IRC Log from 2010-03-07
00:10:57 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> gluxon: 5 edits is a bit excessive don't you think?
00:11:02 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> That's what the preview button is for.
00:11:36 <gluxon> I'm a bit afraid somebody's going to reply to it, then I can't edit at all. I'm done though.
00:11:42 <TimClark> gluxon: just so you know, i just got a complaint from some subscribed to that topic, he gets an email every time you edit it, and he is annoyed at this poing
00:12:15 <TimClark> gluxon: if you don't stop, " I " will reply and end it there
00:13:35 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> gluxon: I understand you want it right, but for the love of GOOD forum etiquette use preview FIRST.
00:15:19 <TimClark> and now he is locked out
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00:58:12 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is awsome and is currently working on a super cool media player called musicplay3000 aka mp3k
00:58:34 <ZachThibeau> howdy TimClark and all
01:00:31 <TimClark> hello ZachThibeau
01:01:02 <ZachThibeau> I take it every one is doing alright this saturday
01:01:39 <TimClark> Some support, some reprimands, some silly stuff
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01:51:16 <TimClark> Greeting oh great Op Emeritus rmccue
01:51:28 <rmccue> O hai.
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02:10:29 <sar3th> aw
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02:26:44 <GizmoBot> SergentSiler is a PortableApps.com Menu Themer, his theme website is http://silerhost.site50.net
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02:59:30 <GizmoBot> computerfreaker is working on KidSafe and TopOCR, and would very much like to have folks test them and give feedback
03:01:02 <computerfreaker> Question for you guys: am I better off working from my USB stick or my HD?
03:01:33 <computerfreaker> (I know that's a very open-ended question; that's deliberate, as I want to see what your opinions are)
03:01:39 <TimClark> HD
03:02:12 <TimClark> oh, wait, for kidsafe usb stick
03:02:54 <computerfreaker> if that's a hint, I promise I'm working on it and have been for some time
03:03:42 <TimClark> other than that, HD for general testing, usb stick for portability after the features are set
03:03:57 <computerfreaker> ok, thanks
03:04:50 <TimClark> it will just be faster
03:05:26 <computerfreaker> ok. I'd been trying to balance speed vs. portability and see which was more important, but I wasn't sure
03:06:00 <TimClark> and if you are wanting to test speed on a usb stick, DON'T use a very fast one, use a MED for testing
03:06:55 <computerfreaker> my USB stick is actually fairly slow (probably standard for an 8 GB stick), so it's probably a decent speed tester
03:07:54 <TimClark> An I am talking about you testing your own apps, once folks are testing for you, they should be using a flash drive as portability questions should be addressed once you have public testing
03:08:27 <computerfreaker> ok, thanks for the suggestion
03:10:54 <TimClark> "speed vs. portability and see which was more important" nothing is more important then portability
03:11:17 <TimClark> if it's not portable, it does not matter how fast it is
03:11:23 <computerfreaker> actually, I meant "speed vs. taking the app from one machine to another with as little fuss as possible" - I'm only using portable apps
03:13:12 <computerfreaker> the kicker is that I have 2.39 GB of portable apps, so copying from the HD to my USB stick takes a couple of hours; that's what sparked my question in the first place
03:17:10 <TimClark> do you have 2.39 GB of portable apps or are you TESTING 2.39 GB of portable apps ?
03:17:53 <computerfreaker> I have (and use) 2.39 GB; that's not counting the ones I'm portabilizing/developing
03:18:21 <TimClark> If you are happy using them on your HD leave them their, only transfer the one you are testing for portability
03:19:03 <computerfreaker> ok, will do
03:19:43 <computerfreaker> right now, I've got probably the best solution: all of my apps live on the HD, but I keep copies of a dozen or so favorite apps on the USB stick
03:20:43 <TimClark> that's pretty typical
03:21:25 <computerfreaker> works well, too - my laptop's in for repairs, so I'm giving my USB stick & my setup a good workout
03:21:34 <TimClark> All my apps are on both my HD and my stick, but I only use the ones on the stick if i have too
03:22:25 <TimClark> And since they are all on my work machine too, i rarely need to use the copy on the stick, unless i'm testing
03:23:22 <TimClark> Except for some of my security programs of course
03:23:48 <TimClark> Some will only run from the stick
03:24:22 <computerfreaker> hmm, I thought it was the other way around for security apps - don't most only run properly when they're locally installed?
