IRC Log from 2010-03-24

00:00:41 <JohnTHaller> So, start with #1... check the drive for errors. Fix em. If there is an existing copy of GIMP there. Delete App\GIMP (as long as you don't have any custom brushes added). Then try installing again.
00:00:53 <pa_9096> So I can test #1 by ejecting the drive, #2 by rebooting. How do I test #3?
00:01:12 <pa_9096> How do I check drive for errors?
00:01:16 <JohnTHaller> 1 you need to check for errors, too.
00:01:42 <JohnTHaller> In Explorer, right-click the drive and select properties. In the window that comes up, select the Tools tab. In there, click Check Now in the check for errors groupbox.
00:02:06 <JohnTHaller> As for the antivirus, I'll check for any false positives on that file now...
00:02:37 <pa_9096> It's not just that file. It's a lot of files when installing Gimp, OpenOffice, etc
00:03:21 <JohnTHaller> Ah, that's a different story. That kind of rules out a DLL being locked... as long as you're sure the apps aren't running.
00:03:36 <JohnTHaller> What kind of drive do you have and where and when did you buy it?
00:04:00 <pa_9096> Brand new LaCie 8GB imakey drive. Purchased from Amazon
00:04:11 <JohnTHaller> Which vendor on Amazon?
00:04:23 <pa_9096> Amazon itself
00:04:38 <JohnTHaller> Just trying to make sure it's a reputable one and not a hacked drive. A lot of them go through ebay and 2ndary stores on Amazon.
00:04:56 <JohnTHaller> Did you just get the drive recently?
00:05:06 <pa_9096> just got it today.
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00:05:27 <JohnTHaller> Ok. Are you using it on your own PC or a PC you know has good USB ports that you've used other drives on?
00:06:26 <JohnTHaller> Ok, just verified that there are no false positives in that file in any major antivirus, so we're on the right track in thinking this is a drive hardware issue.
00:06:46 <JohnTHaller> Results if you're curious: http://www.virustotal.com/analisis/720fff250b9d94215fdbcaf8a58dd1b549895c8c1e9ff33ac08edea746f1328c-1269388978
00:07:40 <pa_9096> I'm using my own pc, and a usb port that has worked frequently in the past.
00:08:17 <pa_9096> It's still checking the drive for errors, and after all this time, only about 20% done. Is this typical?
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00:08:36 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the poor person that can't get a working server but produces the awesome PChat :D
00:08:40 <ChrisMorgan> pa_9096, when you use the full error check it is pretty slow.
00:08:43 <JohnTHaller> Ok, it's looking like a bad drive at this point... which does happen. Try installing GIMP Portable to your PC (anywhere is fine except C:\Program Files). And then copy the GIMPPortable directory from there to X:\PortableApps where X is your drive letter.
00:09:00 <ChrisMorgan> I presume the drive is fairly empty at this point though?
00:09:27 <pa_9096> yes, drive is pretty empty. PortableApps and portable apps are the first things I've put on it.
00:09:37 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: Already confirmed that the PC is ok. Happens on multiple products. Bought from Amazon itself (reputable). And it was received today.
00:09:44 <ChrisMorgan> Yep, I read the logs
00:10:30 <ChrisMorgan> But chkdisk /f (or the graphical equivalent, checking for errors with auto-fix problems) is pretty slow. If the drive is fairly empty it shouldn't be /very/ slow.
00:10:35 <JohnTHaller> Ok. pa_9096, you can try installing GIMP Portable and OpenOffice.org Portable locally and then copying them to the drive. But, even at this point, it most definitely sounds like a drive issue.
00:10:43 <ChrisMorgan> I'd say so too
00:11:17 <Scriptdaemon> ChrisMorgan, did you ever figure out what was causing Revo Uninstaller Portable not to launch?
00:11:21 <JohnTHaller> You can either swap it with Amazon (which will probably be fastest since it is brand new) or do a warranty exchange with LaCie, the iamaKey has a 2 year warranty.
00:11:41 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon, not yet. I can't get admin on this machine here at Uni so I'm somewhat stuck with it (I'll try it though without admin)
00:11:45 <JohnTHaller> Since you just got it today, Amazon is probably the easiest.
00:11:47 <pa_9096> You guys are great. Thanks for your advice. I'll call amazon as soon as I run through a few of your suggestions. I'm sure amazon will replace quickly
00:12:16 <JohnTHaller> pa_9096: Cool. You're welcome. Hope they can exchange it nice and quickly for you so you can start using your apps!
00:12:39 <vf2nsr> What is the best way to package a jar program to create a portableapp out of it?
00:12:51 <pa_9096> Nice and quick is key. I'm leaving for China on Saturday!
00:13:02 <ChrisMorgan> vf2nsr, the PortableApps.com Launcher
00:13:22 <JohnTHaller> pa_9096: Ouch. I'd inquire about cross-shipping, then.
00:13:29 <vf2nsr> as a techie not a programmer is it intuitive or do I have a huge learning curve on it?
00:13:39 <JohnTHaller> Have then charge the new one to your credit card and then refund it when they get the old one. Just to make sure you get it in time.
00:14:24 <pa_9096> My experience with Amazon is that they're not even going to want the old one back, and they'll send the new one at no charge immediately. We'll see
00:14:27 <ChrisMorgan> vf2nsr: set ProgramExecutable to javaw.exe and then have CommandLineArguments something like "-jar foo.jar"
00:14:39 <ChrisMorgan> Oh, and [Require] Java=require
00:14:57 <JohnTHaller> pa_9096: Ok, well, I hope you get it in time. Maybe get them to spring for express shipping for your trouble ;-)
00:15:00 <ChrisMorgan> [Activate] I mean
00:15:01 <vf2nsr> ok I can force it to use the portable java or do I let it decide?
00:15:51 <ChrisMorgan> vf2nsr: if you put in the [Activate] section with a value Java=require, it'll use the portable Java if found or fall back to a local installation or failing that complain.
00:16:34 <vf2nsr> awesome now I need to wait permission from the author to try it thanks....finally cound me an opensource blackjack game I like :)
00:17:29 <vf2nsr> and referred him to th PA site as he wsa looking for a way to run java portable as well ;)
00:19:08 <Scriptdaemon> I'm going to *attempt* to portabilize Blood Frontier with the PA.c launcher. When I can make time, of course.
00:19:43 <Scriptdaemon> That's a rather large game though, so I have to figure out what I can upx too.
00:20:42 <vf2nsr> I trying to start small lol haven't done any programming since the days fo the TI99/4A want to get comfortable with the little stuff and the conversions first
00:22:04 <vf2nsr> thanks guys !
00:27:52 <vf2nsr> off to play I guess see what kind of trouble I can get into
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00:32:03 <ZachThibeau> anyways howdy all :)
00:41:09 <Scriptdaemon> Hey ZachThibeau.
00:41:17 <ZachThibeau> whats up
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00:42:00 <Scriptdaemon> I got disconnected earlier because my computer hibernated, and when I got back I got a separate tab (warnings) with a huge list of warnings for PChat.
00:42:14 <Scriptdaemon> Gdk gdkdrawable-win32.c:1259: LineTo failed: The handle is invalid.
00:43:40 <ZachThibeau> thats normal, to turn that off one has to set a environment variable (something I forgot to add when I was working on the package)
00:44:00 <ZachThibeau> but it's nothing to worry about, more or less it's just a debugger of sorts
00:44:29 <Scriptdaemon> Ah, so in the code itself it is intended to be surpressed though?
00:44:44 <Scriptdaemon> What causes that, btw?
00:45:06 <ZachThibeau> through an environment variable yes without the environment variable set then it will spit out like that
00:45:43 <ZachThibeau> I know where it is in the code so next release I send out I'll comment out that part so I don't have to add the environment variable at all
00:46:33 <Scriptdaemon> Or allow it only in debug mode?
