IRC Log from 2010-03-15

00:01:11 <Noaven> now the perl folder is in PChatPortable\App
00:01:43 <Noaven> maybe to move it to PChatPortable\App\PChat
00:04:41 <OliverK> now
00:04:49 <OliverK> perl folder goes in PChatPortable\App
00:04:57 <OliverK> no*
00:05:11 <Noaven> :/
00:05:49 <OliverK> and you are using active perl?
00:06:21 <Noaven> what you mean?
00:06:38 <OliverK> i'm not sure what is going on here
00:06:41 <Noaven> only pchat use it
00:06:57 <Noaven> complicated shit
00:06:59 <Noaven> lol
00:07:05 <OliverK> i know zach tested the plugin and said that he had setup the plugin to work correctly with strawberry perl
00:07:14 <OliverK> another member said that it didn't work
00:07:24 <OliverK> i did to, but I thought he had fixed it
00:07:39 <OliverK> if you installed active perl as per directions, you should be fine
00:07:54 <Noaven> i try it many times
00:07:58 <Noaven> nothing happen
00:08:02 <Noaven> anyway
00:08:16 <Noaven> i will quit
00:08:17 <OliverK> and pchat said it loaded
00:08:22 <Noaven> yes
00:08:28 <Noaven> on pchat startup
00:08:39 <OliverK> maybe its something different then the version of perl
00:08:46 <OliverK> i'm sorry i don't have a resolution for you
00:09:11 <Noaven> im getting
00:09:14 <Noaven> [01:49:53] Perl interface loaded
00:09:14 <Noaven> [01:49:53] * Looking up irc.freenode.net
00:09:19 <OliverK> yeah
00:09:33 <OliverK> and then when you try to load a script, you get that popup
00:09:33 <Noaven> dont worry
00:09:51 <OliverK> can you pastebin the script so i can see it please?
00:10:06 <OliverK> or, I can pastebin one of mine for you
00:10:12 <OliverK> if you'd like
00:12:40 <Noaven> how to do this
00:12:42 <Noaven> ?
00:13:22 <OliverK> .g pastebin
00:13:22 <GizmoBot> OliverK: http://www.pastebin.com/
00:13:44 <OliverK> you just copy the contents of the script onto the submission area and then click submit. Its fairly simple
00:14:34 <Noaven> http://pastebin.com/ML51jcPh
00:15:13 <OliverK> wow, that's a fairly old script
00:15:36 <OliverK> let me get you one of my newer ones. It may be that they dropped compatability for the older plugin interface
00:16:18 <Noaven> http://pastebin.com/JwFRHc8f
00:16:21 <Noaven> an other 1
00:16:26 <Noaven> but also old
00:16:52 <OliverK> http://oliverkrystal.pastebin.com/rrZefEmS
00:16:55 <OliverK> try loading this one
00:17:04 <OliverK> its pretty simple, as my perl skills fail
00:17:20 <OliverK> but it will rule out that the old plugin interface is making the plugin unhappy
00:18:06 <Noaven> same problem
00:18:08 <Noaven> lol
00:18:13 <Noaven> im cursed
00:18:18 <Noaven> haha
00:18:25 <Noaven> never mind
00:18:40 <Noaven> thanks very much for trying to help
00:18:56 <Noaven> maybe something fault with my computer
00:19:02 <OliverK> not sure
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00:19:23 <OliverK> well, definately check back to the forums in the future, hopefully we can get this sorted out
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00:20:26 <OliverK> i'm out of ideas though
00:21:53 <Noaven> ok :)
00:22:03 <Noaven> thanks again Oliver
00:22:06 <Noaven> nice to talk
00:22:15 <Noaven> time to sleep now lol
00:22:17 <Noaven> bb
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00:34:41 <OliverK> hey, anybody use launch?
00:34:49 <OliverK> launchy*
00:35:28 <Chazz> .wik launchy
00:35:28 <GizmoBot> "Launchy is a free open source application launcher for Windows and (as of version 2.1.1) Linux." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Launchy
00:35:45 <sar3th> yes
00:35:46 <sar3th> i do
00:35:49 <sar3th> always <3
00:35:51 <OliverK> cool
00:35:53 <OliverK> portably?
00:36:00 <OliverK> I need it to show my apps and it doesn't :(
00:36:03 <sar3th> no, only local install
00:36:20 <sar3th> oh :|
00:36:27 <sar3th> i don't think it will update paths
00:36:40 <sar3th> only store everything in its ini
00:36:56 <OliverK> i can fix that :p
00:37:05 <sar3th> hehe^^
00:37:23 <OliverK> but, I can't get it to scan additional locations for any exe files :(
00:37:49 <OliverK> if I add portableapps\ will it scan the subfolders?
00:39:00 <sar3th> OliverK: http://sar3th.pastebin.com/FwQmPnY1
00:39:33 <OliverK> sar3th: I know that
00:39:45 <OliverK> i just can't get it to pick up addtional things :(
00:39:48 <sar3th> hm
00:39:58 <sar3th> did you configure it correctly?
00:40:31 <OliverK> i have the ini option checked
00:40:40 <sar3th> no, i mean the indexing section
00:41:02 <OliverK> i don't know
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00:42:05 <GizmoBot> dabomb69 is the genius that forgot to include Perl in Perl Portable xP
00:42:06 <OliverK> in catalog, I have added the portableapps directory
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00:42:10 <GizmoBot> dabomb69 is the genius that forgot to include Perl in Perl Portable xP
00:42:39 <OliverK> and I added *.* to the file types
00:43:43 <sar3th> depth 100?
00:43:46 <OliverK> yeah
00:43:59 <sar3th> tried "rebuild catalog"?
