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02:17:48 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com developer and moderator and works on the PortableApps.com Launcher (please test it!)
02:21:38 <chid> lol
02:21:53 <chid> Usbtastic, did you get an answer?
02:27:24 <Usbtastic> chid: no, not yet.
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05:02:44 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com developer and moderator and works on the PortableApps.com Launcher (please test it!)
05:03:49 <sar3th> hi ChrisMorgan :)
05:03:57 <sar3th> how's the documentation progressing?
05:04:16 <ChrisMorgan> It's been on leave for the past few days
05:04:29 <sar3th> "on leave"?
05:04:41 <ChrisMorgan> Just now I'm looking at the Inkscape installer, trying to figure out what I did in 0.47 that broke the uninstaller... and I've just found it :-/
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05:08:43 <sar3th> oh okay
05:08:58 <sar3th> do you have any expectations when the docs will be available?
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05:22:23 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com developer and moderator and works on the PortableApps.com Launcher (please test it!)
05:22:47 <ChrisMorgan> Sorry, Chrome wrecked the session with its Alt+arrows handler :-(
05:23:11 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: I'm planning on committing what I've got some time soon. At uni maybe I'll get to work more on them ;-)
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05:24:09 <sar3th> :)
05:24:29 <ChrisMorgan> Currently I'm just looking through the Google Chrome Portable launcher source for some reason
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05:38:17 <GizmoBot> Chazz is the awesome developer of Bash Portable http://portableapps.com/node/20277 and GEdit Portable! (And Gnumeric Portable) :D
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05:43:49 <GizmoBot> computerfreaker is working on KidSafe and TopOCR, and would very much like to have folks test them and give feedback
05:43:56 <computerfreaker> Hi guys!
05:44:15 <Chazz> 'ello computerfreaker
05:44:31 <computerfreaker> ChrisMorgan: got a quick question about PAL & directory handling, if you've got a minute
05:51:16 <ChrisMorgan> Approximately
05:51:19 <ChrisMorgan> I'm about to go
05:51:23 <ChrisMorgan> Feel free to ask though
05:51:28 <computerfreaker> thanks
05:51:36 <ChrisMorgan> Even if I go I'll see it in the logs
05:52:00 <computerfreaker> if I have a DirectoriesMove section, do I need to specify a DirectoriesCleanupIfEmpty section as well, to clean out any empty leftover folders?
05:52:25 <ChrisMorgan> Not for that directory. If it is in a subdirectory which may not exist before though, that's when you need it.
05:52:33 <computerfreaker> also, there's a RegistryValueBackupDelete section; is there a corresponding DirectoriesBackupDelete section for folders?
05:52:48 <ChrisMorgan> e.g. %APPDATA%\Publisher\AppName would need a CleanupIfEmpty for %APPDATA%\Publisher.
05:52:57 <computerfreaker> ok, thanks
05:53:25 <ChrisMorgan> DirectoriesBackupDelete would be...
05:53:34 <ChrisMorgan> umm...
05:53:40 <ChrisMorgan> Don't have my docs here at the moment :-/
05:53:53 <computerfreaker> I looked through the helpfile and didn't see anything
05:54:02 <ChrisMorgan> Probably just DirectoriesMove
05:54:23 <computerfreaker> for things like %USERPROFILE%\Cookies, though?
05:55:13 <ChrisMorgan> Ulp...
05:55:18 <computerfreaker> an app I'm working on creates some cookies in %USERPROFILE%\Cookies; I'm trying to just get rid of them
05:55:30 <ChrisMorgan> That won't be a directory then, just a file, wouldn't it?
05:55:45 <ChrisMorgan> Anyway, there is no %USERPROFILE%\Cookies
05:56:04 <computerfreaker> no, multiple files. I could cover the current release with a couple of move-file instructions, but that might break later on
05:57:16 <computerfreaker> and yes, there is %USERPROFILE%\Cookies - just double-checked to be sure
05:58:41 <computerfreaker> ah, don't worry about it; I'll just stick some file-moving calls in there. Something else just occurred to me: the app has a "keep me logged in" setting, which probably depends on the existence of the cookies.
05:58:54 <computerfreaker> So, file backup & restore is probably cleanest at this point
05:59:03 <ChrisMorgan> The location where IE cookies go for me is C:\Documents and Settings\cjmor16\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files
05:59:10 <ChrisMorgan> And that's what it's always been
05:59:18 <ChrisMorgan> Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files
05:59:25 <ChrisMorgan> Not sure about Vista/7
05:59:26 <computerfreaker> huh, that's weird. I'm getting C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Cookies on this machine
05:59:33 <computerfreaker> XP Home SP3
05:59:36 <ChrisMorgan> You must have a strange configuration.