00:47:22 <ZachThibeau> nah I'm just going to remove debug mode altogether in that case. maybe force it to write to a text file instead of a new tab
00:48:56 <ZachThibeau> either way it'll be fixed next release, atm my main concern is getting my server running again and the site content running properly and then make a linux build
00:49:47 <Scriptdaemon> Yeah.
00:50:48 <Scriptdaemon> When do you want to start on rewriting it in wxWidgets?
00:50:53 <ZachThibeau> I'm thinking of making a wordpress theme based off of the UI of PChat for the PChat site :)
00:51:09 <Scriptdaemon> That'd be cool.
00:51:15 <ZachThibeau> and I already started something I just have to submit it to svn under the branch folder
00:51:15 <ChrisMorgan> ZachThibeau, hey, I don't want an application which looks like a website!
00:51:56 <ChrisMorgan> ZachThibeau, when it really gets scary is when you apply a custom persona to Firefox 3.6+ users when they access the site...
00:52:12 <ZachThibeau> ChrisMorgan: well good thing I'm basing a website that looks like an application ;)
00:52:34 <JohnTHaller> And the same persona to your PA.c Menu, too.... Oooooooo
00:52:52 <ChrisMorgan> EEEEEK!
00:53:07 <ZachThibeau> anyways it's just an idea I'm toying around
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00:53:22 <ZachThibeau> night MaienM|Sleep
00:53:35 <Scriptdaemon> I browsed the source a bit, and a few config classes I looked at I believe can be completely done with built-in wxWidgets config classes.
00:53:46 <ZachThibeau> nice :)
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00:54:15 <vf2nsr> chris I am a bit confused? do I create a launcher.ini file that the PA LAuncher accesses? To portablize a jar program?
00:54:31 <ZachThibeau> once I get my website stuff straightend out I'll add you to the sf.net project page so you can have svn access Scriptdaemon
00:54:44 <Scriptdaemon> At least the one that parses .ini files. wxFileConfig does that.
00:54:46 <ChrisMorgan> vf2nsr: yes
00:54:56 <Scriptdaemon> Awesome.
00:55:23 <vf2nsr> and then the laucher is placed into same directory and will launch it (hopefully)?
00:55:43 <ZachThibeau> Scriptdaemon: go to -dev for the continuation of the conversation :P
00:56:15 <vf2nsr> Don't mean to sound stupid or be a pain
00:56:22 <ChrisMorgan> vf2nsr: something like this: ./FooPortable.exe, ./App/AppInfo/Launcher/FooPortable.ini, ./App/AppInfo/Launcher/splash.jpg, ./App/Foo/foo.jar
00:57:16 <vf2nsr> ok will give it a try
00:57:18 <vf2nsr> ty
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00:58:52 <ChrisMorgan> Bye, lectures now.
00:58:55 <JohnTHaller> later
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01:19:11 <JohnTHaller> I just enabled additional social networking buttons on stories. They appear at the bottom. What do you guys think? http://portableapps.com/news/2010-02-23_-_firefox_portable_3.6.2
01:23:16 <Scriptdaemon> Could certainly help get the word out.
01:23:23 <JohnTHaller> Dats the goal
01:23:39 <JohnTHaller> alright, back in a bit
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02:56:39 <JohnTHaller> Anybody have any suggestions on what they'd like to see on app homepages? A layout rework is in progress?
02:57:04 <OliverK> works for me
02:57:29 <JohnTHaller> Thinking about combing description and features into a simple paragraph
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02:58:08 <Scriptdaemon> I thought of some things awhile back, but now I can't think of 'em.
02:58:23 <JohnTHaller> If you do, I'll create a thread in the forums for suggestions
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03:00:15 <JohnTHaller> hola ChrisMorgan
03:00:41 <ChrisMorgan> Hey JohnTHaller
03:01:20 <JohnTHaller> how was lecture?
03:01:51 <ChrisMorgan> The MTH1030 (Modelling Techniques, maths) one was interesting, the FIT1002 (Computer Programming) was boring as usual.
03:02:44 <ChrisMorgan> I haven't learned anything worth learning in FIT1002... the only things I have learned are Java things which I would otherwise just have learned from the Java API reference when I needed them.
03:03:45 <ChrisMorgan> So now I'll get back to my interesting programming ;-)
03:04:02 <JohnTHaller> Hehe. I spose PAL is def more interesting
03:04:09 <ChrisMorgan> Most assuredly.
03:04:32 <JohnTHaller> btw - you need to email me your address. i want to send you one of our super-rare limited edition ultra cool PA.c drives :-)
03:04:42 <ChrisMorgan> Ooooh!
03:04:58 <JohnTHaller> You've done more than enough work to be on the shortlist of owners... seriously
03:05:22 <Scriptdaemon> Don't say that in chat. You'll make everyone jealous.
03:05:24 <Scriptdaemon> ... :(
03:05:32 <JohnTHaller> Do more :-)
03:05:35 <JohnTHaller> Kidding, kidding.
03:05:40 <ChrisMorgan> Hehe
03:05:42 <Scriptdaemon> I'm waiting for the launcher!
03:06:14 <JohnTHaller> We'll probably do a run of them as a fund raiser at some point. But not this first run. They're give-away only. May give away one to forum members, twitter followers and facebook fans as a promo soon, though.
03:06:15 <Scriptdaemon> Revo Uninstaller should be good to go, other than the not-launching thing.
03:06:29 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah :-(
03:07:33 <Scriptdaemon> Next is Speccy, Blood Frontier some point in the future (maybe), and a bunch of other things I've been looking at. I want to focus on one at a time for now though.
03:08:29 <ChrisMorgan> I must check through the Google Chrome Portable Passwords plug-in source code... unless I mistyped the password on the previous attempt, it always then puts up a warning message box "Keyset does not exist." It works fine though.
03:08:57 <OliverK> you'll get that whenever you mistype a password
03:09:01 <OliverK> otherwise, it won't show
03:09:09 <ChrisMorgan> OliverK, the "Keyset does not exist."?
03:09:17 <OliverK> should be
03:09:18 <ChrisMorgan> If I get it wrong it says "wrong password".
03:09:23 <OliverK> really?
03:09:26 <OliverK> i've never gotten that
03:09:35 <OliverK> that i can think of
03:09:36 <ChrisMorgan> If I get it /right/ then unless I got it wrong last time it says "keyset does not exist"
03:09:54 <ChrisMorgan> If I get it wrong then it says "wrong password" and then next time /doesn't/ say "keyset does not exist" when I get it right.
03:10:04 <ChrisMorgan> That's with PortablePasswords=true and EncryptPasswords=true
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03:11:02 <OliverK> hhm
03:11:09 <OliverK> i don't know what settings i have in the ini
03:11:13 <OliverK> and i'm nessing with something else
03:11:24 <OliverK> bugger messed with my .def in another channel
03:11:26 <OliverK> fix him
03:11:30 <ChrisMorgan> I only have PortablePasswords=true, all the rest is left.
03:14:11 <ChrisMorgan> That's why... I had wondered why when in Mixxx I closed the Preferences with Escape the window went fullscreen and I couldn't get it right again. Escape makes it fullscreen and vice versa, even through a subwindow.
03:14:35 <ChrisMorgan> And so Mixxx window takes over again and the preferences window actually stays open, behind. Tut tut.
03:14:54 <ChrisMorgan> Mixxx Portable seems to be working well though.
03:15:23 <JohnTHaller> Wonder if it's fixed in their beta.
03:15:45 <JohnTHaller> Cool. I'm itching to get Mixxx out. Probably will with PA.c Launcher Beta 2. ALong with LMMS and the new music suite
03:16:01 <ChrisMorgan> I don't know. It's something most people wouldn't find out about as most people don't close Preferences windows with Cancelling and most don't press Escape to do it anyway.
03:16:16 <ChrisMorgan> OK, I'll try to push out Beta 2 now.