00:44:03 <OliverK> yup
00:44:12 <OliverK> well, i'm using the beta
00:44:21 * OliverK wonders if that maybe is his problem
00:44:21 <sar3th> oh, i'm using the stable
00:44:28 <OliverK> 2.1.2
00:44:31 * OliverK gets stable
00:44:33 <sar3th> can't tell for shure
00:44:44 <sar3th> yes 2.1.2 stable
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00:45:19 <OliverK> that's what i have then
00:45:24 <sar3th> hm :|
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00:45:28 <GizmoBot> Chazz is the guy who failed at developing stuff. :D
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00:45:33 <GizmoBot> Chazz is the guy who failed at developing stuff. :D
00:45:50 <OliverK> Chazz: switch hosts before joing :p
00:45:55 <sar3th> hm not sure what it is then OliverK
00:45:57 <Chazz> lol
00:46:08 * OliverK beats launchy with stick
00:46:13 <OliverK> i'd really like touse it
00:46:15 <OliverK> L(
00:46:31 <sar3th> hm :(
00:46:39 <sar3th> tried to use *.exe as filter instead?
00:47:13 <OliverK> yeha
00:47:29 <OliverK> well, *Portable.exe
00:47:39 <OliverK> and I have allow executables checked
00:48:01 <sar3th> hm :|
00:48:09 <OliverK> do you have it just installed?
00:48:28 <OliverK> because I set it up via the instructions on portablefreeware
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00:48:37 <OliverK> where you delte launchy2.exe
00:51:37 <sar3th> why do you do that?
00:52:27 <OliverK> followed insturctions
00:52:34 <OliverK> stopped that though
00:52:42 <OliverK> so, now i've got them both
00:52:51 <OliverK> and now I have a index of zero items :)
00:56:03 <OliverK> crud, now its crashing :(
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01:08:05 <BuddhaChu> lol...there's actually some nicks I recognize
01:08:47 <BuddhaChu> shout outs to Oliver, Zach Ben, and Mir
01:09:30 <OliverK> howdy BuddhaChu
01:09:37 <BuddhaChu> heya
01:10:07 <BuddhaChu> John tolsd me "maybe you should stop by the irc chat room more" so here I am :)
01:10:12 <Chazz> lol
01:10:14 <Chazz> Hai BuddhaChu :D
01:10:28 <BuddhaChu> heya Chazz
01:10:52 <BuddhaChu> this is my first time tryinjg PCat
01:10:59 <BuddhaChu> PChat*
01:11:04 <OliverK> Chazz: I see one problem with the perl portable download
01:11:11 <Chazz> OliverK, what is it?
01:11:11 <OliverK> check your link :p
01:11:14 <Chazz> lol
01:11:16 * Chazz clicks
01:11:17 <BuddhaChu> it's "meh"...not so hot
01:11:34 <OliverK> BuddhaChu: yeah, not much different from xchat
01:11:37 <OliverK> it'll get there
01:11:38 <Chazz> OliverK, xD
01:11:43 <OliverK> have you try the perl addon for it?
01:11:43 <Chazz> .exer != .exe
01:12:06 * BuddhaChu is an old skewl Mirc user from 1994
01:12:16 <OliverK> hehe
01:12:18 <Chazz> OliverK, fixed. :P
01:12:32 <Chazz> BuddhaChu, iirc, there's a nice mIRC theme for KVIrc somewhere. :P
01:12:37 * ZachThibeau is going to rebuild the perl plugin
01:12:50 <OliverK> Chazz == dambom69 right?
01:12:54 <OliverK> ZachThibeau: cool
01:12:58 <Chazz> OliverK, yup :P
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01:13:03 <ZachThibeau> right after I build PChat for 64bit processors
01:13:13 <OliverK> so, why are you not using the dabom nick on the forums?
01:13:18 <OliverK> ZachThibeau: fine :p
01:13:18 <BuddhaChu> Well, I think all the IRC programs out there are kinda clunky..I have no favorites
01:13:29 <OliverK> meh, i'm partial to xchat\pchat
01:13:34 <OliverK> for the perl interface, when it works
01:13:38 <dabomb69> OliverK, an attempt to seperate irl and irc.
01:13:48 <dabomb69> I'm gonna switch to that nick on irc soon sometime too.
01:13:52 <OliverK> k
01:14:02 <OliverK> then contact john about swiching the nicks
01:14:14 <OliverK> you're not suppoes to have multiple logins :p
01:14:14 <dabomb69> oh, duh, good idea
01:14:16 <dabomb69> lol
01:14:18 <dabomb69> ooh
01:14:20 <OliverK> not that jth ever answers email
01:14:24 <dabomb69> lol
01:14:45 <BuddhaChu> any rumors on when this autoupdater for portableapps is coming out?
01:14:51 <sar3th> actually he does, if he knows what you email him and he's waiting for it
01:15:02 <OliverK> meh
01:15:03 <sar3th> BuddhaChu: sure, but none of them are true
01:15:04 <OliverK> i emailed him
01:15:11 <OliverK> and he never got back
01:15:13 <sar3th> only the answer "when it's done" is right one
01:15:24 <OliverK> better to blackmail him on irc
01:15:26 <BuddhaChu> yeah, I hear that all the time
01:15:32 <BuddhaChu> i use it at work too myself
01:15:33 <sar3th> OliverK: agreed
01:15:34 <OliverK> sar3th: wasn't that kind of anser that i needed
01:15:48 <OliverK> dabomb69: and pul you gedit link or updat ethe launcher :P
01:16:18 <dabomb69> lol, OliverK, how out of date is the gedit launchef? :P
01:16:25 <Gizmokid2005> BuddhaChu: should try out KVIrc ;)
01:16:35 <OliverK> dabomb69: i dont' know how out of date it is
01:16:41 <OliverK> but you have unresolved bugs
01:16:44 <BuddhaChu> before I retired from the air Force a few months ago we were installing a system to use Mirc over an Iridium sat phone connection from the E-3 while in-flight
01:16:48 <OliverK> either fix it, or pull it :p
01:17:01 <dabomb69> OliverK, ah
01:17:03 <dabomb69> lol, k
01:17:09 <ZachThibeau> I'm implimenting some stuff to make it mIRCish to a degree
01:17:18 <OliverK> :O
01:17:27 <dabomb69> O:
01:17:37 <dabomb69> ZachThibeau, what kind of mircishness?
