IRC Log from 2010-03-16
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01:19:37 <Spaceghost> cool
01:19:59 <Spaceghost> I was searching the unofficial version portable of XChat, and now I find PChat!
01:20:06 <Spaceghost> I never saw
01:20:10 <Spaceghost> before
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01:20:40 <rbrt13> hello
01:20:55 <Spaceghost> hi
01:21:07 <Spaceghost> I will test PChat now
01:21:30 <Spaceghost> I have others portables versions of forks, but have a lot of problems
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01:30:13 <sar3th> Spaceghost: pchat works pretty well as far as i know
01:30:58 <Spaceghost> :)
01:32:12 <Spaceghost> I am searching a app similar to a calendar
01:32:33 <Spaceghost> Task Coach is the most similar? but I think that isn't that I am searching
01:32:52 <Spaceghost> something similar to google's calendar
01:33:11 <Spaceghost> exist a open source or freeware program to this?
01:34:05 <Gizmokid2005> Spaceghost: Sunbird
01:34:08 <Gizmokid2005> is a calendar program
01:34:21 <Spaceghost> ah
01:34:22 <Spaceghost> cool
01:34:27 <Gizmokid2005> .pa Sunbird
01:34:42 <Gizmokid2005> .g site:portableapps.com Sunbird Portable
01:34:43 <GizmoBot> Gizmokid2005: http://portableapps.com/apps/office/sunbird_portable
01:34:48 <Gizmokid2005> there you go Spaceghost ^^
01:34:50 <Spaceghost> was in Office
01:34:53 <Spaceghost> ok
01:35:17 <Spaceghost> thanks Gizmokid2005
01:35:23 <Gizmokid2005> you're welcome Spaceghost
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03:08:07 <JohnTHaller> hola
03:09:47 <ZachThibeau> howdy JohnTHaller
03:10:04 <JohnTHaller> how goes it
03:11:18 <ZachThibeau> not too bad
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03:11:46 <ZachThibeau> recompiling gtk 2.18.7 and the wimp theme so I can update PChat's gtk version
03:11:51 <JohnTHaller> Wanna see a PM of the options screen I'm wrestling with?
03:11:53 <JohnTHaller> Ah nice.
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03:12:44 <ZachThibeau> yeah sure
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03:13:32 <ZachThibeau> I'm actually liking this, the platform is actually looking like a advance but simple platform :)
03:14:06 <JohnTHaller> I'm trying to keep things as simple as possible to follow. I've tightened up the theme switcher, too.
03:14:45 <JohnTHaller> The big issue is properly presenting the category, favorite and frequently used options to the user in an understandable way.
03:14:51 <ZachThibeau> yeah I like the look of the themes tab reminds me of what bently did with xenon 2.0
03:16:41 <JohnTHaller> I tried to keep it tight. Followed Firefox and Linux a bit. Had to get sub-themes in there smartly, too. I may shrink the preview down and add in publisher info to the right of it, though.
03:18:16 <ZachThibeau> well I look forward to using it when it's ready
03:18:29 <ChrisMorgan> I wonder whether people would go for something loosely similar to the ListView in Windows - different "views" - Categories, favourites, etc.
03:19:50 <JohnTHaller> I just PMed you the options ChrisMorgan
03:20:10 <ChrisMorgan> Yep, that's pretty much what I was thinking of
03:20:56 <ChrisMorgan> Will the applications be available through the keyboard with 2.0 or not till after?
03:21:02 <JohnTHaller> I think those 4 options should cover everybody. ANd I think the default (first one) is probably the best option.
03:21:23 <ChrisMorgan> I reckon so
03:21:34 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: Yes and no. Probably just do the first 10 as hotkey-able directly. And then you can do keyboard navigation. I have a kludge that makes that work properly.
03:21:58 <ChrisMorgan> Even if it's arrow keys and Enter that seems fine to me.
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03:22:31 <JohnTHaller1> I tightened up the theme switcher, too.
03:22:42 <JohnTHaller1> Stupid net connection.
03:23:43 <JohnTHaller1> ChrisMorgan: I'm gonna go with CTRL-1, -2, etc analogous to the WIN-1, -2 etc that Windows 7 does for apps on the task bar as well as arrow keys and enter.
03:24:45 <ChrisMorgan> That's a good incentive for favourites.
