IRC Log from 2010-03-27
00:00:30 <Simeon> cool.especially the updater :)
00:01:17 <sar3th> by the way, and news on embeddedlists?
00:02:09 <JohnTHaller> None yet after our failure in attempting building. I got the debug build working... which is workable... but definitely NOT ideal. I think gringo said the actual Dev is gonna give it a shot.
00:02:50 <sar3th> ok
00:03:19 <sar3th> any plans to publish your platform in unicode sourcecode soon JohnTHaller?
00:03:47 <JohnTHaller> As soon as the first beta with it enabled is published, the source is.
00:04:02 <JohnTHaller> It'll be Delphi 2010 only, though. Only Delphi 2009 and up do Unicode.
00:04:05 <Simeon> ok. for some time now I have been thinking that it sounds like to me that the fact that PortableApps is switching to UNicode is really driving the NSIS UNicode development forward.
00:04:37 <sar3th> i'm under that impression as well Simeon ;)
00:04:38 <ZachThibeau> hmm good thing I'm getting over $3000 for my tax return :D then I can buy Delphi 2010 :)
00:04:53 <JohnTHaller> I think it will, yes. Since we're such heavy users of it. And we use so many different extensions.
00:04:57 <JohnTHaller> plugins i mean
00:05:43 <Simeon> good. i think there will be more need for unicode in the time ahead cause support for ANSI-only OS's is dropping
00:05:54 <JohnTHaller> Wish we could get NSIS main to just switch to Unicode
00:07:19 <ZachThibeau> John I know the idea of getting developers to work on the platform has been thrown around and back and forth, but any plans for that still a possibility?
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00:08:22 <JohnTHaller> Hardly anyone is using Win9x anymore. And NOT supporting langs like Vietnamese, Cyrillc Serbian, Khmer, Pashto, Vietnamese, etc... just to keep supporting Win9x is nonsensical.
00:08:40 <Simeon> thats exactly what I thought
00:09:17 <JohnTHaller> ZachThibeau: It is. We'll be doing joint copyright a la OpenOffice.org. Already have a couple signed on. So we can work with proprietary hardware APIs when needed. Add in plugins under different licenses when we make extensions work, etc
00:09:42 <sar3th> you know what's emberassing? i actually thought nsis alreay was supporting unicode :/
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00:10:23 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, I know. It's multilingual. But for some reason, there's resistance to switch to unicode. I think because of all the plugins.
00:10:38 <ZachThibeau> sar3th: there's a seperate project thats a bit behind from the main project called Unicode NSIS http://www.scratchpaper.com/)
00:10:54 <sar3th> yeah ZachThibeau i learned that the last few days ^^
00:11:07 <ZachThibeau> but like I said it's a little behind and some plugins aren't compatable iirc :P
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00:11:57 <ZachThibeau> howdy ChrisMorgan
00:12:11 <Simeon> hi ChrisMorgan!
00:12:28 <JohnTHaller> I think having our NSIS Portable as Unicode will help quite a bit. We should work with Jim on keeping it updated, too
00:12:35 <JohnTHaller> Hi ChrisMorgan. Look what's workin: http://portableapps.com/temp/unicodemenu.png
00:12:36 <ChrisMorgan> Hey :-)
00:13:06 <ChrisMorgan> Ooooh!
00:13:21 <Scriptdaemon> ChrisMorgan, you always manage to come in when I forget what it was I wanted to ask you.
00:13:26 <JohnTHaller> Just built it today. Took longer to get Delphi 2010 trial installed (like 2 days) than to convert it
00:13:28 <ChrisMorgan> Unicode NSIS 2.46 would be a good start. The !search* things might work with it.
00:13:56 <JohnTHaller> Anyone who is anyone and using NSIS is using the unicode version now ( http://www.scratchpaper.com/home/shameless-promotion ) so we should get NSIS proper on switching it over!
00:14:29 <ChrisMorgan> We should still have NSIS Portable naturally, but promote Unicode NSIS as the main version.
00:14:30 <Scriptdaemon> Nullsoft should pick it up in their official build already. >:(
00:14:42 <Simeon> nice list!
