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01:13:24 <Oni-Neoxes> Darn it. I was ganna try the Steam portable but the Download is down. D:
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01:35:28 <sar3th> Oni-Neoxes, did you read my post about that?
01:35:39 <Oni-Neoxes> about the portable steam?
01:36:12 <sar3th> yes
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01:37:17 <Oni-Neoxes> no
01:37:18 <Oni-Neoxes> why?
01:38:07 <sar3th> because steam it pretty portable by default; the only thing is reg entries
01:38:24 <Oni-Neoxes> lol
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01:43:04 <JohnTHaller> Hola
01:43:13 <ZachThibeau> howdy JohnTHaller
01:43:21 <JohnTHaller> How goes it in here?
01:43:29 <Gizmokid2005> hello JohnTHaller
01:43:33 <ZachThibeau> dunno I just got online myself
01:43:41 <ZachThibeau> been a busy day for me
01:43:54 <Gizmokid2005> it goes...trying to find a good tutorial/how-to on getting vsftpd setup on ubuntu server
01:43:59 <sar3th> hello JohnTHaller
01:44:03 <sar3th> got a second?
01:44:26 <sar3th> oh, i am late
01:44:33 <sar3th> nevermind then :|
01:45:09 <JohnTHaller> ZachThibeau: How so?
01:45:20 <JohnTHaller> sar3th: Late for what?
01:45:37 <ZachThibeau> well work was later than usual and then I had church related activities to attend too
01:45:41 <sar3th> there was a link with spam earlier, but someone took care of it already
01:48:43 <ZachThibeau> so JohnTHaller how was you day?
01:49:10 <JohnTHaller> Long and rough. Only slept 2 hours last night.
01:50:02 <ZachThibeau> hmm sounds like monday morning for me, I had a huge asthma attack and also massive heart burn
01:50:19 <JohnTHaller> Ouch
01:50:36 <ZachThibeau> yeah
01:51:05 <JohnTHaller> ZachThibeau: I'm gonna post PChat and the Perl addon now if that's cool. My schedule has been a bit off, so I didn't get to do it this morning.
01:51:16 <ZachThibeau> yeah not a problem
01:51:43 <ZachThibeau> I'm going to create an installer later tonight for the desktop version
01:52:50 <JohnTHaller> Cool
01:52:52 <ZachThibeau> dunno if I'll do it right away, all depending on what I have cooking
01:53:02 <JohnTHaller> I hear that.
02:03:29 <JohnTHaller> ZachThibeau: Look good? http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/pchat_portable
02:04:18 <ZachThibeau> excellent :)
02:04:41 <JohnTHaller> Ok, just waiting for the Perl add-on to hit the mirrors and I'll post the story. It's already queued.
02:04:53 <ZachThibeau> very nice
02:05:25 <sar3th> :D
02:05:40 <JohnTHaller> I upped the PackageVersion to 1.0.3.6 so it'll update existing test users' installs
02:05:41 <ZachThibeau> my parents are having malware issues, so I need to kill some virus' and spybots
02:05:47 <JohnTHaller> The PA.c Updater I mean
02:05:56 <ZachThibeau> :)
02:06:50 <JohnTHaller> I'm days away from the Updater beta of the Suite and just weeks away from having the app directory fully database driven and translatable.
02:09:09 <JohnTHaller> Ok, Perl just hit the mirrors.
02:09:47 <JohnTHaller> Posted: http://portableapps.com/news/2010-03-03_-_pchat_portable_1.0.3
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02:12:49 <JohnTHaller> Ok, ZachThibeau, you're released and official. Page is up, listed in directory, news story up, listed on front page, SF news release done and it's sitting in the Updater database for when it's released.
02:13:03 <JohnTHaller> And on that note, I am off to relax a bit and go to sleep. Another big day tomorrow.
02:13:25 <ZachThibeau> have a good night sleep
02:17:53 <Gizmokid2005> see ya JohnTHaller :)
02:20:19 <JohnTHaller> Gnight all
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02:24:45 <Oni-Neoxes> congrats ZachThibeau
02:25:35 <Gizmokid2005> congrats ZachThibeau
02:26:06 <ZachThibeau> thanks guys
02:26:16 <ZachThibeau> long time waiting for this moment :)
02:31:39 <sar3th> gz ZachThibeau
02:31:40 <sar3th> :D
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04:25:19 <oliverburn> Is it possible to configure StartPortableApps.exe to look in two directories for Portable Apps?
