IRC Log from 2010-03-19

00:00:50 <JacobMastel> JohnTHaller: All of the languages provided by Tom Revell (Stickies Author) need to be named "Language70.dll" and placed in the app directory to work. Would it be okay if they were named "German.dll", "Russian.dll", etc., and then renamed when they're moved to the app directory?
00:00:51 <marlop> didn't tried, and i'm trying to convince her to spend some money and buy a new one
00:01:00 <ChrisMorgan> So long as you don't have lots of inactive network drives... that kills 2000's network stack so that you get a delay (frozen) of more than a minute (up to two) when pulling up the drop-down in a file chooser on one of our 2000 machines...
00:01:26 <JohnTHaller> Why on earth would anyone have a ton of inactive network drives anyway?
00:01:51 <JohnTHaller> JacobMastel: Yeah, that works. Or just keep them all in a locale directory and copy and rename them on launch (if the lang changed)
00:01:59 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: VPN connection to work, not always active
00:02:35 <marlop> JohnTHaller: here a ss: http://ssh.shellium.org/~marlop/imagem.bmp
00:03:04 <JohnTHaller> what's your resolution?
00:03:18 <marlop> 1024x768
00:03:43 <JohnTHaller> hmm... should be ok
00:04:09 <marlop> wait, this ss is tooooo big 2.09mb
00:04:19 <JohnTHaller> BMP
00:04:20 <ChrisMorgan> marlop, it's BMP
00:04:38 <marlop> http://ssh.shellium.org/~marlop/imagem.jpg
00:04:40 <ChrisMorgan> BMP is an absolutely consistent size, directly proportionate to resolution
00:05:15 <ChrisMorgan> On updates and On Comments are too narrow...
00:06:11 <ChrisMorgan> I don't see that in Chrome... I don't get the table at all.
00:06:41 <JohnTHaller> I think you have to be subscribed to something
00:06:45 <ChrisMorgan> Yep
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00:07:27 <ChrisMorgan> You've also got to have set "visibility of controls" in http://portableapps.com/user/UID/subscriptions to make some "Visible"
00:07:37 <ChrisMorgan> By default they're "Hidden"
00:08:14 <ChrisMorgan> Then in Chrome it just looks a /little/ bad (two rows, last heading overflows).
00:08:21 <ChrisMorgan> The "On ___" ones don't overflow in Chrome.
00:08:47 <ChrisMorgan> Eek! What a horrible table.
00:08:56 <ChrisMorgan> `<th width="10%">On&nbsp;updates</th>`
00:10:26 <ChrisMorgan> There's a "word-wrap: break-word;" rule which applies (in the aggregated CSS)... maybe it's not being got properly in Opera?
00:10:48 <ChrisMorgan> That's the only thing I can suggest from a quick inspection of the elements in Chrome (with the WebKit inspector)
00:11:11 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: Chrome your primary browser?
00:11:20 <ChrisMorgan> Yes
00:11:27 <JohnTHaller> I'm always surprised by that
00:11:44 <ChrisMorgan> For web development I definitely prefer Firefox because of Firebug.
00:12:01 <ChrisMorgan> There is a Chromebug... but that's for the Firefox chrome, not Chromium :P
00:12:08 <ChrisMorgan> !!
00:12:20 <ChrisMorgan> PChat auto-replaced "teh" with "the" as I typed it!
00:12:29 <ChrisMorgan> Never seen that in a chat client...
00:12:43 <marlop> ChrisMorgan, can you give me a copy of your english lang file for pal?
00:12:43 <JohnTHaller> Just the whole 'every letter you type is sent to Google' thing. It surprises me when geeks choose it as a browser.
00:13:11 <ChrisMorgan> At home I use it on my Ubuntu machine, purely because it was working better than Firefox, particularly with memory. Here at Uni (Windows) I use it because Chrome Portable outperforms Firefox Portable (for me at least)
00:13:37 <ChrisMorgan> If it wasn't for those reasons I'd use Firefox because I really do like to use Firebug very often.
00:13:47 <ChrisMorgan> marlop, what for?
00:14:04 <ChrisMorgan> The strings are all listed at http://portableapps.com/node/22997
00:14:28 <marlop> translate, it's a lot easier to translate directly on the file, less chance off errors
00:15:25 <ChrisMorgan> http://portableapps.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/portableapps/launcher/file/tip/Other/Source/Languages/A/English.nsh
00:15:46 <ChrisMorgan> Or the raw version, http://portableapps.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/portableapps/launcher/raw-file/tip/Other/Source/Languages/A/English.nsh
00:16:34 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: It may be easier to post the raw one in the forum topic. Then the responses you get can be used as is as opposed to you have to construct the files yourself
00:17:00 <ChrisMorgan> How about a link?
00:18:44 <JohnTHaller> I mean post the raw English.nsh in PRE tags in the topic and then let people translate it. Then you can just copy n paste em out of the topic into individual NSH files
00:18:46 <ChrisMorgan> I also discovered that the SimpChinese.nsh file had four strings... but the latter two were in English
00:21:31 <ChrisMorgan> Oh, okay... you win.
00:22:05 <ChrisMorgan> http://portableapps.com/node/22997 updated
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00:23:11 <marlop> the buttons use the locales from the sys right?
00:23:21 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: Use EditPad Lite for handling the codepages of the different languages. The correct codepage to use is listed in the locale files of the platform for each language we support.
00:24:08 <ChrisMorgan> I used Notepad++ and set them manually... I could have done it in gVim but due to its font system I couldn't have verified anything properly anyway.
00:24:35 <ChrisMorgan> I tend to look at the NSIS Contrib\Language Files\*.(nsh|nlf) files. They contain those details.