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00:14:44 <ChrisMorgan> For correctness though it would still need to be NSISPortable and UnicodeNSISPortable.
00:14:55 <ChrisMorgan> Rather than ANSINSISPortable and NSISPortable or similar.
00:15:18 <ZachThibeau> ironic :P nullsoft's own media player using a non official nsis distribution other than their own >_<
00:15:19 <ChrisMorgan> I found an interesting thing on my 2003 VM. When Guest, RunAsAdmin returns the error code indicating that the logon service is not running.
00:16:03 <Scriptdaemon> Oh?
00:16:18 <sar3th> could it be that it requires the "secondary logon" service which is maybe off by default in 2003 ChrisMorgan?
00:16:21 <ChrisMorgan> In the context menu there's "Run as..." but you apparently can't do it programatically or something. Or there's a problem in the UAC plug-in.
00:16:40 <sar3th> ChrisMorgan: check the service manager please
00:16:41 <ChrisMorgan> Anyway, on XP it seemed to be working fine except for the fact that I don't have an admin password at Uni.
00:17:21 <Scriptdaemon> Are we talking about Revo Uninstaller, since that's the only app right now that uses it?
00:17:23 <sar3th> ChrisMorgan: i'm pretty sure that windows starts the secondary logon service automatically if you click on runas
00:17:47 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon: I'm referring to the testing I did at first on Server 2003.
00:18:05 <ChrisMorgan> I suspect if I created a restricted account (rather than using Guest) it would work.
00:19:01 <Scriptdaemon> Well, *is* the logon service running on a guest account? I'm not sure I see the problem?
00:19:03 <ChrisMorgan> I found a minor issue when on XP; when you press Cancel it didn't detect it properly (error code 1233 but one of the other parameters is incorrect I suspect) and instead of asking you to try again it said "unknown error (1233)"
00:19:19 <ChrisMorgan> I don't know. And at the moment I don't really care either :-)
00:19:37 <Scriptdaemon> Because if it isn't, then that's intended no?
00:20:40 <Scriptdaemon> And I remembered what I wanted to ask you. As for the registry backup stuff in the launcher, is it recursive? Can I tell it to backup the apps registry key and have it backup all the stuff in it as well?
00:21:09 <Scriptdaemon> app's*
00:26:54 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon: with RegistryKeys?
00:27:23 <ChrisMorgan> RegistryKeys will take the whole key, thus including all child keys and values.
00:27:54 <Scriptdaemon> Awesome, looks like Revo Uninstaller Portable is already UPXed.
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00:33:06 <Simeon> alright - gnight all!
00:33:16 <sar3th> good night Simeon :)
00:33:25 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon: as for your comment about 1223, that's a minor bug on my part. There's a special string for it but apparently the parameters for the other variables has changed slightly. I need to check up on that (you might be able to help me by turning on debug and telling me what the variables are that it shows when you cancel the elevation window)
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00:36:27 <Scriptdaemon> Sure, I'll get to that in a minute.
00:42:11 <ChrisMorgan> Thanks.
00:42:42 <ChrisMorgan> PortableApps.comLauncherDebug.nsh goes in the Revo Source directory now. You'll just need a line !define DEBUG_SEGMENT_RunAsAdmin
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00:47:15 <Scriptdaemon> ChrisMorgan|away, I know.
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00:49:57 <Scriptdaemon> Um, hmm. It doesn't show any debug information.
00:54:39 <Scriptdaemon> Nvm. I'm stupid.
00:57:40 <Scriptdaemon> ChrisMorgan|away, Debug message at line 230.10.30.9 UAC_RunElevated return values: $0=1223 $1=0 $2=1223 $3=0 Unknown Error (1223)
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01:55:47 <pa_9073> hello
01:56:50 <sar3th> hi pa_9073, how can we help?
01:57:29 <pa_9073> I have been trying to change my password for my account. It will not let me.
01:59:36 <pa_9073> ru still there??
02:00:17 <gluxon> pa_9073: Why? What message are you getting?
