IRC Log from 2010-03-10
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00:18:44 <ChrisMorgan> Well... I now have my hg checkout here but I don't have my SSH certificate, so I can't check in any code changes yet...
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00:28:19 <JohnTHaller> Hola
00:28:23 <ChrisMorgan> Hey JohnTHaller
00:28:46 <ChrisMorgan> It's so horrible working with Command Prompt now that I've got used to the power of bash...
00:28:59 <JohnTHaller> heh
00:29:21 <JohnTHaller> Wanna see the new updater work?
00:29:23 <ChrisMorgan> AND I left my SSH key at home, so even though I've got hg now here at Uni (on Windows) I can't push :-(
00:29:26 <ChrisMorgan> Sure :-)
00:29:28 <JohnTHaller> Ouch
00:30:34 <ZachThibeau> :O
00:31:10 <JohnTHaller> Configurable how?
00:31:30 <JohnTHaller> (Chris asked if it was configurable)
00:31:32 <ChrisMorgan> I mean can you turn off whether it shows the category labels etc.
00:31:34 <ZachThibeau> very nice John :), still coded in nsis or in Delphi?
00:31:40 <JohnTHaller> NSIS still
00:31:48 <ChrisMorgan> Just with a modified mui.exe
00:32:16 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: No, the add screen shows the apps by category (just like the site). The update screen just shows the app list normally by alpha.
00:32:16 <ChrisMorgan> I was wondering whether EmbeddedLists would cope with the different size; I imagined so but one never can be sure...
00:32:40 <ChrisMorgan> Ah. That's better then
00:32:49 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, lemme screenshot it...
00:32:55 <ChrisMorgan> I didn't manage to notice it was just for installing new ones
00:33:06 <ChrisMorgan> "The verb 'to screenshot'"
00:33:44 <ChrisMorgan> Are you using 175 for the overline? If so how does that cope with different codepages?
00:34:54 <JohnTHaller> Yes. It should show up properly, in theory. We'll know when we do the beta :-)
00:36:46 <JohnTHaller> PMed you it in update mode.
00:37:16 <ZachThibeau> excellent, so when is beta 5 going to be released?
00:37:25 <JohnTHaller> As soon as I finish these bits.
00:37:51 <ZachThibeau> nice
00:37:58 <JohnTHaller> Those are both screenshots of it working in its current state pulling all that from the server. I'm still working on some translation stuff, having the progress bar match where you are in terms of downloading and installing multiple apps, etc.
00:38:21 <ChrisMorgan> That's fiddly.
00:38:53 <ChrisMorgan> "XAMPP Launcher" doesn't download XAMPP I presume?
00:38:56 <JohnTHaller> It includes a base set of icons on install (for the add window) and will download any for the ones that are in update.ini but not installed or in the base set automatically, so we always have our app icons.
00:39:08 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: Nope. Hopefully we'll do XAMPP Portable at some point.
00:39:25 <ChrisMorgan> BTW, I've discovered that XAMPP 1.7.3's setup_xampp.bat actually includes an exclude-drive-letter option for the user
00:39:35 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, I saw that
00:39:40 <ChrisMorgan> Previously I'd put in that hack myself, now it's automatically there for the user to choose.
00:40:14 <ChrisMorgan> I'm just debating whether to do it with setup_xampp.bat (or calling the PHP script directly) or with TextReplace in PAL.
00:40:29 <ChrisMorgan> I think it's just the path which needs coping with.
00:42:11 <JohnTHaller> Urgh... migraine coming,,,
00:42:43 <ChrisMorgan> :-(
00:43:35 <ZachThibeau> :(
00:43:36 <ZachThibeau> sorry to hear
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01:51:31 <pa_1524> Hi Is there a portable app I can use to password protect my microdrive from inappropriate use? Jack
01:52:25 <JohnTHaller> You have two options.
01:52:50 <JohnTHaller> Encrypt the whole drive with something like TrueCrypt, but then you can only use your drive on PCs where you can log in with administrative rights.
01:53:07 <JohnTHaller> Or buy a drive with hardware encryption built into it that will let you protect it and use it on any PC.
01:54:15 <pa_1524> OK, Thanks. Sounds like the answer is no for me. Using Cruzer 16GB drive.
01:54:58 <JohnTHaller> There are some pseudo-protection options that will keep about 95% of users out. We're going to do a tool for that in the next month or so.
01:55:18 <pa_1524> OK. I'll check in again later.