01:18:03 <ZachThibeau> let me check the forums again for the request xD
01:18:08 <dabomb69> lol
01:18:26 <BuddhaChu> hey Zach, remiond me what your username in the forums was before you changed it?
01:18:41 <ZachThibeau> http://pchat-irc.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=8 and my old username was thibeaz :P
01:18:51 <BuddhaChu> that's it!
01:19:20 <dabomb69> I... don't get it. lol
01:19:51 <OliverK> it was fixed :p
01:20:12 <BuddhaChu> ok fruitloops..I have Bad Companmy 2 and they installed new server yesterday to help with overcrowding so I gotta bounce to see if it helped any
01:20:19 <BuddhaChu> leter date
01:20:22 <BuddhaChu> later*
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01:22:35 <ZachThibeau> anyways PChat is also going to be rebuilt using gcc 4.5.0 now :)
01:23:09 <dabomb69> ZachThibeau, nice! o:
01:23:10 <ZachThibeau> which is what mingw64 project uses (both their 64bit tool chain and their 32bit version of mingw64)
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02:37:23 <pa_5271> Hello!
02:37:34 <dabomb69> Hi pa_5271!
02:37:41 <ChrisMorgan> Can we help you with anything?
02:38:33 <pa_5271> sure! I unplugged a usb stick from a computer without doing the "safely remove device " step...
02:39:22 <pa_5271> and i ended up (somehow) with windows scanning - and automatically fixing - the "documents" folder... tranforming it into a single unreadable file
02:39:28 <pa_5271> something seen before?
02:40:22 <ChrisMorgan> That happens sometimes. It's not Windows' fault, it's a quite common problem with the FAT/FAT32 format.
02:40:33 <pa_5271> ok...
02:40:50 <pa_5271> so... i guess the question is: are my documents dead?
02:40:56 <ChrisMorgan> Yes.
02:41:06 <ChrisMorgan> It's remotely possible that you could get them back though
02:41:15 <ChrisMorgan> With a tool like Recuva or Undelete Plus
02:41:38 <ChrisMorgan> But don't do anything with the drive until you can use them - install them on the local machine so that nothing gets touched on the disk.
02:41:39 <pa_5271> well... i make regular backups... so i probably only lost a couple of hours of work...
02:41:45 <ChrisMorgan> There's no guarrantee it'll work though
02:42:11 <pa_5271> it's probably more work trying to retreive them than just working from the backup
02:42:34 <ChrisMorgan> Good, good, I wish more people would backup regularly ;-)
02:42:38 <ChrisMorgan> :-)
02:42:41 <pa_5271> btw... this is by far the best support i ever had with any piece of software...
02:43:03 <ChrisMorgan> Thanks! We try :-)
02:43:45 <ChrisMorgan> I know I've had unsatisfactory support with lots of commercial software myself. In some ways freely-provided (and volunteer-based) support seems to end up better than the commercial ones... not entirely sure why that is.
02:43:56 <ChrisMorgan> Software/hardware/services that is
02:43:56 <pa_5271> Well... thank you very much. What would be the safest file format for a usb stick?
02:44:11 <ChrisMorgan> Generally go with FAT32.
02:44:13 <ChrisMorgan> How big's the disk?
02:44:21 <pa_5271> yes. Documentation seems to be the weak point with free/open software these days tho.
02:44:35 <OliverK> documentation is always a problem
02:44:36 <ChrisMorgan> You can format it with NTFS but there aren't really any compelling reasons to do that.
02:44:41 <pa_5271> this one is a 2gigs
02:44:56 <ChrisMorgan> Go/stay with FAT32 I'd say.
02:44:59 <OliverK> there was is a compelling reason not to
02:45:05 <OliverK> has to do with vista and permissions
02:45:09 <OliverK> stay with fat32
02:45:19 <pa_5271> ok ,thank you very much!
02:45:31 <ChrisMorgan> OliverK: sensible people using NTFS on a USB disk turn off ACLs when they format.
02:45:41 <OliverK> heh
02:45:50 <OliverK> most people haven't a clue what that means
02:45:54 <OliverK> and just use defualts
02:46:01 <ChrisMorgan> With the PortableApps.com Launcher I've been finding by and large that the documentation takes longer to write than the code.
02:46:33 <OliverK> yeah
02:46:36 <OliverK> you know what it does
02:46:53 <pa_5271> yes, and i guess audience vary a lot too... making a doc file understandable by anybody is sometime difficult...
02:47:16 <pa_5271> computer litteracy vary greatly from one person to the next
02:47:23 <OliverK> indeed
02:47:30 <OliverK> good programming is hard
02:47:36 <OliverK> but good documentation is harder
02:47:37 <dabomb69> Writing your own documentation is harder.
