IRC Log from 2010-03-29

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00:29:54 <pa_6894> Hi I'm trying to use Pidgin Portable at college.
00:30:00 <pa_6894> I keep getting error messages for all my (Google, MSN, Facebook [XMPP] and IRC) accounts
00:30:58 <marlop> pa_6894, probably you are behind a proxy or a firewall
00:31:06 <marlop> try miranda
00:31:15 <OliverK> miranda won't help :p
00:31:24 <marlop> it usually does
00:31:25 <OliverK> it makes no difference
00:31:29 <OliverK> really?
00:31:38 <pa_6894> I think I am behind a proxy but the PA Proxy Get tool doesn't detect any
00:31:45 <OliverK> shouldn't, not if its behind a firewall
00:31:57 <OliverK> pa_6894: can you access anything with firefox portable?
00:32:03 <OliverK> websites and such?
00:32:18 <pa_6894> The different error messages basically amount to connection timed out or unable to connect
00:32:30 <pa_6894> Accessing IRC through FF Portable now
00:32:34 <OliverK> k
00:32:37 <OliverK> then there isn't a proxy
00:32:39 <OliverK> :)
00:32:57 <OliverK> you probably have a over zealous network administrator who block chat protocols
00:33:07 <OliverK> the only way around it is ssh or vpns
00:33:17 <pa_6894> I can use web based clients
00:33:19 <OliverK> basically making your own proxy
00:33:27 <OliverK> yep, they are detected as html traffic
00:33:35 <pa_6894> But I'm wanting to have all my accounts/logs/etc in one spot
00:33:36 <OliverK> not as irc or msn protocol traffic
00:33:41 <OliverK> i understand that
00:33:50 <OliverK> there's nothing i can really do
00:34:01 <pa_6894> how to use ssh/vpns?
00:34:06 <OliverK> the only thing i can really say is check out ssh or vpns
00:34:11 <OliverK> wikipedia
00:34:14 <OliverK> or hak5
00:34:30 <OliverK> i've never had to set one up, though I did setup ssh on my home server
00:34:38 <OliverK> useless do to my upload speed being fail
00:35:02 <pa_6894> ok thanks for the help. May be back for clarification.
00:35:07 <OliverK> no prob
00:35:10 <OliverK> feel free
00:35:37 <marlop> as i said try miranda(at least msn will work as it has a option to use a http gateway)
00:35:48 <OliverK> nice :)
00:35:54 <OliverK> but it may be blocked
00:35:55 <OliverK> :p
00:36:10 <OliverK> for gmail, they do have inline chat where you check your mail
00:36:51 <marlop> at my school they have an endian firewall, just miranda can connect
00:37:06 <OliverK> then, they also have a stupid sys admin
00:37:52 <OliverK> :p
00:38:16 <OliverK> buhaha
00:38:22 <marlop> yes they are stupid, i had to warn them 3 times of a issue before they solve the problem
00:38:38 <OliverK> hehe
00:38:54 * OliverK is glad marlop took that the right way :)
00:39:46 <marlop> but the firewall is solid(at least the last time i checked) ;D
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01:42:31 <sar3th> OliverK: i could connect to irc in shool hence proxy/firewall
01:42:55 <sar3th> *despite
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01:46:37 <ZachThibeau> howdy JohnTHaller
01:46:41 <JohnTHaller> hola
01:46:56 <ZachThibeau> whats new?
01:48:31 <JohnTHaller> PMed you a new themes screenshot. It's a secondary option.
01:49:03 <JohnTHaller> Just a mockup right now. Code test, actually. But switching to Delphi 2010 will let us use glass in some themes.
01:49:17 <ZachThibeau> very nice
01:49:54 <JohnTHaller> thanks. took a few hours to get it working properly. had to override a couple built in delphi functions.
01:50:03 <sar3th> really? oO
01:50:13 <JohnTHaller> got it working explicitly, so it will not crash on XP, too
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01:50:40 <sar3th> whoa, looks awesome :D
01:51:19 <JohnTHaller> Gonna be a secondary option. We're still going with the new colormix themes as the default. It won't look like that on XP of course. Or Aero Basic.
01:51:29 <sar3th> oh i understand now, you had to override functions to get it to use aero properly
01:51:39 <sar3th> not to compile using delphi 2010
01:51:56 <sar3th> will it look the same as before on windows xp?
01:52:14 <JohnTHaller> But it's an option. And it's moderately customizable with PNGs so it can be used with custom themes made by themers. We're working on a fake glass background for in cases where aero isn't on and 200/XP.
01:52:41 <sar3th> cool :)
01:53:35 <JohnTHaller> It'll look like the new colromix by default. But it will include two colormix themes... one with a white app list background, one with a colored one... each of which support 15 built-in colors as well as the abillty to choose your own. In addition, the glass theme should be included (if we get it done in time), with no realy customization options... it just uses aero as dictaed by Windows with our custom PNG on it
01:53:49 <JohnTHaller> And then a Classic theme that'll be the current themes in the 2.0 betas now.