01:55:49 <JohnTHaller> On your Cruzer, you could enable U3 to password protect it. I'm not sure how good it is anymore. It was easy to defeat last I checked a couple years ago
01:55:57 <JohnTHaller> Of course, then you have to deal with the U3 menu running all the time.
01:56:51 <pa_1524> Dont see where that is.
01:57:44 <pa_1524> Oh yes, "enable security". easy to break though?
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03:38:25 <ChrisMorgan> Arg... setting up hg/PuTTY/SSH on Windows is messy.
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03:51:36 <ZachThibeau> I use a native openssh client
03:51:40 <ZachThibeau> for windows
03:51:50 <ZachThibeau> howdy JohnTHaller1
03:52:51 <ZachThibeau> and I got your email
03:52:56 <JohnTHaller1> Hi hiu
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03:53:16 <JohnTHaller> Ok, figured you'd want to fix that
03:53:28 <ZachThibeau> yeah and I'm foxing both that and the description :P
03:53:33 <ChrisMorgan> ZachThibeau: I'm now up to "abort: no suitable response from remote hg!"... and still getting nowhere :-(
03:53:43 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller, what's the general idea with running Pageant in PuTTY Portable?
03:53:56 <ZachThibeau> been meaning to change the description on sf but kept on forgetting
03:55:22 <ChrisMorgan> Oh goodie, I'm now able to commit to PAL here at Uni :-)
03:56:16 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller, what do you reckon on this launcher.ini / Launcher\*.ini thing?
03:56:24 <ChrisMorgan> I really don't know what to decide...
03:56:42 <ChrisMorgan> And when did you sneak the bit about launcher.ini into the PAF specs?
03:57:49 <JohnTHaller> I think it was in there when I first published it. Haven't changed it since then.
03:58:00 <ChrisMorgan> What, since before PAL?
03:58:19 <JohnTHaller> Yeah. It was always planned, so I put it in there then.
03:59:22 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm, I see it was there when I converted the specs to RST
04:00:36 <ZachThibeau> anyways PChat's sf.net description is updated
04:08:08 <ZachThibeau> JohnTHaller: ok new version uploaded with the missing dll files included now the url is the same one though
04:11:07 <ChrisMorgan> I really think locales should be moved into an optional section - they come to about 20MB in GTK and PChat together.
04:12:00 <ZachThibeau> ChrisMorgan: this isn't for the portable version btw
04:12:14 <ChrisMorgan> Whether it is or not, what I'm saying is true :-)
04:12:35 <ChrisMorgan> ZachThibeau: does the non-portable version have an installer?
04:13:23 <ZachThibeau> that it does and I'm including it with this release (since the portable version includes it already) and next version will have it as optional
04:14:18 <ChrisMorgan> What, languages?
04:14:23 <ZachThibeau> I'm going for consistency ;) and yes
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05:41:58 <ChrisMorgan> Ooh, three pages of PAL thread now.
05:42:09 <ChrisMorgan> Must get it to Beta so I can justify a new thread... :P
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11:24:24 <Joji> hows life peeps
11:24:54 <Joji> hey does portableapps
11:25:01 <Joji> have something better than
11:25:05 <Joji> JK defrag
11:25:07 <Joji> on hteir list?
11:25:14 <Joji> just wondering...
11:27:22 <Joji> :/
11:27:26 <Joji> everyone is offline i guess
11:27:46 <Joji> biiii
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15:45:35 <JohnTHaller> Hola
15:47:09 <Gizmokid2005> hello JohnTHaller
15:47:14 <Gizmokid2005> you wanted me last night?
15:47:33 <JohnTHaller> Oh I was just gonna show you updater progress if you were around... but you weren't :-P
15:47:38 <Gizmokid2005> ahh
15:47:54 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, early night last night. Nicole had to be to the hospital at 7:30 this morning for an ultrasound
15:49:48 <JohnTHaller> Ah, how is she doing?
15:50:15 <Gizmokid2005> We're thinking her gall bladder is having issues, we won't know anything for 48 hours :(
15:50:41 <JohnTHaller> Ugh, sorry to hear, man. Let me know how it turns out. I'll think some good thoughts for her.
15:51:05 <Gizmokid2005> Thanks :) We're hoping maybe it's just stones, something easy to take care of, surgery won't be easy with no insurance.
15:52:12 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, stones are painful, but not too bad medically. My dad had kidney stones ... I think before the donation.
15:53:01 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, my mom had stones, but her gall bladder was in such bad shape they had to remove it. it's a relatively easy procedure, they say less than 1 day to recover, so if it comes down to it, she should be ok. At this point we're just looking for a fix.