03:25:03 <JohnTHaller1> Indeed.
03:25:14 <ChrisMorgan> How it works with categories will be interesting though... Emacs-style: Ctrl+U Ctrl+2 to get the second one in Utilities :P
03:25:33 <JohnTHaller1> Yeah, no way. arrow keys and enter and you like it
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03:27:18 <ChrisMorgan> I found the Office 2007 style "interesting" - they destroyed the possibility of the old style so they /had/ to do something. The popup style might possibly work with the applications pane; I don't know though
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03:29:29 <ChrisMorgan> I finished the copy-launcher.ini-to-$PLUGINSDIR-and-make-sure-all-that-gets-cleared-up stuff this morning but didn't get time to review my changes enough to be happy to commit it so it's sitting not committed at home.
03:29:46 <JohnTHaller> popup style?
03:29:49 <ChrisMorgan> I think that's the last change I really need to do before doing Beta 1.
03:29:55 <JohnTHaller> Ah nice, ChrisMorgan
03:30:01 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, I'd have to agree.
03:30:14 <JohnTHaller> I've got a couple folks interested in using the launcher to portablize apps now, too.
03:30:24 <ChrisMorgan> In Office 2007 when you hold down Alt it puts up little popup boxes with a character in all over the ribbon and top bar
03:30:29 <JohnTHaller> Made a nice step today to making PA.c Format a standard outside of our platform as well
03:30:40 <ChrisMorgan> Ooh!
03:30:45 <JohnTHaller> Ah ok. I don't use it so I'm not as familiar with it.
03:30:57 <ChrisMorgan> I've only used it here at Uni.
03:31:31 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, hardware manufacturer going a slightly different route, but one that could be complementary. Trying to avoid another U3 from anybody.
03:31:33 <ChrisMorgan> But "PortableApps.com Format specification" sounds much better than "ISO 12345:67" or "IEEE 1337" ;-)
03:32:19 <sar3th> agreed :)
03:32:27 <sar3th> no number remembering required
03:32:50 <JohnTHaller> heh
03:33:24 <JohnTHaller> sar3th: I just PMed you the screens we're talking about, too
03:33:37 <ChrisMorgan> Have you submitted "portablize" (or rather "portablise" ;-)) to the Oxford English Dictionary yet? ;-)
03:34:04 <JohnTHaller> It should be a Z!!!!
03:34:10 <sar3th> JohnTHaller: thanks, looks good
03:34:20 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: OED is English... not American :-)
03:34:22 <ZachThibeau> is that a Z with a zee or a Zed :P
03:34:33 <ChrisMorgan> ZachThibeau: stop stirrin' :P
03:34:41 <JohnTHaller> There is no such thing as a Zed :-P
03:35:03 <ZachThibeau> some people here could disagree but let's not get into details :P
03:36:39 <JohnTHaller> Debating whether to put Hide Desktop Icons in General or Advanced.
03:36:57 <ChrisMorgan> Advanced
03:37:04 <ChrisMorgan> I don't think many people would really care about it
03:37:06 <JohnTHaller> Yeah. I think that, too
03:37:32 <JohnTHaller> Also debating whether it makes sense to have a Font GUI or just let people drop fonts in the PA\PA.c\Data\Fonts directory.
03:37:45 <ChrisMorgan> Things like font size, language and ordering/categorisation are general. Hiding desktop icons isn't.
03:38:05 <ChrisMorgan> If people know about it they'll use it more - which is both good and bad.
03:38:25 <ChrisMorgan> I reckon for 2b5 at least don't put in a Fonts tab (or other GUI), do that later.
03:38:43 <ChrisMorgan> Possibly (but probably not) even as an add-on written in NSIS
04:11:11 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: concerning the PAL documentation; I'd like to have it online somewhere; how should I do that, at least before the release - a Page or just put help.html up on my server?
04:15:35 <ChrisMorgan> I've uploaded it to http://portableapps.chrismorgan.info/portableapps/launcher/help.html
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04:23:17 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: We should put a page up on the site for it once we have it up.
04:23:58 <ChrisMorgan> I'm just wondering how I'll do it with the new Sphinx-built documentation. Integrating it into Drupal would be messy, separate pages would be much easier.
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04:24:58 <ChrisMorgan> dragonmage (_*): do you need help?