03:24:46 <TimClark> U3 and stuff like that can't be run w/o the stick
03:25:09 <computerfreaker> oh, ok
03:25:45 <TimClark> I don't know about "properly" as you say it, but they were intended to not run from the HD in the first place
03:26:03 <TimClark> except for one app i have, which will remain nameless
03:26:16 <computerfreaker> I was talking about things like Avast!, MBAM, AVG, etc.
03:26:34 <TimClark> Avast for U3 runs perfectly fine
03:26:49 <TimClark> I run it 3 times a week
03:27:35 <computerfreaker> cool, I'll have to check that out. I thought Avast! only worked when it was installed
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03:29:40 <computerfreaker> Hi rmccue!
03:29:46 <rmccue> Hi.
03:31:32 <gluxon> WB rmccue :)
03:32:07 <sar3th> i remember, there was a avira cli version somewhere, maybe someone could make a simple gui for it?
03:32:54 <gluxon> sar3th: I'll do it if you update MinGW Portable :P
03:33:18 <TimClark> /maki/sushi break
03:33:21 <gluxon> Link?
03:33:23 <sar3th> gluxon: -dev
03:33:24 <computerfreaker> sar3th: got a link handy? Maybe this: http://www.avira.com/en/support/support_downloads.html
03:33:39 <sar3th> yes computerfreaker
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03:33:45 <sar3th> Avira AntiVir command line scanner (unicode for Windows 2000, XP and Vista)
03:34:01 <sar3th> plus the VDF found here: http://www.avira.com/en/support/vdf_update.html
03:34:13 <sar3th> but actually, i was referring to ME with my someone ;)
03:34:25 <computerfreaker> lol, ok
03:34:30 <computerfreaker> I'd be happy to take a shot at it, though
03:35:01 <TimClark> read the page carefully, it may not be what you think it is
03:35:16 <TimClark> @ computerfreaker:
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03:37:01 <computerfreaker> TimClark: looks like just a standard command-line interface, right? Pass the file path and it's scanned? (I haven't downloaded it or used it, so I'm just guessing at this point)
03:38:18 <sar3th> the vdf link i provided was not the right one
03:38:41 <sar3th> and yes, i think that's the way it works; i think what tim meant was the license file part
03:39:28 <computerfreaker> I know Avira has a free version; this is probably free too, or at least a demo, given there's not even a GUI to work with
03:39:50 <sar3th> "The command line scanner will not work as a full version with the free classic license. It will run in non key mode"
03:41:29 <sar3th> which means it will not scan subdirectories, as suggested by this message: "AVCLS is running in non-key-mode. Scanning within subdirectories is not possible."
03:43:56 <TimClark> What I meant was it is not a full featured virus scanner
03:44:21 <TimClark> ie, all files and directories, full database, etc
03:44:38 <sar3th> TimClark: from what i can tell, it is
03:44:44 <TimClark> it seems like a selection of specific tools
03:45:01 <sar3th> except that it is not recursive
03:45:11 <sar3th> "We offer Avira AntiVir Command-line Scanner so that you can use AntiVir at the command prompt in order to scan your files faster."