02:01:25 <pa_9073> Verification error..... I learned that it requires 6 letters, numb, punct. not does it require signature??
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02:02:05 <pa_9073> now does it require signature?
02:02:09 <gluxon> No.
02:03:35 <gluxon> The only thing really required is the new password and email.
02:03:49 <pa_9073> I see the correct email address, then I put in (twice) THE PASSWORD. then I go to the bot and hit save.
02:04:41 <gluxon> And you get Verification Error? Strange, I'm not having trouble changing it.
02:08:13 <OliverK|Away> pa_9073: are you putting in the old password as well?
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02:08:50 <pa_1516> I was the one with the password problem. I went back and it works.
02:08:55 <pa_1516> Thanks.....
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03:27:58 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... I'm having trouble deciding whether to delete this post or move it to Off-Topic.
03:28:09 <ChrisMorgan> The legal term is that it's "inciting hate".
03:28:15 <JohnTHaller> linky?
03:28:23 <ChrisMorgan> http://portableapps.com/node/23121
03:28:29 <ChrisMorgan> My way of putting it is just that it's utter nonsense, not at all true.
03:29:04 <ChrisMorgan> If he's talking of the filler space in the contact points that will be an "issue" for all USB devices. It's not though, as Oliver has said it's fine.
03:29:09 <JohnTHaller> Well, it could be his personal experience with it.
03:29:26 <ChrisMorgan> Not by the wording.
03:29:36 <ChrisMorgan> He's saying that that /will/ be a problem.
03:29:42 <ChrisMorgan> And it's just not true.
03:29:55 <JohnTHaller> well, firefox support isn't right. off topic it
03:30:48 <ChrisMorgan> Done. I think that legally there could be reason to delete it as "our responsibility"...
03:32:04 <JohnTHaller> It's still a personal review. Even if saying there will be a failing. I've said similar in reviews (on drives that are replaced a few times)... like once you hear that noise, it's gonna fail. You're gonna replace it. And the next one will fail several months later.
03:33:33 <ChrisMorgan> It's most unjust to comment on the plastic surrounding the contact points though. That's how /all/ drives do it (indeed it can't be metal due to conductivity). Other than that he might mean the end of the plastic casing?
03:33:56 <JohnTHaller> perhaps. but I think off topic is fine.
03:34:31 <ChrisMorgan> What do you think of Gringoloco1's suggestion about UTF16-LE launcher INI file?
03:39:04 <JohnTHaller> Sure, why not?
03:39:32 <JohnTHaller> I'm switching all locale files to UTF16-LE. If we use it, we can have short descriptions of apps in different langs, too.
03:40:07 <JohnTHaller> Is there any advantage to the end user?
03:40:21 <JohnTHaller> Will switching to UTF-16LE break the ability to read ANSI INIs?
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03:40:56 <sar3th> it shouldn't i think, as ANSI is "included" in unicode
03:41:50 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: not entirely correct; Unicode is UTF16-LE which is multi-byte, 16-bit rather than 8-bit.
03:42:03 <ChrisMorgan> ANSI can be read as UTF-8 without problems.
03:42:17 <ChrisMorgan> But if you try reading ANSI as Unicode you'll get an awful unintelligible mess.
03:42:32 <ChrisMorgan> The thing I don't like about UTF16-LE is the fact that all files become twice the size.
03:42:39 <sar3th> oh, 16-little-endian :/
03:42:47 <ChrisMorgan> Yep
03:43:01 <ChrisMorgan> But you can read ANSI INI files.
03:43:32 <JohnTHaller> Is there any reason to go UTFLE-16 for the launcher inis?
03:43:58 <ChrisMorgan> It's possible that someone may need it for a file name.
03:44:01 <sar3th> isn't UTF-8 enough for them?
03:44:10 <ChrisMorgan> Should be.
03:44:57 <JohnTHaller> I really doubt anybody will need it for an internal filename.
03:45:12 <ChrisMorgan> Some projects do actually use the language name as its file name
03:45:31 <ChrisMorgan> And so for wonky scripts you can end up with UTF-8 file-names.