02:47:42 <OliverK> i found that when i was writing some
02:47:47 <OliverK> autoclose, intellilaunch
02:48:15 <ChrisMorgan> OK, I'll wave a magic wand and ask some of you to write PAL documentation for me :D
02:48:15 <OliverK> actaully got picked on for my autoclose documentation not being very good
02:48:21 <OliverK> hell no
02:48:26 <OliverK> :p
02:48:29 <dabomb69> ChrisMorgan, xD
02:49:18 <pa_5271> anyways... i have to go... (cause it seems like i got myself some extra work to do)
02:49:30 <ChrisMorgan> Bye
02:49:31 <pa_5271> cheers
02:49:36 <dabomb69> Bye pa_5271
02:49:39 <ChrisMorgan> Enjoy your day :-)
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03:53:29 <OliverK> i'm impressed by the spammer on the forums
03:53:32 <OliverK> he's busy
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04:06:01 <ChrisMorgan> Yuck. Now I've got to spend time clearing up this spam.
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04:11:08 <ChrisMorgan> There. Ten minutes later and I've got it under control. That spammer wasted ten minutes of my time :-(
04:11:27 <ChrisMorgan> I should send a bill for $100 to the spammer's email address... ;-)
04:23:25 * Mir got a laptop for 100$
04:23:32 <Mir> Dell Vostro 1500
04:23:44 <ChrisMorgan> I think that's fairly irrelevant :P
04:23:45 <Mir> will not boot to CD no matter what i do
04:25:31 <Bensawsome> Mir update bios?
04:25:46 <Bensawsome> clear cmos
04:25:47 <Bensawsome> lol
04:26:24 <Mir> neither worked
04:26:29 <Mir> bios is updated
04:26:39 <Mir> cmos is near impossible to do
04:26:49 <Mir> its a laptop dood
04:26:54 <Bensawsome> and you checked whether those can?
04:26:56 <Bensawsome> lol
04:27:00 <Mir> the batter is who the fuck knows
04:27:02 <Bensawsome> i've done it on several laptops
04:27:12 <Bensawsome> usually under the keyboard if its removable
04:27:18 <Bensawsome> if not its easyt enouigh to google
04:27:21 <Mir> just got the POS about an hour ago
04:27:36 <Mir> actualy its near one of the ram slots
04:28:02 <Mir> doesnt seem to bee too happy about not having a hard drive in it
04:28:04 <Mir> :/
04:28:18 <Bensawsome> lol
04:28:21 <Bensawsome> fail Mir
04:28:23 <Mir> what annoys me is the boot select sucks
04:28:51 <Mir> why whould i when i choose boot select want Nic Diagnostics and BIOS
04:29:02 <Mir> Freaking give me other options MOFO
04:29:04 <Bensawsome> lol
04:29:10 * Mir is annoyed
04:29:12 <Bensawsome> idunnolol
04:29:13 <Mir> oh well
04:29:16 <Mir> 100$
04:29:18 <Mir> meh
04:29:25 <Bensawsome> not bad for 100 bucks though
04:29:27 <Mir> i can spare the headaches
04:29:39 <Mir> 512mb dedicated Vram
04:29:42 <Mir> \o/
04:29:47 <Bensawsome> WOW
04:29:49 <Bensawsome> epic
04:29:53 <Mir> win
04:30:02 <Mir> ~_0
04:30:03 <Bensawsome> does i hear epic gaming computer?
04:30:13 <Mir> possibliy
04:30:22 <Mir> but it gets Linux
04:30:28 <Mir> no winblows D:
04:30:30 <Bensawsome> lol ya
04:30:42 <Mir> so thus epic failz
04:30:42 <OliverK> awww
04:31:07 <Mir> heh
04:31:16 * OliverK likes windows
04:31:21 <Mir> found a multi adapter fo4r it too
04:31:27 <Mir> Air, Car Home
04:31:30 <Mir> :D
04:31:32 <Mir> sweet
04:31:59 <Mir> this computer has 64mb dedicated Vram
04:32:30 <OliverK> wow
04:32:34 <OliverK> that's like, ancient
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04:40:39 <Bensawsome> OliverK most of my desktops i have came with 64mb integrated vram -_-
04:40:46 <OliverK> huh
04:40:52 * OliverK wonders what his is
04:40:57 <Bensawsome> one i've upgraded to 256 dedi with a friend gfx card
04:41:50 <Bensawsome> dimension l550r has 32mb integrated, dimension 2300 has 64 integrated, and the dimension 8250 i have came with a 64mb dedi card but i upgraded it to 256
04:45:54 <OliverK> says the memory size is 256
04:46:13 <ChrisMorgan> Methinks maybe #portableapps-ot could be a good place for this
04:46:18 <OliverK> heh
04:46:34 <OliverK> methinks it doesn't really matter right now
04:49:52 <OliverK> anywho, night all
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04:57:09 <Mir> well
04:57:11 <Mir> Power
04:57:14 <Mir> err
04:58:16 <Mir> PwoerEdge 1800 16mb dedicated, PowerMac G4 16MB Rage Pro Ultra, This computer 64MB GeForce3200M
04:58:45 <Mir> oh and the Compaq has a 16mb dedicated VIA
04:58:51 <Mir> wasnt VIA then but is now
04:58:59 <Mir> i forgot the name
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05:24:00 <pa_2572> hi
05:24:06 <pa_2572> is der any one?
05:24:09 <ChrisMorgan> Sure
05:24:13 <ChrisMorgan> Please ask your question!
05:24:46 <pa_2572> do we get amy problems to the files if we indtall
05:25:04 <ChrisMorgan> What do you mean?
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05:27:42 <Bensawsome> hmmm maybe he meant does it change any existing files if you isntall it?
05:28:01 <ChrisMorgan> I /think/ so. But I don't know and he wouldn't explain...
05:28:05 <ChrisMorgan> And then, what's he installing?
05:28:12 <ChrisMorgan> And what "files" is he asking about?