04:25:31 <ChrisMorgan> Which one of you is the real one?
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04:28:21 <ChrisMorgan> dragonmage, dragonmage_, dragonmage__?
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04:29:40 <ChrisMorgan> dragonmage: please speak up...
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04:31:04 <JohnTHaller> He can hope back in with his real nick when he gets his connection issue sorted
04:31:22 <ChrisMorgan> I was planning on doing that... but I'm nice ;-)
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04:33:06 <Bensawsome> lol he's back
04:33:06 <Bensawsome> xD
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04:44:09 <JohnTHaller> alright, I'm gonna get some sleep. Gnight all
04:44:57 <ChrisMorgan> Gn'it'e JohnTHaller
04:49:59 <ChrisMorgan> Just one last thing, JohnTHaller, what's happening with the Installer? I've got some improvements I'd like to do at some point (preferably in a repository)
04:50:25 <JohnTHaller> It's on hold for a graphics update at the moment as part of the 2.0 rebranding.
04:50:26 <ChrisMorgan> Also sar3th was asking about multiple optional sections. I could do that.
04:50:30 <ChrisMorgan> Ahh
04:50:37 <JohnTHaller> No. We will NOT do multiple optional sections.
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04:50:42 <Spaceghost> hi
04:50:49 <Spaceghost> google chrome portable works?
04:50:52 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: see what I said? :D
04:50:53 <JohnTHaller> Hi Spaceghost. how can we help you
04:50:58 <ChrisMorgan> Spaceghost: works fine for me
04:51:00 <Spaceghost> I test in my laptop with Windows Vista
04:51:09 <JohnTHaller> Where did you install it to?
04:51:10 <Spaceghost> and now in my Desktop with Windows XP
04:51:16 <Spaceghost> and didn't work
04:51:24 <Spaceghost> in anyone computer
04:51:27 <ChrisMorgan> You moved it to a different directory - that's not supported
04:51:39 <ChrisMorgan> Changing the drive letter is fine but not the directory
04:51:41 <Spaceghost> JohnTHaller, in: C:\Archivos de programa\GoogleChromePortable
04:51:49 <Spaceghost> ahh
04:51:59 <Spaceghost> and why this?
04:52:07 <ChrisMorgan> Chrome and Songbird are the two main ones for which that's a problem.
04:52:09 <Spaceghost> I need necessary have it in the root?
04:52:10 <JohnTHaller> Yeah. It needs to stay in a consistent relative directory. The launcher updates the drive letter in config files.
04:52:18 <Spaceghost> :S
04:52:24 <Spaceghost> what a pitty
04:52:28 <ChrisMorgan> Spaceghost: it's just unsupported behaviour. That's the way it is. It's a bit harder to do it the other way.
04:52:32 <JohnTHaller> You can have it in X:\PortableApps\GoogleChromePortable for instance. As you move PCs the drive letter changes.
04:52:52 <JohnTHaller> It doesn't have to be in root, or any specific directory. You just can't randomly change the path on it.
04:53:48 <ChrisMorgan> A future version of the PortableApps.com Launcher will support telling you about it on such apps so you aren't just left mistified.
04:54:20 <Spaceghost> mistified?
04:54:30 <ChrisMorgan> Confused, wondering why nothing's happening
04:55:32 <Spaceghost> ok
04:55:42 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: I worked out a way to be able to use the PortableApps.com Launcher in all our programs, even the really complex ones - just like the PortableApps.com Installer can have custom code. I've already got the segmentation in the Launcher so it's actually fairly simple. What do you reckon?
04:55:56 <Spaceghost> thanks
04:57:08 <ChrisMorgan> That way we still get all the shared features of PAL without the need to maintain /all/ the launcher, instead just the bit of custom code needs to be maintained separately.
04:57:18 <JohnTHaller> YEah, that makes sense.
04:58:01 <JohnTHaller> I was gonna add includes so that at least for a little while, it can be compiled to have the app name and icon as well. At least until more folks are on 2.0 as this will break the old menu forks (launcher with just a stock icon and name, I mean)
04:58:26 <JohnTHaller> Spaceghost: Do you need any further assistance? Feel free to stick around either way
04:58:50 <Spaceghost> well, ok
04:58:56 <Spaceghost> :)
04:59:29 <Spaceghost> I put in C:\GoogleChromePortable
04:59:29 <sar3th> yes ChrisMorgan, and i'm not happy about it
04:59:34 <Spaceghost> I put in C:\GoogleChromePortable
04:59:39 <Spaceghost> the other possible is:
04:59:43 <JohnTHaller> sar3th: We're avoiding additional installer options. It just adds to the complexity in terms of an end user installing.