03:45:31 <TimClark> well, that's kinda important sar3th if your scanning a hard drive, the non recursive park
03:45:50 <sar3th> if you want to scan one file, it is not
03:45:54 <sar3th> but i see your point
03:46:04 <computerfreaker> recursion is pretty easy to do in most programming languages, though, and we'd need to break out the programming IDE anyway for making a GUI
03:46:19 <TimClark> ok, I thought folks were looking for something more robost
03:47:14 <TimClark> /back to sushi
03:47:35 <sar3th> enjoy TimClark :)
03:47:41 <computerfreaker> have fun, TimClark!
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04:26:25 <gluxon> I have to go.
04:26:29 <gluxon> Bye guys.
04:27:05 <computerfreaker> bye gluxon!
04:27:36 <sar3th> bye gluxon
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08:57:44 <kieran> what dose the platform do?
08:57:53 <kieran> help
08:58:39 <kieran> Help!
09:13:29 <kieran> me poo
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10:30:44 <chid> minefield!
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11:53:20 <MaienM> chid: what do you mean, minefield?
12:25:26 <chid> I'm waiting for that to come up
12:25:53 <chid> http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable/test
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15:30:39 <SteveLamerton> Hello everyone!
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15:42:45 <JohnTHaller> For anybody who's been waiting on Firefox 3.7 Alpha 2 to play with: http://portableapps.com/news/2010-03-07_-_mozilla_developer_preview_3.7_alpha_2
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18:24:09 <TimClark> hello, I see rcmaehl just left, does anyone know what he means by his reply http://portableapps.com/node/22905#comment-144389 ?
18:24:37 <TimClark> I am thinking he only saw the zip and did not see the paf.exe ?
18:25:18 <sar3th> that would be possible
18:25:58 <TimClark> otherwise I'm not sure what he's asking about, a nonpaf.exe ? Why would the OP want that ?
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18:26:53 <TimClark> weatherkid: did you first post a zip w/o the paf.exe and add the paf.exe later ?
18:27:20 <weatherkid> They are both on Google Code and have been for a few hours
18:27:24 <TimClark> I'm sure when I first read the post, and before he replied, that it was there
18:27:56 <TimClark> weatherkid: do you have any idea what he might mean ?
18:28:09 <weatherkid> Maybe a installer for the non-portable app?
18:28:26 <TimClark> that would be silly
18:28:38 <weatherkid> rcmaehl, you there?
18:28:53 <TimClark> weatherkid: he is not here
18:29:31 <weatherkid> TimClark, ok
18:29:50 <TimClark> anyway, since you have updated the topic with the requested information I will be removing my comment, and his, shortly
18:30:07 <weatherkid> and BTW, can I use the logs online to make channel stats?
18:30:26 <TimClark> .def StatBot
18:30:27 <GizmoBot> TimClark: Sorry, but I don't know about StatBot
18:30:41 <weatherkid> I think that is what make the logs
18:31:07 <TimClark> odd, ? weatherkid that is what statbot does, but i can't find the link to ben's page
18:31:26 <TimClark> the logs are made by palogbot
18:31:54 <TimClark> I don't think we need another statics page weatherkid
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18:32:51 <TimClark> also there were questions about the one we have now, so best to let it be
18:33:05 <marlop> his stats site have been down for a few days
18:33:16 <marlop> www.ircstats.info
18:34:08 <TimClark> ty marlop
18:34:23 <marlop> :)
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18:34:56 <TimClark> anyway, when it was first being set up days were spent talking about it, it's really not that important
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18:36:38 <TimClark> Bensawsome: what's up with StatBot and the stats page ?
18:39:43 <Bensawsome> TimClark im attempting to transfer ircstats.info and the registrar is just not cooperating... :/
18:40:18 <TimClark> ty for replying, do you think they will be back in say a week?
18:41:01 <Bensawsome> at this rate i really dont know :/
18:41:06 <Bensawsome> i will change the links though...
18:41:11 <Bensawsome> one sec
18:41:31 <TimClark> perhaps you should remove the bot for a while then Bensawsome , until it serves a purpose ?
