IRC Log from 2010-03-26

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00:14:17 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com developer and moderator and works on the PortableApps.com Launcher (please test it!)
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00:29:24 <Gringoloco> Hello, there
00:29:28 <ChrisMorgan> Hey Gringoloco
00:29:47 <ChrisMorgan> Not entirely happy about your patch for ProcFunc. None of it feels right.
00:30:09 <ChrisMorgan> The W on the end should be the default in Unicode NSIS. Removing it doesn't seem right
00:30:20 <Gringoloco> It's an odd script, Wraithdu should have a look at it !
00:30:29 <ChrisMorgan> I'm emailing him about it.
00:30:48 <sar3th> hello ChrisMorgan, Gringoloco
00:31:08 <ChrisMorgan> And &m isn't covered in the System plug-in documentation, but assuming it's an array of ANSI characters as m is that. So in NSIS it'd be using an array of WCHARs and in Unicode NSIS it'd be using ANSI CHARs? Doesn't seem at all right.
00:31:17 <Gringoloco> Good, I know it doesn't seem right, but it was the onlyway I got it to work
00:31:33 <Gringoloco> Yes ANSI, odd isn't it !
00:31:59 <Gringoloco> But it is even as odd, that wraightdu's script is using w ???
00:32:02 <ChrisMorgan> When integrating it I did think about forwards compatibility with Unicode NSIS and decided it should be fine.
00:32:26 <ChrisMorgan> Not really, it may need to cope with Unicode process names without going splurk.
00:33:47 <Gringoloco> This is why I said it's temporarily, Wraightdu should do it, as he wrote it !
00:34:32 <Gringoloco> But at least the patch is better than nothing !
00:34:39 <ChrisMorgan> I'm not sure about that.
00:34:52 <ChrisMorgan> I'm going to leave it off until Erik says something I think.
00:34:58 <ChrisMorgan> With a cave.
00:38:06 <ChrisMorgan> Now I want to see if this privilege escalation is working any better than it did on my Server 2003 VM: admin didn't need to elevate, as guest it reported the logon service wasn't running.
00:38:07 <Scriptdaemon> ChrisMorgan, in the examples you gave me the other day for language switching, is SUBLANG_ also supported?
00:38:15 <ChrisMorgan> SUBLANG_?
00:38:37 <Scriptdaemon> To differentiate traditional and simplified chinese, etc.
00:38:52 <ChrisMorgan> It's entirely dependant on the environment variable you use.
00:39:10 <ChrisMorgan> Compare the values with those in the PortableApps.com Platform locales.
00:39:20 <Scriptdaemon> K.
00:39:28 <ChrisMorgan> That'd be LANG_TRADCHINESE and LANG_SIMPCHINESE for WinName I think
00:39:34 <Scriptdaemon> Ah.
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00:43:34 <sar3th> privilege escalation sounds like you are hacking some machine :/
00:44:02 <ChrisMorgan> Oooh... here on XP it's seeming to work!
00:44:16 <ChrisMorgan> Popping up the "Run As" window :-)
00:44:21 <Scriptdaemon> Anyone know what the LANG_* name for Norwegian (Nynorsk) is?
00:44:32 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon, get the Platform and take a look at it
00:44:47 <ChrisMorgan> App\Locales\Norwegian.locale
00:44:54 <ChrisMorgan> LANG_NORWEGIAN in this case
00:44:59 <Scriptdaemon> That's the regular Norwegian.
00:45:06 <Scriptdaemon> There's more than one.
00:45:14 <ChrisMorgan> There's not in the Platform.
00:45:35 <Scriptdaemon> So then it would be supported if the app itself supports it?
00:45:49 <Scriptdaemon> wouldn't*
00:46:09 <ChrisMorgan> You wouldn't be able to switch to it automatically from the launcher.
00:46:20 <Scriptdaemon> Ah.
00:46:38 <Scriptdaemon> Alright then.
00:46:42 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon, you should try Revo Uninstaller Portable with hg tip, I think I've fixed your RunAsAdmin problem.
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00:46:59 <ChrisMorgan> Incidentally, force is what you'll want.
00:47:27 <ChrisMorgan> If you run as other than admin, "ERROR" "You are not an Administrator!"
00:47:33 <ChrisMorgan> I got that on 2003 and XP.
00:47:41 <Scriptdaemon> Even with "try?"
00:47:57 <Scriptdaemon> Or are you still working on that?
00:48:12 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon: it tries to authenticate but if you say "no" then it runs as a normal user and Revo Uninstaller produces that error message.
00:48:36 <ChrisMorgan> RunAsAdmin seems to be working perfectly. Just Revo Uninstaller requires admin.
00:49:03 <Scriptdaemon> I could've sworn it loaded before for me. Oh well, awesome.