05:00:05 <Spaceghost> I put in C:\PortableApps\GoogleChromePortable or X:\PortableApps\GoogleChromePortable
05:00:09 <Spaceghost> no?
05:00:15 <JohnTHaller> Spaceghost: You can do that. Just make sure that if you move it to your flash drive, you also have it in X:\GoogleChromePortable.
05:00:28 <JohnTHaller> Spaceghost: Yeah, that's fine. As long as it is the same everywhere.
05:00:43 <Spaceghost> ok
05:00:48 <JohnTHaller> sar3th: Why aren't you happy about it? Which app needs more than one installation.
05:01:12 <sar3th> MinGW Portable, as people wannt all kinds of addons in there
05:01:14 <Spaceghost> exist a app to sincronyze my apps in desktop and flash drive?
05:01:17 <Spaceghost> is that possible?
05:01:40 <JohnTHaller> Spaceghost: There is Toucan in our app directory. It's more geared for advanced users, but it may work for you.
05:01:50 <sar3th> eg updated autotools, current gcc, etc...doing that with lots of addons won't simplify things on my end ;)
05:02:19 <JohnTHaller> sar3th: What kind of add-ons? It's best to come up with a standard set that will satisfy 90%+ users and have that be the 'product'. Then do downloadable add-ons for the less-used things.
05:03:09 <Spaceghost> the only that I need saves, then of upgrades and this, are the /Data , true? except that I have extensions or plugins in another directory? but the better is that I have all plugins, configs in /Data ?
05:03:11 <JohnTHaller> The other issue is with updates. It severly complicates the installer doing updates with multiple addons as well. And it means it's less likely to 'just work' with the updater (meaning it'll pause and have to wait for the user to answer a question)
05:03:44 <JohnTHaller> Spaceghost: Yes, I can't recall where Chrome keeps extensions at the moment. I know Firefox does it all in Data\ which makes backups much easier.
05:03:51 <sar3th> the problem is, my so-called addons are actually different versions of the tools, eg gcc 3x and gcc 4x
05:04:10 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, and some people need both, I'd wager, too.
05:04:14 <Spaceghost> ok
05:04:22 <Spaceghost> the last question
05:04:37 <Spaceghost> how can I change the language of my PChat?
05:04:46 <sar3th> yeah, but you cannot have both versions side by side in the same folder, as the naming schemes are too similar
05:05:02 <JohnTHaller> Spaceghost: You can't right now due to a bug in PChat itself. It'll be fixed soon, though.
05:05:13 <JohnTHaller> sar3th: So what do people do locally?
05:05:36 <Spaceghost> JohnTHaller, and in FoxitReader isn't possible too, no?
05:05:37 <JohnTHaller> Swap them back and forth?
05:05:43 <JohnTHaller> Spaceghost: Foxit I
05:05:46 <sar3th> install the application into different directories, like C:\mingw\3x and c:\mingw\4x
05:05:48 <Spaceghost> ?
05:05:55 <JohnTHaller> I'm not sure about. I think it does system language.
05:06:30 <JohnTHaller> sar3th: Ah. So would it make sense to do two different releases? Wait, where is the GCC stuff... in its own directory? Or all over the place within MinGW?
05:06:39 <Spaceghost> gives me the option to change it, but when I choose the language displays an error when trying to download it, and that does not happen with the installed version
05:06:58 <JohnTHaller> Spaceghost: I had the same issue with my local version of it when I tried it, too.
05:07:13 <sar3th> all over the place within mingw, as it uses standard linux layout, ie bin, lib, etc folders
05:07:43 <JohnTHaller> sar3th: Hmm. So too much work to move the different versions in and out, huh? Otherwise you could do em both as one with two icons.
05:08:39 <sar3th> that's another problem, mingw comes with no applications which need launchers, thus i included two environments in my previous release (MSYS and CommandPrompt Portable)
05:08:56 <sar3th> so you can run these from the menu and invoke the compilers there
05:09:03 <JohnTHaller> Ah. I could just mod standard CPP to look for it and add it to the path.