05:28:35 <Bensawsome> portableapps, existing files on his usb drives :P
05:33:56 <Mir> Bensawsome: i figured it out
05:34:09 <Mir> the optical drive is going bad
05:34:12 <Mir> :/
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05:34:44 <JohnTHaller> hola
05:34:47 * Mir has a feeling this computer will eb a black hole where money goes but never comes out
05:34:50 <Mir> hola
05:34:52 <dragonmage> Hi JTH
05:34:55 <ChrisMorgan> Hey JohnTHaller :-)
05:35:47 <JohnTHaller> Working on a test build of the new theme switcher in the menu.
05:35:49 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller, did you see that nasty big lot of spam?
05:35:55 <JohnTHaller> I killed it
05:36:02 <Mir> \o/
05:36:18 <JohnTHaller> hi dragonmage
05:36:25 <ChrisMorgan> How, SQL?
05:36:41 <Mir> because he's JTH
05:36:43 <ChrisMorgan> I started on it but only killed about 20 before the rest were gone so I knew /someone/ did something about it.
05:37:06 <JohnTHaller> Oh, I didn't see ALL those ealier. I killed like the last 8 or so and killed the acct
05:37:24 <ChrisMorgan> I blocked it myself...?
05:37:28 <JohnTHaller> just PMed you the screenshot of the theme switcher current incarnation
05:37:40 <ChrisMorgan> Yep, looks good except for the magenta corners
05:37:50 <dragonmage> does drupal have a "delete all posts by user" option?
05:38:06 <JohnTHaller> Yeah. Gonna include theme previews eventually. But when missing, we'll use something like that.
05:38:13 <ChrisMorgan> dragonmage, it could be done fairly simply now with Actions but I'm not aware of an implementation yet
05:38:19 <JohnTHaller> ANd dragonmage, you'll not that it does subthemes :-)
05:38:23 <JohnTHaller> not = note
05:38:50 <dragonmage> awesome
05:38:52 <ChrisMorgan> That's the first spammer I'm aware of that's done more than two or three posts.
05:39:14 <JohnTHaller> dragonmage: Did you see the screenshot I PMed you?
05:39:46 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: Yeah, it's usually just 2 or 3
05:40:06 <dragonmage> just did
05:40:23 <dragonmage> what is Advanced?
05:40:27 <JohnTHaller> It's an early build. Mainly focusing on the functionality at the moment
05:40:42 <JohnTHaller> Stuff like RemainVisible. Group multi-icon apps as one, etc.
05:41:05 <ChrisMorgan> Will many->one icons be on by default?
05:41:17 <JohnTHaller> Nope
05:41:33 <JohnTHaller> dragonmage: Just PMed you the color mixer screenshots, too.
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05:41:51 <ChrisMorgan> Ooh, could I please see that one too?
05:41:55 <JohnTHaller> You can build alpha PNG themes and mix a color in from the back wherever there is transparency.
05:42:07 <JohnTHaller> done
05:42:12 <JohnTHaller> Thought you saw that ChrisMorgan
05:42:23 <ChrisMorgan> No
05:42:31 <dragonmage> neat trick
05:42:43 <JohnTHaller> Ah. Well there's the current build. The chrome is a bit further along now, but I don't have it yet.
05:43:11 <ChrisMorgan> Good, colour behind PNG alpha is exactly how I imagined it at one stage.
05:43:29 <JohnTHaller> dragonmage: Yeah. So you can build one theme with maybe 15 built in colors (using the color names included in the platform like Blue, Red, etc that will be translated). And allow the user to pick their own custom color
05:44:48 <dragonmage> gonna make my pac rainmeter a little trickier
05:45:09 <JohnTHaller> You can do standard themes (no PNG alpha to color blend) with subthemes, too... just change simple things like fonts, etc.
05:45:18 <dragonmage> it is doable though we just added image tinting
05:45:21 <JohnTHaller> Or change the background or icons, or whatever
05:45:48 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: any chance you could blur the shadow on the disk usage meter? It looks a bit messy now.
05:45:59 <JohnTHaller> I can provide the current themes BG color selection as an env var or something if that helps. But that'll only work when you launch rainmeter from PA.c the first time
05:46:27 <JohnTHaller> The shadow on the text? No. It's just more text.
05:46:42 <ChrisMorgan> And no filters or anything you can do to it?
05:46:46 <ChrisMorgan> :-(
05:46:52 <JohnTHaller> Not with our current Delphi build, no.
05:47:02 <JohnTHaller> I'm gonna switch to 2010 after 2.0 which should let us.
05:47:02 <dragonmage> can you write that to the ini?
05:48:09 <ChrisMorgan> With 2b4 holding down Alt shows the access keys for the right hand side with the underlines, like &Documents, as you'd probably expect, but they don't actually... do anything.
05:48:19 <JohnTHaller> dragonmage: Yeah, I can write it to the INI for you. In 2.1 you could do rainmeter as a platform plugin. It's just a specially formatted PAF really, but it gets auto-run on platform start. can get pinged when a new app is installed or a theme changes. can get told to close as the platform is closing down, etc
05:48:32 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: I know, they will
05:48:39 <ChrisMorgan> Good :-)
05:48:48 <JohnTHaller> It's a holdover from 1.1, actually, when it DID do sometrhing
05:49:00 <ChrisMorgan> And then it broke or was removed?
05:49:15 <JohnTHaller> It broke when we switched to PNG and the folder buttons changed
05:49:25 <dragonmage> That's sounds interesting
05:49:26 <JohnTHaller> They're not really buttons now, so it doesn't work Windows wise
05:50:00 <dragonmage> sounds like you've had a lot of changes I need to catch up on
05:50:15 <ChrisMorgan> I think the thing I dislike most about the Platform is that it's not keyboard-accessible. Other than that I have actually been using the Platform now on my new (small) Uni disk for chrome, gvim, 7z, inkscape, pchat, putty, mercurial "etc.".