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03:19:40 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: I'll be using the PortableApps.com Installer Unicode build
03:20:32 <JohnTHaller> Ah ok. I'm gonna start switching over to it tomorrow, myself. Gonna be the new official one.
03:20:48 <ChrisMorgan> Should I wait for a new build of it then or not?
03:20:52 <ChrisMorgan> I imagine not
03:21:23 <JohnTHaller> Well, the PA.c Launcher installer won't really be used by end users anyway, just devs, so it's fine using the current build.
03:21:33 <ChrisMorgan> True
03:22:20 <JohnTHaller> I'm gonna do a test build of it tomorrow, most likely. And I think I am gonna just update to Delphi 2010 and go Unicode the whole way. Then the backup, updater, menu, launcher and installer will all be unicode and can all use unicode translations (No more codepaging!).
03:22:30 <JohnTHaller> I just need to get the embeddedlists C updated for Unicode.
03:22:34 <ChrisMorgan> That will be nice for all of us.
03:23:04 <ChrisMorgan> And so 1.6 will be declared the last for 98 support.
03:23:41 <ChrisMorgan> In some ways it could be nicer if you could do a final 2.0 ANSI build. Otherwise people using 98 might complain of favouritism or something with the new features being 2000+
03:23:43 <JohnTHaller> Yup. That'll be the plan. Just a lot easier to make the break now as we'll be updating everything anyway. All apps getting updated for the graphics and installer refresh anyway... so why not just get it all done now.
03:24:02 <ChrisMorgan> Yep, it's sound logic.
03:24:17 <JohnTHaller> 1.6.1 will probably be a final Win98 build. An ANSI updater won't work with the Unicode updater.ini on the server anyway.
03:24:39 <ChrisMorgan> Depends on whether it's UTF-8 or UTF-16LE.
03:25:01 <ChrisMorgan> ANSI and UTF-16LE can cope fine with UTF-8, but ANSI can't cope with UTF-16LE
03:25:12 <ChrisMorgan> The whole Unicode thing is a mess :-(
03:25:19 <JohnTHaller> All the important apps in the suite already dropped Win9x anyway. FF, TB, OO, SB (with 1.0 anyway), Pidgin.
03:25:23 <ChrisMorgan> LE, BE, WE, 8, 16, 251476
03:25:24 <ChrisMorgan> ...
03:25:44 <ChrisMorgan> Yeppity. People on 98 will have to admit they're behind the times.
03:25:50 <JohnTHaller> I think I may do a "Legacy Suite" build for Win9x with the old apps in it for people who REALLY want it.
03:26:19 <ChrisMorgan> It'd be a nice thing to do. So long as it's not too hard.
03:27:03 <JohnTHaller> Nah. Just drop in the old versions to my build system. Not a huge deal. Could even do an ultimate version of it, too (wouldn't support upgrades of the apps) with all the old Win9x supporting apps before we do the full-scale app upgrade.
03:27:05 <ChrisMorgan> "Note: this will not work on Windows 3.11 or earlier. There is no edition of the PortableApps.com Suite for those platforms." ;-)
03:27:11 <JohnTHaller> Heh
03:27:16 <Scriptdaemon> It's nice you're still doing all that, but there really has to be a point where you just say "That's 10+ years old. Upgrade already."
03:27:41 <ChrisMorgan> I reckon usage of 98 is now finally dropping off very quickly.
03:27:47 <JohnTHaller> Yeah. This would be the last hurrah for it. There are a lot of Win9x machines out there in developing countries. South America. Places like that.
03:28:01 <JohnTHaller> Win2K is our new baseline even though it's well less than 1%
03:28:02 <Scriptdaemon> Hmm, true.
03:28:17 <ChrisMorgan> 98 was still /fairly/ (unreasonably) popular until two or three years ago, in the last couple of years I reckon it's dropped off sharply.
03:28:41 <ChrisMorgan> My old school has had no 98 machines for a bit under 2 years.
03:29:05 <Scriptdaemon> The lab where I work already has Windows 7.
03:29:23 <OliverK|Test> my college is switching sometime this summer
03:29:29 <OliverK|Test> well, on eof them
03:29:32 <ChrisMorgan> The main reason supporting 2000 rather than XP as the baseline is a good idea is because there's practically nothing to do to do it.
03:29:54 <JohnTHaller> Exactly
03:29:56 <OliverK|Test> the other is so stupid until last week they had ie6. They finally updated firefox to 3.5.2 dipsticks
03:30:00 <JohnTHaller> Only a few apps don't support XP
03:30:14 <OliverK|Test> all instructor machines that can get win7 get it
03:30:14 <ChrisMorgan> And generally that's just because they've done it badly.
03:30:19 <JohnTHaller> Alright... back in a bit. Gonna unwind before bed with a little Mass Effect 2 :-)
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03:30:31 <ChrisMorgan> Some game?
03:31:00 <Scriptdaemon> Yeah, it's a game.
03:32:23 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... where did I put my docs build script?
03:32:59 <ChrisMorgan> This USB disk..? That USB disk..?
03:33:19 <Scriptdaemon> lol
03:33:26 <ChrisMorgan> I seem to have lost it :-/
03:34:07 <ChrisMorgan> No matter, no matter... easy to reconstruct. Just a matter of PYTHONPATH.
03:34:54 <Scriptdaemon> I have a question regarding registry keys I'm allowed to leave behind.
03:35:32 <Scriptdaemon> HKU\S-1-5-21-4085009182-405019399-1823126418-1001\Software\Microsoft\DirectInput\MostRecentApplication\Name: "BFCLIENT.EXE" For example. Does that have to be backed up? I figure MostRecentApplication is something that Windows itself creates?
03:36:02 <ChrisMorgan> That's fine, you can leave it.
03:36:29 <ChrisMorgan> And remember HKU\S-* is HKCU
03:36:36 <Scriptdaemon> Yeah.
03:36:44 <ChrisMorgan> Anything in the DirectInput key should be fine to leave.
03:36:56 <Scriptdaemon> This shouldn't be as difficult as it first seemed after all.
03:37:40 <Scriptdaemon> HKU\S-1-5-21-4085009182-405019399-1823126418-1001_Classes\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\Bags\489\Shell\{5C4F28B5-F869-4E84-8E60-F11DB97C5CC7}\FFlags: 0x41200001
03:37:53 <Scriptdaemon> There are a lot of keys in Bags. What's that all about?
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03:38:16 <ChrisMorgan> That is a weird key name.
03:38:42 <ChrisMorgan> Take a look in regedit at HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\Bags to see if it's there.
03:38:55 <ChrisMorgan> It could also be HKCR or HKCR\Local Settings.
03:39:04 <ChrisMorgan> I don't recognise that hive name or the Local Settings stuff at all.
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03:40:18 <Scriptdaemon> Bags and BagMRU are there (that's another one from the Regshot).
03:40:24 <OliverK> yup, i have it to
03:40:27 <ChrisMorgan> Which location?
03:40:28 <OliverK> on server 2003
03:40:30 <Scriptdaemon> HKCU *
03:40:37 <OliverK> hkcu
03:40:43 <Scriptdaemon> I'll check the other.
03:41:01 <ChrisMorgan> Don't think it should be there
03:41:15 <OliverK> ChrisMorgan: its here
03:41:22 <ChrisMorgan> In HKCR?
03:41:24 <OliverK> this is a fairly fresh install of windows server 2003
03:41:27 <OliverK> hkcu
03:41:33 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, I'd expect it there.
03:41:42 <ChrisMorgan> Just the _Classes\Local Settings bit I don't understand
03:42:01 <ChrisMorgan> Not sure what the Bags are, just searching...
03:42:21 <OliverK> there's nothing in hkey_classes_root
03:42:29 <OliverK> which is what i assume you are talking about
03:42:31 <Scriptdaemon> Yeah.
03:42:47 <ChrisMorgan> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/813711 seems to indicate it's folder view customisations.