06:00:00 <ChrisMorgan> This is XP Pro SP3
06:00:15 <ChrisMorgan> But Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files is what I've always seen...
06:00:34 <ChrisMorgan> Bye, I'm off now. Otherwise (and possibly even so...) I'm going to be late for tea.
06:00:37 <computerfreaker> weird. I wonder what's up with this one? Time for some poking around
06:00:41 <computerfreaker> bye, thanks for the help!
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06:39:07 <JohnTHaller> Hola
06:41:28 <sar3th> hello JohnTHaller :)
06:42:19 <JohnTHaller> How goes it?
06:43:20 <sar3th> good, thanks
06:43:27 <sar3th> it's quite silent tonight
06:43:34 <JohnTHaller> Apparently
06:45:11 <JohnTHaller> I've been busy coding the updater tonight. And now I'm beeeeeaaat
06:46:12 <sar3th> i know that feeling, i just finished my java exam task tonight :|
06:46:30 <JohnTHaller> Wanna see the updater's current state?
06:46:38 <JohnTHaller> How was the exam?
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06:47:32 <sar3th> it was okay, the task was to create a trie-class
06:47:34 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> hello JohnTHaller, sounds like a busy night
06:48:12 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005|AFK: Indeed. Long coding session. Got the updater's rewritten version doing everything that the old one with my bandaids did... but much more efficiently and with code you can actually follow.
06:48:27 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> that's always a major plus :)
06:48:27 <sar3th> and of course we want to see the updater's current state :D
06:48:41 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> yes, what sar3th said ^^
06:49:09 <JohnTHaller> Hang on, I'll PM it to you both. Please don't share it publicly yet.
06:49:20 <sar3th> okay :)
06:49:44 <JohnTHaller> That's using the live feed on PA.c for app updates.
06:49:45 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> looks good, I do have a question though about size.
06:49:51 <sar3th> looking good :D
06:49:52 <JohnTHaller> What about it?
06:50:22 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> for the size of the actual update window, are you going to keep it the same size as the installers currently are, or are you going to stretch it a bit more to fit more info on it?
06:50:39 <JohnTHaller> Currently, it's limited by NSIS itself.
06:50:58 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> I wondered about that.
06:51:09 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> that's always been a pet peeve of mine, locked window sizes within apps.
06:51:15 <JohnTHaller> This is just the current updater. I'm working on a rewrite in Delphi.
06:51:24 <JohnTHaller> That will have much more flexibility
06:51:32 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> ahh, neato :)
06:51:33 <JohnTHaller> But this I can get out there quickly.
06:51:40 <sar3th> cool
06:51:42 <sar3th> :)
06:51:51 <JohnTHaller> It's nearly done, actually. I don't see any problem with putting it in 2.0 Beta 4 this week
06:52:03 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> you mean beta 5 ;)
06:52:17 <JohnTHaller> Yes, Beta 5.
06:52:51 <JohnTHaller> I have it working in silent mode from the PA.c Menu, too... so it can silently check for updates and not say anything if there aren't any.
06:53:20 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> that's cool
06:53:31 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> if it's an auto-check it shouldn't annoy the user after it checks and finds nothing
06:53:36 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> I hate that about so much MS stuff.
06:54:16 <JohnTHaller> Yeah. If you do Help - Check for Updates, it'll show a banner while it's checking and then let you know there are none. But in auto mode, it won't do anything if there are no updates. If there are, you get the update window with the list of apps directly
06:54:47 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> that's good
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07:05:26 <JohnTHaller> Alright, I'm crashing, so off to bed for me. Gnight guys.
07:06:18 <sar3th> good night JohnTHaller
07:07:00 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> night JohnTHaller
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07:24:32 <pa_9178> help
07:24:58 <sar3th> hello pa_9178, how can we assist you?
07:25:10 <pa_9178> I need to know how to report false positive to ' Rising Antivirus'
07:28:12 <sar3th> hm, that is a tough question, please standby
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07:29:48 <sar3th> we think it might be best to try to open a ticket here: http://support.rising-global.com/index.php?_m=tickets&_a=submit
07:30:09 <sar3th> i can't find any link to submit a false positive on their website :(
07:31:37 <pa_9178> yeah thats the only way I guess
07:31:50 <TimClarkk> sar3th: the general allows the uploading of a file and a message
07:32:12 <TimClarkk> pa_9178: may we ask what program set off the alert?
07:32:13 <pa_9178> every antivirus company should have a specific page for false positives
07:32:21 <pa_9178> Folder Lock 6
07:32:38 <TimClarkk> never heard of it, i don't think it's one of ours
07:32:49 <TimClarkk> are you sure it's a FP ?