00:49:10 <Scriptdaemon> without admin*
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00:49:26 <ChrisMorgan> 2003 as Guest and XP as a normal user, it's not running past that error box.
00:50:52 <Scriptdaemon> Was it *because* I was using "try," or is there a fix in the launcher as well?
00:51:24 <ChrisMorgan> It was a matter of not having initialised the $LauncherFile variable yet so it was trying to read [Launch]:RunAsAdmin from the file ""
00:51:33 <Scriptdaemon> Ah.
00:51:48 <ChrisMorgan> Then once I'd fixed that I found I needed to read the app name earlier too, in .onInit rather than Init.
00:53:01 <Scriptdaemon> Glad being the only one needing RunAsAdmin so far has helped with the launcher. =P
00:53:09 <ChrisMorgan> :-)
00:54:53 <Scriptdaemon> That should do it. I believe I'm done with the language settings too.
00:55:05 <ChrisMorgan> Good :-)
00:55:43 <Scriptdaemon> Did you find out if %PortableApps.comLocaleWinName:~5% would work if used in the file?
00:56:01 <ChrisMorgan> Haven't tested it yet.
00:56:09 <ChrisMorgan> At 2.0 John says he's putting in a new variable anyway.
00:56:34 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: what will this new, sans-LANG_ variable be called? I could implement it quickly now if you've decided what to call it.
00:58:20 <ChrisMorgan> Implemented, now I just need a name for it.
00:59:55 <ChrisMorgan> Eek! What have I been doing PAL:(Documents|Pictures|Music|Videos)Dir for!? Why aren't I using the PortableApps.com* variable?
01:00:04 <ChrisMorgan> Backwards compatible change coming...
01:00:08 <sar3th> evil you!
01:00:26 <ChrisMorgan> I read from the write one and right to the rong one :-/
01:01:50 <Scriptdaemon> I wonder if Revo Uninstaller Portable (their build) already uses upx...
01:02:05 <ChrisMorgan> I don't know. You can check it with UPX.
01:02:16 <Scriptdaemon> I'd probably need to ask for extra permission to do that if it's not, huh?
01:02:28 <ChrisMorgan> Just test the file with UPX and it'll tell you "Error: file is not compressed blah blah blah"
01:02:31 <Scriptdaemon> Since I only asked initially to bundle it.
01:02:32 <ChrisMorgan> Or "OK"
01:02:41 <ChrisMorgan> Ask for more permissions then.
01:02:52 <ChrisMorgan> You may as well test it first though.
01:03:08 <ChrisMorgan> Easiest way: try compressing it, if smaller it's better and so ask.
01:03:32 <Scriptdaemon> Yeah. Plus, I'll be able to give them an update. They didn't say whether they wanted to host it or not if it goes official, so I'll ask again about that.
01:03:47 <ChrisMorgan> It's looking good to me.
01:03:56 <ChrisMorgan> Once I've got /my/ bugs ironed out.
01:04:33 <Scriptdaemon> I need to fix the icons though (it has some extra formats in their >.>) but that's the only problem other than UPXing as far as I know.
01:04:37 <Scriptdaemon> there*
01:04:43 <ChrisMorgan> And you don't need ExtractIcon.
01:04:50 <ChrisMorgan> You have permission to redistribute it so it's OK.
01:05:11 <Scriptdaemon> Ah, k.
01:06:20 <Scriptdaemon> I'm going to start on Blood Frontier Portable after spring break.
01:06:36 <OliverK> ooh
01:06:39 <OliverK> freeware?
01:06:44 <OliverK> or opensource?
01:06:50 <Scriptdaemon> Nope. Open Source. :)
01:07:00 <Scriptdaemon> It's in beta though, but it was nice when I played with it
01:07:17 <OliverK> win
01:07:53 <Scriptdaemon> Honestly, I'd like to see more of the bigger open source games go official. I think it'd help PA.c a lot.
01:08:08 <OliverK> heh
01:08:12 <OliverK> probably
01:10:00 <sar3th> i will do tankbobs once we get it to work on windows :D
01:10:18 <OliverK> tankbobs?
01:11:46 <Scriptdaemon> Someone requested Space Invaders OpenGL in the request forum a little while ago that I wanted to do, but then I saw that it would occasionally need a particular file to be placed in the system folder.
01:12:00 <ChrisMorgan> What?
01:12:38 <Scriptdaemon> "If you experience an error message about msvcr70.dll please extract and put this file in windows/system32 for win 2000/XP or windows/system for win 98/ME."
01:13:07 <ChrisMorgan> Put it in the app directory, it should always work.
01:13:12 <OliverK> yeah
01:13:15 <OliverK> . . . .
01:13:23 <OliverK> silly space invaders :p
01:13:32 <ChrisMorgan> They should distribute it with their application.
01:13:33 <OliverK> they can invade space but not my computer! :p
01:13:39 <ChrisMorgan> It's a redistributable, they're allowed to.