03:45:44 <ChrisMorgan> The only thing really which should be different with reading a UTF-16LE INI file is the ForEachINIPair macro. I /think/ that it should work perfectly as it is with the possible exception of the BOM which is mandatory in UTF16-LE. I'd need to test it more though to see if anything else is needed.
03:46:07 <JohnTHaller> Is there any way we can detect the file type?
03:46:18 <JohnTHaller> I'm getting used to Delphi's handling... it figures it out for you... isn't that nice of it?
03:46:21 <ChrisMorgan> Either (a) it will only affect the first line, which should contain [Launch] and no value ever needs reading with ForEachINIPair in Launch, or (b) it will affect the whole FileRead stuff.
03:46:38 <ChrisMorgan> I think it should all be fine automatically but I'd need to test it more.
03:48:04 <JohnTHaller> ok
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05:18:58 <Scriptdaemon> ChrisMorgan, you know how to work with icons?
05:18:58 * ChrisMorgan found a reproducible crash in Chrome :D
05:19:14 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon: sure
05:19:22 <ChrisMorgan> Step one: use IcoFX. Then it's all easy :-)
05:20:08 <Scriptdaemon> Well, I have an icon, but it has three formats for each size and I don't know how to view what format it is in.
05:20:27 <ChrisMorgan> Open it in IcoFX.
05:20:34 <ChrisMorgan> Then you'll see the size and format.
05:20:46 <Scriptdaemon> K, one sec.
05:21:10 <ChrisMorgan> You want it in 4-bit (256 colours), 24-bit (true colour) and 32-bit (24-bit plus alpha channel)
05:22:07 <Scriptdaemon> Oh? That's different from what the PA.c Format states.
05:23:00 <ChrisMorgan> No it isn't..?
05:23:33 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... 24-bit has vanished.
05:23:39 <ChrisMorgan> I'm sure it used to be in there..?
05:23:55 <Scriptdaemon> Says nothing about 4-bit either (it says 8-bits).
05:24:13 <Scriptdaemon> Though the same 256 colour profile.
05:24:26 <ChrisMorgan> s/4/8/
05:24:35 <Scriptdaemon> Same thing?
05:24:40 <ChrisMorgan> 2^4 != 256
05:24:43 <ChrisMorgan> 2^8 = 256
05:24:48 <Scriptdaemon> K.
05:24:48 <ChrisMorgan> My powers of two are going wacko
05:24:53 <Scriptdaemon> lol
05:25:49 <ChrisMorgan> Anyone want to see if my Chrome page crash works on Windows?
05:26:31 <Scriptdaemon> Don't use Chrome. =P
05:26:34 <ChrisMorgan> Go to http://icefox.net/anigma/, type k to open the debug panel and go to level 93.
05:27:10 <ChrisMorgan> Of course, users of Firefox other than the latest nightly (in which it /mostly/ works but still not all) can go home... Anigma is too complex for Firefox 3.6 :D.
05:27:26 <Scriptdaemon> Pft.
05:31:29 <Scriptdaemon> I can't go from 24-bit to 32-bit directly, can I?
05:31:42 <ChrisMorgan> Convert it
05:31:45 <ChrisMorgan> It's easy in IcoFX
05:32:07 <ChrisMorgan> I think it's in the Image menu
05:34:44 <Scriptdaemon> Assuming the .png images I have are the format they're supposed to be, this should be 100% ready to go now.
05:35:57 <ChrisMorgan> An export from IcoFX of the 32-bit ones should be fine.
05:38:22 <Scriptdaemon> Alright, awesome. I emailed the developers again and asked them if they wanted to host it or if they prefered PA.c do it, so I guess that's the last thing we're waiting on.
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07:49:28 <Gringoloco1> Hello
07:49:35 <taneth111> Hello.
08:13:26 <ChrisMorgan> Hello..
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08:20:15 <Gringoloco1> About ini files, I just done some testing to be 100% sure, but NSISu does not use utf-8 for ini
08:21:10 <ChrisMorgan> Doesn't or can't?
08:21:21 <ChrisMorgan> If it comes across UTF-8 or UTF16-LE what does it do?