04:25:48 <oliverburn> I want it to look in the standard 'PortableApps' directory, and another directory called '3rdparty'
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05:23:36 <pa_7678> Good evening. Can somebody help me figure out why PortableApps crashes on me upon startup?
05:25:20 <OliverK> define crash . . . .
05:27:06 <pa_7678> When I execute "StartPortableApps.exe" manually, or through autostart, I get the pop-up that says "PortableApps.com Platform has encountered a problem and needs to close. We are sorry for the inconvenience......." and a bunch of other words. btw, I'm on WinXP
05:27:15 <OliverK> k
05:27:22 <pa_7678> I've tried re-installing, but no luck there
05:27:22 <OliverK> i would need to know the other words
05:27:36 <OliverK> just this computer? or does it do it on others?
05:27:55 <pa_7678> "If you were in the middle of something, the information you were working on might be lost. Please tell Microsoft about this problem"
05:28:05 <pa_7678> And more generic wording
05:28:33 <pa_7678> I've only tried it on one computer. I figured there was a simple answer, such as your thumbdrive isn't supported, you fool.
05:28:45 <OliverK> nope, most curios
05:28:57 <OliverK> it sounds like something's messing with the program itself
05:29:12 <OliverK> have you reinstalled from the same installer? or have you redownloaded?
05:29:22 <pa_7678> same installer. I'll try downloading again
05:29:46 <OliverK> hang on
05:29:47 <OliverK> http://downloads.sourceforge.net/portableapps/PortableApps.com_Platform_Setup_1.6.exe
05:29:56 <OliverK> try that, its the platform only (which you may have)
05:30:16 <OliverK> better to just get that at 2 mb
05:30:22 <OliverK> do the other apps work fine?
05:30:47 <pa_7678> Yeah, I'm just going for the platform version
05:31:00 <OliverK> that'd be it :)
05:31:11 <pa_7678> I haven't downloaded any apps yet
05:31:19 <OliverK> k
05:31:52 <pa_7678> Same result. I just booted up my laptop, and will try it there.
05:32:20 <OliverK> k
05:33:36 <pa_7678> Go figure. It works on my laptop.
05:33:41 <pa_7678> Thanks for the help Oliver!
05:34:42 <OliverK> k, i'd run a virus check of some sort
05:34:46 <OliverK> on the other
05:34:54 <OliverK> make reboot :)
05:34:58 <OliverK> anyway, your welcome
05:35:02 <OliverK> have a good night :)
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05:46:09 <pa_3082> Strange. So, it worked when I installed it on my laptop (Vista). But when I eject the drive, then plug it back in, it crashes
05:46:28 <pa_3082> But Vista gives me more detailed crash data
05:46:44 <pa_3082> Exception Code: c0000005
05:46:45 <Bensawsome> wait vista crashes or the portablle apps menu does?
05:46:59 <pa_3082> Sorry, Vista is fine, but the portableapps crashes
05:47:16 <pa_3082> Exception offset: 0018fe0c
05:47:19 <Bensawsome> did you properly eject it?
05:47:34 <Bensawsome> ie you shut all programs down
05:47:37 <pa_3082> Yup, I used the little eject button on the portableapps popup
05:47:44 <Bensawsome> ok good
05:47:54 <Bensawsome> hmm
05:48:06 <Bensawsome> not sure at the moment :S
05:48:16 <Bensawsome> i dont have vista plus i dont use portable apps anymore
05:48:39 <Bensawsome> its a little late so some people might not be on :/
05:48:50 <pa_3082> It's cool, I'll try again tomorrow. Thanks
05:49:08 <Bensawsome> k :) have a nice nite
05:49:15 <Bensawsome> you could always post in the forums too
05:49:17 <pa_3082> thanks, u2
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05:49:28 <Bensawsome> based on what u said it doesnt sound like a common problem
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06:26:12 <OliverK> i'm stumped
06:26:20 <OliverK> i think he's got something in the system
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09:33:48 <pins> @ChrisMorgan: Hi! Are you here? Can we talk a little? I have couple of questions.