01:13:53 <OliverK> maybe their host doesn't like it . . .
01:14:02 <OliverK> i know sf has special rules about that
01:14:03 <ChrisMorgan> Legally I believe it's fine.
01:14:07 <Scriptdaemon> Ah, good then. That's on my list now too.
01:14:08 <ChrisMorgan> I don't believe so.
01:14:22 <ChrisMorgan> We distribute it in at least a few of our packages.
01:14:30 <OliverK> yeah
01:14:32 <ChrisMorgan> So SourceForge had better not complain :P
01:14:38 <OliverK> sf has a special rule allowing it
01:14:43 <OliverK> i'm not stupid chris
01:14:50 <ChrisMorgan> Ah
01:15:01 <OliverK> its the only exception to requiring source
01:15:11 <OliverK> everything else you have to put the source up
01:17:03 <sar3th> do you even know what that file is? :P
01:18:03 <ChrisMorgan> Microsoft Visual C Runtime 7.0 (2003, I think)
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01:19:38 <sar3th> yup
01:20:13 <OliverK> excid3|asus!
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01:27:46 <ChrisMorgan> Something good (or bad) about hg: you can commit a dozen revisions and no-one sees anything until... hg push: *whoosh*
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01:30:13 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller, are you there at all?
01:31:07 <JohnTHaller> back
01:31:09 <JohnTHaller> miss anything?
01:31:13 <ChrisMorgan> You said you were going to offer a version of PortableApps.comLocaleWinName minus the first five characters; what will it be called? I want to put it in PAL now so it's useful already and ready for later, but make sure I get the right name.
01:33:08 <JohnTHaller> LocaleName in the Locale files... so PortableApps.comLocaleName
01:33:16 <ChrisMorgan> Okey dokey.
01:33:21 <ChrisMorgan> That's what I'd put in :D
01:33:22 <JohnTHaller> Debating upper, lower or mixed case (ala NSIS) at the moment
01:33:39 <Scriptdaemon> Aaand adjusted Revo Uninstaller's launcher .ini.
01:34:01 <ChrisMorgan> I'd say it doesn't tend to matter. File checks are case-insensitive, very few things are case sensitive.
01:34:08 <ChrisMorgan> Mixed case would be neater though.
01:34:22 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, I kinda prefer mixed, myself
01:34:26 <ChrisMorgan> And dialects could be in capitals like PortugueseBR
01:34:36 <JohnTHaller> PortugueseBR, SimpChinese, etc
01:34:42 <ChrisMorgan> Yep
01:34:55 <JohnTHaller> We'll go by the way they are in Unicode NSIS for the ones we add.
01:35:11 <ChrisMorgan> My forwards-compatibility and PAP-free operation will do it upper case though.
01:35:17 <Scriptdaemon> Does this at all affect LanguageStrings?
01:35:28 <ChrisMorgan> Making mixed-case versions would require a big table which is pointless.
01:35:34 <JohnTHaller> Yeah
01:36:38 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon, it just means that if you're using hg tip you can now use a Base of %PortableApps.comLocaleName% and you don't need to worry about the LANG_ at the start.
01:36:51 <ChrisMorgan> So there's no need to try %PortableApps.comLocaleWinName:~5% any more
01:36:58 <Scriptdaemon> No, I mean the case related stuff you're talking about.
01:37:11 <ChrisMorgan> Ah. There shouldn't be any need to change anything.
01:37:15 <Scriptdaemon> K.
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01:41:30 <Scriptdaemon> Oh, btw. The file I mentioned earlier for Space Invader OpenGL, they actually link to Sourceforge to download it. So I don't know why they don't include it themselves.
01:41:46 <ChrisMorgan> What, MSVCR70.dll?
01:41:49 <Scriptdaemon> Yeah.
01:41:50 <ChrisMorgan> How utterly weird.
01:42:18 <dboki89> Is it just me or is there just more and more SPAM appearing recently? SPAM at: http://portableapps.com/node/23120 (check where the links lead to, and you'll see it's spam)
01:42:55 <JohnTHaller> already deleted
01:42:55 <ChrisMorgan> dboki89, I never look at the OT forum and such posts don't appear in the tracker.
01:43:16 <ChrisMorgan> That's why I don't see such things.
01:43:39 <JohnTHaller> OffTopic is kinda a wasteland. Spam will last longer there. there is no benefit to the spammer though as all links are NOFOLLOW.
01:43:50 <dboki89> Ok, Chris, I'm just saying... :) @JTH - that was fast! :) Keep up the good work guys :)
01:44:10 <ChrisMorgan> ... unless a user happens to choose to click on such a link.
01:44:41 <dboki89> I haven't clicked, but saw where they lead to when pointed with the mouse.. :)
01:45:00 <ChrisMorgan> Whereas I just look and see it's spam...