01:53:55 <JohnTHaller> 5 colors for that
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01:54:37 <sar3th> wow
01:54:39 <ZachThibeau> hey rmccue whats up
01:54:46 <rmccue> The roof
01:54:55 <sar3th> theming really is a "magnitude" better than in the old menu in 2.0 :)
01:55:02 <ZachThibeau> yeah... not what I meant but ok...
01:55:24 <sar3th> oh god, it's rmccue
01:55:32 <sar3th> how are you gentleman?
01:56:41 <rmccue> All my base are belong to you?
01:57:33 <ZachThibeau> no just the burritacos
01:57:34 <ZachThibeau> :P
02:00:34 <sar3th> :D
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02:06:29 <ZachThibeau> howdy ChrisMorgan
02:06:35 <ChrisMorgan> Hey ZachThibeau
02:07:06 <ZachThibeau> now all we need is horusofoz to have our aussie crowd in full force :P
02:07:50 <Chazz> ZachThibeau, out of the entire 2 aussies?
02:07:50 <Chazz> :p
02:08:04 <ChrisMorgan> Chazz, you forget rmccue
02:08:15 <Chazz> Then so did Zach. :P
02:08:18 <Chazz> er
02:08:18 <ZachThibeau> no
02:08:19 <Chazz> nvm
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02:08:24 <ZachThibeau> :P
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02:09:01 <ZachThibeau> I knew ryan was here and then Chris joined and then I said all we need is horusoz to complete the aussie trio :)
02:09:18 <JohnTHaller> rmccue: How come you're not OPed?
02:09:19 <ChrisMorgan> There have been other Australians at times.
02:09:20 <ZachThibeau> oops I misspelled horosofoz's name there :P
02:09:41 <JohnTHaller> My head would hurt from being upsidedown all the time.
02:09:44 <ZachThibeau> out of the ones I know you 3 are the ones I know the most that are online most of the time
02:09:52 <rmccue> JohnTHaller: I removed the +O, so people stop bugging me when I'm not here. :P
02:09:58 <JohnTHaller> Heh
02:10:09 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller, it's you lot that are upside down - remember the magnetic poles are upside down etc. and so South is actually up?
02:10:09 <JohnTHaller> How's it going?
02:10:19 <rmccue> JohnTHaller: Pretty well. Yourself?
02:10:29 <JohnTHaller> Not bad. Crazy busy with the 2.0 leadup.
02:10:38 <ChrisMorgan> FYI, I don't plan on being very active in here today or tomorrow and probably not Wednesday either as I've got a decent-sized MTH1030 assignment due on Wednesday which I... haven't started on. It's all PAL's fault, of course :P
02:11:16 <rmccue> ChrisMorgan: Technically, we're all standing up straight, as "down" points to the centre of gravity. :P
02:11:18 <ZachThibeau> man minigtk is extremely hard to work with :/
02:11:41 <ChrisMorgan> On Saturday I got /heaps/ done on the PAL manual. Still not up to the help.html level but getting there quickly. I didn't commit it though.
02:11:51 <JohnTHaller> Ah nive.
02:11:52 <JohnTHaller> nice
02:12:22 <ChrisMorgan> And also lots of extra things not in before... more details on making Java applications portable, Qt apps too
02:12:29 <JohnTHaller> Any chance we can get through a beta soon that fixes the multi-instance, EXE restart, multi-EXE issue before then? Is it already fixed on tip... want me to do a beta 3 post?
02:12:52 <ChrisMorgan> Have you (or anyone) tested it to make sure it does fix it?
02:13:10 <ChrisMorgan> Oh yeah, I should get that Bulgarian translation in too.
02:13:13 <JohnTHaller> Nope, not yet., Too busy on new thingies. Updater unicode today. ANd new theme switcher.
02:13:28 <JohnTHaller> Oh, email it over. I'm converting em all to UTF16-LE now anyway
02:13:41 <ChrisMorgan> It's in Loc. Disc. forum
02:13:47 <JohnTHaller> Oh ok
02:14:09 <ChrisMorgan> And I moved some of the stuff in topics on building PAL, debugging etc. into an "advanced" section so it should be better for beginners.
02:14:15 <JohnTHaller> That PM I sent is the new aero theme. Gonna add it in as an option. It's just a mockup right now, we haven't done the actual artwork to put on the glass
02:14:24 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: Good move
02:14:45 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, it looks good.
02:15:50 <ChrisMorgan> In a way it'd be good if you could make the X and eject buttons look just like the normal top-of-frame X and maximize buttons, but at the bottom. But that's nigh on impossible so I won't expect it :P
02:15:53 <JohnTHaller> Got the code for it rendering properly. Not crashing on XP or when aero is disabled. We're stikcing with the colormix themes as the default, still, since lots of people are on XP and then the menu will look the same on every PC you move to.