15:53:59 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, I hear ya. We
15:54:14 <JohnTHaller> Well, here's hoping it's the easiest (and least expensive) issue.
15:54:21 <Gizmokid2005> Thanks.
15:54:43 <Gizmokid2005> its really bad timing, with the wedding coming up in 10 days, it could've been timed a bit better.
15:54:53 <Gizmokid2005> we've got a bit of the bad mixed in witht he good.
15:55:07 <JohnTHaller> Yeah. Life does seem to work like that far too often.
15:55:27 <Gizmokid2005> yes it does.
15:55:44 <Gizmokid2005> but we persevere and move on, no worse for the wear
15:55:54 <Gizmokid2005> what doesn't kill you just makes you stronger :)
15:58:08 <JohnTHaller> True true
15:58:52 <Gizmokid2005> I can't get insurance through work since the knocked me to part time, and nicole's job doesn't offer it since there's only 3 office workers...and to go with something like Blue Cross Blue Sheild for an individual plan for the two of us is $300/mo minimum...
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16:01:10 <ComputerWizz> Theres a problem with the mana world
16:01:23 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, I'm familiar. I was on individual insurance (since I've been working on PA.c and a couple small side jobs) and I was paying $9,600 a year for just me here in NYC.
16:01:39 <ComputerWizz> ok
16:01:46 <Gizmokid2005> ComputerWizz: what's your problem?
16:02:10 <ComputerWizz> its that I cant connect to the Mana World server!
16:02:25 <Gizmokid2005> do you get an error?
16:02:30 <ComputerWizz> yes
16:02:36 <Gizmokid2005> what is it?
16:02:42 <ComputerWizz> 2 secs
16:03:11 <ComputerWizz> im just checking
16:03:39 <ComputerWizz> ok, its ''Unable to resolve host''
16:04:13 <Gizmokid2005> I'm not familiar with the mana world's servers, but it sounds like the server may be down or you have something locally that's blocking the connection
16:04:56 <ComputerWizz> its happened before here, maybe your'e right!
16:05:15 <ComputerWizz> thanks!
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16:05:55 <Gizmokid2005> you're welcome ComputerWizz
16:06:04 <ComputerWizz> see ya!
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16:06:56 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: that's why I'm not too keen on the whole health care bill obama is trying to pass, I don't see it helping those of us who really need insurance but can't afford it. I see it more as lining the pockets of health care companies even more...which is /just/ what they need...
16:06:58 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: Have you looked into catastrophic coverage? It has a high deductible but covers major surgeries, etc. The premiums are far less than regular health insurance
16:07:27 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: I thought about it...I may even look into catastrophic with medicaid, because that covered my family with my sister when she was burned really bad.
16:07:45 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: There are some solid provisions in the bill about pooling and things like that specifically targeting those who can't afford it at all and those of us who pay direct (and get pickpocketed for it)
16:08:15 <Gizmokid2005> Oh I know...but it's still not really controlling rates...they need to get costs/premiums under control before they think about mandating coverage.
16:08:57 <JohnTHaller> There's a TON of things they need to do to get costs under control.
16:09:06 <Gizmokid2005> absolutely
16:09:15 <Gizmokid2005> I believe that's where they should start...really.
16:09:41 <Gizmokid2005> I mean, it's bad enough, at least in MI, that auto insurance is mandated, but here we can opt to not have a car, and no insurance, but with the proposed bill...well..not so much
16:10:18 <JohnTHaller> Auto insurance should absolutely be mandatory. Otherwise when you hit somebody and they have medical bills, they're screwed.
16:10:57 <JohnTHaller> I find it odd that auto insurance is SO much cheaper than health insurance... considering the damage you can do with a car.
16:11:07 <Gizmokid2005> at the same time, I agree but I don't. That's whats mandated here, PL/PD, at very minimum, and I agree...but it's something you can choose not to have by making the choice to not have a vehcile
16:11:09 <Gizmokid2005> *vehicle
16:11:38 <JohnTHaller> Right. Same here. I don't have a car. I work from home usually. When I don't, I take the subway to the empire state building.
16:11:57 <JohnTHaller> But I grew up in CT with a car and insurance for it.
16:12:01 <Gizmokid2005> I've always had full coverage on my truck, just in case. It's nice to see my premiums go down finally as well. I've got $250 deductibles with broadform collision and my renewal is finally under $800/6 months
16:12:17 <Gizmokid2005> when I first got this truck i was paying almost $1300 every 6...
16:12:22 <Gizmokid2005> that was irritating, and the coverage wasn't as good
16:12:34 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, when I was under 25, the rates in CT were absurd.