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01:55:10 <ChrisMorgan> OK, I think I /may/ have sorted out Geoff's issue with FilesMove not coping with ".files". I'll have to test it another time though as I've got to head off to a lecture (then a lab then home so see you Saturday or maybe not until next week)
01:55:35 <ChrisMorgan> vf2nsr, vf2nsr_: need help?
01:56:10 <Scriptdaemon> I just had my last final for the quarter today. :)
01:56:15 <vf2nsr_> Well yes but am working on it just some PA Launcher issues
01:56:25 <ChrisMorgan> I was meaning with your nicks :P
01:56:44 <OliverK|Away> ChrisMorgan: i can get that if needed
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01:57:41 <OliverK|Away> vf2nsr: you know about the ghost command right?
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01:58:24 <OliverK|Away> vf2nsr: you know about ghosting your nick, right?
01:58:37 <vf2nsr> no whay wass that?
01:59:03 <OliverK|Away> i'm assuming your first nick got disconnected some how and you reconnected with the second
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01:59:15 <OliverK|Away> if you ghost it, it'll disconnected the 'dead' connection
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01:59:38 <vf2nsr> ah ok had no idea
01:59:42 <OliverK|Away> i think its /msg nickserv ghost nick password
01:59:46 <vf2nsr> just want to be me :)
01:59:47 <OliverK|Away> or something like that
02:00:03 <OliverK|Away> yup, that's the command :)
02:00:03 <ChrisMorgan> You've got to have registered the nick before you can do it though
02:00:09 <OliverK|Away> this is true
02:00:15 <ChrisMorgan> And the password is only needed if you're not logged in
02:00:17 <ChrisMorgan> Bye
02:00:23 <Scriptdaemon> You can just use /ghost too.
02:00:31 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon, in some clients, not most
02:00:35 <OliverK|Away> Scriptdaemon: depending on teh client
02:00:40 <OliverK|Away> see yah lat ChrisMorgan
02:00:42 <vf2nsr> so anyway having an issue with the portable flash not grabbing the vm correctly
02:00:43 <OliverK|Away> later*
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02:01:02 <vf2nsr> not sure what I am doing wrong
02:01:53 <vf2nsr> and if I try to manually start vm get error message
02:02:02 <OliverK|Away> you mean java vm
02:02:18 <vf2nsr> correct
02:02:30 <OliverK|Away> i don't use java apps
02:02:31 <OliverK|Away> :p
02:02:38 <OliverK|Away> and I don't use PAL. SHoulda asked chris
02:02:42 <OliverK|Away> tell you what though
02:02:50 <OliverK|Away> register in the forums and make a post on it
02:03:04 <vf2nsr> gues not many do? I picked up a blackjack card game in java have permission to pplay around with it
02:03:05 <OliverK|Away> include the configuration ini and what you're trying to configure it for
02:03:25 <vf2nsr> portabalized it and it appears to work but doies not launch the jvm so graphics are askew
02:03:38 <OliverK|Away> java i don't like from having to use it on blackboard with my college
02:04:12 <vf2nsr> and when I use the java portable launch feature for a .jar same results
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02:04:44 <OliverK|Away> again, make a post. I'm not sure I can help you
02:05:14 <vf2nsr> well actually have done so as a alpha/developmental release
02:05:33 <vf2nsr> but still picking away at it to try to get it resolved myself
02:05:43 <vf2nsr> it works great on local machine
02:05:51 <vf2nsr> just not on PA
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02:06:45 <vf2nsr> perhaps I need to add a -classpath.....anyway thanks
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02:09:22 <Scriptdaemon> Wow, that Space Invaders game is pretty cool. Shame that development on it has pretty much stopped.
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02:10:42 <sar3th> i've been working a lot with the main tankbobs developer, and i'm eager to finally play it once ;)
02:11:03 <OliverK|Away> sar3th is a susian, right?
02:11:03 <sar3th> can you imagine trying to compile it for 1 month but still not having played it? :/
02:11:09 <OliverK|Away> nope
02:12:06 <sar3th> it's very frustrating, once you think "it must work now", something else randomly appears and keeps it from working :/
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02:32:04 <vf2nsr> bbl need to reboot computer
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03:07:33 <JohnTHaller> back. sick, but made it to the gym for 5 minutes to continue the streak.
03:07:54 <OliverK> sick?
03:08:01 <OliverK> not good, al :p
03:08:18 <JohnTHaller> nasty cold. shouldn't be at the gym. so just went a little to keep my streak up
03:08:28 <OliverK> hehe
03:08:38 <OliverK> .t utc
03:08:38 <GizmoBot> Fri, 26 Mar 2010 03:09:43
03:08:44 <OliverK> 3 in the morning!?