00:24:37 <JohnTHaller> EditPad Lite allows you to verify it on screen and supports more proper codepages than Notepad++
00:24:51 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, that's where I got some of them from. A couple were missing, though
00:24:52 <ChrisMorgan> I /think/ I got them all right though.
00:26:11 <marlop> ChrisMorgan: the buttons use the locales from the sys right?
00:26:33 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: I also recently pushed my changes to PAL so that you can compile it with the argument (to makensis) /DPACKAGE=X:\PortableApps\AppNamePortable it will set the icon to that one's icon and load Other\Source\PortableApps.comLauncherCustom.nsh for a segment there (if it's there).
00:26:39 <ChrisMorgan> marlop, what do you mean?
00:27:29 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: thinking back, should the display name in the VersionInfo also change?
00:27:41 <marlop> abort, cancel, retry...
00:28:16 <ChrisMorgan> Ah. The launcher changes its internal language to the Platform language. If that's not set I think it'd get it from the system.
00:29:28 <marlop> so in a pt-br sys it will use the system translation for the buttons,
00:29:58 <marlop> so i will translate the button's names too
00:30:17 <ChrisMorgan> marlop: such strings are in the NSIS core.
00:31:40 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: The buttons are from the NSIS lang files.
00:31:47 <marlop> i mean the button's names used like that: Press Retry to try authenti...
00:32:05 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller, that's what I meant
00:33:12 <ChrisMorgan> Wait. They're not defined in NSIS, they'll be from the OS language then I presume.
00:33:23 <ChrisMorgan> Just the standard MessageBox flags, so it follows...
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00:34:11 <JohnTHaller> Of you mean messageboxes. Yeah that's just a standard WINAPI call
00:34:21 <ChrisMorgan> marlop, you'll need to translate the string as you have it. The button names should then be translated. "Pressum Retriac too triy authentici..." as the case may be.
00:35:03 <marlop> that's what i said that i will do :)
00:36:57 <ChrisMorgan> Sorry I'm thick :-)
00:49:19 <marlop> how the web pages with the logs are generated(script, the bot does,...)?
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00:49:36 <ChrisMorgan> marlop, palogbot
00:49:47 <ChrisMorgan> It does it.
00:50:14 <marlop> palogbot: help
00:50:14 <palogbot> I'm a Python IRC logging bot. Source: http://inamidst.com/code/loggy.py Logging to: http://nascent-project.org/portableapps/irc/logs?t=
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00:52:45 <ChrisMorgan> It's a simple bot. It doesn't do things like logging kicks.
00:55:59 <marlop> no it doesn't it generates txt files
00:56:16 <marlop> i just tried it
00:56:47 <ChrisMorgan> You can then access the text files directly or use the web file (don't know what that script is, very simple though)
00:58:31 <marlop> it just generates a txt file per day, it doesn't generate a web file
00:58:46 <marlop> probably patric made the file
01:00:14 <ChrisMorgan> That script will just look at *.txt files and create a list item for each (and stat the size and provide a link to the txt version). If it's got a time specified it just does simple formatting of the txt file.
01:00:39 <ChrisMorgan> The txt files can be accessed directly, as http://patrickpatience.com/nascent-project/portableapps/irc/logs/2010-03-19.txt
01:02:08 <marlop> i know that the txt can be accessed directly, i just wanted the script that generate the web file, i already have a bot that do the loging :)
01:05:04 <marlop> bye
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01:20:36 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: older versions of the Platform used the VI ProductName for display, didn't they?
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01:29:46 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the poor person that can't get a working server but produces the awesome PChat :D
01:30:33 <ChrisMorgan> ZachThibeau, do you know about how XTray doesn't keep its notification settings?
01:31:23 <ChrisMorgan> I've turned off notification of CTCPs and another couple of things more than once and it's never kept them unticked when I go to the next computer (not sure if it stays local or doesn't stay anywhere, I should try restarting it now to check)
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01:32:48 <ZachThibeau> iirc that bug is related to Xtray itself
01:33:01 <ChrisMorgan> Lost. Either not stored or killed by PChat Portable.
01:33:07 <ZachThibeau> no it's stored
01:33:07 <ChrisMorgan> A nuisance.
01:33:16 <ZachThibeau> but xtray isn't finding it properly
01:33:17 <ChrisMorgan> OK then, not loaded :D
01:34:01 <ZachThibeau> unfortunetly xtray isn't being developed anymore :/
01:34:13 <ChrisMorgan> Another opportunity for you. ;-)
01:34:39 <ZachThibeau> I have enough forks on the run :/
01:35:32 <ZachThibeau> like forking minigtk, then I'm maintaining PChat etc enough programming for me :P
01:35:49 <ChrisMorgan> So long as you don't try forking PAL ;-)
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01:56:51 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: I think I'm ready for PortableApps.com Launcher 2.0 Beta 2... but I won't be able to build it till probably part way through next week :-(
01:57:10 <ChrisMorgan> I'm also not happy about this weird warning I'm now getting compiling: `unknown variable/constant "" detected, ignoring (LangString LauncherNoSpaces:1043)`
01:58:35 <ChrisMorgan> Ah, wait, that's Dutch
01:59:47 <JohnTHaller> Why can't you build it?
02:00:03 <ChrisMorgan> g2g now to a lecture, likely to have no spare time till next week
02:00:12 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, that's just a missing LangString. Usually you'lll find you accidentally have it missing from the NSH or have it with the wrong languade code
02:00:20 <ChrisMorgan> "$ EXEDIR" - and it had to come in the string LauncherNoSpaces :-/
02:00:20 <ChrisMorgan> :D
02:00:36 <ChrisMorgan> Bye
02:00:46 <JohnTHaller> later man
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02:29:30 <dbdii407> I hope someone wouldn't mind. Next time you see John, would you tell him to check his memoserv messages?