16:14:19 <Gizmokid2005> Yep. Since I'm getting married, I looked at adding nicole to my policy too, with her car and just PL/PD (not worth more than $500 anyways) and it will only bring my rates up ~$30/mo. So only $200 for six months added to my policy
16:14:21 <Gizmokid2005> which is really nice
16:16:13 <Gizmokid2005> UPDATED: KVIrc 4r4121 DT11: http://portableapps.com/node/18626
16:16:24 <Gizmokid2005> now that's out of the way...
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16:17:08 <Gizmokid2005> hello OliverK
16:17:18 <OliverK> howdy Gizmokid2005
16:18:04 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: How is KVIrc? About ready to go to prerelease?
16:18:26 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: They were talking RC3 stage at some point here soon. It's been very solid for me for a LONG time.
16:18:32 <Gizmokid2005> hopefully they have a release someday soon :)
16:19:00 <JohnTHaller> Cool
16:19:06 <JohnTHaller> Oh, you wanna see the updater?
16:19:10 <Bensawsome> JohnTHaller you should see what the rate in ct are NOW -_-
16:19:17 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: sure :D
16:19:20 <Bensawsome> *rates
16:20:20 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, I bet they are bad
16:20:34 <Bensawsome> yep :/
16:20:48 <Bensawsome> and my dad recently swetiched jobs
16:20:59 <Bensawsome> before the job paid for it.... now we have to
16:21:29 <Gizmokid2005> now THAT is cool JohnTHaller!! I like the bigger size as well. Just under the limit for those pesky netbooks as well :)
16:21:45 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, I tried to keep it netbook friendly
16:21:47 <Gizmokid2005> do you have any tooltips for a brief description on the adds, or plans for it?
16:21:50 <Bensawsome> epic
16:21:59 <JohnTHaller> Nope, it isn't supported unfortunately.
16:22:08 <Gizmokid2005> dang. That would be really neat
16:22:20 <JohnTHaller> I'm debating going with a longer short description instead of app type (which is sub-category)... but that presents translation issues.
16:22:23 <Gizmokid2005> I do like the way it looks though :) Much nicer with the bigger size.
16:22:37 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, I think so. I think the categories help with adding apps a lot, too.
16:23:30 <Gizmokid2005> yeah..unless you can somehow integrate it with the website translations...
16:23:40 <Gizmokid2005> but even then, /most/ apps are pretty self explanatory
16:24:21 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: I'm working on integrating it. It'll be done for our 5 major langs we support intiially on the site. But sub-categories are easier to translate for now.
16:24:58 <Gizmokid2005> Yeah. Translations do get tricky
16:25:23 <Gizmokid2005> just recently there was a translation snaffu with KVirc that was pretty interesting to watch.
16:25:54 <JohnTHaller> Haveing 'Web Browser' translated once and used for Google Chrome, Firefox and soon Flock and Opera is much easier than trying to do one for each of em.
16:26:02 <Gizmokid2005> exactly
16:30:49 <Gizmokid2005> and as for KVirc, in DT10 I fixed the launcher up to handle (rather just remove) the Qt Plugin Cache reg entries.
16:30:51 <OliverK> looks goot
16:30:53 <Gizmokid2005> so it should be completely clean again.
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16:56:14 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is awsome and is currently working on a super cool media player called musicplay3000 aka mp3k
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17:08:51 <ZachThibeau> howdy JohnTHaller
17:09:38 <JohnTHaller> hi
17:10:05 <ZachThibeau> whats new?
17:10:23 <JohnTHaller> just more updater work. think i already showed you add with categories last night
17:10:51 <ZachThibeau> yup
17:11:02 <ZachThibeau> anyone hear from John Bently lately?
17:11:39 <JohnTHaller> nope
17:13:02 <ZachThibeau> it's like he disappeared, I've been watching the svn server he has Xenon 2.0 on and nothing new since last year
17:13:34 <JohnTHaller> odd
17:14:34 <ZachThibeau> I should shoot off an email to him just asking how things are etc
17:14:46 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, please do. I'll do the same
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17:38:32 <JohnTHaller> Ok, just posted the new TeamViewer and the new Skype.
17:39:03 <JohnTHaller> now off to the gym for my lunchbreak
17:39:05 <JohnTHaller> later all
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18:12:32 <pa_3949> hi
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19:24:52 <pa_6979> Hi can portableapps be used on a mac?
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19:26:32 <qwertymodo> pa_6979 no, they are all PC apps
19:26:46 <pa_6979> ty
19:26:48 <pa_6979> bye
19:26:49 <qwertymodo> they could run under something like VMWare Fusion though
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19:26:59 <pa_6374> Hi, am i to understand that i can make any app portable with this software?