09:34:11 <ChrisMorgan> pins: sure
09:36:51 <pins> @ChrisMorgan: we talk for about 2 weeks about a automatic update possibility. You suggested to use upcomming platform updater, and meanwhile to install platform and portable applications in the x:\PortableApps\ directory, so installers\menu\updater can easyly find them. Last week I had a possibility to do so.
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09:43:21 <pins_> @ChrisMorgan:I created a new directory PortableApps on c: and installed OO, Tb and InfRecorder. The installers found this new directory automaticaly, as you describe. But as I try to install platform (and only platform), it try to install to the root of the c:
09:43:49 <ChrisMorgan> pins_: that's because it creates the Documents and PortableApps directories
09:43:56 <pins_> @ChrisMorgan: I was dumped from the chat. Did you get my first message?
09:44:00 <ChrisMorgan> Yep
09:44:32 <ChrisMorgan> Installing it in the root of C: will work fine, so long as the permissions are good
09:44:39 <ChrisMorgan> Are you on XP?
09:46:20 <pins_> @ChrisMorgan: thats OK. but it also put some autoplay.inf, one icon and one executable directtly in the root. It would be OK on the USB-stick or flash card. But not on the HDD patition. I mean I can coupe with 2 directories and eventally delete the documents one if I on't need it. but thouse 3 files.
09:46:32 <ChrisMorgan> autorun.inf
09:46:57 <ChrisMorgan> It doesn't put an icon in the root
09:47:12 <pins_> @ChrisMorgan:yep it is XP and yep it is autorun.inf, just misspeled it.
09:47:14 <ChrisMorgan> Just Autorun.inf and StartPortableApps.exe
09:47:42 <ChrisMorgan> You can delete those files and the Documents directory if you don't want them (the Documents, Pictures, Music and Videos then won't work in the Platform)
09:49:24 <pins_> @ChrisMorgan: It was to risky for my to agree with default destination (c:) so I put it in the same directory as any other portable (I selected c:\POrtableApps\ in platform installer).
09:50:17 <ChrisMorgan> That will then mean that you have C:\PortableApps\PortableApps\PortableApps.com. You should move that up a directory to C:\PortableApps\PortableApps.com.
09:51:08 <pins_> @ChrisMorgan: I think, that icon is somewhere else, but autorun.inf points on this icon anyway. I am not sure, that autorun.inf on the HDD is OK and wouldn't lead to some side effects. Or am I wrong here anyhow?
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09:51:29 <ChrisMorgan> pins_: on the boot hard disk autorun.inf can't do anything
09:51:44 <ChrisMorgan> The icon it points to is PortableApps\PortableApps.com\App\icons\usb.ico or something like that
09:52:45 <pins_> @ChrisMorgan: yes, it looks like this(icon). And on any other, not bootable but internal HDD partitions? D: for ex.?
09:53:12 <ChrisMorgan> Not entirely certain. If it's there at the start it won't autorun anything but /may/ change the icon.
09:56:12 <pins_> Ok. so here are 2 questions: I can erase these 2 files (.inf and .exe) after instalation and every platform update, with no side effects for platform and portables. But is there any way to not even instal them? Autodetection because it is a non-romovable drive or some kind of checkbox? Because there is no use for these 2 files on non-removeables, isn't it?
10:01:39 <ChrisMorgan> StartPortableApps.exe might still be useful.
10:01:57 <ChrisMorgan> Autorun.inf though... well, it gives you a name in the PortableApps.com Menu
10:02:12 <pins_> next quetion: for portables installers itself, the <some drive>:\PortableApps\ directory is default. So anything installed in this directory will be found and youtomaticaly updated next time without changing the directory manually every time, right? But for platform installer, the root of the drive is a default destination, so it looks for the root and \PortableApps\ for default instalation and updates?
10:03:40 <ChrisMorgan> The Platform installer creates a $INSTDIR\PortableApps\PortableApps.com directory which is where the Platform goes; for you, $INSTDIR is C:, so that becomes C:\PortableApps\PortableApps.com, which is what you want.
10:03:47 <ChrisMorgan> Simply put: yes
10:05:11 <pins_> StartPortableApps? for what? I can make a direct shortcut to the exe in the \PortableApps\PortableApps.com\. It is a question anyway, how to start this thing if there is no a) autostart because the drive isn't removeable and b) there is no Start entries and shortcuts on the desctop
10:07:53 <ChrisMorgan> I mean that it could potentially still be useful to some people.