02:36:15 <Bensawsome> dbdii407 i think he made it a rule that he doesnt use memoserv :S
02:37:08 <dbdii407> Wonderful.... Need a way to contact him. :(
02:37:18 <Bensawsome> lol
02:37:19 <Bensawsome> email
02:37:25 <Bensawsome> *10 years later* ;)
02:37:28 <dbdii407> Did that once, He never replied
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02:37:35 <Bensawsome> unfortunately he gets a TON of mail
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02:37:48 <Bensawsome> so either he might skip over it or hasnt gotten to it yet :/
02:38:06 <dbdii407> I sent that email about a year ago. ;)
02:38:23 <Bensawsome> exactly
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05:30:38 <OliverK> night all
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07:39:11 <BuddhaChu> anyone here have admin on the portableapps.com site?
07:39:56 <BuddhaChu> help!
07:39:57 <GizmoBot> BuddhaChu: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
07:42:20 <BuddhaChu> well, if someone that DOES have admin on portableapp.com sees this, the link to the latest InfreaRecorderPortable that shows up in the list of the latest apps has and extra double quoate taged on the end of so the link is broken and goes to some weird page.
07:43:10 <BuddhaChu> the link shows up as -> http://portableapps.com/news/2010-03-17_-_infrarecorder_portable_0.50_Rev_3"
07:43:24 <BuddhaChu> it SHOULD be -> http://portableapps.com/news/2010-03-17_-_infrarecorder_portable_0.50_Rev_3
07:43:42 <BuddhaChu> note the extra double quotes on the ned
07:43:45 <BuddhaChu> end*
07:43:55 <BuddhaChu> ok....we up out!
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09:11:01 <pa_7935> Hi, anyone have any ideas as to why my autorun.inf isn't loading startportableapps.exe? The file path is correct, the icon and label functions are working, but I have no idea as to why the exe isn't loading from autorun.inf. Thanks!
09:14:16 <pa_7935> It's also happening when I use a different executable file (that is, I can't get an executable file to load as part of autorun.inf)
09:14:54 <Ashhh> what's the contents of autorun.inf file?
09:15:42 <Ashhh> look here
09:15:44 <Ashhh> http://autorun.moonvalley.com/autoruninf.htm
09:15:47 <Ashhh> at the simple example
09:16:06 <Ashhh> if the path to file contains space, you should put the whole thing in " "s
09:16:15 <Ashhh> like open="path to file.exe"
09:23:06 <pa_7935> here is the contents of autorun.inf: [autorun] action=Start PortableApps open=StartPortableApps.exe icon=PortableApps\icon.ico label=USB_Drive [Content] MusicFiles=false PictureFiles=false VideoFiles=false
09:23:30 <pa_7935> Sorry, the line spacing didn't copy across
09:26:49 <pa_7935> Thanks for the website, but I knew the main bits (open, icon, action and label). Thanks anyway!
09:27:51 <pa_7935> [19:46] <Ashhh> if the path to file contains space, you should put the whole thing in " "s [19:46] <Ashhh> like open="path to file.exe" thanks for the tip, and this particular one I am trying isn't like that anyway
09:28:50 <Ashhh> hmm :P
09:29:19 <Ashhh> try asking in #windows
09:29:29 <pa_7935> ok thanks!
09:29:36 <pa_7935> bye
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09:29:42 <Ashhh> okie :)
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10:40:12 <pa_3220> anyone here noe how to create portable apps?
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10:45:43 <MaienM|Sleep> ChrisMorgan, someone mentioned "you-know-what" site in this post: http://portableapps.com/node/22978#comment-145323
10:46:42 <ChrisMorgan> Do they? I can't see it...
10:46:47 <ChrisMorgan> Missed that :P
10:47:04 <MaienM|Sleep> yes they do :P
10:47:27 <ChrisMorgan> Oh come, come. Look again. I've read carefully through and it's definitely not mentioned.
10:48:10 <MaienM|Sleep> I see a clear mention that you removed it, indication you did in fact see it being mentioned :P
10:48:16 <MaienM|Sleep> anyway, thanks for removing it :)
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13:38:35 <Dude2> Hi
13:38:46 <Ashhh> hiya
13:38:46 <Rapscallion> Hello
13:40:01 <Dude2> What is Lanikai? Did Mozilla Corp changed Thunderbird's name to Lanikai
13:40:40 <Rapscallion> no "...The main goals of this release is to find out about possible problems caused by the changes in the underlying platform."
13:41:25 <Rapscallion> http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/thunderbird/3.1b1/releasenotes/
13:41:55 <Rapscallion> so to sum it up its a testing release
13:42:57 <Dude2> So Thunderbird will still be called Thunderbird
13:43:03 <Rapscallion> yeah
13:44:10 <Dude2> Good. Because Thunderbird is much more cooler than Lanikai
13:44:23 <Rapscallion> hehe... agreed
13:45:04 <Dude2> And it is easier to say
13:45:20 <Rapscallion> :-)
13:47:58 <Dude2> So will it be any beta 5 of the 2.0 or final Edition?
13:49:43 <Rapscallion> not sure. For me it doesnt really matter if its another beta or final. It would just be cool to see the new stuff....
13:50:28 <Dude2> I agree
13:51:31 <Dude2> For me is it like this as soon it comes out beta or final I am quick to use it
13:52:23 <Dude2> PortableApps.com Plotform is the one and only good platform to use.
13:52:42 <Dude2> Others are just a joke
13:54:28 <Rapscallion> I wouldn't so far as to say that they are a joke. There are a number of pretty nice platforms out there. But i do have to agree that my preference is still PAP
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13:57:21 <Dude2> I am saying so because I did try many other Platforms. And they are a joke. And they should not say it is easy to use. Because it is not. T.ex CodySafe from http://www.codyssey.com/
13:59:16 <Rapscallion> LOL I was just going to give CodySafe as an example of one that was not a "joke"... hehe I guess it comes down to personal prefs.