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07:34:18 <TimClark> have you tried an upload to VirusTotal to get more opinions
07:34:34 <TimClark> http://www.virustotal.com/en/indexx.html
07:36:42 <TimClark> You might want to check with them first, on the chance that it is a real virus
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07:45:27 <TimClark> Time for bed, good night all
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08:08:08 <chid> I'm curious, can you get the installer source anywhere?
08:08:19 <chid> all I seem to find is the launcher source
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08:10:11 <sar3th> chid: the installer source code is available
08:10:25 <chid> where from?
08:11:53 <sar3th> http://portableapps.com/apps/development/portableapps.com_installer
08:11:53 <chid> eg. # Source Code: Launcher source (included), Firefox source
08:12:40 <chid> I'm specifically looking for firefoxportable test's installer's source code
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08:18:21 <sar3th> chid: the installer is downloadable at the link i provided
08:18:31 <sar3th> you can compile it yourself
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08:30:14 <taneth111> .seen gringoloco
08:30:15 <GizmoBot> Sorry, I haven't seen gringoloco around.
08:44:21 <chid> sar3th, yeah, but from that file I can't compile the firefox online installer
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08:46:00 <sar3th> hm, let me check
08:46:34 <sar3th> can you give me the link to the application?
08:47:05 <chid> http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/portableapps/Mozilla%20Firefox%2C%20P.E.%20Test/Minefield%20Portable%203.7%20Alpha%203%20Pre%20Nightly/FirefoxPortableNightly_3.7_Pre-Alpha_3_English_online.paf.exe?use_mirror=transact
08:47:13 <sar3th> thanks
08:47:18 <chid> http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable/test
09:00:25 <sar3th> chid: well, i am able to compile that installer
09:00:34 <chid> how :o
09:00:50 <chid> It's just the launcher isn't it
09:01:29 <sar3th> no
09:01:38 <sar3th> it works like this:
09:01:42 <sar3th> you download the installer
09:02:05 <sar3th> then you configure your application (in this case firefox) with the .ini file
09:02:13 <sar3th> then you compile that application using the installer
09:02:52 <chid> I'm not sure I understand
09:03:30 <chid> what application are you talking about compiling
09:03:39 <sar3th> the installer
09:03:52 <sar3th> for your application
09:07:03 <chid> mmm okay
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11:31:46 <pa_8788> Hello,
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11:33:49 <sar3th> hi pa_8788, do you need anything?
11:34:21 <pa_3385> well, my application gets detected as suspicious file by clam av
11:34:34 <pa_3385> when I report them..........no answer
11:35:39 <sar3th> pa_3385: you need to be patient, as the verification of a file is usually not fast
11:36:01 <sar3th> which application was it pa_3385?
11:36:06 <pa_3385> USB Secure
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11:36:37 <pa_3385> ClamAV 0.96.0.0-git 2010.03.06 PUA.Packed.MoleBox.2X
11:36:48 <pa_3385> this is what I get from virus total
11:37:08 <sar3th> hm, i never heard of that application
11:37:48 <sar3th> best is to wait 1-3 days after your report, usually you have an answer by then
11:41:16 <pa_8788> yes, sorry, had to leave my desk.
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11:43:48 <pa_3385> I have waited more than that
11:43:54 <pa_3385> do you know what is PUA
11:45:01 <pa_8788> I'm looking for a solution to move 'Start PortableApps.com' from the root of the USB stick to its own directory, let's say \PortApps. Thus, my question is: How to, is there something like an ini file ?
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11:57:12 <ZachThibeau> to move the start portableapps.com's executable you would need to recompile the launcher so that it's able to find the menu when you go to launch it from that custom path
12:03:14 <pa_8788> thank you - but how to do this ?
12:07:00 <ZachThibeau> first of all you will need to download the source code (which can be found here https://sourceforge.net/projects/portableapps/files/), then using nsisportable and a text editor of your choice, editing the script and then recompiling the script using nsis portable
12:09:29 <pa_8788> Great, thank you so much Zach !
12:09:34 <pa_8788> Alex
12:09:38 <ZachThibeau> no problem
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16:15:46 <dragonmage> http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10465135-1.html
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18:28:37 <JohnTHaller> Hola
18:29:30 <Gizmokid2005> hello JohnTHaller
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18:29:36 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is awsome and is currently working on a super cool media player called musicplay3000 aka mp3k
18:29:48 <ZachThibeau> howdy JohnTHaller
18:31:20 <JohnTHaller> How goes it?
18:32:04 <JohnTHaller> ZachThibeau: Ah you missed the update on the updater last night. Wanna see a screenshot?