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20:02:13 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is awsome and is currently working on a super cool media player called musicplay3000 aka mp3k
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20:03:49 <GizmoBot> sar3th is currently busy with KDE for Windows (Portable)
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20:15:45 <JohnTHaller> Hello again
20:16:35 <ZachThibeau> howdy JohnTHaller
20:16:41 <ZachThibeau> how was your break
20:16:49 <ZachThibeau> and trip to the gym
20:17:02 <JohnTHaller> Twas good. Gym. Salad. Then a conference call with a prospective partner.
20:17:10 <Bensawsome> cooooool
20:18:13 <ZachThibeau> very nice
20:19:00 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, nother good lead from CES. They seem to get what their customers and clients want, which is always a great thing to see.
20:22:11 <ZachThibeau> excellent, glad to see things going well then
20:26:34 <JohnTHaller> Yup. And it just inspires me to do more and more, which is nice. Going to the gym for the 10th day in a row and being on an adrenaline high from that helps, too :-)
20:27:17 <ZachThibeau> makes me want to go to the gym more often now :P
20:27:49 <JohnTHaller> I let work consume me a bit and put on some weight. This is helping ditch it. And sleep better. Etc.
20:33:55 <ZachThibeau> anyways John I got an email from bently and he said that he still working on Xenon but he's doing another complete rewrite so that it works on linux too
20:34:20 <JohnTHaller> Ah ok
20:34:27 <JohnTHaller> He's doing ok, though?
20:35:00 <ZachThibeau> yeah he seems to be, just been busy with the rewrite thats all
20:39:21 <ZachThibeau> anyways John did you recieve my email?
20:40:25 <JohnTHaller> yeah, hang on... on phone...
20:41:45 <ZachThibeau> no probs
20:45:04 <JohnTHaller> Ok, sorry
20:45:07 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, got the email.
20:45:20 <JohnTHaller> DLing
20:45:20 <ZachThibeau> awesome
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20:46:22 <JohnTHaller> Working now. I would suggest not GPL license in the agreement for the next release (isn't really needed).
20:47:08 <ZachThibeau> ok then
20:49:57 <JohnTHaller> Signed. PMing you the link.
20:50:10 <JohnTHaller> Scanned with Kaspersky, too. Clean.
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20:52:23 <ZachThibeau> awesome thanks very much
20:52:44 <JohnTHaller> You're welcome :-)
20:53:19 <JohnTHaller> You make any progress on the locales?
20:56:22 <ZachThibeau> iirc it could be the locale files weren't installed properly, I'm taking silverex's install and make sure the locale directory matches the way he did his since my compile uses some of his patches
20:56:45 <JohnTHaller> Ok.
20:58:42 <ZachThibeau> once I'm done verifying locale location I'll do a test release to make sure everything is ship shape
20:59:15 <JohnTHaller> Ok, cool.
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21:13:06 <GizmoBot> SergentSiler is a PortableApps.com Menu Themer, his theme website is http://silerhost.site50.net
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21:55:50 <rbrt13> hello
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22:32:03 <JohnTHaller> hi rbrt13
22:38:09 <ZachThibeau> wow I just realized something, like I knew it but it just struck me harder when I was thinking about John Bently, is that we haven't heard much from Patrick, Kevin Porter, Ryan in a while
22:39:28 <ZachThibeau> anyways I got to go guys
22:52:58 <JohnTHaller> Patrick took leave a while back. Eased back because of school. I still chat with him online here and there.
22:53:09 <JohnTHaller> Ryan did the same, also school. Kevin I'm not sure about.
22:54:59 <OliverK|Away> i've seen kevin porter around I think
22:55:05 <OliverK|Away> .see KevinPorter
22:55:09 <OliverK|Away> .seen KevinPorter
22:55:10 <GizmoBot> Sorry, I haven't seen kevinporter around.
22:55:20 <OliverK|Away> hmm, or maybe it was someone i wrote some ahk code for
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22:57:40 <OliverK|Away> ooh
22:57:47 <OliverK|Away> IPv6?
22:58:05 <OliverK|Away> nope, that was jacobmastel tha tI saw, I believe
22:58:14 <OliverK|Away> his blog hasn't been active, which is unusual
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22:59:16 <Simeon> hi all
23:06:16 <Simeon> ... or not :)
23:06:39 <Gizmokid2005> hello Simeon
23:06:47 <Simeon> hi Gizmo
23:12:50 <Simeon> bye
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