08:21:47 <Gringoloco1> That's compiling !
08:22:12 <Gringoloco1> ReadINIStr, decides it self if there is a BOM
08:22:33 <Gringoloco1> it will read it as UTF-16LE, that's windows
08:22:56 <Gringoloco1> even proper NSIS could ReadINIStr utf-16LE
08:23:41 <Gringoloco1> If it not UTF-16, it will read the ini as ANSI, not as utf-8
08:24:29 <ChrisMorgan> And so, for example, what happens to UTF-8 curly quotes?
08:25:38 <ChrisMorgan> And what exactly is it that goes wrong with ForEachINIPair on UTF-16LE files? I would have thought that it would work fine with the possible exception of the first line due to the bomb (which doesn't matter as the first line is [Launch] and it's never iterated through).
08:25:42 <Gringoloco1> They get mixed up, read as ANSI. I just tested it with ® !
08:26:40 <Gringoloco1> FileRead can't read utf-16 lines, so we have to use FileReadUTF16
08:27:09 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm. I didn't know about those new commands at all (and neither does pastebin.com's highlighting...)
08:27:32 <Gringoloco1> JimPark invented them
08:28:56 <ChrisMorgan> I guessed that
08:29:07 <Gringoloco1> Just remember that ReadINIstr doesn't have a UTF16 command, it finds out it self in which format the ini is (JUST NO UTF-8)
08:29:11 <ChrisMorgan> Another thing I'll need to put into my NSIS syntax file for Vim.
08:29:53 <Gringoloco1> I'm having a real issue with embeddedlists ?
08:30:52 <Gringoloco1> I can compile the plugin, but it just doesn't work, even compiling the ansi version of it doesn't ?
08:32:56 <ChrisMorgan> Fun fun.
08:33:07 <ChrisMorgan> Hopefully its original author will be able to help you out.
08:33:42 <Gringoloco1> I got the problem down to CreateDialog(), do you have any experience with CreateDialog?
08:34:52 <Gringoloco1> Yes I'll put a message up this forum topic, he mensioned he will look at it anytime soon. Will do that later today.
08:44:04 <Gringoloco1> Do you have any suspicions about other segment within PAL, what could break functionality ?
08:44:57 <Gringoloco1> There was an issue with including EULA, earlier ?
09:16:30 <Gringoloco1> Maybe JimPark could consider for NSISu not to convert to utf-8 if there is no bom
09:18:24 <Gringoloco1> Anyway utf-8 has it's own bom : EFBB / for little endian BBFE
09:19:19 <Gringoloco1> It would solve some issues we have !!! And stops the confusion !
09:21:26 <Gringoloco1> utf-16 : FFFE / FEFF
09:22:00 <ChrisMorgan> The thing is UTF-8 doesn't have to have the bomb. I think I'd go so far as to say it normally doesn't.
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09:25:14 <Gringoloco1> Sorry my mistake, utf-8 : EFBBBF
09:27:30 <ChrisMorgan> Three bytes?
09:27:54 <ChrisMorgan> Anyway, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte_order_mark#Representations_of_byte_order_marks_by_encoding
09:32:13 <Gringoloco1> Officially it should contain a bom, and there are bound to be mistakes due to NSISu converting all the scripts and eula's as utf-8 !
09:41:14 <ChrisMorgan> "This virus is very useful and is free."
09:41:51 <Gringoloco1> what???
09:42:30 <ChrisMorgan> http://portableapps.com/node/23130
10:10:09 <ChrisMorgan> This PAL manual project of mine just gets bigger and bigger...
10:22:29 <ChrisMorgan> 31 files and growing...
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11:22:16 <Horusofoz> Hey Peeps :)
11:22:39 <Horusofoz> What's the talk?
11:23:19 <Simeon> hi
11:23:52 <Horusofoz> Hi Simeon
11:24:15 <Horusofoz> Has there been any recent discussion of note?
11:24:43 <Simeon> I only joined a couple of minutes ago. You might want to check the logs...
11:30:09 <Horusofoz> Extensions for plugins is definitely note-worthy :)
11:32:01 <Simeon> yes. and the unicode thing sounds like a breakthrough too.