18:41:36 <Bensawsome> ya prbly
18:41:41 <Bensawsome> hmmmm
18:42:02 <Bensawsome> gimme a little bit and ill try and update the links so it will be useful
18:42:50 <TimClark> you might want to temporally edit your .def IF you do decide to take the bot down for a while, and note I said "IF"
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18:56:20 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is awsome and is currently working on a super cool media player called musicplay3000 aka mp3k
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19:05:56 <Bensawsome> now it should give the correct url...
19:06:10 <Bensawsome> StatBot: url
19:06:23 <Bensawsome> yep :D
19:06:23 <TimClark> Bensawsome: please test in -ot
19:06:26 <Bensawsome> oh sry
19:07:43 <weatherkid> ok, i am patching WinBot Portable
19:08:33 <TimClark> weatherkid: explain
19:08:50 <weatherkid> gluxon, is helping me with the launcher glitch
19:09:34 <TimClark> ok, but try to do some background testing before posting, updating the topic several times a day just looks bad
19:12:40 <weatherkid> say, I was just thinking, could we use a TeamSpeak server for support/development stuff?
19:13:00 <TimClark> NO
19:13:05 <weatherkid> sorry
19:13:28 <TimClark> asking someone to let you take control of their machine is forbbiden
19:13:50 <TimClark> If you screw up big time we would look very very bad
19:14:15 <sar3th> teamspeak is not remote control TimClark
19:14:27 <weatherkid> No, it's would be on my server
19:14:38 <weatherkid> what she said
19:14:38 <TimClark> sorry, i'm confusing it with something else, my bad
19:14:55 <sar3th> no problem
19:15:08 <sar3th> teamspeak is a software which allows voice conferencing
19:15:26 <TimClark> what was that thing I was thinking of that someone, i think Wes, wanted to use
19:15:58 <sar3th> teamviewer or vnc maybe?
19:16:38 <weatherkid> TimClark, anyways, can we?
19:16:42 <TimClark> well, if teamviewer can let you remote control a machine, THAT would be it
19:16:43 <weatherkid> ReactOS uses it
19:17:08 <TimClark> teamviewer teamspeak, easy mistake to make :P
19:17:44 <TimClark> I would double check with MaienM and Gizmokid2005 about it
19:18:02 <TimClark> don't like the idea at first glance
19:18:10 <weatherkid> MaienM, Gizmokid2005, you seeing this?
19:18:16 <MaienM> I am
19:18:16 <sar3th> teamviewer is exactly that TimClark, a remote control application
19:18:22 <MaienM> I personally dislike the idea
19:18:24 <TimClark> only those folks who joined would know what was going on
19:18:58 <MaienM> not everyone who gets in here is a native english speaker, and not all people offering support are either
19:19:01 <TimClark> so, if you were giving crap support, which happens a lot around here, no would would know and be able to correct you
19:19:20 <weatherkid> TimClark, it would only be ment for dev usage mainly
19:19:42 <TimClark> no problem with that at all weatherkid , but you did mention support
19:19:44 <MaienM> and yes, no logs would be a disadvantage too, since we have to keep an eye on what happens in here
19:20:19 <weatherkid> Well, we can always play with it, and if we don't like it, we can it
19:20:29 <weatherkid> **we can can it
19:20:30 <sar3th> i think what weatherkid wants is a "from dev to dev" conversation
19:20:36 <weatherkid> yes
19:21:08 <TimClark> weatherkid: you should discuss that in -dev, as long as it's not here it is not my concern
19:21:42 <TimClark> If any 2 devs what to do that that is their business
19:21:50 <TimClark> want*
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19:38:25 <SteveLamerton> Hello Gizmokid2005, MaienM, TimClark, ZachThibeau, all
19:38:54 <rcmaehl> Hi SteveLamerton
19:38:56 <MaienM> hello SteveLamerton
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19:40:20 <TimClark> rcmaehl: your comment in the WinBot Portable topic does not make sense, it will be deleted unless you can explain what you mean
19:40:26 <TimClark> and hello SteveLamerton
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19:40:51 <rcmaehl> TimClark: ok
19:41:15 <TimClark> why would he need a .exe instead of a paf.exe ?