03:44:01 <Scriptdaemon> You know what. Looking through the rest of these, I don't think Blood Frontier actually uses the registry for anything. There are a LOT of keys added or modified, but they seem like things Windows created itself.
03:44:04 <ChrisMorgan> In which case I think you should be allowed to leave it
03:44:17 <ChrisMorgan> Not terribly surprising.
03:44:24 <ChrisMorgan> Most registry clutter is Windows'
03:44:46 <Scriptdaemon> That just saved me a lot of work.
03:44:49 <OliverK> most that you should see and care about is hkcu\software\whatever
03:45:39 <Scriptdaemon> The only thing in that is the install directory.
03:46:48 <ChrisMorgan> If I could be bothered I'd go through Regshot and add in an "Ignore clutter" checkbox with lots of known "pointless" values and files to ignore.
03:47:23 <Scriptdaemon> Shouldn't be too much to add.
03:47:39 <Scriptdaemon> Just maintaining the black list.
03:48:09 <ChrisMorgan> Yep. I'm just too lazy to work out how to do it and fork regshot and all that.
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03:49:14 <Scriptdaemon> I'd do it if I didn't already have a load of projects on my hands.
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04:06:32 <Scriptdaemon> ChrisMorgan, do you know anything about the unicode fork of Regshot? Particularly, have they released the source?
04:06:47 <ChrisMorgan> That Russian project?
04:08:18 <Scriptdaemon> Yeah.
04:08:33 <ChrisMorgan> I've looked briefly at it but not tried it or anything like that.
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04:08:51 <JohnTHaller> ok back
04:08:57 <Scriptdaemon> Wb.
04:09:56 <JohnTHaller> Yes, Mass Effect 2 is an Xbox 360 game. Solid SciFi epic. Semi-RPGish and FPSish.
04:12:15 <ChrisMorgan> I'm making myself a make release script now.
04:15:14 <JohnTHaller> cool
04:19:48 <Scriptdaemon> You know, I think I will take a look at Regshot's code.
04:22:50 * ChrisMorgan takes the plunge and runs his build script
04:23:42 <ChrisMorgan> ....?
04:23:58 <ChrisMorgan> The documentation built, then it stopped for no apparent reason.
04:25:30 <ChrisMorgan> In executing make_release.bat it gets to the end of Manual\make.bat and stops. Anyone got any idea why?
04:25:42 <ChrisMorgan> No, it's not got exit or anything like that.
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04:32:19 <ChrisMorgan> OK, all seems to be working now, now to see what it's generated.
04:32:25 <OliverK|Away> ChrisMorgan: it would help to see the bat file :p
04:32:47 <ChrisMorgan> Maybe if I'd used start.
04:32:58 <ChrisMorgan> I ended up just cutting the bit of code I needed out into the first batch file.
04:37:43 <ChrisMorgan> Oh dear... Unicode NSIS Portable is today failing to find its RealProgress plug-in..?
04:40:23 <ChrisMorgan> Reinstalling Unicode NSIS Portable to see if that does anything.
04:42:10 <ChrisMorgan> *WAH!*
04:42:16 <ChrisMorgan> What has changed!?
04:42:44 <JohnTHaller> Ouch
04:43:22 <ChrisMorgan> For some reason it's not detecting its own plug-ins directory.
04:43:26 <ChrisMorgan> Or not all of it.
04:44:08 <ChrisMorgan> This line looks wrong: `Processing plugin dlls: "D:\PortableApps\NSISPortable\App\NSIS\Plugins\*.dll"`
04:44:12 <ChrisMorgan> That should be UnicodeNSISPortable
04:44:28 <ChrisMorgan> Somehow, I don't know how, it's getting itself (UnicodeNSISPortable) muddled with NSISPortable
04:44:36 <JohnTHaller> Argh
04:44:39 <JohnTHaller> Env vars?
04:44:46 <JohnTHaller> Reboot?
04:44:47 <ChrisMorgan> That is what I propose to work out.
04:46:50 <ChrisMorgan> And we come to another thing I don't like about (Unicode or not) NSIS Portable: nsisconf.nsh should NOT, NOT, NOT go in Data and be moved to App. A simple file should be created in App\NSIS which !includes ..\..\Data\settings\nsisconf.nsh.
04:47:16 <JohnTHaller> Fix it :-)
04:47:17 <OliverK|Away> ChrisMorgan: then complain in the forums
04:47:23 <OliverK|Away> gringoloco isn't here :p
04:47:40 <ChrisMorgan> It's an issue in NSIS Portable itself which is why it's carried through to NSISu P
04:47:49 <OliverK|Away> heh
04:47:51 <JohnTHaller> I know. But add it in if you want to.
04:48:01 <OliverK|Away> it took to long for nsisportable itself to be released
04:48:08 <OliverK|Away> it what we've got
04:48:13 <ChrisMorgan> It's easy to fix, and much simpler, AND it makes it so you can use makensis directly without potentially losing any functionality.
04:48:18 <OliverK|Away> quit
04:48:21 <OliverK|Away> just quit
04:48:28 <OliverK|Away> yeah, its a easy simple fix
04:48:37 <OliverK|Away> you aren't the dev
04:48:44 <OliverK|Away> so, either become the dev, or shutup
04:48:53 <OliverK|Away> its not something i really want to hear about
04:48:58 <OliverK|Away> how terrible something is
04:49:03 <JohnTHaller> Um, Oliver? What's up
04:49:10 <OliverK|Away> plenty
04:49:16 <OliverK|Away> but i'm not going into it :)
04:49:19 <OliverK|Away> i'm evil
04:49:21 <OliverK|Away> muhahaha
04:49:53 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: Feel free to fix it locally. Post a patch to the NSIS Unicode thread in the forum. And we'll include it in the official release.
04:50:03 <OliverK|Away> sounds like a excellent idea
04:50:07 <OliverK|Away> i like that
04:50:19 <OliverK|Away> its getting something done, instead of complaining about it
04:50:31 <JohnTHaller> Regardless of the dev, I have final say on the release :-) And if chris has a way to improve it without busting anything, we do it.
04:50:42 <OliverK|Away> the dev has left i believe
04:50:44 <OliverK|Away> :)
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04:51:09 <JohnTHaller> Zach is still around... just not on IRC at this moment.
04:51:16 <OliverK> thibaeu?
04:51:18 <OliverK> or hudock
04:51:26 <OliverK> i can't remember which zach it was :p
04:51:27 <JohnTHaller> thibeau
04:51:30 <OliverK> k
04:51:38 <OliverK> hudock worked on it previously
04:51:39 <ChrisMorgan> Huddock did it originally then Thibeau took it over
04:51:49 <JohnTHaller> Yeah. In the SourceForge awards, I thanked
04:51:55 <JohnTHaller> "the zacks" in my speech
04:51:59 <OliverK> hehe
04:52:01 <OliverK> i watched it
04:52:08 <OliverK> was suprised at how young you were
04:52:11 <OliverK> not sure why ;)
04:52:25 <JohnTHaller> I'm not THAT young. I do look younger than I am, though.
04:52:27 <ChrisMorgan> ${NSISDIR} is completely screwed up.
04:52:35 <ChrisMorgan> :-(
04:52:44 <OliverK> JohnTHaller: i'm pegging late twenties?
04:52:44 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: How?
04:52:49 <JohnTHaller> Try 36.
04:52:51 <OliverK> wow
04:52:54 <OliverK> :)
04:53:06 <OliverK> i guess that's a compliment then, huh?
04:53:08 <ChrisMorgan> It's going to D:\PortableApps\NSISPortable\App\NSIS rather than D:\PortableApps\UnicodeNSISPortable\App\NSIS somehow
04:53:09 <JohnTHaller> Like I said, most people think I'm 5-10 years younger than I actually am. Sometimes I act it :-D
04:53:19 <ChrisMorgan> I have no idea why it's doing it or how.
04:53:28 <JohnTHaller> In NSISu?
04:53:32 <ChrisMorgan> Yep
04:53:43 <ChrisMorgan> Baaaad baaaaaad whatever-it-is.