14:00:56 <Dude2> Wante to know why I dont like CodySafe?
14:01:01 <Rapscallion> yeah
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14:05:21 <pa_9329> Hello! I'd like to contribute tranlating portableapps into Aragonese language
14:06:15 <pa_9329> Is anyone there?
14:06:25 <Rapscallion> hey there
14:07:06 <pa_9329> Do you know how to contribute with translations?
14:07:24 <Dude2> I did basically rejected CodySafe for this main feature. http://www.codyssey.com/images/stories/screenshots/codysafe/Applications_Manager_-_Add_Application.png Because I have about something 100 Apps om my USB Flash Drive. And I dont really have hours to make them put to the use
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14:09:27 <Rapscallion> create a new forum topic here and one of the mods will be able to point you inthe right direction to translate
14:09:29 <Rapscallion> http://portableapps.com/forums/other_languages/localization
14:09:32 <Rapscallion> ahh crap he left
14:09:44 <Dude2> haha
14:09:50 <Dude2> funny thing to say
14:11:43 <Rapscallion> i see what you are saying about the CodySafe. I agree that it is not ideal to have to add all app one at a time. I woudl be surpirsed there was not an easier way to add a bunch of apps. Did you check the forums there?
14:13:20 <Dude2> About the screenshot?
14:13:49 <Rapscallion> yeah
14:15:14 <Dude2> No check here http://www.codyssey.com/products/codysafe.html look down under feature it says screenshots
14:15:24 <Dude2> features
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14:21:31 <Dude2> I am gonna go know. But thanks for the chat and for the help
14:21:44 <Dude2> now
14:21:52 <Dude2> not know
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15:17:54 <Rapscallion> hey pa_9922
15:18:22 <Rapscallion> I replied to your question about the translation (unfortuantely it was 2 seconds after you left)
15:19:09 <Rapscallion> nvm...
15:19:13 <Rapscallion> heh
15:19:15 <pa_9922> when I download an installer, in this case the one for chrome, and rename it, it still gives me the error that says it must end in "_online.paf.exe"
15:20:48 <pa_9922> any idea why this might be happening?
15:21:07 <Rapscallion> I saw somethinhg about this in the forums... i am just looking for the thread
15:21:19 <pa_9922> ok. thanks
15:22:21 <Rapscallion> it has to do with IE http://portableapps.com/node/22936
15:23:28 <pa_9922> Do you think I ought to try downloading it with another browser?
15:24:14 <Rapscallion> you could try that. I use Chrome almost exclusively and have never had an issue
15:24:51 <pa_9922> Ok, will do. Thanks for your help.
15:25:00 <Rapscallion> np have a good day
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15:32:01 <pa_6006> @ Rapscallion - Problem solved. I downloaded it with Chrome and got rid of the .exe Thanks for your help
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15:59:12 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the poor person that can't get a working server but produces the awesome PChat :D
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16:26:28 <GizmoBot> ...
16:28:06 <Mir_> ZachThibeau: :D
16:29:15 <ZachThibeau> hey Mir_ sorry about not responding from your last message, server is down and I'm trying to get a hold of my provider, so far no response
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16:29:52 <Mir> ahhh
16:30:22 <Mir> give me a heads up when it back please
16:30:24 <Mir> thanks
16:30:35 <ZachThibeau> sure
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19:22:22 <Alcasar> Will there be a SRWare Iron portable?
19:22:33 <OliverK> search :p
19:22:46 <OliverK> .g iron portable site:portableapps.com
19:22:46 <GizmoBot> OliverK: http://portableapps.com/node/22380
19:22:49 <OliverK> .title
19:22:51 <GizmoBot> OliverK: Iron Portable 4.0.28 (stable) Development Test 2; 5.0.326 (alpha) Development Test 2 | PortableApps.com - Portable software for USB drives
19:22:54 <OliverK> :)
19:23:02 <AppGuy> the power of bots
19:23:13 <OliverK> so much easier
19:23:24 <OliverK> less having to grab my mouse to switch around
19:23:28 <AppGuy> until they fight back
19:23:35 <OliverK> hehe
19:23:42 <OliverK> i regualrly cuss at mine
19:26:55 <OliverK> stupid thing had the time wrong lastnight
19:27:01 <Alcasar> Thanks but Stable and development test don't make sense to me together
19:27:08 <OliverK> k
19:27:16 <OliverK> iron has two development lines
19:27:20 <OliverK> the stable
19:27:25 <OliverK> and the alpha
19:27:49 <OliverK> development test always refers to the current version of papps packaging
19:27:55 <Alcasar> so the Iron is stable but the portableapps iron is in development?
19:28:00 <OliverK> yup
19:28:12 <OliverK> anything that isn't officially released is considered in development
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19:28:16 <OliverK> no matter how good it is
19:28:30 <OliverK> i can think of a couple dev apps offhand that should be final
19:28:40 <Alcasar> and how "good" is Iron?
19:28:45 <OliverK> don't know
19:28:51 <OliverK> its probably pretty good
19:29:03 <OliverK> computerfreaker does a good job with his stuff
19:29:13 <OliverK> try it, its not like it costs anything :)
19:30:33 <Alcasar> ya ok, but it's just that google Chrome just got final and it offers local and i'm trying to decide weather i should switch from FF to Chrome for the speed
19:30:51 <Alcasar> the privacy problems i don't like tough
19:30:58 <OliverK> honestly, I use firefox, I trust it more then chrome
19:31:06 <OliverK> i run the noscript extension
19:31:08 <Rapscallion> GO CHROME!!!..... sorry, i'll keep my nose out ;-)
19:31:12 <OliverK> hehe
19:31:30 <OliverK> i've used chrome, its nice for some things, but I like having no script, and I can't get that for chrome yet
19:31:32 <Alcasar> me too, but from a usb key in a usb 1 port, it's so slow
19:31:37 <OliverK> ouch
19:31:47 <OliverK> i can imagine
19:31:57 <OliverK> well, my suggestion is keep both on the drive if you can
19:32:08 <Alcasar> what? no noscript extension or setting for chrome?