18:32:24 <ZachThibeau> still trying to track that localization issue and messing around with spell check and trying to add it to PChat and sure hit me with it
18:35:54 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: it goes...I have an off-site meeting here shortly...actually had to go into the office today...yay for being in charge of billing!!
18:36:19 <JohnTHaller> That's the new rewritten updater. It's feature set just met and exceeded the hacked version of the old one as of this morning at 3am.
18:37:14 <JohnTHaller> Looks like I should be able to drop PA.c Platform 2.0 Beta 5 with the Updater tonight or tomorrow. Probably tomorrow at this point as underslept and overcaffeinated isn't condusive to coding for me at the moment.
18:37:59 <ZachThibeau> yay for new release beta as it may be :D
18:40:27 <JohnTHaller> The new theming is just about done, too. We're tweaking the theme a bit (as well as the site). Meeting with the designer tomorrow night to finalize the look of categories in the next beta.
18:41:25 <ZachThibeau> very nice
18:41:51 <Gizmokid2005> well, I'm off guys, see ya!
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18:42:00 <JohnTHaller> So Beta 6 should be the categories release, which will make some folks happy.
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18:58:16 <ZachThibeau> excellent :D
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18:59:42 <joby> Hello!
18:59:52 <joby> Question regarding PChat
19:00:00 <joby> Where is the Favorites menu?
19:00:10 <joby> how can I access the favorites?
19:00:44 <joby> I can add channel to fovorites but then I don't know where those are
19:00:50 <joby> Thank you!
19:01:05 <ZachThibeau> select file and in the network menu click the server you are going to use and click edit
19:01:28 <ZachThibeau> you should see an option there for favourites
19:02:36 <joby> found them! kinda'odd placement! :)
19:02:40 <joby> thabks!
19:02:45 <ZachThibeau> np
19:02:45 <joby> thanks!
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19:10:45 <ZachThibeau> howdy qwertymodo
19:12:04 <qwertymodo> hey ZachThibeau
19:12:10 <JohnTHaller> hi qwertymodo
19:12:29 <qwertymodo> hello JohnTHaller
19:13:11 <qwertymodo> ZachThibeau congrats on getting PChat out and official
19:13:36 <ZachThibeau> thanks and qwertymodo I have a new vba-m for you if you want it?
19:14:20 <qwertymodo> ok, not sure when I'll have time to test it out, but I'll see what I can do
19:14:42 <JohnTHaller> qwertymodo: Wanna see the current updater screenshot? Gonna drop this week.
19:14:55 <qwertymodo> sure
19:15:03 <ZachThibeau> just give me your email in a pm and I'll send you the email for it later as atm I'm having some PChat localization issues
19:16:01 <JohnTHaller> That's the version from last night. Got the rewrite to surpass the functionality of the old one I'd bandaided to get working properly. So many more possibilities now.
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19:16:42 <qwertymodo> that's awesome
19:16:45 <qwertymodo> looks good too
19:17:12 <qwertymodo> is the updater the only thing holding back 2.0?
19:17:36 <JohnTHaller> Thanks. It's working well. It does look like I'll need to tweak the current PA.c Installer, though. 1.0.2 produces a brief flash of a window when set in hidden mode, unfortunately. It's a distraction for the user who wants it updating while they continue to work.
19:18:28 <JohnTHaller> No, updater is going in Beta 5 this week. And categories are going in Beta 6.
19:19:03 <qwertymodo> so categories in 2.0? awesome :)
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19:20:58 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, meeting with our designer tomorrow for more theme tweaking. We've been working hard on how to properly implement them to offer maximum flexibility and functionality.
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19:24:54 <qwertymodo> heh, I alway hate the GUI/design aspect of programming...
19:26:21 <JohnTHaller> I enjoy it. It's about usability and design... balancing the temptation to go overboard with the need to keep things simple and functional.
19:27:42 <qwertymodo> well i guess that's a good thing that you enjoy it, seeing as how a menu application is mostly UI work
19:29:16 <JohnTHaller> I took some Human Computer Interface in college taught by a psychologist. And I study it a bit for fun,
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22:00:40 <SteveLamerton> Hello all
22:01:17 <SteveLamerton> Toucan 3 Development Test 3 for Linux now uploaded: http://portableapps.com/node/21902#comment-144467
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22:04:48 <SteveLamerton> MaienM, ZachThibeau, pay attention, a development test is up that might interest you ;)
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22:15:56 <SteveLamerton> Oh well, mayebe I'll see you guys tomorrow, bye everyone!
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22:49:00 <tc_> hi
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22:50:11 <tc_> they should make the portable apps platform more customizable
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