11:35:31 <Horusofoz> Unfortunately I can't follow much of the discussion but it does read good. Progress marches on :)
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13:36:07 <Gringoloco> Finally got embeddedlists recompiled, but only for ansi at the moment ! VC++ 6.0
13:36:17 <Gringoloco> 6.0 done the trick
13:37:23 <sar3th> that is strange
13:39:47 <Gringoloco> In the end, yesterday, I got it recompiled in VC++ 2008, but some how CreateDialog didn't return a value, yes just 0. Maybe you know what that could be ?
13:41:38 <Gringoloco> Probably, it was due to EmbeddedLists.rc not being handled right by VC++2008
13:48:42 <sar3th> hm no, i have no clue :/
13:48:54 <sar3th> so is embeddedlists working properly now?
13:49:46 <Gringoloco> Just now got it working for NSISu, have to test it thoroghly though !
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14:17:20 <Gringoloco> Tested all example scripts, all fine. Will upload now!
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15:39:12 <pa_9591> dddd
15:40:21 <sar3th> hello pa_9591, how can we help you?
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15:40:58 <[omar]> ee
15:41:07 <OliverK> [omar]: having fun are we?
15:41:35 <[omar]> :((
15:41:54 <sar3th> [omar]: can we help you?
15:42:33 <[omar]> windows portable frefox? dowland
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15:42:42 <[omar]> link?
15:42:48 <Simeon> hia ll
15:42:49 <OliverK> .pa firefox portable
15:42:58 <[omar]> hım
15:43:10 <sar3th> [omar]: please wait
15:43:18 <[omar]> ok
15:43:19 <OliverK> .g firefox portable site:portableapps.com
15:43:20 <GizmoBot> OliverK: http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable
15:43:24 <OliverK> ta-dah :)
15:43:26 <[omar]> thank you
15:43:30 <[omar]> :))
15:43:55 <OliverK> no prob
15:44:08 <[omar]> byee
15:44:19 <sar3th> bye [omar]
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15:44:42 <Simeon> hi sar3th
15:44:50 <sar3th> welcome Simeon
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16:29:56 <Simeon> hi excid
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19:35:33 <OliverK> ZachThibeau: did i tell you i saw on the mentalist (cbs televison show) they were using xchat?
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19:36:21 <OliverK> buahaha
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19:40:53 <ZachThibeau> OliverK: no you didn't but I saw it :P on CTV :P
19:41:00 <OliverK> win
19:41:01 <ZachThibeau> Canadian Television ;)
19:41:04 <OliverK> figured
19:41:09 <ZachThibeau> that watches american programming xD
19:41:14 <OliverK> hehe
19:41:18 <OliverK> bloody american
19:41:21 <OliverK> americans*
19:41:42 <ZachThibeau> the best Canadian comedy however that was truely Canadian was called corner gas :)
19:42:09 <ZachThibeau> hmm speaking of funny shows, time for some big bang theory catch up for me
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21:55:29 <vf2nsr> Anyone familiar with the install.ini file that the PA Installer uses?
21:57:24 <sar3th> not really
21:57:36 <sar3th> but i read about it once
21:58:08 <sar3th> vf2nsr: read this again :P
21:58:10 <sar3th> .def PAF
21:58:11 <GizmoBot> PAF means PortableApps.com Format. See http://portableapps.com/development/portableapps.com_format for details
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22:02:56 <vf2nsr> I am reading it as we speak
22:03:21 <vf2nsr> I am trying to figure if in the download section for url I can define a relative disk path
22:04:09 <vf2nsr> so instead of www.exmple.com I can use Pal:%AppDir%\Data
22:04:46 <vf2nsr> in other words I want it to execute the zip in the install
22:06:07 <pa_4355> Unpack the System_7.0.1.smi.bin archive and move the image files into the Mac-on-Stick folder. How unpack bin file? Simply moved to Mac-on-Stick folder. Drag the Install 1.image onto the Mini vMac icon. This launches Mini vMac and starts the installation procedure. No such file. What purpose does the HFV exe do that the Windows Explorer can not do? HELLLP vf2nsr
22:07:30 <vf2nsr> gues I keep at it there has to be a way to do what I am trying to do :)
22:13:38 <sar3th> pa_4355: please standby, checking..