19:32:13 <OliverK> try them both out and come to your own decision
19:32:18 <OliverK> not that I found
19:32:24 <OliverK> but I didn't look very hard
19:32:37 <OliverK> there's not many settings for chrome period
19:33:14 <Alcasar> What i don't like about Iron is that i can't change the proxy settings, it uses the IE settings
19:33:21 <OliverK> ouch
19:33:25 <OliverK> that just itsn't right
19:33:42 <OliverK> does chrome have its own proxy system?
19:33:58 <Rapscallion> yes it does
19:34:08 <Alcasar> Don't know yet
19:34:31 <Alcasar> Rapscallion: does the new version of Iron do? coz i'm using version 3
19:34:47 <Rapscallion> Iron im not sure sorry
19:35:00 <OliverK> Alcasar: try version 4
19:35:13 <OliverK> you should be using the latest of whatever web browser you chose
19:35:13 <Alcasar> well i see some trials in my near futur
19:35:34 <Alcasar> OliverK: That would be FF 3.6
19:35:56 <OliverK> http://forums.informaction.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1676 noscript + chrome
19:36:05 <OliverK> Alcasar: you said you had version 3 of iron?
19:38:41 <Rapscallion> FYI You can disable JS script in the config of Chrome
19:38:53 <OliverK> really? neat
19:39:02 <OliverK> i really don't know that much about google chrome
19:39:17 <OliverK> i usually use it for blackboard, twitter
19:39:25 <OliverK> a few things, I don't explore in it
19:40:06 <Rapscallion> i've been using it almost exclusively for about 1 yr, and so far I really like it. Mostly becasue of its speed. And now that extension are a full blown reality it has only gotten better
19:40:19 <OliverK> yeah, its js engine is fast
19:40:42 <OliverK> blackboard doesn't take over chrome when loading like it does when I use firefox
19:40:55 <Alcasar> Rapscallion: What about the privacy problems? Are they real?
19:41:25 <OliverK> google giving you a private tracking number to learn about you?
19:41:29 <OliverK> :D
19:41:37 <Rapscallion> :-)
19:41:53 <Alcasar> and collecting everything you type in the search/url bar
19:42:01 <OliverK> they do that anyway
19:42:11 <Rapscallion> Google does that regardles of which browser you use.
19:42:26 <Alcasar> even ff? how?
19:42:32 <Rapscallion> unless you disable cookies (this can also be done in chrome)
19:42:45 <OliverK> you are usig there service :)
19:42:49 <OliverK> all things are fair
19:42:54 <OliverK> their*
19:42:57 <Alcasar> in ff i disable cookies for third parties
19:43:20 <Alcasar> OliverK: nope i use Ecosia for my searches
19:43:55 <Rapscallion> you can do the same in chrome, although this setting is newer. I suspect as an answer to the privacy concerns
19:44:18 <Rapscallion> do the same as in diable 3rd party cookies
19:44:48 <Alcasar> Rapscallion: so basicaly as is Chrome sends info but you can configure it not to
19:44:56 <Rapscallion> yes
19:45:22 <Rapscallion> and I wouldnt so much say that chrome send info but more that google search sends info
19:45:23 <Alcasar> Then i have some serious testing to do
19:46:14 <Rapscallion> again it depends on the search service you use. In fact Google is not the only one to do this. They are just the one at the top of the food chain so they are in the spotlight
19:46:29 <Alcasar> google search that's normal, There service as OliverK said, but the URLs should be private
19:47:45 <Alcasar> anyways i'll look that over and make my choice
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19:50:02 <OliverK> shoulda thrown opera in the mix :)
19:50:04 <OliverK> just to be evil
19:50:17 <sar3th> opera ftw :D
19:50:30 <OliverK> opera isn't to bad
19:53:21 <OliverK> better then ie6
19:53:24 <OliverK> by a long shot
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20:02:29 <Rapscallion> never played with opera at all so I can't really comment
20:02:51 <Rapscallion> so ignore my last comment ;-)
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20:51:29 <Pyromaniac> I got a question...
20:51:35 <Pyromaniac> for anybody that can answer
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20:52:15 <OliverK|School> how does anyone know if they can anser, if they don't know what the questions is :p
20:52:30 <Pyromaniac> Can I edit the GoogleChromePortable Launcher (rename it) and edit to logo...
20:52:35 <Pyromaniac> I'm typing it
20:52:47 <OliverK|School> :p
20:52:48 <Pyromaniac> and redistribut the installer
20:52:55 <Pyromaniac> without chrome
20:53:08 <OliverK|School> why?
20:53:31 <OliverK|School> its under the same license as everything else on the site, with the exception of the actually chrome binaries
20:54:07 <Pyromaniac> ok
20:55:20 <Pyromaniac> I was gonna (try to) make a web browser for my friend (based on Chromium)
20:55:32 <Pyromaniac> he liek chrome
20:55:34 <OliverK|School> which web browser?
20:55:35 <Pyromaniac> likes
20:55:41 <Pyromaniac> Chromium
20:55:47 <Pyromaniac> I mean the source code
20:55:49 <OliverK|School> which is different how?