05:09:39 <sar3th> if there's no exe in the root directory, the installer won't compile
05:10:03 <ChrisMorgan> That was another thing I was thinking of putting into Command Prompt Portable - something like App\Paths where applications can put batch files and all will be executed, to set up the PATH
05:10:28 <ChrisMorgan> Then MinGW Portable can detect Command Prompt Portable and put in App\Paths\MinGWPortable.bat which sets the path, etc. etc.
05:10:54 <sar3th> you mean the installer of mingw portable ChrisMorgan?
05:11:05 <sar3th> i think that's a bad idea, as we have cross-dependancies then
05:11:10 <ChrisMorgan> Probably
05:11:18 <ChrisMorgan> What cross-dependencies?
05:11:40 <ChrisMorgan> Having such a thing part of the PAF spec seems to me like a useful thing for some sorts of people.
05:11:46 <sar3th> the same as dependancies
05:12:01 <ChrisMorgan> What are you meaning?
05:12:15 <sar3th> MinGW requires CommandPrompt then
05:12:28 <ChrisMorgan> You've still got MSYS though haven't you?
05:12:46 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: You guys give it a ponder. I'm too tired to really contribute measurably. So I mist be off to bed
05:13:08 <sar3th> yeah, even though my initial thought were to optify that and include it if the user wants it
05:13:14 <ChrisMorgan> It's the sort of thing which may not /need/ a GUI or icon though - it'll normally be used through an IDE, or possibly through Command Prompt Portable.
05:13:23 <sar3th> sure JohnTHaller, sleep well :)
05:13:34 <sar3th> yeah ChrisMorgan
05:13:46 <sar3th> but the installer will refuse it without an exe ;)
05:13:58 <ChrisMorgan> That can be fixed.
05:14:06 <sar3th> that would be great
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05:14:22 <ChrisMorgan> If [Control]:Icons=0 then say OK.
05:14:27 <sar3th> then the base package could be vanillia mingw and the other packages could be used as addon
05:15:11 <sar3th> even though idk whether our current addon structure will do what i look for ;)
05:23:10 <ChrisMorgan> Arg! I go to create an unpublished forum thread and it refuses to stay unpublished :-(
05:26:02 <ChrisMorgan> Arg... this really is buggy.
05:26:22 <ChrisMorgan> Muddling revisions for unauthenticated users... can't work out what's happening where :-(
05:30:44 <ChrisMorgan> Yay! I finally managed to build a CHM file of my new PAL docs :-)
05:40:19 <ChrisMorgan> Even if a few pages aren't loading..? :-/
05:43:51 <sar3th> what did you use?
05:46:31 <ChrisMorgan> The documentation and HTML Help metadata is generated by Sphinx, the CHM file is then compiled by HTML Help Workshop.
05:47:44 <ChrisMorgan> Just some of the anchors. I've decided I don't like part of the way it does its index either so I think I'm going to redo that extension somewhat...
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05:57:03 <ChrisMorgan> Bye, I'
05:57:05 <ChrisMorgan> m off now
05:57:11 <dragonmage> sorry bout that guys
05:57:40 <ChrisMorgan> That's fine. Such things can happe
05:57:41 <ChrisMorgan> n
05:57:53 <dragonmage> I usually just disconnect when I catch that happening, but I was away for a while
05:57:57 <ChrisMorgan> My Enter key is twitching :-/
05:58:00 <ChrisMorgan> Bye
05:58:11 <dragonmage> just wish I could figure out what's causing it
05:58:24 <dragonmage> later ChrisMorgan
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08:24:22 <ChrisMorgan> There. I think I'm ready to release the PortableApps.com Launcher 1.0 Beta 1 now.
08:26:00 <ChrisMorgan> Can anyone think of any final things for me to do with it?
08:52:25 <ChrisMorgan> I like the way you get an upload % meter in Chrome
10:06:13 <ChrisMorgan> PortableApps.com Launcher 1.0 Beta 1: http://portableapps.com/node/22987
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10:18:27 <ChrisMorgan> The SourceForge web upload thing is /so/ unreliable.