19:42:19 <rcmaehl> TimClark: I meant does he have a .exe as well
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19:44:07 <TimClark> explain, why would he need to, he is making a portableapp, it needs to be in the paf format
19:44:45 <TimClark> of course he has the original .exe , he would have to
19:44:51 <rcmaehl> I would like to install it to my PC
19:45:11 <TimClark> you comment is being deleted
19:45:18 <TimClark> you need to get that on your own
19:45:42 <gluxon> rcmaehl: weatherkid posted it. It's over here --> http://www.winbot.org/
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19:46:06 <TimClark> and you did not ask him for it , you asked if he had one and told him he could make one
19:46:35 <TimClark> and so you comment is just confusing
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19:47:52 <rcmaehl> TimClark: I got an access denied trying to delete my post
19:48:40 <TimClark> you can't delete your own posts, I already did it
19:48:55 <TimClark> you can only edit, only a mod can delete
19:49:08 <rcmaehl> Strange
19:49:13 <TimClark> not at all
19:49:58 <TimClark> if you deleted your own comment what would happen to the replies to it
19:50:11 <TimClark> they would be gone, we don't give you that kind of power
19:50:51 * rcmaehl edited his MySql So the comments won't be delete we people did that on his site
19:51:04 <rcmaehl> sorry -ot*
19:52:47 <TimClark> /rcmaehl is NOT PA.c
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20:05:48 <TimClark> hello markomlm :D just dropping by, or can we help you with stuff :P
20:06:58 <markomlm> ;-) Just dropping but I'm alway interessted in good new stuff ;-)
20:08:06 <TimClark> not much happening in here today, some new topics in the forum that have been commented on, that's about it
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20:09:18 <TimClark> and I will be leaving shortly as we are at full op strength and I only dropped in to check on a comment
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20:12:56 <markomlm> TimClark: I'm not amuses about the new fals positivs thx to McAfee
20:13:02 <markomlm> amused
20:13:31 <TimClark> not sure what you mean markomlm ?
20:14:03 <TimClark> I take FPs in stride, check , report, gets fixed
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20:14:23 <GizmoBot> MaienM is MaienM. He is the developer of The Mana World Portable, and he has a website at http://mmfail.co.cc/
20:14:43 <TimClark> I have so many malware checkers that I expect at least one FP from one of them at least once every 2 weeks
20:15:16 <markomlm> I'm not amused about the count of false positives caused by the lausy heuritic scan engine
20:15:29 <sar3th> :(
20:15:38 <TimClark> turn off heuristics ?
20:15:52 <sar3th> i read that avira will have a major update this week which includes behaviour-based checking
20:16:03 <markomlm> I have no problems ;-)
20:16:28 <markomlm> I mean the posts about the false positives
20:16:49 <TimClark> gotcha markomlm , care to link to the latest one ?
20:19:36 <TimClark> I actually like heuristics, you just have to remember that you have it activated and that it will increase the possibility of FPs
20:20:31 <markomlm> :-)
20:21:17 <TimClark> currently it is the only way to catch newly released malware
20:22:08 <markomlm> You're right
20:22:22 <TimClark> Now , if we could just punish malware writers with death, that might solve the problem
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20:23:36 <TimClark> Someday, some AW is going to write a virus that brings down a plane or in someway causes a lot of deaths, and then we will come up with some real punishments
20:29:40 <markomlm> LOL: Better idea could be to put them all together in a room/plan controled by an infectd system, lets say a submarine in a depht of abour 300 feet
20:32:54 <markomlm> bye for now :-)
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20:34:10 <TimClark> chatzilla, i used to use that :/
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22:26:44 <Usbtastic> Hi, Does anyone know of any good software for monitoring USB throughput in real-time? (open-source preferred)
22:32:38 <sar3th> Usbtastic: please wait, i recall reading about one...