05:50:29 <JohnTHaller> Well, extensions is only in the planning stage. The themes are coming along well. I'm working on getting that out in some form ASAP so you guys can play with it.
05:50:45 <ChrisMorgan> I've been working on a FIT1029 assignment just now (such things being part of the reason why I'm not getting so much done on the Launcher) but I'm about to go home. Bye.
05:50:53 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: I know, accessibility is a sticking point. I have a method I'm gonna be using to get it working, though
05:51:42 <ChrisMorgan> How's business going?
05:51:48 <JohnTHaller> So so. SLow still.
05:52:25 <ChrisMorgan> I reckon 2.0 might improve things. I hope so
05:52:50 <JohnTHaller> It should yeah. In talks with another biggy who is diggin what we're doing with 2.0
05:54:49 <ChrisMorgan> Bye
05:54:53 <JohnTHaller> gnight
05:54:59 <JohnTHaller> gnight all. sleep time
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05:55:14 <dragonmage> I need to review Litstep Portable also
05:55:33 <dragonmage> *Litestep
05:55:50 <JohnTHaller> cool.l i haven't looked at it in a while
05:56:11 <dragonmage> considering a full portable system makeover
05:56:26 <JohnTHaller> alright, i do need sleep. talk sooon
05:56:36 <dragonmage> night John
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09:39:28 <koriban> portable apps launchers are using 34 mb memory each!
09:40:17 <koriban> help!
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16:08:04 <JohnTHaller> hola
16:10:54 <Gizmokid2005> hello JohnTHaller
16:12:32 <JohnTHaller> how goes it
16:12:43 <JohnTHaller> hey, did you see the theme switching interface yet?
16:13:22 <Gizmokid2005> it goes. Playing in some more excel today, creating unnatural formulas. Passing the time - only 2 days and 5 days for my b-day and wedding, respectively. And no, I didn't. I saw the conversation of it, but not screenshots.
16:13:38 <JohnTHaller> PMed
16:13:54 <JohnTHaller> Bday and then wedding, eh? Busy busy
16:14:00 <Gizmokid2005> Got it. Hmmm, looks interesting.
16:14:05 <Gizmokid2005> yep yep.
16:14:18 <Gizmokid2005> trying to take this week as easy as I can.
16:14:30 <Gizmokid2005> gotta work hard today and tomorrow...then I'm off until mid-next week
16:14:39 <JohnTHaller> yea
16:20:52 <Gizmokid2005> =IF(IF(U2="Annual",MID(M2,FIND("ANNUAL",M2,1)+7,5),"")="M USE",MID(M2,FIND("USER",M2,1)+5,5),IF(U2="Annual",MID(M2,FIND("ANNUAL",M2,1)+7,5),"")) <-- unnatural I tell you.
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16:25:34 <JohnTHaller> ouch
16:25:37 <JohnTHaller> that hurt my brain
16:25:51 <Gizmokid2005> oh, it's getting much worse since excel is bad at dates as well...
16:32:20 <Gizmokid2005> hahaha, it's funny when you get this error "The specified formula cannot be entered because it uses more levels of nesting than are allowed in the current file format."
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18:11:49 <SteveLamerton> Hello all
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18:17:53 <Simeon> hi all
18:18:14 <SteveLamerton> Hi Simeon
18:18:23 <Simeon> Hi Steve
18:34:46 <Simeon> Yay! SanDisk is dominating the global USB drive market (21% market share)! I have one so I like it :)
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18:55:25 <Gizmokid2005> hello SteveLamerton
18:55:58 <SteveLamerton> Hi Gizmokid2005
18:56:23 <Gizmokid2005> how goes it?
18:56:50 <SteveLamerton> No so bad, things quietening down here so should get a bit more programming time soon, you?
18:57:23 <Gizmokid2005> not too bad, wish I could say things are quieting down...though that's about as opposite as I can get right now.
18:57:39 <Gizmokid2005> Birthday is in 2 days, I'm getting married in 5, and I have today and tomorrow to work still, and a lot to do...
18:57:42 <Gizmokid2005> very busy month still
18:58:48 <SteveLamerton> Well I hope it all goes well for you :)
18:59:21 <Gizmokid2005> Thanks :)
18:59:37 <Gizmokid2005> I'm playing with excel...doing formulas that are NOT natural...but it's getting what I need, accomplished.
18:59:52 <Bensawsome> lol
18:59:58 <Bensawsome> i saw ur problem earlier Gizmokid2005
19:00:01 <Bensawsome> xD
19:00:04 <Gizmokid2005> which one Bensawsome?
19:00:15 <Bensawsome> the one when you were talking with john
19:00:16 <Bensawsome> xD
19:00:20 <Bensawsome> complicated stuff
19:00:53 <Gizmokid2005> you mean =IF(IF(U2="Annual",MID(M2,FIND("ANNUAL",M2,1)+7,5),"")="M USE",MID(M2,FIND("USER",M2,1)+5,5),IF(U2="Annual",MID(M2,FIND("ANNUAL",M2,1)+7,5),"")) <-- unnatural I tell you.
19:00:57 <Bensawsome> yep
19:00:58 <Bensawsome> lol
19:01:17 <Bensawsome> i love that featuere though... it is nice if you need it
19:01:22 <Gizmokid2005> which feature?
19:01:27 <Bensawsome> formulas in excel
19:01:37 <Gizmokid2005> haha, it's a must have...and there's some unnatural stuff
19:01:45 <Bensawsome> yep
19:01:46 <Gizmokid2005> like...http://gizmokid2005.com/images/excel_lol.png
19:02:10 <Bensawsome> LOL
19:02:16 <Bensawsome> fail
19:03:30 <Gizmokid2005> I guess trying to nest 11 IF statements is bad, huh?