04:54:44 <JohnTHaller> HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\NSIS?
04:54:53 <ChrisMorgan> Nothing there.
04:55:00 <ChrisMorgan> I have no idea where it's getting it from.
04:59:27 <ChrisMorgan> I'm utterly stuck as to where it's got it from.
04:59:44 <ChrisMorgan> I haven't run NSIS Portable at all on this machine, only NSISuP.
04:59:55 <JohnTHaller> The string NSISPortable does not appear in ANY NSIS files other than appinfo.ini and UnicodeNSISPortableSettings.ini
05:00:01 <OliverK> out of curiosity
05:00:07 <OliverK> under wine
05:00:10 <OliverK> or your vm?
05:00:16 <ChrisMorgan> Windows XP
05:00:21 <ChrisMorgan> At Uni
05:00:22 <OliverK> k
05:00:29 <ChrisMorgan> Clean machine as far as NSIS is concerned
05:00:42 <ChrisMorgan> Cleaned on every boot
05:00:51 <OliverK> deepfreeze ftw
05:01:11 <ChrisMorgan> They do it here with some network booting thingy
05:01:23 <JohnTHaller> HKLM\Software\NSIS?
05:01:49 <ChrisMorgan> -
05:01:55 <JohnTHaller> Wait, do you have a working directory on your shortcut to it?
05:02:13 <ChrisMorgan> Shortcut? I'm executing it through a batch script
05:02:26 <JohnTHaller> Where is the batch script and what directory is it in when running?
05:02:32 <ChrisMorgan> Other\Source\Manual
05:02:52 <JohnTHaller> try CDing to the makensis directory before running it in the batch file
05:03:11 <ChrisMorgan> The machine just seems to be going completely wonky somehow.
05:03:18 <ChrisMorgan> Anyway, I need to go home now.
05:03:18 <JohnTHaller> did you reboot yet?
05:03:24 <ChrisMorgan> No
05:03:33 <JohnTHaller> Dats why. Always try a reboot with Windows :-)
05:03:36 <ChrisMorgan> Takes too long...
05:03:55 <JohnTHaller> alright. bedtime. gnight all
05:04:13 <ChrisMorgan> Got to go home via the shops to get a spare bike tube... I came to Uni today on the bus due to a flat tyre yesterday afternoon :-(
05:04:21 <ChrisMorgan> Which I didn't get time to fix :-(
05:05:02 <JohnTHaller> No fun
05:05:16 <ChrisMorgan> Everything's getting muddled on this machine at the moment... batch files terminating when I don't think they should be, things locking up a bit... I'll try again tomorrow.
05:05:29 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, skip it for now
05:05:56 <ChrisMorgan> Sorry, it means you're not getting PAL2b2 today.
05:06:26 <JohnTHaller> Aw, gimme gimme
05:06:34 <ChrisMorgan> Tough :D ;-)
05:06:44 <ChrisMorgan> Sorry about it. Blame the NSIS developers for it ;-)
05:06:56 <JohnTHaller> Or your XP box, which is apparently a mess
05:06:59 <ChrisMorgan> I am utterly bamboozled by it :-)
05:07:10 <ChrisMorgan> I dunno. It does seem to be behaving a bit weird.
05:07:19 <JohnTHaller> you gonna have time for b2 tomorrow? Just trying to plan releases following it
05:07:55 <ChrisMorgan> I hope so. I've got 6 hours of labs and tutes but may be able to squeeze it in before (and during the lab... they never have 2 hours of work for me, more like 20-25 minutes)
05:08:06 <JohnTHaller> Ok, cool
05:08:08 <ChrisMorgan> Not certain though.
05:08:21 <JohnTHaller> If I can help, lemme know
05:08:30 <ChrisMorgan> Anyway, tip is ready for it, it's just a matter of building it all.
05:08:58 <JohnTHaller> If it's definitely ready, I can try my hand on it. If you trust my meager Mercurial skillz
05:08:59 <ChrisMorgan> So if you want you could get NSISu and hg tip out and compile GeneratorWizard.nsi then run it to generate the launcher executable.
05:09:16 <ChrisMorgan> If you've already got a repo cloned, "hg pull" then "hg up"
05:09:22 <ChrisMorgan> Or equivalent in TortoiseHg
05:09:44 <ChrisMorgan> The only thing which may change is the build script unless I get more bug reports.
05:10:08 <ChrisMorgan> Bye
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10:50:28 <sar3th> sorry, i had trouble with my znc appearently; it's fixed now
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13:53:41 <dboki89> SPAM on http://portableapps.com/node/23096#comment-145803
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15:17:24 <vf2nsr> Morning John
15:19:37 <JohnTHaller> how goes it?
15:21:10 <vf2nsr> round and round
15:21:34 <vf2nsr> got my permission from the author of the jar Blackjack to poertabalize it so will give it a go later
15:25:14 <JohnTHaller> cool
15:26:11 <vf2nsr> will be my first attempt BUT I think I can do it (Heavy on think)
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15:30:01 <Gringoloco> Hello
15:30:06 <JohnTHaller> howdy
15:30:13 <OliverK> howdy Gringoloco
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15:30:31 * OliverK|Away <3 miranda :)
15:30:38 <OliverK|Away> miranda IM that is
15:30:41 <Gringoloco> I'm working on embeddedlists plugin today
15:31:10 <Gringoloco> But, I was wondering if time plugin it also needed for the updater?
15:31:54 <JohnTHaller> No, it shouldn't be :-)
15:32:00 <JohnTHaller> How goes embeddedlists?
15:32:18 <Gringoloco> Not sure as I just started...
15:33:41 <Gringoloco> But I remember AfroUK, the original autor, said a while ago he will do it, when ever he would find time...
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15:35:10 <Gringoloco> I just give it ago, as I read you're really using it, and after we could always swapp it for his !
15:36:21 <JohnTHaller> True and true.
15:36:33 <JohnTHaller> It's the only thing holding back the updater from unicoded
15:38:37 <vf2nsr> bbl off to real work (one that pays the bills)
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15:55:48 <Gringoloco> No luck at recompiling, probably need to get my hands on another PC at the weekend which has Microsoft Visual C++ installed on it.
15:56:06 <JohnTHaller> You can download the express version which should be all you need?
16:00:59 <Gringoloco> I know, but it's about 4 hours of downloading from my connection, by the time I have it set up, it would be bed time anyway. Could you wait till the weekend ?
16:01:11 <JohnTHaller> Ouch, that's painful.
16:01:24 <JohnTHaller> What's usually involved? Just switching the A calls to U calls?
16:03:06 <Gringoloco> It' usually not even that difficult. There is no need to deal with A & U, 'nsis_tchar.h' deals with that part.
16:03:20 <Gringoloco> It's changing char to TCHAR
16:04:02 <Gringoloco> Put _T(), around "any text', like _T("any text')
16:04:51 <Gringoloco> and there is sometimes some fiddeling with * sizeof(TCHAR)
16:05:16 <Gringoloco> read, multiply by two, above.
16:05:35 <JohnTHaller> yeah, figured :-)
16:07:28 <Gringoloco> It's just odd, most source files compile perfect in minGW, but some really need VC++
16:13:57 <Gringoloco> Don't you have to get PAM converted to a unicode edition, before anything else ?
16:14:15 <JohnTHaller> Working on it. Buying Delphi 2010
16:16:50 <Gringoloco> Yeah, that's what the author of SimpleSC plugin told me, he would want to recompile it for unicode, but needed to buy new Delphi fist !
16:17:21 <JohnTHaller> Need the wull windows SDK to compile embeddedlists
16:18:55 <Gringoloco> You mean, I won't be able to do it with the express version
16:19:10 <OliverK|Away> Gringoloco: i have msvc
16:19:16 <JohnTHaller> You need Express and then the Windows SDK (another 1.5GB install)
16:19:36 <OliverK|Away> if you can convert the source, I can compile it for you
16:19:45 <JohnTHaller> convert it?