10:18:37 <dabomb69> Agreed. lol
10:18:47 <dabomb69> ChrisMorgan, what part of SF /is/ reliable?
10:18:55 <dabomb69> Except for the reliable unreliability.
10:19:01 <ChrisMorgan> Most of it's reasonably reliable.
10:19:14 <ChrisMorgan> The stats server is very unreliable.
10:19:42 <dabomb69> I've found that SF often has something broken somewhere, but I guess that wouldn't be uncommon for something it's size.
10:20:14 <ChrisMorgan> But with this, it does things like this: select the file, it puts a dark grey overlay over the page, the file uploads... and then more than a quarter of the times I've done it it just stops. The file has never finished being put in.
10:20:29 <dabomb69> yeah, that's happened to me too
10:21:31 <ChrisMorgan> Fortunately this is only with <1MB files.
10:21:48 <dabomb69> Lucky. :P
10:22:04 <dabomb69> It was happening to me w/ my ~30mb Perl Portable upload.
10:23:05 <ChrisMorgan> Avoid it - use the FTP interface if practical
10:23:10 <ChrisMorgan> Which it is
10:23:36 <dabomb69> lol, good idea
10:23:37 <dabomb69> :P
10:23:40 <dabomb69> bbiab
10:24:42 <ChrisMorgan> PortableApps.com Application Template 1.0 Beta 1: http://portableapps.com/node/22987
10:24:51 <ChrisMorgan> A skeleton PAL package
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10:54:28 <pa_2789> I see a new update version 1.6 of the portable apps program is available. If I download and install it on top of my current version 1.52 will I lose all the other programs I install on the key ?
10:56:19 <ChrisMorgan> pa_2789: no, it'll update nicely
10:56:37 <pa_2789> okay thnx'
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13:54:43 <pa_3661> bom dia, como consigo suporte em portugues para a plataforma?
13:56:04 <pa_3661> good morning, how do I get support in Portuguese for the platform?
13:56:17 <pa_3661> tutorial
13:56:24 <pa_3661> ??
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15:38:39 <Simeon> hi all
15:39:04 <sar3th> hi Simeon
15:42:56 <Simeon> hi Sareth
15:43:04 <Simeon> or is it sar3th? ;)
15:46:48 <Simeon> r u still here sar3th?
15:50:17 <sar3th> yeah, kinda
15:50:31 <sar3th> i just got back the results of my coding exam
15:51:02 <Simeon> Could you pm me the screenshot links John shows to folks when I'm sleeping?
15:51:13 <Simeon> hope the exam went well!
15:52:33 <Simeon> THX a ton! he posted them when it was 3 in the morning for me :(
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15:52:46 <sar3th> i know
15:52:48 <sar3th> .t
15:52:48 <GizmoBot> Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:53:44 MEZ
15:52:50 <sar3th> ;)
15:52:57 <sar3th> it was three for me as well
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16:08:20 <ZachThibeau> howdy all
16:11:05 <Simeon> hi Zach
16:11:54 <ZachThibeau> I found another reason why I don't like perl especially in mingw :/ trying to updated to 5.10 from perl sources is a pain >_<
16:12:53 <ZachThibeau> but once done it's satisfying :)
16:16:41 <ZachThibeau> one of the reasons I'm trying to compile perl is that there are current issues with the perl plugin not finding perl properly, so compile my own perl and recompile the perl plugin against my newly compiled perl :)
16:17:56 <Simeon> sounds rticky
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16:18:45 <ZachThibeau> well once I get this it will also ensure that it works properly
16:19:16 <Simeon> looks like PChat is keeping you busy.
16:19:51 <ZachThibeau> for once this is a project thats gaining my attention and popularity :)
16:20:01 <ZachThibeau> over 4000 downloads so far for the portable version alone
16:22:54 <Simeon> cool
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16:27:52 <ZachThibeau> ok perl is compiled and being installed :) next step is to recompile the perl plugin :)
16:45:59 <sar3th> make perl static pls
16:47:42 <ZachThibeau> I kind of can't :/ simple thing is that perl would require extra libraries which most scripts will be using
16:49:12
16:49:27 <ZachThibeau> personally I wouldn't try
16:51:59 <sar3th> hm
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16:55:02 <pa_9508> hi... there's a bug when pinning portable apps in Windows 7, who can help?