20:55:51 <OliverK|School> forgive me please
20:56:05 <OliverK|School> i use firefox almost exclusively and don't really worry about anything else
20:56:25 <OliverK|School> and actaully, the chromium source is kinda messy
20:57:03 <Pyromaniac> We were going to name the browser after him
20:57:07 <Pyromaniac> (as a joke)
20:57:12 <Pyromaniac> I know it sounds weird
20:57:21 <Pyromaniac> but we thought it would be funny
20:57:21 <OliverK|School> meh, weird is weird
20:57:26 <OliverK|School> i'm not worried by it
20:57:34 <Pyromaniac> Its called AAS
20:57:46 <Pyromaniac> AA are his initials
20:57:50 <OliverK|School> k
20:57:53 <Pyromaniac> and S is systems
20:58:49 <Pyromaniac> Do you just stay here all day?
20:58:55 <Pyromaniac> I always see you
20:58:58 <OliverK|School> eh, when I can
20:59:01 <OliverK|School> :)
20:59:16 <OliverK|School> right now i'm doing my online school work
20:59:28 <Pyromaniac> ah
20:59:33 <OliverK|School> gizmo just leaves his client on all the time
20:59:39 <OliverK|School> i don't :p
20:59:46 <OliverK|School> just whenever I think i'm going to sit for awhile
20:59:54 <OliverK|School> i probably haven't been all week though
20:59:57 <Pyromaniac> lets see if he is online
21:00:01 <OliverK|School> been here*
21:00:05 <Pyromaniac> Hey gizmokid!
21:00:13 <Pyromaniac> nope
21:00:18 <OliverK|School> need the 2005, or it won't get him :p
21:00:32 <OliverK|School> plus 30 seconds isn't really enough time
21:00:33 <OliverK|School> :D
21:00:37 <Pyromaniac> @Gizmokid2005
21:01:10 <Pyromaniac> nope
21:01:15 <Pyromaniac> that was one minute
21:01:20 <OliverK|School> hehe
21:01:25 <OliverK|School> don't need the @ either
21:01:32 <OliverK|School> you see the + on the front of mine?
21:01:48 <Pyromaniac> I wonder...
21:01:55 <OliverK|School> the + stands for a voiced person and the @ stands for a channel operator
21:02:19 <OliverK|School> so its just OliverK|School or Gizmokid2005
21:02:20 <Pyromaniac> voice
21:02:21 <OliverK|School> :)
21:02:35 <OliverK|School> yeah, if the room was muted i could still speak in the channel
21:02:42 <Pyromaniac> I was thinking twitter
21:02:48 <OliverK|School> yeah
21:02:56 <OliverK|School> IRC is way older then twitter though :p
21:03:09 <OliverK|School> gulf war with the first george bush
21:03:13 <Pyromaniac> Pyromaniac, get outa here!
21:03:14 <OliverK|School> :)
21:03:17 <Pyromaniac> ah dang
21:03:29 <OliverK|School> Pyromaniac: what'd you want :p
21:03:42 <Pyromaniac> I wanted to see if I could be john
21:03:56 <OliverK|School> nah, he's probably got it protected
21:03:59 <Pyromaniac> why did you go red
21:04:03 <Pyromaniac> hmmm
21:04:10 <OliverK|School> because I addressed you
21:04:13 <Pyromaniac> oh
21:04:14 <OliverK|School> what are you using, pdigin?
21:04:22 <OliverK|School> or pchat
21:04:27 <Pyromaniac> pchat
21:04:44 <OliverK|School> whenever you say somebody's name, it do some stuff to get there attention, so do so sparingly :)
21:04:48 <OliverK|School> pchat's good
21:05:07 <Pyromaniac> pchat is the one on PA right?
21:05:12 <OliverK|School> yeah
21:05:14 <Pyromaniac> ok
21:06:02 <OliverK|School> i'm using miranda righ tnow, because I have popups in miranda :)
21:06:10 <Pyromaniac> ah
21:06:17 <OliverK|School> if I was doing channel manipulation, I'd want xchat
21:06:17 <Pyromaniac> How many apps you got
21:06:20 <OliverK|School> much easier
21:06:25 <OliverK|School> alot :p
21:06:26 <Pyromaniac> How many apps you got
21:06:41 <Pyromaniac> beat 62?
21:06:50 <OliverK|School> miranda, xchat, ff, thunderbird, and geany are my main ones
21:06:52 <OliverK|School> at one time
21:07:00 <OliverK|School> i haven't counted
21:07:24 <OliverK|School> plus i've got probably all i've ever downloaded on my server, so I can get them pretty quick
21:07:24 <Pyromaniac> you know how to do standard deviation?
21:07:26 <OliverK|School> :)
21:07:30 <Pyromaniac> for chemistry?
21:07:34 <OliverK|School> nope
21:07:37 <Pyromaniac> I'm doing school stuff too
21:07:40 <OliverK|School> not a chem major
21:07:46 <OliverK|School> google might
21:07:51 <Pyromaniac> yeah...
21:08:19 <OliverK|School> can you just not get the calculations right?
21:08:27 <Pyromaniac> google doesn't ever show my website
21:08:30 <Pyromaniac> but bing does
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21:08:47 <Pyromaniac> I did
21:08:52 <Pyromaniac> get the calculations
21:08:58 <OliverK|School> that's good
21:08:59 <Pyromaniac> but I think I need the formual
21:09:15 <OliverK|School> oh, well, that should be in the back of the book
21:09:15 <Pyromaniac> what grade you in?
21:09:16 <OliverK|School> or index
21:09:23 <Pyromaniac> or college?
21:09:31 <OliverK|School> college
21:09:41 <Pyromaniac> you seemed young in your website
21:09:42 <OliverK|School> pretty much a small void between 2nd and third year
21:09:43 <Pyromaniac> :P
21:09:48 <Pyromaniac> oh
21:09:55 <OliverK|School> hehe, i was young when I made my website
21:10:03 <Pyromaniac> i'm a sophomore
21:10:07 <Pyromaniac> HS
21:10:09 <Pyromaniac> :P
21:10:15 <OliverK|School> starting college when i did that
21:10:21 <OliverK|School> i'd pretty mcuh JUST gotten the internet
21:10:37 <OliverK|School> before that, I had it the day before 2000 rolled around
21:10:45 <OliverK|School> and then snip :)
21:11:09 <Pyromaniac> what are ya majoring in? portable app development? :P
21:11:23 <OliverK|School> got my associates in engineering
21:11:32 <OliverK|School> now i'm switching to system administration
21:11:34 <OliverK|School> i hope
21:11:57 <Pyromaniac> is that like setting up system networks and such?