16:19:55 <OliverK|Away> so its unicode
16:20:02 <OliverK|Away> i'm not much good at C++
16:20:23 <OliverK|Away> as for the windows sdk, i could grab it while i'm at my college
16:20:40 <JohnTHaller> I have it, just don't have all the headers. Adding them now
16:20:47 <OliverK|Away> k
16:20:53 <OliverK|Away> you have my email, right?
16:21:16 <Gringoloco> I got it converted, just probably still need fiddling
16:21:58 <JohnTHaller> want to send me the file converted and I'll give it a shot now?
16:22:44 <Gringoloco> Wait will send EmbeddedLists.cpp to pastebin in a bit. Just will give it a once look over
16:30:06 <JohnTHaller> Missing files and unresolved externals. I don't think embeddedlists includes all source code or all details needed for compilation
16:31:25 <JohnTHaller> Or I think it compiles on VC++ 6 only, which I don't think I can get
16:31:50 <Gringoloco> Ok, will make a package and send the link
16:32:59 <Gringoloco> We could try to compile it this way once, but it's bount to get messy as it always take some fiddling to get it right
16:33:29 <JohnTHaller> I think it require an old Windows Platform SDK that is incompatible with Win7 as well. Messy indeed.
16:38:30 <Gringoloco> http://www.mediafire.com/?ywjmzqinwnd
16:38:56 <Gringoloco> That wa easy enough on my internet conection, 35 KB, only e few minutes
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16:42:27 <JohnTHaller> i hate mediafire
16:43:59 <Gringoloco> Sorry...
16:44:09 <JohnTHaller> still can't download it
16:44:24 <JohnTHaller> I took me 15 minutes to get NSIS Unicode when I needed it
16:46:19 <Gringoloco> Why,
16:46:44 <Gringoloco> Cause of the adds
16:46:50 <JohnTHaller> Because the site is crazy unreliable. Blank pages, errors. Showing "We have no server available with the resource requested, try again"
16:47:33 <JohnTHaller> 1>.\EmbeddedLists.rc(10) : fatal error RC1015: cannot open include file 'afxres.h'.
16:47:41 <JohnTHaller> Same exact thing I encountered.
16:47:42 <Gringoloco> I do not experience those issues over here, just some adds
16:47:59 <JohnTHaller> It needs a version of the Microsoft Foundation Classes that is not included in the current Platform SDK
16:48:51 <Gringoloco> Guess we have to wait for AfroUK, I could try to contact him for the specific files
16:49:54 <JohnTHaller> Ahm wont work with VC Express. Requires professional
16:50:45 <Gringoloco> I've got a file with that name in MinGW, it's a basic file which doesn't include much code.
16:51:14 <Gringoloco> Wanna give it a try, I'll send that one on pastebin
16:51:30 <JohnTHaller> K
16:53:20 <Gringoloco> http://pastebin.com/ZQZiY2w2
16:55:06 <JohnTHaller> 1>EmbeddedLists.obj : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol __imp__ImageList_ReplaceIcon@12 referenced in function "struct _IMAGELIST * __cdecl GetIcons(void)" (?GetIcons@@YAPAU_IMAGELIST@@XZ)
16:55:15 <JohnTHaller> 3 of those errors. I think it needs MC
16:55:17 <JohnTHaller> MFC
16:56:04 <Gringoloco> What's MFC ?
16:56:16 <JohnTHaller> Microsoft Foundation Classes.
16:57:00 <Gringoloco> Probably, came across that before, don't you have to pay for them ?
16:58:11 <JohnTHaller> It's part of VC++ Pro
16:58:33 <JohnTHaller> I tried referencing the includes in MinGW (installed the full thing) and no dice
17:04:38 <JohnTHaller> DLing VC++ Pro now
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17:09:23 <sar3th> hello
17:09:45 <sar3th> do you need vc++ help?
17:10:11 <Gringoloco1> Yes
17:10:42 <Gringoloco1> We need somebody who owns VC++ pro
17:11:03 <sar3th> i have it here, through my university
17:11:39 <sar3th> it is visual c++ 2008
17:11:45 <sar3th> professional
17:12:46 <Gringoloco1> http://www.mediafire.com/?ywjmzqinwnd
17:13:11 <Gringoloco1> Try this package, it's the embeddedlist nsis plugin !
17:16:14 <Gringoloco1> Please have a look if you can compile it,I am back in 10 minutes
17:16:22 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, it needs the MFC which isn't part of VC++ Express. I have a VC++ Pro license somewhere but haven't installed it yet.
17:18:11 <sar3th> it requires nsis sdk...i'm installing that now
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17:23:28 <sar3th> remind me, where can i find pluginapi.h/pluginapi.lib?
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17:30:02 <sar3th> okay, i found it in my local nsis installation; i was able to compile exdll
17:30:06 <JohnTHaller> Download 2,45 source from here: http://www.scratchpaper.com/home/downloads
17:30:14 <JohnTHaller> Don't comple against NSIS standard
17:30:19 <JohnTHaller> It
17:30:20 <Gringoloco1> http://www.scratchpaper.com/home/downloads
17:30:26 <JohnTHaller> It's in Contrib\ExDLL
17:31:00 <Gringoloco1> But I did include 'ExDll', I thought that would do it?
17:31:10 <sar3th> nsis-2.45.1-Unicode-src.zip?
17:31:20 <Gringoloco1> yes
17:33:46 <sar3th> the lib file is not in that source package, can i use the one from nsis-2.45.1-Unicode-setup.exec instead?
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17:34:10 <JohnTHaller> DOwnload that full source file and unzip it
17:34:24 <sar3th> i did
17:34:35 <JohnTHaller> Into there, within the Contrib directory, copy the folder EmbeddedLists from the EmbeddedListsPack. Then
17:34:47 <JohnTHaller> openm EmbeddedLists.vproj and try to compilke
17:34:54 <JohnTHaller> Location matters.
17:35:15 <Gringoloco1> You shouldn't need pluginapi.lib, as I included pluginapi.c (for now)
17:35:33 <JohnTHaller> Just do the exact process I mentioned to ensure no errors.
17:36:50 <sar3th> okay i did exactly that
17:36:57 <sar3th> now it can't find api.h
17:38:54 <Gringoloco1> There are different ways of including the pluginapi stuff, but it should have done the job as it was ?!?!
17:40:53 <Gringoloco1> Do you have the line '#include "..\ExDll\pluginapi.c" ' in EmbeddedLists.cpp
17:40:55 <sar3th> i don't know; i see the line #include api.h in pluginapi.h, but i don't know where that file is situated; i put the EmbeddedLists folder into the Contrip directory of the unzipped source, as told :/
17:42:11 <Gringoloco1> the ExDll folder
17:43:07 <sar3th> i only copied embeddedlists folder, not the exdll folder; should i copy that one as well?
17:43:17 <JohnTHaller> exdll is already there in source
17:44:02 <sar3th> right
17:44:13 <sar3th> in contrib/exdll
17:45:19 <JohnTHaller> Ok, I've gotten to the same point now. Turns out it didn't see the NSIS files on my machine either
17:46:14 <sar3th> the only api.h i found is in souce/exehead
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17:47:59 <Gringoloco1> What about in the package you got from MediaFire, there is the ExDll folder in there !