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22:38:48 <sar3th> i canno find the article anymore :(
22:38:55 <sar3th> you could try http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.withopf.com%2Ftools%2Fhdiskperf%2F&langpair=de%7Cen
22:39:53 <sar3th> but that app is in german i think
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22:46:53 <Usbtastic> sar3th: thanks for the info
22:50:11 <weatherkid> sar3th, padevteamspeak.kicks-ass.org
22:53:34 <sar3th> weatherkid: 12 Dark Secrets Teamspeak server! ?
22:53:41 <sar3th> uhm wrong channel, sorry
22:54:21 <weatherkid> sar3th, it's TS3
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23:02:38 <pa_4196> hello was curious if anyone has insights on if / why shell integration of WinMerge portable is not working?
23:02:42 <pa_4196> i'm on Win7
23:02:47 <pa_4196> not sure if ever worked though
23:05:34 *** pa_4196 is now known as transcender
23:06:00 <Usbtastic> doesn't work for me either (Vista 32bit). I'm also not sure if it ever worked.
23:06:41 <transcender> it would be really great it if did, google search and otherwise seems to indicate it does but not certain if 'portable' I tried editing INI / reg but still no
23:07:19 <transcender> its a big feature for me; big win to get to work again :P
23:07:25 <sar3th> i'm not sure if it's possible
23:07:25 <transcender> or ever that is
23:07:41 <sar3th> i think it registers some activex dll or similar in the registry
23:08:03 <sar3th> shell extension in a portable app is pretty much a no-go
23:08:04 <Usbtastic> 7-zip Portable shell integration works ok
23:09:11 <Usbtastic> (but needs to be enabled in the options)
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23:14:29 <TimClark> transcender: shell intergration is avoided in Most of our apps
23:15:43 <transcender> @TimClark ok thanks tim guess just wanted to ensure i didnt have to chase my tail
23:16:17 <transcender> usually i'm not a big fan of cluttering my context menu either but that w/ WinMerge would be pretty desireable for me...appreciate the feedbakc
23:16:45 <sar3th> suggestion: install it locally
23:17:57 <transcender> yes thats obviously another option. Just not clearly defined if it worked or not; so just looking for feedback if it was and it was me or some other misconfiguration
23:18:20 <transcender> if its not supposed/going to work, thats ok i can move on
23:18:54 <Usbtastic> transcender: i havent tested it but try this:
23:19:15 <Usbtastic> open in test editor: X:\PortableApps\WinMergePortable\Data\settings\winmerge.reg
23:19:32 <Usbtastic> change these lines: Line 7: "ContextMenuEnabled"=dword:00000000
23:19:32 <Usbtastic> Line 129: "DirViewEnableShellContextMenu"=dword:00000000
23:19:52 <Usbtastic> maybe dword=:00000001 will work....
23:20:27 <sar3th> i don't think that'll solve the problem, as the shell extensions in explorer have to be registerd somewhere else
23:20:44 <sar3th> and the launcher will probably not take care of them
23:20:55 <transcender> the first i had 00000003 the other is a 1
23:24:17 <Usbtastic> i tried it and it doesnt work. sorry :-(
23:24:44 <transcender> nope i appreciate the feedback and efforts gents
23:25:02 <TimClark> Usbtastic: CrystalDiskMark
23:25:25 <TimClark> Yahoo is your friend :D
23:27:53 <weatherkid> TimClark, the TeamSpeak3 server is up if you want to play with it. . .
23:28:00 <TimClark> nope
23:28:05 <weatherkid> ok :)
23:28:10 <Usbtastic> TimClark: Thanks for suggestion, but I was thinking more of a background monitoring tool rather than a benchmarking\performance tester
23:28:30 <TimClark> sorry, i will delete my comment Usbtastic
23:29:09 <Usbtastic> no worries
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