03:08:53 <JohnTHaller> Hey, it's worth keeping. Even though I feel nasty now. no 11pm here
03:16:41 <sar3th> 4 am here :/
03:16:49 <OliverK> bed time :p
03:16:51 <Scriptdaemon> JohnTHaller, go to bed?
03:17:00 <OliverK> Scriptdaemon: I was going to say that :p
03:17:01 <JohnTHaller> soonish
03:17:10 <OliverK> i just couldn't figure out how to
03:17:17 <OliverK> i've already told him that recently
03:17:20 <OliverK> muhahaha
03:17:25 <JohnTHaller> sudo go to bed?
03:17:37 <OliverK> zonk
03:17:41 <Scriptdaemon> Win.
03:17:46 <OliverK> *snore* *snore* *snore*
03:18:10 <OliverK> ah, if life was only that easy
03:18:54 <OliverK> look i'm sleep talking!
03:19:12 <OliverK> This ends your regularly scheduled randomness (as if :P)
03:19:42 <Scriptdaemon> You need sleep too.
03:19:48 <OliverK> hehe
03:19:52 <OliverK> nah, i'm always like tihs
03:19:56 <OliverK> .t OliverK
03:19:56 <GizmoBot> Thu, 25 Mar 2010 22:21:01 CDT
03:19:58 <OliverK> :)
03:20:10 <OliverK> i woke up at like 9:30
03:20:16 <OliverK> i've only been up for 13 hours
03:21:14 <sar3th> .t
03:21:15 <GizmoBot> Fri, 26 Mar 2010 04:22:20 MEZ
03:21:15 <sar3th> >_>
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03:21:24 <sar3th> up since 10 am
03:21:42 <OliverK> sar3th: only had 8 hours of sleep
03:21:44 <OliverK> i think
03:21:54 <OliverK> its fuzzy
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05:06:56 <OliverK|Away> ChrisMorgan: [21:00] vf2nsr: so anyway having an issue with the portable flash not grabbing the vm correctly
05:06:56 <OliverK|Away> [21:00] OliverK|Away: later*
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05:06:56 <OliverK|Away> [21:01] vf2nsr: not sure what I am doing wrong
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05:06:57 <OliverK|Away> [21:01] vf2nsr: and if I try to manually start vm get error message
05:06:58 <OliverK|Away> [21:02] OliverK|Away: you mean java vm
05:06:58 <OliverK|Away> [21:02] vf2nsr: correct
05:06:59 <OliverK|Away> [21:02] OliverK|Away: i don't use java apps
05:06:59 <OliverK|Away> [21:02] OliverK|Away: :p
05:07:00 <OliverK|Away> [21:02] OliverK|Away: and I don't use PAL. SHoulda asked chris
05:07:00 <OliverK|Away> [21:02] OliverK|Away: tell you what though
05:07:01 <OliverK|Away> [21:02] OliverK|Away: register in the forums and make a post on it
05:07:01 <OliverK|Away> [21:03] vf2nsr: gues not many do? I picked up a blackjack card game in java have permission to pplay around with it
05:07:02 <OliverK|Away> [21:03] OliverK|Away: include the configuration ini and what you're trying to configure it for
05:07:02 <OliverK|Away> [21:03] vf2nsr: portabalized it and it appears to work but doies not launch the jvm so graphics are askew
05:07:03 <OliverK|Away> [21:03] OliverK|Away: java i don't like from having to use it on blackboard with my college
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05:07:04 <OliverK|Away> [21:04] vf2nsr: and when I use the java portable launch feature for a .jar same results
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05:07:05 <OliverK|Away> [21:04] OliverK|Away: again, make a post. I'm not sure I can help you
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05:07:06 <OliverK|Away> [21:05] vf2nsr: well actually have done so as a alpha/developmental release
05:07:06 <OliverK|Away> [21:05] vf2nsr: but still picking away at it to try to get it resolved myself
05:07:07 <OliverK|Away> [21:05] vf2nsr: it works great on local machine
05:07:07 <OliverK|Away> [21:05] vf2nsr: just not on PA
05:07:10 <ChrisMorgan> Eep...
05:07:15 <OliverK|Away> sorry for the blast
05:07:29 <ChrisMorgan> I was just looking at the logs
05:07:29 <OliverK|Away> vf2nsr has been coming in frequently asking about that
05:07:32 <OliverK|Away> ah
05:07:33 <OliverK|Away> sorry
05:09:07 <ChrisMorgan> My advice to him is to read the notes on Java at the bottom of help.html. They cover it fairly well.
05:09:21 <OliverK|Away> heh
05:09:35 <OliverK|Away> leave a .tell i guess
05:09:38 <OliverK|Away> i'll forget
05:26:23 <sar3th> GizmoBot: tell vf2nsr to "read the notes on Java at the bottom of help.html."
05:26:56 <sar3th> .tell vf2nsr to "read the notes on Java at the bottom of help.html."