10:08:08 <ChrisMorgan> C:\PortableApps\PortableApps.com\PortableApps.comMenu.exe or something like that
10:09:11 <pins_> I need platform primary bacause of 2 things: a) it is an easy way to start the applications without to have navigate to the directory of every application or make a shortcuts for each one(menu); b)autoupdater will be there, when it will be done
10:11:29 <pins_> What is the purpose of the StartPortableApps.exe? Just to be pointed in the autorun.inf and to kickstart the real platform menu?
10:11:36 <ChrisMorgan> Yep
10:11:42 <ChrisMorgan> All it does is launch that.
10:14:04 <pins_> So why not just point to the Menu.exe directly?
10:15:44 <ChrisMorgan> Many people won't be able to use the autorun feature, and so it's simpler to "StartPortableApps" in the root than look for the file manually.
10:15:55 <ChrisMorgan> It makes sense when autorun is disabled so often, and always on 7.
10:18:46 <pins_> so on "7" one simply have to go to the root and start this small one instead of looking deep in the drive directory structure? even on the flash card?
10:20:11 <ChrisMorgan> That's the main idea
10:20:19 <ChrisMorgan> And people that close the autorun window or don't get it
10:22:41 <pins_> So it would be better to leave it here anyway, because even in the root of HDD partition it make no harm but can be very usefull?
10:23:05 <ChrisMorgan> I'd say so
10:27:55 <pins_> OK, I try to make a summary. I talk about non-portable instalation, so one install it on the HDD, not on some removable drive. It can be easyly transfered later, but this is not a main purpose. And I want to have the instalation procces as easy as it can be, so even stupid one can do it. So it shoudl be this way: download and install the platform first. The default sugestion is c:\ and one should agree with it. This stepp laso
10:31:05 <ChrisMorgan> Your line was truncated at "This stepp laso"
10:31:38 <pins_> This stepp laso creates a c:\PortableApps\ directory. then you can download any portables and
10:31:54 <pins_> instal them. They would suggest c:\portableApps\ as a default, also agree. This way all portables will apear in menu. now you can put shortcut to the "StartPortableApps" on the desktop or in the startmenu (even in autorun folder)
10:32:03 <pins_> for having possibility to start platform quickly. If any updates apear, they will be done correctly, because we choose to install to the default destionation (both platform and all apps). so all you need
10:32:36 <pins_> to update is download the update exe and run it, telling ok everywhere.
10:34:31 <ChrisMorgan> Yep, that should be it
10:35:22 <pins_> I just try to make an easy to follow instalation and update workflow, so I can even make it on the telephone. ;-)
10:37:43 <pins_> Would it be possible to make an option (checkbox or question or anything else) to make some shortcuts in the platform installer? So one will not have to do it itself?
10:40:35 <ChrisMorgan> No; we design for portability, so to almost all of our users that would be the very opposite of what they wanted.
10:42:51 <pins_> OK, so for non-portable instalation one have to make a shortcut manually, point.
10:44:07 <pins_> Is it possible to start the menu througth the context menu of the drive, even if it isn't removable drive?
10:46:00 <ChrisMorgan> It's still portable, but local.
10:46:07 <ChrisMorgan> Not sure
10:46:54 <pins_> ok, let me just try next time. Any information about updater progress? will it be delivered with 2.0 Platform or later?
10:48:19 <ChrisMorgan> It's still due in 2.0.
10:50:44 <pins_> It isn't forbiden to use the portable in this not so much portable way?
10:51:50 <ChrisMorgan> It's not not portable.
10:51:59 <ChrisMorgan> It's using them locally. That can be a very useful way of using them.
10:52:09 <ChrisMorgan> They're still portable, self-contained, etc.
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11:06:48 <pins_> @ChrisMorgan Thank you for your help. I will test it next time. And if I'll hav esome question, then I can ask them here, right?
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12:31:54 <AGGELOS> hi i am looking for "k-lite mega pac" in portable version...Do you know where can i find it ?
12:35:25 <AGGELOS> test
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17:08:28 <Darkbee> Pretty sure this: http://portableapps.com/node/22862 isn't cool. :)
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17:16:23 <pa_6025> help!