21:11:59 <OliverK|School> found out that engineering starts with cad which is alot of sitting on my butt
21:12:01 <OliverK|School> yup
21:12:06 <OliverK|School> computers
21:12:21 <OliverK|School> basically, everything int he building, i have to know about and be able to find a way to fix it
21:12:24 <Pyromaniac> comps are my third string job
21:12:26 <OliverK|School> and yes, google helps
21:12:42 <Pyromaniac> bing too
21:12:53 <OliverK|School> i run linux :p
21:12:56 <OliverK|School> i shun bing
21:13:03 <OliverK|School> actually, only half true
21:13:07 <Pyromaniac> ubuntu
21:13:07 <Pyromaniac> ?
21:13:08 <OliverK|School> right now, winxp
21:13:33 <OliverK|School> nah, I ran mepis on my laptop,but I'm probably switching to opensuse if the hardware support is better
21:13:44 <OliverK|School> i just like google and don't care to try bing
21:14:01 <Pyromaniac> you gonna try ChromeOS?
21:14:08 <OliverK|School> nah
21:14:18 <Pyromaniac> its linux AND google
21:14:25 <Pyromaniac> 2 good things
21:14:28 <OliverK|School> meh, i don't use chrome :p
21:14:46 <OliverK|School> google alright, but I get kinda scared thinking about using there stuff
21:14:50 <OliverK|School> their*
21:14:59 <OliverK|School> be warned, i can't spell :p
21:15:07 <OliverK|School> i'll stick with debian or opensuse
21:18:30 <OliverK|School> also, the fact that chromeOS is being developed pretty much for specific hardware
21:18:46 <OliverK|School> and you can only find community compiled builds (no official build FROM google)
21:18:51 <OliverK|School> scares me off, no thanks
21:21:01 <Pyromaniac> chromeOS is for netbooks
21:21:12 <Pyromaniac> its meant to run fast on low memoer
21:21:15 <OliverK|School> yeah, i don't have one yet
21:21:16 <Pyromaniac> memory
21:21:19 <OliverK|School> wish i did
21:21:49 <OliverK|School> in the case of low memory, i'll go with xfce window manager :)
21:21:57 <OliverK|School> of, xubuntu\antix
21:23:33 <Pyromaniac> the only linux I've used are
21:23:49 <Pyromaniac> ubuntu, puppy, slax, DSL
21:24:00 <Pyromaniac> never heard of anything else
21:24:01 <OliverK|School> puppy is nice, dsl sucks
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21:24:08 <Pyromaniac> its ol
21:24:09 <Pyromaniac> ok
21:24:15 <OliverK|School> xubuntu is a derivative of ubuntu
21:24:19 <OliverK|School> its like kubuntu
21:24:27 <OliverK|School> howdy travlingeek
21:24:35 <travlingeek> hello all
21:24:57 <OliverK|School> Pyromaniac: ubuntu comes with the GNOME window manager, xubuntu uses xfce, kubuntu KDE
21:25:02 <OliverK|School> i hate dsl's interface
21:25:14 <OliverK|School> travlingeek: if you need anything, feel free to interupt
21:25:40 <travlingeek> no i just discovered this irc so far need nothing particular
21:26:00 <OliverK|School> cool, welcome to a wonderful world
21:26:03 <ZachThibeau> DSL is no more
21:26:10 <ZachThibeau> tiny core linux FTW
21:26:20 <Pyromaniac> oh, I used tiny core, too
21:26:24 <OliverK|School> slax is nice too, backtrack 3 is based on that
21:26:27 <travlingeek> im using puppy linuux as a small live cd
21:26:35 <ZachThibeau> the dev of DSL is now the dev of tiny core iirc
21:26:42 <OliverK|School> but backtrack 4 is based on ubuntu, which is kinda nice
21:26:52 <OliverK|School> yeah, I like puppy linux, its very nce
21:27:10 <OliverK|School> if i had to grab one cd, that I knew i could count on, that'd be the one
21:27:16 <OliverK|School> though I like antix as well
21:27:23 <OliverK|School> toss up
21:29:07 <Pyromaniac> SLAX is super slow
21:29:10 <Pyromaniac> on live CD
21:29:13 <Pyromaniac> puppy is fast
21:29:16 <OliverK|School> usb it works well
21:29:20 <OliverK|School> cd is awful
21:29:25 <OliverK|School> USB ftw
21:30:05 <Bensawsome> if your computer supports usb booting :/
21:30:15 <OliverK|School> this is true
21:30:21 <Bensawsome> my newest desktop doesnt
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21:30:22 <OliverK|School> my laptop technically doesn't
21:30:27 <Bensawsome> but one more model up and it could -_-
21:30:30 <Simeon> hi
21:30:37 <Pyromaniac> hi
21:30:38 <OliverK|School> but throw a little GRUB awesome sauce and you're good
21:30:42 <OliverK|School> howdy Simeon
21:30:51 <OliverK|School> Bensawsome: what a rip
21:30:54 <Bensawsome> true OliverK|School
21:31:03 <Bensawsome> well i got it for free so i dont mind xD
21:31:06 <OliverK|School> mac? or windows?