17:47:59 <Gringoloco1> including api.h
17:48:18 <sar3th> that's why i asked whether i should copy it over
17:48:22 <sar3th> i'm doing that now
17:49:03 <sar3th> okay; now i'm getting lots of linker errors
17:49:08 <JohnTHaller> I manually changed the references to everything. And I'm back to the EXACT same place:
17:49:09 <JohnTHaller> 1>EmbeddedLists.obj : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol __imp__ImageList_ReplaceIcon@12 referenced in function "struct _IMAGELIST * __cdecl GetIcons(void)" (?GetIcons@@YAPAU_IMAGELIST@@XZ)
17:49:14 <JohnTHaller> multiple errors like that
17:49:19 <sar3th> same here
17:50:35 <sar3th> the linker errors are here: http://sar3th.pastebin.com/g9TppKei
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17:51:04 <JohnTHaller> I got it down to just the last 3
17:51:11 <Gringoloco1> I just realized there is 'afxres.h' in the Source\exehead folder, would that be any help
17:51:32 <JohnTHaller> http://sar3th.pastebin.com/qxs1b7AX
17:51:40 <JohnTHaller> I already tried manually pointing to that
17:52:12 <Gringoloco1> It is getting messy...
17:57:05 <Gringoloco1> DO those errors mean, we are missing a .lib
17:57:08 <Gringoloco1> ?
17:59:47 <sar3th> probably yes
18:01:26 <sar3th> as we don't link against any other libs, you are probably right
18:01:34 <JohnTHaller> I think it isn't finding comctl32.lib
18:03:12 <sar3th> well, i think it's not linking against it
18:04:05 <sar3th> i linked against comctl32.lib
18:04:06 <sar3th> http://sar3th.pastebin.com/S1cN44aH
18:04:08 <sar3th> less errors
18:05:12 <Gringoloco1> Hmm, the popint should be pluginapi.lib
18:05:17 <JohnTHaller> Got it
18:05:56 <Gringoloco1> Compiled ?
18:06:11 <JohnTHaller> Project - Properties - set Config to All Configs - Expand Linker. Click Input. In Additional Dependencies, enter: comctl32.lib
18:06:14 <JohnTHaller> Now my brain hurts
18:06:38 <sar3th> that's what i did as well
18:06:44 <JohnTHaller> Yes, it compiled into EmbeddedLists\Debug
18:06:49 <JohnTHaller> back in a bit. late for a call
18:06:55 <sar3th> but i have some unresolved symbols still
18:07:45 <Gringoloco1> did you link to pluginapi.lib ?
18:08:10 <sar3th> i don't think so
18:08:19 <sar3th> checking
18:08:52 <Gringoloco1> I think it's only included in the executable package of Unicode NSIS
18:09:07 <sar3th> yes, i think so as well :/
18:09:13 <sar3th> should i use that one?
18:09:48 <Gringoloco1> \Examples\Plugin\nsis\ folder
18:11:03 <Gringoloco1> Use '#include pluginapi.C' or use the 'pluginapi.lib'
18:15:13 <sar3th> i still get the same errors (using pluginapi.lib)
18:16:15 <Gringoloco1> Click Input. In Additional Dependencies, enter:pluginapi.lib
18:16:55 <sar3th> yes, i did that
18:17:08 <sar3th> then i added the linker path to include pluginapi.lib file
18:17:38 <Gringoloco1> sorry, that was a bit odd, the smily
18:17:54 <Gringoloco1> And still getting the popint errors ?
18:18:36 <Gringoloco1> Did you try copying the .lib to the lib folder of VC++ ?
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18:19:33 <sar3th> that shouldn't make a difference Gringoloco1
18:19:54 <sar3th> the lib file is found and used
18:20:43 <Gringoloco1> But giving the link popint error ?
18:22:16 <sar3th> yes
18:22:23 <sar3th> could it be that the lib is outdated?
18:22:38 <Gringoloco1> And about going back to the start, just only include pluginapi.C
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18:22:47 <Gringoloco1> That really should do the job
18:23:15 <otaku_ichigo> hi
18:23:31 <Gringoloco1> Do you see the line in EmbeddedLists.cpp ?
18:24:06 <sar3th> which line Gringoloco1?
18:24:08 <Gringoloco1> Hi otaku_ichigo
18:24:21 <Gringoloco1> #include "..\ExDll\pluginapi.c"
18:25:09 <Gringoloco1> Can I help you with something otaku_ichigo ?
18:25:34 <otaku_ichigo> I just have a simple question...if i update my suite package should i back-up my bookmarks on firefox portable?
18:26:05 <sar3th> Gringoloco1: yes, that line is there
18:26:18 <Gringoloco1> No, no need, all data settings are beeing kept, this counts for all portable apps
18:26:31 <otaku_ichigo> ok thx
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18:27:56 <Gringoloco1> and the following is commented out:
18:27:57 <Gringoloco1> //#include "..\ExDll\exdll.h"
18:28:05 <sar3th> yes
18:29:01 <Gringoloco1> Should be fine like that...hmmm
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18:30:54 <vf2nsr> I seem to be having issues packaging a portable app not sure where I am going wrong?
18:31:42 <Gringoloco1> We have to wait for john for a bit, and I'll do some invetigating into this..
18:31:52 <vf2nsr> ok tyvm
18:32:08 <vf2nsr> I got the folder and launcher as well as ini files
18:32:29 <vf2nsr> then I try to create paf instller but not all files are brought in
18:36:45 <vf2nsr> GUess will keep at it
18:37:27 <Gringoloco1> @ vf2nsr: any files in Data folder are left,as well as non exe files from the main PA dir exclusive help.html.
18:38:26 <vf2nsr> ok maybe I need to zip it all then create an NSIS installer that excecutes the installation?
18:38:54 <Gringoloco1> @ sar3th: the strangest is thatyou're not getting any errors about pushstring() ?
18:39:34 <sar3th> no, just linker errors Gringoloco1
18:41:44 <vf2nsr> bbl thanks Gringo
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18:41:57 <JohnTHaller> Ok back
18:41:58 <JohnTHaller> Miss anything?
18:42:38 <Gringoloco1> Somehow sar3th is just missing popint()
18:43:01 <JohnTHaller> Odd
18:43:11 <Gringoloco1> All the other NSISCALL's are working for him ?!?!
18:43:22 <JohnTHaller> Somehow, my compiled EmbeddedLists.dll is 367KB
18:43:32 <sar3th> JohnTHaller: debug build maybe?
18:44:04 <JohnTHaller> It is. Dunno how to turn that off :-(
18:44:20 <Gringoloco1> Ah, maybe just do the release
18:45:02 <Gringoloco1> It's in VC++ somewhere , isn't it in some preference setting ?
18:45:09 <sar3th> JohnTHaller: in the menus, there is the configuration manager..should be under the build menu; you can change to release there
18:45:53 <JohnTHaller> Ah yes.
18:45:59 <JohnTHaller> And now *I* have the popint errors
18:46:37 <sar3th> :/
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18:47:57 <JohnTHaller> Argh
18:48:40 <Gringoloco1> And...EmbeddedLists.cpp doesn't even use the popint() NSISCALL
18:49:22 <JohnTHaller> what library is popint() in windows wise?
18:50:06 <Gringoloco1> Maybe we could try switching to using only the pluginapi.lib
18:50:27 <Gringoloco1> popint() is in that lib !
18:50:48 <Gringoloco1> Wait a sec
18:51:30 <Gringoloco1> If you could copy folder 'UnicodeNSISPortable\App\NSIS\Examples\Plugin\nsis\'
18:51:45 <Gringoloco1> to the include folder of VC++ !
18:52:24 <Gringoloco1> //#include "..\ExDll\pluginapi.c"
18:53:04 <Gringoloco1> comment out the above line in EmbeddedLists.cpp
18:53:40 <sar3th> okay
18:53:52 <Gringoloco1> and re-set the following:
18:53:56 <Gringoloco1> #include "..\ExDll\exdll.h"
18:54:06 <Gringoloco1> see if that would help ?
18:55:07 <Gringoloco1> BTW: can anybody tell me if I would really need VC++ pro, or would express do the job.
18:55:32 <Gringoloco1> cause it's really getting messy, and I could do express over the weekend
18:55:39 <sar3th> that leads to more linker errors for me Gringoloco1
18:55:43 <JohnTHaller> Exspress works
18:56:29 <Gringoloco1> Which errors sar3th ?