17:16:23 <GizmoBot> pa_6025: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
17:16:37 <pa_6025> how do I add a folder to the list?
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17:20:33 <Darkbee> fire!
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17:26:25 <ZachThibeau> Darkbee: howdy :D
17:26:51 <ZachThibeau> welcome finally to the PortableApps.com IRC channel
17:29:23 <Darkbee> thx
17:29:31 <Darkbee> :)
17:29:36 <Darkbee> Just hanging out for a bit
17:29:55 <ZachThibeau> tis what most people do around here :P
17:30:04 <ZachThibeau> prapper: nice comment about the trousers btw :P
17:30:05 <Darkbee> I thought you were taking a break from cyber life for a while?
17:30:23 <ZachThibeau> I'm back actually, I'm just lazy to say that I was
17:30:54 <ZachThibeau> can't keep a coder away from a computer
17:30:56 <Darkbee> hehe...welcome back. :)
17:31:11 <Darkbee> can't keep a human away from breathable air. ;)
17:31:24 <prapper> ZachThibeau
17:31:28 <ZachThibeau> lol too true
17:31:39 <prapper> glad you liked that one :-)
17:31:45 <ZachThibeau> :P
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17:39:36 <Darkbee> Mir! How's the AssaultCube tourney going? :D
17:47:11 <Mir> horrible
17:47:21 <Mir> how the *@&$ do you play this %*&@
17:47:29 <Mir> =_=
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17:47:43 <Mir> anyways i stayed up too late last night playing freeciv
17:48:10 <Darkbee> We all have our guilty pleasures. :)
17:48:10 <Mir> to the point where when i went to get some music going on my *nix box it would not work
17:48:15 <Mir> no sound at all
17:48:21 <Darkbee> :O
17:48:48 <Mir> i spent the next 2 hours working on it so i could listen to the lulling sounds of HEAVY METAL!!!
17:48:50 <Darkbee> You gotta love Linux.... wonderful operating system.. just so mysterious sometimes. :)
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17:49:31 <Mir> d(-.-)b <-- me asleep listening to Dimmu Borgir
17:51:26 <Darkbee> :)
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17:54:44 <Mir> oh dear
17:54:52 <Mir> i have 3 minutes to get to work
17:54:57 <Mir> >.>
17:55:02 <Mir> oh welllll
17:55:07 * Mir rolls eyes
17:56:58 <Darkbee> You're fired!!
18:02:51 <Darkbee> ima bee fired too if I don't get back to work...
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18:47:35 <marlop> hi all
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20:25:58 * rcmaehl has an Idea for the PortableApps Backup.
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20:26:55 <rcmaehl> An autoback-up option that backs up only the files that have changed since the last time the USB drive was connected to the PC
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20:28:39 <Gizmokid2005> hello SteveLamerton, MaienM
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21:15:07 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is awsome and is currently working on a super cool media player called musicplay3000 aka mp3k
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21:41:43 <Grant_> Hi, can I get some help with something?
21:42:06 <OliverK> sure
21:42:59 <Grant_> I recently reinstalled windows 7, and my new, (lame/cheap) flash drive has some problem with portableapps.
21:43:21 <Grant_> The PA start menu shows up in the taskbar where all the windows are.
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21:44:36 <Grant_> Should I try reinstalling the platform?
21:44:44 <OliverK> i think that is be design
21:44:48 <OliverK> you might try the bet
21:44:50 <OliverK> beta*
21:45:20 <OliverK> let me find you a lin
21:45:23 <OliverK> link*
21:45:57 <Grant_> Would i have to install all the individual apps again? Or could I just delete the PortableApps.com folder in the program files on the drive?
21:46:07 <Grant_> And install the beta.
21:46:12 <OliverK> http://portableapps.com/node/22443
21:46:17 <OliverK> nope, just install over it
21:46:20 <OliverK> you'll be fine :)
21:46:44 <Grant_> alright, cool. Thanks
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22:00:50 <GizmoBot> sar3th is currently busy with KDE for Windows (Portable)
22:02:00 <sar3th> i get said error message
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22:20:28 <GizmoBot> SergentSiler is a PortableApps.com Menu Themer, his theme website is http://silerhost.site50.net
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