05:26:56 <GizmoBot> sar3th: I'll pass that on when vf2nsr is around.
05:27:00 <sar3th> thanks GizmoBot
05:27:00 <GizmoBot> You're Welcome sar3th
05:44:42 <ChrisMorgan> Anyone want to test my new Qt cache key cleanup section in PAL?
05:45:17 <OliverK|Away> nope
05:45:21 <OliverK|Away> i want to go to bed :p
05:45:24 <OliverK|Away> night
05:45:27 <ChrisMorgan> Didn't think you would :P
05:45:30 <OliverK|Away> hehe
05:45:33 <ChrisMorgan> Whether you were going to bed or not :-)
05:45:33 <OliverK|Away> its 12:30
05:45:38 <ChrisMorgan> G'nite
05:45:43 <OliverK|Away> i wanted to go to sleep 2 hours
05:45:45 <OliverK|Away> ago
05:45:49 <OliverK|Away> good enough excuse for me :p
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05:46:06 <sar3th> qt cache cleanup? what's it do?
05:46:22 <ChrisMorgan> Cleans up the cache keys
05:46:43 <ChrisMorgan> e.g. to get rid of HKCU\Software\Trolltech\OrganizationDefaults\Qt Factory Cache 4.6\com.trolltech.Qt.QImageIOHandlerFactoryInterface:\X:\PortableApps\AppNamePortable\App\AppName\whatever
05:47:02 <ChrisMorgan> 1=Qt Factory Cache 4.6\com.trolltech.Qt.QImageIOHandlerFactoryInterface:
05:47:34 <ChrisMorgan> That then prunes back that tree (junks the App directory and then deletes down to Trolltech if empty).
05:47:57 <ChrisMorgan> Just a slight modification of the code I whipped up some time ago
05:52:39 <ChrisMorgan> Example: http://portableapps.com/node/23107#comment-145948
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06:21:53 <ChrisMorgan> Bye-ee
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09:32:45 <GizmoBot> sar3th is a dev who likes games by valve very much
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14:23:58 <Gizmokid2005> UPDATED: KVIrc Portable 4r4223 DT11: http://portableapps.com/node/18626
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15:55:15 <hsnopi> hello all. quick question.
15:55:26 <Gizmokid2005> ask away hsnopi
15:55:36 <hsnopi> http://www.pendriveapps.com/ will the apps there work with PA? or if not will they interfere with PA if I put them on a drive?
15:56:19 <Gizmokid2005> hsnopi: can't really say. I haven't used them, but most of them link back to PortableApps.com
15:56:24 <Gizmokid2005> so I'd say there shouldn't be any issues.
15:57:03 <hsnopi> ok cool, thanks
15:57:09 <hsnopi> :) ttyl
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17:24:13 <Scriptdaemon> I forget, do we use size or size on disk when listing the install size?
17:25:09 <sar3th|trouble> size i think
17:25:42 <Scriptdaemon> K.
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19:03:06 <Simeon> hi all
19:03:16 <OliverK> 'ello
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19:05:39 <Simeon> no one in need for help and no dev here talking about the new launchers...
19:05:53 <OliverK> yeah, pretty amazing, its quiet
19:06:04 <OliverK> but I tend to blabber in my own channel
19:06:32 <OliverK> and I'm doing school work. If I get caught not doing it, i'll get assigned to finishing fixin gthe window I tore out
19:06:48 <Simeon> :)
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19:28:46 <Simeon> hi twinkletoes
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20:04:28 <pa_8170> Since I upgraded to FF 3.6.2 FF alternates between locked up for 10 seconds, then jumps forward then locks up for 30 seconds...
20:05:05 <pa_8170> I get many script not working notices but performance never gets any better
20:06:40 <OliverK|Away> how old is the flash drive and are you running on usb 1.1 or usb 2.0?
20:07:17 <pa_8170> about 6 months
20:07:26 <OliverK|Away> k
20:07:33 <OliverK|Away> standard brand or off name?
20:07:35 <OliverK|Away> and how big
20:07:51 <pa_8170> probably off name
20:07:54 <OliverK|Away> k
20:08:05 <pa_8170> its pretty good sized
20:08:05 <OliverK|Away> you may need to get ahold of a decent stick
20:08:16 <OliverK|Away> yeah, if they're big, the slow way down
20:08:25 <pa_8170> cool, I had wondered about that
20:08:27 <OliverK|Away> i prefer corsair
20:08:45 <pa_8170> thanks, I'll look for one
20:08:46 <OliverK|Away> there's some other tricks you cna do, should be on the firefox portable page
20:08:56 <OliverK|Away> no prob. Kingstons are okay to
20:08:57 <pa_8170> ok, great!
20:09:35 <pa_8170> thanks this is almost aggrivating enough to drive me back to ie, gag!