16:55:27 <sar3th> hello pa_9508, please describe the bug in more detail
16:55:39 <sar3th> what did you do, what should happen, what happened instead?
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16:57:10 <pa_9508> well, I pinned the portable Google Chrome on my taskbar... and it opens normally through the taskbar. But after restarting my PC, the pinned shortcut does not open Google Chrome, so I need to unpin it, open Chrome from the directory, and pin it again
16:58:18 <sar3th> okay, i guess i know what's wrong
16:58:49 <sar3th> when you run portable chrome, you start a launcher application, which will start the "real" chrome
16:59:09 <sar3th> you seem to have pinned the real chrome to your taskbar, which won't work without the launcher
16:59:28 <sar3th> as a workaround, try pinning ChromePortable.exe to the taskbar and see if that works please :)
16:59:47 <pa_9508> Okay...
16:59:49 <pa_9508> I'll try it now...
17:01:06 <sar3th> i think dragging chromeportable to the taskbar will pin it
17:01:19 <sar3th> should be enough to make it work
17:01:30 <sar3th> anyhow guys, i'm off for a few minutes, see ya later
17:02:44 <pa_9508> okay
17:02:45 <pa_9508> thanks...
17:02:51 <pa_9508> I'll have to restart first
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17:06:41 <pa_6400> hi.. I have the problem launching portable apps thru pinned shortcuts.. can anyone help? I have just restarted my pC
17:10:50 <marlop> pa_6400: i don't think the portable apps work the way you are trying, as sar3th said the portable apps are a launcher that open the program in a special way so that the app become portable, you can pin the launcher, but the app will show up as another program in the superbar.
17:11:29 <pa_6400> Okay. so, there are no fixes for this yet?
17:12:57 <marlop> no that i know, as this isn't a bug, it's a missing feature, that i don't think that will be implemented
17:13:16 <Simeon> its due to the way Win7 works - not much PortableApps.com can do.
17:13:50 <pa_6400> okay. thanks a lot.
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17:36:00 <Simeon> bye guys
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17:47:15 <dan> Just a quick question on Min and Max size of USB Thumbdrive for U3
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18:02:51 <benedikt93> Hello @all
18:03:28 <benedikt93> Again my question from yesterday (to the german speaking here): how would you translate "fallback" ?
18:03:37 <benedikt93> It's this sentence: "If used in conjunction with the registry entries above, it will be used as a fallback if the registry entry is missing or doesn't point to a valid path."
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18:11:03 <Bensawsome> benedikt93 perhaps use the german speaking of "backup"?
18:11:18 <Bensawsome> and no i dont speak german... just used the thesaurus
18:21:05 <benedikt93> Thx, but in this case I think backup isn't a good synonym
18:22:37 <benedikt93> maybe I need to circumscribe it
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18:36:33 <benedikt93> I saw some here talking about the screenshots John gave for some upcoming piece of software. Is it possible to get the links PM'ed?
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19:36:30 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is awsome and is currently working on a super cool media player called musicplay3000 aka mp3k
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20:39:31 <tylor22> Hi I was wondering where if there was a different chat to talk about developement?
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20:41:17 <MaienM> tylor22: #portableapps-dev
20:41:53 <tylor22> ty
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20:53:07 <sar3th> damn, benedikt is gone again
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21:03:59 <pa_1534> hi I was wondering if there was a Visual Studio 2008 Portable or some way to put it on my flash drive?
21:05:11 <qwertymodo> pa_1534, no it is not portable and it's license won't allow it
21:05:23 <sar3th> pa_1534: creating Visual Studio Portable would violate microsoft's eula
21:06:08 <pa_1534> for the free edition?
21:06:31 <qwertymodo> it still violates the license you agree to when you install it
21:06:53 <pa_1534> ok... would it work if I install it directly to the drive?
21:07:03 <qwertymodo> probably not
21:07:14 <qwertymodo> it registers a lot of stuff with the computer
21:07:18 <qwertymodo> with the OS
21:07:20 <pa_1534> yeah
21:07:21 <sar3th> exactly
21:07:28 <pa_1534> too bad
21:07:46 <sar3th> sorry pa_1534
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22:24:16 <JohnTHaller> hola
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22:32:40 <sar3th> hello JohnTHaller :)
22:33:03 <JohnTHaller> how goes it
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