18:57:05 <sar3th> http://sar3th.pastebin.com/2Y1iBzTJ
18:59:01 <Gringoloco1> Looks more healthy,as these are the actual calls the script is making, but somehow you're not linking to pluginapi.lib propperly
18:59:32 <JohnTHaller> Yeah. Even if I move it into an included directory and specifically add it to Additional Dependencies. It fails.
19:00:01 <sar3th> could it be pluginapi.lib is produced with a wrong compiler?
19:01:00 <Gringoloco1> I'm happy to know that it compiles with express, really even if we could get it to compile. The script still would need fiddling, testing and fiddling again..So lets be patient and wait for weekend !
19:01:16 <sar3th> ok
19:01:32 <Gringoloco1> Normally pluginapi works, but I read about other people complaining about it.
19:01:33 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, can't get it linking... need to move on for now. Other works to do.
19:01:39 <JohnTHaller> be back later :)
19:01:45 <sar3th> you can always ask me to try things when i'm around Gringoloco1 :)
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19:01:48 <sar3th> see ya JohnTHaller|away :)
19:01:52 <Gringoloco1> So they just use pluginapi.c, and leave out the .lib
19:02:49 <sar3th> same errors as before Gringoloco1
19:04:20 <Gringoloco1> In the weekend I will have use of vc++ express, John first was worried that it would need pro!
19:04:55 <sar3th> do you want me to try it with express Gringoloco1? i have another box setup with it
19:04:58 <Gringoloco1> So thanx anyway, if I got any issues over the weekend about it I will start a forum topic to let you know !
19:06:49 <Gringoloco1> You could try, but even if you get it to compile, it would be very awkward for me to test it , and modifying the script, to test again !
19:06:53 <Gringoloco1> One thing...
19:08:21 <Gringoloco1> Isn't there a specific option for linking, instead of Additional Dependencies
19:08:29 <Gringoloco1> To add pluginapi.lib...
19:08:45 <sar3th> no, as far as i know, that option does exactly that
19:09:06 <sar3th> Additional Dependancies is a property of the linker configuration, you know ;)+
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19:11:57 <vf2nsr> After I portabalize a java package I want to create an installer? So I zip everything, then create exe with NSIS then format it with paf installer so how do I launcher the nsis.exe file to actually get it to install?
19:12:13 <Gringoloco1> Thanx sar3th, I really do not understand what the issue is, and I'm not really able to immagine the options in vc++. I will look at it in the weekend.
19:12:31 <vf2nsr> and then have it remove the nsis installer?
19:13:21 <sar3th> Gringoloco1: it might help if you can explain me how pluginapi.lib is compiled
19:14:15 <Gringoloco1> I'm not sure, but it act the same as pluginapi.c, if that's any help
19:14:53 <sar3th> not really :/
19:15:16 <sar3th> could it be it's pluginapi.c compiled as a static library?
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19:20:23 <Gringoloco1> it could be, but I don't think I'm the one to be asked that question.
19:21:10 <Gringoloco1> I'm still just a beginner with C++
19:21:55 <sar3th> ok
19:22:10 <sar3th> are the missing functions in pluginapi.c?
19:23:29 <Gringoloco1> Have a look, it includes all the pop & push for string & integers.
19:23:59 <sar3th> the strange thing is that the functions are missing even though the file is included
19:25:28 <Gringoloco1> Remember we done it in 2 different ways:
19:26:04 <Gringoloco1> First we included pluginapi.c,
19:26:09 <Gringoloco1> but you had popint not linking????
19:26:30 <Gringoloco1> While popint() isn't used by EmbeddedLists.cpp
19:27:08 <Gringoloco1> And second, we didn't include pluginapi.c, but tried using pluginapi.lib
19:27:43 <Gringoloco1> but some how, we didn't link it in the propper way !
19:28:46 <Gringoloco1> pluginapi.c or pluginapi.lib, are doing exactly the same thing ! They both include the pop's & push's, etc...
19:29:03 <sar3th> nono, we linked it properly, but the file is not compiled properly i think
19:29:14 <sar3th> eG, it is built with MinGW instead of MSVC
19:29:22 <Gringoloco1> It allways worked for me
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19:30:01 <Gringoloco1> Maybe that could be an issue, MinGW is what I mainly use.
19:30:28 <Gringoloco1> But still, we should be able to compile without linking to the .lib !
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19:31:11 <sar3th> yeah, it should be possible..:/
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19:32:10 <Gringoloco1> Try to do that again, and make sure all the links to pluginapi.lib are removed !
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19:34:14 <sar3th> actually, we should include the .h file and link against the lib file i think...
19:37:03 <Gringoloco1> but pluginapi.h gets included automaticly, either way !
19:37:15 <Gringoloco1> by exdll.h or pluginapi.c
19:38:05 <Gringoloco1> @ vf2nsr: how are you getting on with your installer ?
19:38:25 <vf2nsr> not well can 7zip create an exe file?
19:38:31 <vf2nsr> self extracting?
19:41:14 <vf2nsr> just answereed my own question I kept looking think I found answer
19:42:06 <Gringoloco1> @ vf2nsr: Apperently so, but there is no need to zip your app, as portableapp.comInstaller should pack everything for you !
19:42:40 <vf2nsr> it does not include all the files like the jar and graphic files
19:43:03 <vf2nsr> it is only grabbing the exe file
19:43:07 <Gringoloco1> vf2nsr: in what folder are you keeping them ?
19:43:47 <vf2nsr> do you mean what folder?
19:43:56 <vf2nsr> as in they are in a sepoerate folder
19:44:04 <vf2nsr> should they be in the app folder?
19:45:33 <Gringoloco1> YES
19:45:48 <vf2nsr> ok let me try that then
19:46:09 <sar3th> vf2nsr: you need to package your application just the way you want it to be wehn you install it, then run the installer
19:46:24 <sar3th> and select that folder
19:47:06 <vf2nsr> I tried but the launcher was the only thing that was picked up and copied to paf form the rest of the folders were not let me tinker some more I guess
19:47:56 <Gringoloco1> http://portableapps.com/development/portableapps.com_format
19:49:28 <Gringoloco1> vf2nsr: have a look at the above link, that's basically the format the installer expects
19:49:48 <Gringoloco1> sar3th: Any luck
19:50:45 <vf2nsr> kk ty
19:52:31 <vf2nsr> bbiab
19:52:32 <Gringoloco1> @ sar3th: Any luck, with compiling
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19:53:21 <sar3th> not really :/
19:54:30 <Gringoloco1> I got to go, let me know on Unicode NSIS development forum topic, if you get any more luck
19:56:36 <sar3th> yes
19:56:55 <sar3th> Gringoloco1: you can use .tell sar3th something to send me messages on irc if i'm not online
19:59:03 <Gringoloco1> ok
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20:14:37 <vf2nsr> In using the PA launcher for a java based program should the programexecutable point to the jar program or the launcher?
20:15:32 <JohnTHaller|away> I'd suggest posting a note in the launcher topic. I don't think use with Java apps is quite finalized yet. Beta 2 is due out today.
20:16:17 <vf2nsr> ok johnn I ws using at Chris's recommendation last night will get the beta 2 is it now available?
20:16:35 <JohnTHaller|away> Beta 2 is due out today... meaning it's not out yet
20:16:43 <vf2nsr> oh ok sorry
20:16:48 <vf2nsr> tyvm
20:17:02 <JohnTHaller|away> Sorry I can't help more. I don't know how it handles Java yet
20:17:13 <JohnTHaller|away> There are initial recommendations in help.html
20:17:32 <vf2nsr> yes I reading them but still a bit confuddled :)
20:18:05 <vf2nsr> bbl
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23:18:21 <vf2nsr> in an ini file is it the * that signifies a comment tha5t is not read?
23:18:32 <vf2nsr> tha5t=that
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23:20:59 <JohnTHaller|gym> use a semicolon
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23:23:24 <vf2nsr> k tyvm
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