19:03:40 <Bensawsome> lol nice.....
19:04:14 <Bensawsome> i once tried that in java class....
19:04:22 <SteveLamerton> I once wrote a wordsearch generator in excel, enough to give nightmares...
19:04:28 <Bensawsome> except i think i did it wrong and the whole computer crashed and burned
19:04:29 <Bensawsome> >_<
19:04:33 <Gizmokid2005> Lol Bensawsome
19:04:55 <Gizmokid2005> what I was trying to do would've been better in a loop...but I'm not writing something in VBA for what I needed
19:04:59 <Bensawsome> seriosuly though... i couldnt even hold down ther p[ower button to turn it off it was so bad
19:05:10 <Bensawsome> i had to unplug it
19:05:11 <Bensawsome> -_-
19:05:22 <Bensawsome> my teacher wondered how the heck i did it
19:05:35 <Bensawsome> and everyone was laughing so much xD
19:06:21 <Gizmokid2005> haha nice
19:06:40 <SteveLamerton> Yay, finally fixed a long standing bug in Toucan with Unicdoe characters in Backup thanks to the latest 7zip beta :)
19:06:44 <SteveLamerton> *Unicode
19:06:54 <Gizmokid2005> good job SteveLamerton :)
19:07:05 <Gizmokid2005> I once locked up excel for 2 hours with what I was doing in it with formulas
19:07:09 <Simeon> hi guys
19:07:17 <Gizmokid2005> it did eventually finish....but it took a LONG time
19:07:18 <Gizmokid2005> hello Simeon
19:07:20 <Bensawsome> nice Gizmokid2005 :P
19:07:37 <Gizmokid2005> I know Bensawsome, funny thing is, it's a C2D with 2GB ram that got locked up too
19:07:49 <Bensawsome> o_o
19:07:51 <Bensawsome> wow
19:07:54 <Bensawsome> lol
19:08:21 <Gizmokid2005> that's what happens when you do vlookups off of other vlookups which are based off of some if statements, and then you refill a formula....yeah
19:08:26 <Gizmokid2005> got paid for it though
19:08:43 <Bensawsome> oh nice
19:08:54 <Bensawsome> always worth it when you get paid :3
19:08:58 <Gizmokid2005> yep
19:16:06 <Gizmokid2005> I'm not sure how 12=1 though....
19:16:09 <Gizmokid2005> apparently excel thinks it is...
19:16:15 <Simeon> haha
19:16:44 <Simeon> maybe a number system based on 11 ? ;)
19:17:00 <Gizmokid2005> aaahhh, there we go. Because there was only one value I was calculating on, it wasn't seeing that number as the month when I used the month() function
19:26:31 <SteveLamerton> To save me looking through the logs does anyone here have the link to the new updater pics?
19:27:14 <Simeon> Id like to have it too but I fear John PMed them. Anyone knows for sure?
19:28:33 <sar3th> Simeon, SteveLamerton: yes, john pm'd them afaikl
19:29:06 <SteveLamerton> Oh well
19:29:10 <Gizmokid2005> he did pm them
19:29:21 <Gizmokid2005> and to a temp folder, I don't have the links handy to show you SteveLamerton, or I would, sorry
19:29:38 <Gizmokid2005> I know he'd be ok with you seeing them.
19:30:27 <SteveLamerton> No worries, I'll bug him the next time he arrives ;)
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19:43:37 <ZachThibeau> howdy SteveLamerton :)
19:43:45 <SteveLamerton> Hi ZachThibeau
19:44:03 <ZachThibeau> gtk 2.18.7 isn't being nice to me and PChat :/
19:44:24 <ZachThibeau> the gtk wimp theme is broken and doesn't work properly :/
19:45:01 <ZachThibeau> so I'm no longer using prebuilt libraries but compiling gtk by myself
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19:45:26 <ZachThibeau> first though I need to fix my mingw installation by updating m4 autotools etc
19:45:36 <ZachThibeau> and then I'm going to attempt at compiling perl too
19:47:19 <SteveLamerton> Just working through some Unicode issues here, not quite sure of the cause yet though ;)
19:47:50 <ZachThibeau> well I manually updated gcc for mingw to 4.5.0
19:48:50 <SteveLamerton> Oh wow, the Toucan mercurial graph looks crazy: http://portableapps.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/portableapps/toucan/graph
19:48:50 <ZachThibeau> so some of the libraries I'm using need to be updated etc to ensure it works with my updated compiler
19:49:24 <ZachThibeau> O_o
19:50:26 <SteveLamerton> Yeah, crazy....
19:50:29 <sar3th> ZachThibeau: just do what i did, download sources, ./configure --perfix=/mingw && make && make install
19:50:36 <sar3th> if your mingw is mounted to /mingw
19:51:11 <ZachThibeau> lol I know :P
19:51:50 <ZachThibeau> all in the mean while I'm watching Big Bang Theory
19:54:00 <ZachThibeau> though autoconf isn't properly finding my newly compiled m4 binary :/
19:54:31 <sar3th> i think you need to run libtool or something to install the libs
19:55:31 <ZachThibeau> so sar3th are you going to update mingw with the latest gcc? :D
19:55:53 <sar3th> yes, as i posted on the thread :P
19:56:04 <ZachThibeau> sorry I wasn't reading the thread :P
19:56:15 <ZachThibeau> I was only reading irc and my compile log :P
19:56:28 <sar3th> lol
19:56:39 <sar3th> well yeah, i will update mingw portable to have the current gcc
19:56:43 <sar3th> and autotools
19:56:45 <sar3th> and so forth
19:56:48 <ZachThibeau> :D
19:57:07 <sar3th> twm is planned as well as your dragon mingw64
19:57:19 <ZachThibeau> :)
20:14:52 <qwertymodo> SteveLamerton found the updater pic links and PM'ed em to ya
20:16:48 <Simeon> can you Pm them to me 2?