20:09:48 <OliverK|Away> indeed
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20:13:22 <GizmoBot> sar3th is a dev who likes games by valve very much
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21:47:47 <Scriptdaemon> Well, that's a shame.
21:48:05 <Scriptdaemon> The "portable" build for Speccy isn't actually portable.
21:48:08 <Scriptdaemon> Stupid betas.
21:48:13 <OliverK|Away> nope
21:48:16 <OliverK|Away> i noticed that
21:48:21 <Neoman> hi there
21:48:30 <Neoman> how to create a new profile on FFP
21:48:31 <Neoman> ?
21:48:41 <OliverK|Away> easy
21:48:54 <OliverK|Away> go to X:\PortableApps\FirefoxPortable
21:48:58 <OliverK|Away> and rename the data folder
21:49:07 <OliverK|Away> make a new data folder
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21:49:14 <GizmoBot> sar3th is a dev who likes games by valve very much
21:49:15 <OliverK|Away> and then run FireFoxPortable.xe
21:49:17 <OliverK|Away> :)
21:49:28 <Neoman> wow, thanks OliverK|Away
21:49:34 <OliverK|Away> Neoman: no prob
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21:50:16 <Neoman> do you mind trying something?
21:50:28 <Neoman> http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/photos
21:50:33 <OliverK|Away> please note away status :)
21:50:38 <OliverK|Away> but maybe someone else can help
21:50:59 <Neoman> ok, it's not urgent
21:51:06 <Neoman> thanks again
21:59:08 <sar3th> hello Neoman, do you need anything?
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21:59:25 <Neoman> yes please
21:59:31 <Neoman> http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/photos
21:59:43 <Scriptdaemon> What about it?
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22:00:07 <Neoman> firefox loads all the pages the thumbs and the large version
22:00:35 <Neoman> opera loads only the thumbs and doesn't load the large one till i click on the thumbnail
22:01:04 <sar3th> that is true
22:01:11 <sar3th> at least the opera part
22:01:23 <Scriptdaemon> Firefox doesn't load the lerge version until clicked for me.
22:01:27 <Scriptdaemon> large*
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22:01:42 <Neoman> Scriptdaemon: are you sure?
22:01:50 <Scriptdaemon> I'm sure.
22:02:00 <sar3th> Neoman: i'm checking it in FF now as well
22:02:01 <Neoman> i just created a new profile like OliverK|Away said and it loads it all
22:02:50 <sar3th> ff with default settings
22:02:55 <sar3th> loads all the pictures
22:02:58 <Neoman> when FF loads all the photos, it takes more time loading many photos
22:03:12 <Neoman> sar3th: anyidea how to fix this?
22:03:22 <Scriptdaemon> So you're having the same problem then, sar3th?
22:03:37 <sar3th> i wouldn't call it problem
22:04:16 <Scriptdaemon> I'm on my work computer. Should be default settings, so this is odd.
22:05:22 <Gizmokid2005> FF doesn't load the large one until I click on it in FF either.
22:05:23 <Neoman> Scriptdaemon: do you have any addons installed?
22:05:48 <Neoman> omg, how are you doing it
22:05:50 <Scriptdaemon> I do not.
22:06:07 <Gizmokid2005> Neoman: it just works for me.
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22:07:32 <Neoman> so .. can you figure out how?
22:07:37 <Neoman> it's just weird!
22:07:49 <Neoman> i created a new profile and i guess that
22:07:59 <Neoman> that's the default setting!
22:08:03 <OliverK|Away> guide him to copy out bookmarks and stuff :)
22:08:14 <OliverK|Away> that's why i had you rename the folder and not delete it :)
22:08:16 <OliverK|Away> laters
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22:09:01 <sar3th> i need to note, i was on a /fresh/ profile as well, no settings changed at all
22:09:30 <Scriptdaemon> Same as sar3th, as far as I know.
22:09:58 <Neoman> lol, thanks oliver
22:11:54 <Neoman> so it's a dead end for me?
22:13:16 <sar3th> probably, i don't really know
22:13:42 <sar3th> i'm not a ff exper
22:13:45 <sar3th> *expert
22:14:28 <Neoman> I'll try the firefox forums
22:14:33 <Neoman> Thanks guys
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23:19:38 <JohnTHaller> hola
23:30:04 <sar3th> hello JohnTHaller :)
23:30:10 <JohnTHaller> how goes it?
23:30:43 <sar3th> fine, thanks
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23:31:56 <Simeon> hi all
23:32:03 <sar3th> hello Simeon
23:32:06 <JohnTHaller> The PA.c Menu is now building in Unicode :-)
23:32:10 <Simeon> cool
23:32:12 <sar3th> cool
23:32:17 <Simeon> HI Sar3th
23:32:19 <JohnTHaller> As of just 7 minutes ago :-)
23:32:32 <sar3th> very nice :)
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23:33:06 <JohnTHaller> http://portableapps.com/temp/unicodemenu.png
23:33:18 <Simeon> Too bad I cant be here when the devs are - but timezones are in the way. Reading the logs if fun though!