22:13:59 <vf2nsr> think I just figured out my issue...Brain cramped had incorrect intaller name I had intall PA Installer wantes installer
22:14:08 <vf2nsr> Be back after I test theory
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22:17:51 <sar3th> which operating system are you using pa_4355?
22:18:22 <koriban> windows
22:18:52 <sar3th> koriban: are you pa_4355, the one with the mac-on-a-stick problem?
22:19:11 <koriban> no I versioned him ;)
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22:21:28 <sar3th> pa_4355: i can't open the bin file either
22:21:52 <sar3th> thanks koriban, but he might be working on another pc than the one he uses to chat ;)
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22:21:55 <sar3th> >_>
22:22:12 <koriban> lol got to love qwebirc
22:22:40 <koriban> http://sourceforge.net/projects/extraputty/
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22:33:34 <koriban> :D
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23:30:25 <pa_6449> do what?
23:31:32 <TimClark> Do you have a question pa_6449 ?
23:31:37 <pa_6449> didn't want to post a message in the forum, but shouldn't the icon in the lower left corner of the screen say Firefox 3.6 instead of 3.5
23:32:01 <koriban> :?
23:32:06 <TimClark> probably
23:32:25 <koriban> I dont see an icon there?
23:32:44 <pa_6449> thought maybe it should, but didn't want to embarrass anyone
23:33:03 <pa_6449> the screen on the PortableApps.com web site
23:33:16 <TimClark> it will change at some point i'm sure
23:33:31 <pa_6449> yeah, is it PFM?
23:33:43 <koriban> TimClark, use brain waves to melt it
23:34:04 <TimClark> what is PFM?
23:34:15 <pa_6449> pure ..... magic
23:34:34 <sar3th> pure friendly magic that is :)
23:34:43 <pa_6449> absolutely!
23:34:46 <TimClark> no, john will get to it, it links to the right place
23:35:00 <pa_6449> ok... adios
23:35:04 <TimClark> bye
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23:35:26 <TimClark> stop being silly koriban please
23:35:49 <koriban> you know you like sumatra pdf
23:36:27 <koriban> Why does it write portable everywhere on the menu :D
23:37:33 <koriban> Firefox Portable, Help Portable, Eject Portable, Quit Portable
23:37:47 <TimClark> that is the default name of the apps
23:38:22 <koriban> add a (c) next to each of the menu entries
23:38:32 <koriban> Firefox Portable(c)
23:38:49 <TimClark> stop being silly koriban please
23:39:02 <koriban> :/ not being silly
23:39:11 <koriban> menu is silly
23:39:23 <TimClark> you can change the name that appears in the menu http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#renamingicons
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23:42:12 <koriban> yeah it makes sense to put portable next to each entry in the portable portable apps menu :D
23:42:23 <rcmaehl> You guys should release PAP 1.6.1 to fix the hide feature
23:42:42 <TimClark> If you want to change it koriban you can, problem solved
23:42:57 <koriban> nah I wont
23:43:09 <koriban> it makes me laugh the way it is
23:43:09 <sar3th> rcmaehl: that is not in our hands
23:43:11 <TimClark> you won't what ?
23:43:25 <TimClark> nm
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23:58:52 <vf2nsr> anyone know the proper syntax to extract a dile to the root directory?
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23:59:02 <OliverK|Away> file?
23:59:07 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> rcmaehl: what issue are you talking about?
23:59:14 <vf2nsr> is it ExtractTo =<root>
23:59:22 <OliverK|Away> vf2nsr: I'd check out prapper's work
23:59:27 <OliverK|Away> like, drive root?
23:59:27 <vf2nsr> sorry yes file
23:59:37 <rcmaehl> Gizmokid2005|AFK: where you click on the tray icon and it doesn't minimize
23:59:52 <vf2nsr> asi in the PA Installer Installer.ini file