20:18:05 <qwertymodo> if anyone else wants them, ask SteveLamerton or Simeon, I'm going to lunch :)
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20:18:28 <pa_4060> test...
20:18:44 <Simeon> thanks
20:18:59 <qwertymodo|AFK> np :)
20:19:16 <pa_4060> hello all, did someone notice unmount problems using the 1.6 suite?
20:20:05 <Simeon> ho. What Windows version do you have?
20:20:38 <Simeon> ho= no
20:22:13 <pa_4060> vista 64
20:22:30 <pa_4060> but it also happens on xp sp3
20:22:58 <pa_4060> i get the "drive is in use" message
20:23:07 <Simeon> Ah.
20:23:21 <pa_4060> especially when i try quiting using the papps menu
20:23:37 <Simeon> And it isnt in use? do you have other programs running which you used to open something on the drive?
20:24:31 <pa_4060> i closed all apps from the drive except the menu and waited a few minutes, so no i doubt that
20:24:48 <pa_4060> the virus scanner was disabeled
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20:26:11 <kensai> ...
20:27:23 <Simeon> some apps like Acrobat still keep you from unplugging your drive if you had something open from your drive and pdfs from your local hdd and you only close the ones on your drive
20:27:52 <Simeon> can you exit the drive normally?
20:28:02 <kensai> what do you mean ?
20:28:25 <Simeon> without the platforms built in exit program
20:29:44 <kensai> i can not tell for sure, but i think i can exit it more reliably without the menu
20:30:27 <kensai> i tried to trace the source using procmon, but i am not that good with it
20:30:52 <kensai> the logfile is too long to check manually
20:31:22 <Simeon> the only problem I had was that I couldnt exit it at all - the platform never gave me problems.
20:31:43 <kensai> the platform finished i thim
20:31:45 <kensai> nk
20:31:49 <kensai> *think
20:32:26 <Simeon> the platform isnt a problem if you use the built in unmounter. It only is a problem if you want to un mount it manually.
20:32:31 <kensai> but the stick was still nat abe to be unmounted
20:32:50 <kensai> *not able
20:33:38 <Simeon> then I guess its another program having its claws on it :) Do you know Unlocker?
20:33:50 <Simeon> or ProcessExplorer
20:34:44 <Simeon> Process Explorer is a better/more feature rich task manager than the usual windows one and it can be used to find out what programm keeps you from unmounting your drive
20:35:13 <kensai> i know both, but i didnt know unlocker was able to be used on drives(i kow of files) and as i said, process explorer poses some probles for me
20:36:17 <Simeon> im on linux now so I cant try it myself but if you install unlocker, I think you can rightclick on a drive and check for applications using it
20:37:06 <kensai> how about procmon/procexp ?
20:37:13 <Simeon> I havent used them
20:38:20 <sar3th> Simeon: you're right about unlocker usage
20:38:34 <Simeon> What happens if you take ProcessExplorer and go to the "find handle" menu entry and enter the Drive letter of your stick?
20:39:09 <Simeon> that should do the trick
20:39:28 <Simeon> (btw Process Explorer looks funny on linux:))
20:40:04 <kensai> ahhh
20:40:10 <kensai> now there is the magic
20:40:24 <Simeon> what was it?
20:40:48 <kensai> tryin it right now
20:43:36 <kensai> hmm.... it always works when you try to demonstrate a bug
20:43:46 <kensai> murhy has a low for that i think
20:43:59 <kensai> *murphy
20:44:04 <Simeon> yes
20:44:05 <kensai> and * law
20:44:18 <Simeon> but im glad i could help
20:44:25 <kensai> well, thx anyway now i know how and where to look
20:44:52 <Simeon> just doesnt help you miuch when you're not at home :(
20:45:21 <kensai> i'll post on the forum if it turns out to me the suite
20:45:29 <Simeon> ok
20:45:42 <kensai> thanks again & by
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20:46:22 <Simeon> Bye all
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20:47:51 <benedikt93> Hello @all.
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20:48:23 <benedikt93> A question the german speaking here: how would you translate "fallback" ?
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20:49:17 <benedikt93> It's this sentence: "If used in conjunction with the registry entries above, it will be used as a fallback if the registry entry is missing or doesn't point to a valid path."
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21:21:29 <sar3th> is it possible to have more than one optional package in PAF 1.0?
21:23:00 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: no
21:23:43 <ChrisMorgan> That's something I should work on. It'd be reasonably straightforward to do but John didn't want to do it at the start; I think I could do it now though.
21:23:49 <sar3th> then my interpretation of the paf specification was right :|
21:23:52 <ChrisMorgan> I'll ask him what he reckons about it.
21:24:13 <sar3th> okay, sure, let me know if it'll be in anytime soon ;)
21:27:32 <ChrisMorgan> Probably won't happen just "soon"... got Uni assignments etc. as well as PAL work
21:28:07 <sar3th> :|
21:28:15 <sar3th> i have to use "addons" the
21:28:17 <sar3th> *then
21:31:18 <sar3th> hm...
21:31:40 <sar3th> i cannot just put mingw in there: ERROR: No EXE in C:\mingw portable\package.
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22:18:29 <ChrisMorgan> PAL now has basic power failure/disk-removal recovery (write an INI value just before Exec which gets cleaned up in Unload, check in Init and if it's there skip Pre* and Exec and goes straight to Post)
22:21:58 <sar3th> nice
23:05:19 <ChrisMorgan> Didn't finish before I have to go :-(
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