23:33:22 <JohnTHaller> That's on my English Windows 7 with legacy language (Ansi) set to English.
23:33:48 <Simeon> looks good
23:33:52 <sar3th> :)
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23:35:58 <JohnTHaller> Got Vietnamese and Serbian (Cyrillic) working properly in it, both of which are langs we can't currently display at all in the current menu
23:37:35 <Simeon> nice. I just tried russion in the old menu and it displays letters I've never had to use before :)
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23:39:05 <JohnTHaller> it'll only work if your codepage (Ansi/legacy) is set to russian in windows
23:39:33 <Simeon> I know. I didnt expect it to work.
23:40:04 <JohnTHaller> I'm pretty psyched. The quick conversion took like 15 minutes once I had Delphi 2010 up and running.
23:40:40 <Simeon> WOW Thats fast.
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23:41:08 <JohnTHaller> Bunch of find/replace. Then just needed to recode two functions that get details from files.
23:41:41 <Simeon> thats cool although it doesnt concern me. ONe question: If we go 2.0 and even the splash screen get ajustments, is there any chance you can get the new drupal translation system up and running? Or are we still waiting for the plugin?
23:42:17 <JohnTHaller> I'm already working on it. I'm in the process of switching the whole app directory over to a database-based one.
23:42:25 <sar3th> JohnTHaller: i've done that before as well, except for the recoding functions part ;)
23:42:27 <JohnTHaller> That way, you translate the description of, say Firefox, once.
23:42:54 <JohnTHaller> Each time I release, I update the version number, release date, MD5s, etc... but never have to manually update the German (and other) pages for the apps :-)
23:43:13 <JohnTHaller> So, your job is easier. And mine is easier. And we have all apps up in all langs.
23:43:27 <Simeon> cool. I bet sareth is willing to help with the translation too, seeing it as he has the time to be here at this hour ;)
23:43:37 <JohnTHaller> heh
23:43:43 <JohnTHaller> what lang do you do sar3th
23:44:31 <sar3th> german
23:44:41 <Simeon> same as me. we live some 80 km apart
23:44:53 <sar3th> yes :)
23:45:01 <JohnTHaller> ah heh
23:45:06 <JohnTHaller> ever gotten a beer?
23:45:28 <Simeon> no. 80km is a lot here even if it isnt that much in the US ;)
23:45:40 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, that's nothing here.
23:45:53 <Simeon> Maybe we should start a Stammtisch (=regulars' table)
23:45:58 <JohnTHaller> When I lived in CT, that was under an hour drive
23:46:08 <Simeon> CT?
23:46:40 <JohnTHaller> connecticut
23:47:05 <Simeon> ah. If youre not living in the US, remembering all the state abbrevations is a pain
23:47:54 <JohnTHaller> here in NYC, 80km is much further. because I don't have a car and take public transport. so to get to brooklyn, which is like 13 miles away, take 2 hours by subway (since there is no direct route)
23:48:18 <sar3th> same here, i don't have a car either :/
23:48:20 <JohnTHaller> even by car, it's 30 mins ... or more likely an hour and 15 in traffic.
23:48:29 <ZachThibeau> I don't even have a license atm :/
23:48:44 <Simeon> public transport is a lot better here in europe. Although its not that bad in NYC either.
23:49:24 <JohnTHaller> it's not bad when it takes you directly where you want to go. when it doesn't (which is often), it kinda sucks. that's true universally.
23:49:36 <JohnTHaller> other than the subway... the rail system here is horrible
23:50:13 <ZachThibeau> ohh how I miss trains and such wonderful things
23:50:32 <ZachThibeau> well not city trains but trains in general from 1 city to the next
23:50:36 <Simeon> I only went to NYC twice. had to change trains once so it was bearable.(dunno if bearable is the right word here)
23:55:36 <JohnTHaller> It's not so bad.
23:55:42 <JohnTHaller> ZachThibeau: You see the unicode news?
23:56:02 <ZachThibeau> I'm sorry unicode news?
23:56:11 <JohnTHaller> http://portableapps.com/temp/unicodemenu.png
23:56:22 <ZachThibeau> ahh nice :D
23:56:49 <JohnTHaller> It's building in Unicode now. As of about 30 minutes ago. Already tried Vietnamese and Serbian Cyrillic, neither of which worked at all on the Ansi menu no matter what Windows was set as.
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23:58:35 <ZachThibeau> I'm impressed thats pretty cool :)
23:59:33 <JohnTHaller> So that, backup, StartPortableApps.exe all workin unicode. Launcher is built in unicode now. Installer is working in unicode. We just need embeddedlists built in unicode and then we have the updater, too.