21:31:13 <OliverK|School> ah, this mitigates the issues
21:32:03 <OliverK|School> Bensawsome: mac or windows? :p
21:32:20 <Bensawsome> dell dimension 8250
21:32:26 <OliverK|School> heh
21:32:27 <travlingeek> so is this like related to portableapps.com or is this like a room where we mainly discus like various portable live distro
21:32:27 <OliverK|School> hack it
21:32:30 <Bensawsome> dude if you have a mac that doesnt support usb booting
21:32:40 <OliverK|School> bullshit :p
21:32:42 <Bensawsome> then that mac is from like.... early 90s
21:32:47 <OliverK|School> wow, nice
21:32:54 <Bensawsome> ya
21:33:01 <Pyromaniac> just talk about what you feel you need to talk about
21:33:01 <OliverK|School> i have a pc from 2000's that fails
21:33:11 <OliverK|School> yeah, pretty much
21:33:18 <OliverK|School> try to keep it computer related
21:33:40 <OliverK|School> some people get on you if you travel to far out, but so long as no body is here for support, you should be okay
21:33:44 <travlingeek> ok that i think will not be a problem lol
21:34:08 <Bensawsome> but ya dude. when macs frist got usb... thats when they started supporting booting from them i believe
21:34:12 <Bensawsome> *first
21:34:18 <OliverK|School> nice
21:34:36 <OliverK|School> well, this one that doesn't has usb 1.1
21:34:49 <OliverK|School> as far as my laptop, i dn't know whats up with it
21:34:54 <Bensawsome> lol
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21:35:36 <travlingeek> most of the computer i have has usb but not boot from usb the only 2 computer that is capable of booting of usb are my 2 compac computer i have in the living room
21:35:42 <Rapscallion> Im out c-ya
21:35:50 <OliverK|School> cya Rapscallion
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21:38:14 <travlingeek> altho i dont realy complain about the fact that they boot or not into usb cause i normaly do a install of the os be it puppy or other linux i use
21:40:08 <travlingeek> the only problem i get in the majority is finding a decent serial modem to use on them cause yes im still on dialup well i should say im force to use dialup cause i live in the country in a small village that has not much technolgy available
21:40:54 <OliverK|School> hey, a connection's a connection. Better then what I had at my house a year ago
21:40:57 <OliverK|School> nothing
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22:29:41 <ve4jhj> Does anyone know ifthere's anything further I need to do to get Scribus Portable to Pre-Release?
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22:29:57 <OliverK|School> put john t haller in a headlock
22:29:58 <arc_> hey, is there any adm on ?
22:30:03 <OliverK|School> drag him over to see it
22:30:14 <OliverK|School> sorry ve4jhjbut there's nothing we can do
22:30:22 <OliverK|School> maybe yell at chris morgan and see what he thinks
22:30:25 <MaienM> yeah, that's about the only thing that works :P
22:30:26 <ve4jhj> thanks OliverK.
22:30:30 <OliverK|School> arc_: not really, but what do you need?
22:30:45 <OliverK|School> maybe, just maybe, we can help
22:30:59 <arc_> I would like now if I could suggest some software to be added to the site...
22:31:15 <OliverK|School> sure, head over to the request apps forum
22:31:15 <arc_> do you know someone I can speak about this ?
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22:31:29 <OliverK|School> .pa request apps forum
22:31:30 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com developer and moderator and works on the PortableApps.com Launcher (please test it!)
22:31:31 <GizmoBot> OliverK|School: Request Apps: http://portableapps.com/forums/general/request_apps
22:31:41 <OliverK|School> drop a note in there, that should do :)
22:31:46 <arc_> haha, thanks guys ;D
22:31:54 <OliverK|School> make sure you search first though, you find find what you are looking for in the forums
22:31:59 <OliverK|School> no problem
22:32:06 <arc_> I just didi
22:32:09 <arc_> *didi
22:32:12 <arc_> *did
22:34:20 <ve4jhj> ChrisMorgan: I was just asking the room if there's anything I need to do to get Scribus Portable to Pre-Release. do you have any thoughts on the matter?
22:34:47 <ChrisMorgan> ve4jhj: it's a PAL app isn't it?
22:35:06 <ve4jhj> yes
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22:38:08 <ChrisMorgan> I'll try to take a look at it on my VM some time next week. I'll see if Scribus itself is any more stable than the previous release; if it's not then I don't think I'll recommend it. I tried 1.3.3.13 (think that was the number) on Vista and had no difficulty whatsoever in making it crash in a completely reproducible and common use case.
22:38:22 <ChrisMorgan> But I'll still file a report of your portable version if I test it.
22:38:27 <ChrisMorgan> Then we'll see what happens.
22:38:41 <ve4jhj> Thanks, Chris. I appreciate it.
22:39:32 <ChrisMorgan> All PAL apps will wait till PAL 2.0 final is released (I've got a couple ready for Pre-Release myself, GanttProject in particular has been flagged as ready for PR but I won't do that until PAL 2.0).
22:39:38 <ChrisMorgan> You're welcome :-)
22:39:59 <ChrisMorgan> I'll be interested to see the rate at which new DT apps come in and the quality of them once PAL is official.
22:40:18 <ve4jhj> It may be better in the upcoming release, but I won't be testing it myself until it's official.
22:42:15 <ve4jhj> provided the developer does a good job, they should be pretty decent.
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23:46:49 * pa_1481 I am trying to instatt Portable Apps on A flash drive. My operatinf is Win 7 Home preium. When I install the platform It works until I close it then try to bribg it back up . ??
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23:53:49 <pa_1481> Res2216
23:56:22 <pa_1481> Res2216firestar: Would help me?
23:56:44 <Res2216firestar> pa_1481, what's your question?
23:57:47 <ChrisMorgan> pa_1481: click on the icon in the windows bar to bring it back up; or if you quit it, start it again by running it from where you installed it to.
23:58:18 <pa_1481> I am trying to install the port aps .menu. I can grt it installed it but when I close it out it wont come back up. I'm using Win 7.