you sure?
23:10:12 <ChrisMorgan> Absolutely
23:10:14 <Gizmokid2005> Yes mister_.
23:10:19 <Gizmokid2005> It is NOT an issue with FFP.
23:10:28 <Gizmokid2005> It absolutely IS an issue with the extensions
23:10:32 <Gizmokid2005> *extension
23:10:35 <TimClark> mister_: this will entail a good deal of back and forth, I think you should register and post a topic if you think it's that important
23:10:39 <mister_> thx for your replies, but can anyone take a short look into the code of that extension plz?
23:11:11 <TimClark> I am not qualified to do that mister_ , sorry, i'm not a dev
23:11:12 <Gizmokid2005> mister_: it is unlikely
23:11:39 <Gizmokid2005> I can't speak for everyone, but I'd say a majority of the users here do not understand how Mozilla extensions work.
23:12:02 <Gizmokid2005> WAIT
23:12:03 <Gizmokid2005> STOP
23:12:12 <mister_> well, there should be plain XUL inside...
23:12:13 <Gizmokid2005> You see this mister_: http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=8493665&sid=09aa2044cf8e735aac7b527573378dc4#p8493665 ?
23:12:19 <mister_> yeah, just saw that
23:12:24 <Gizmokid2005> that is the creator of FFP.
23:12:25 <mister_> seems like I'm blind
23:12:28 <Gizmokid2005> There is your answer.
23:12:31 <mister_> i didn't notice this answer AT ALL
23:12:32 <mister_> :(
23:12:36 <mister_> my bad
23:12:36 <Gizmokid2005> plain and simple.
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23:13:15 <mister_> :(
23:13:42 <TimClark> good call Gizmokid2005
23:14:07 <mister_> guys, does anyone of you uses miranda, btw?
23:14:13 <Gizmokid2005> He's the developer, nobody here knows any better than he does.
23:14:34 <Gizmokid2005> mister_: I do not.
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23:14:51 <TimClark> nope
23:15:08 <mister_> ok, thanks for help and good luck
23:16:49 <TimClark> take care, and note mister_ that john/critter jumped in the day you sent your email :)
23:17:45 <mister_> yeah, I just didn't notice that he is the developer of portable build, and as I didn't get any respond via email - I thought my message was ignored
23:17:48 <mister_> sorry, my bad
23:17:57 <mister_> good luck, guys
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23:24:34 <TimClark> Gizmokid2005: you are good :D
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23:28:05 <TimClark> This is just too sad http://forums.clamwin.com/viewtopic.php?t=2750
23:28:50 <TimClark> this FP was reported to them, by me yesterday, now they are getting reports in their own forum, and they still have note fixed it
23:30:41 <TimClark> What do they want, a certified letter from Bill Gates
23:31:41 <Gizmokid2005> Most likely TimClark
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23:44:07 <sar3th> hm :|