02:16:40 <JohnTHaller> I can't get em right at the edge without going further into Delphi override functions. I did enough just getting glass working properly for a menu (since it's not designed to work as a borderless, titlebar-less form)
02:17:09 <ChrisMorgan> Sure. And I don't think you can move about where the X button goes. Just on or off.
02:18:12 <JohnTHaller> Correct.
02:22:24 <JohnTHaller> rmccue: You have any interest in a preview of what's coming out this week via PM?
02:22:45 <rmccue> JohnTHaller: Not sure if I'll have time.
02:22:49 <JohnTHaller> ok
02:24:18 <JohnTHaller> Also, I'm packaging up 1.6.1 now. It fixes the tray bug of showing and hiding consistently and has updated translations. It's planned to be the last Win9x-compatible release.
02:27:10 <sar3th> yay :)
02:27:33 <sar3th> shouldn't the unicode version work with Microsoft's Compatibility Layer for Unicode?
02:27:44 <JohnTHaller> Nope. Most new stuff doesn't.
02:28:11 <ChrisMorgan> Even if it does there are other features which don't work properly on 98
02:29:32 <sar3th> hm ok, i just wondered
02:29:56 <JohnTHaller> It may work with KernelEx installed, but we won't be supporting it.
02:30:17 <ChrisMorgan> You're essentially pulling 98 apart to get it to work with things that are just plain newer than it.
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02:30:26 <ChrisMorgan> You'd do better to install Linux and Wine.
02:30:56 <JohnTHaller> Or Win2K, which would be faster
02:31:19 <ChrisMorgan> Than 98 or Wine?
02:31:37 <JohnTHaller> Linux + Wine on an old box would be a lot slower than Win2K
02:31:50 <JohnTHaller> Win2K will be a bit slower than 98.. but if you add a bit of RAM it should be ok
02:36:31 <ChrisMorgan> Hey! I just found http://nsis.sourceforge.net/Get_all_entries_in_section_of_INI_file which shows what is probably a better way of doing ForEachINIPair.
02:36:50 <sar3th> a move from windows to linux is not something trivial ChrisMorgan
02:36:59 <JohnTHaller> I trhought you knew about that and had decided ForEachINIPair was better/faster/stronger
02:37:02 <ChrisMorgan> No. But it's a good thing to do :-)
02:37:21 <ChrisMorgan> No, I didn't know about it. It didn't occur to me that there was probably a shell API call for it until about 5 minutes ago.
02:37:39 <ChrisMorgan> This is worthwhile testing.
02:38:06 <JohnTHaller> I get the API call can handle either UTF8 or UTF16LE
02:38:11 <ChrisMorgan> I expect that it would provide more consistent Unicode handling than using the FileRead stuff. And that's the biggest issue currently.
02:38:34 <JohnTHaller> Yeah. I say give it a try. I'm 98% sure by looking at it that it'll solve that.
02:38:44 <ChrisMorgan> Looks like it should.
02:39:03 <JohnTHaller> I think i called the A version in Delphi at some point... or researched it to call it. I think it was for the runonstart and runonexit stuff i'm adding in.
02:39:47 <ChrisMorgan> I've even got an idea that this could handle non-INI types: so instead of "1=blah\blah\blah" we could do just "blah\blah\blah" (which I've thought of at times). What do you reckon, John? Some of them are just straight N=* lines and getting rid of the N would make it neater.
02:40:03 <JohnTHaller> It should handle everything that Windows does INI-wise... which is everything from straight Ansi to UTF16LE as I found out with Delphi 2010.
02:41:02 <ChrisMorgan> MSDN on GetPrivateProfileSection: "Note This function is provided only for compatibility with 16-bit applications written for Windows. Applications should store initialization information in the registry."
02:41:17 <ChrisMorgan> Bah. How silly. Wonder why they bothered saying that.
02:41:29 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, tons of apps still use INIs
02:41:47 <ChrisMorgan> I think I'd say most applications don't use the registry for settings.
02:42:05 <JohnTHaller> Most do. We just don't portablize a lot of those.
02:44:01 <ChrisMorgan> When I next get a chance I'll pull the guts out of that GetSection script.
02:44:43 <ChrisMorgan> The only slight difficulty is the lstrlenA call. Making sure that works properly with A and W providing the right results etc. may be interesting.
02:45:33 <JohnTHaller> why do you need a length?
02:45:58 <ChrisMorgan> That's how that function does it - as part of turning a buffer into a string NSIS can cope with, I gather.
02:46:28 <ChrisMorgan> Wait... I see what it is.
02:46:37 <JohnTHaller> oh yes. Have to call the W version of it.
02:46:39 <ChrisMorgan> The last time the buffer length is 0 and so that's the stop signal.
02:46:48 <ChrisMorgan> So A would really be fine...
02:47:16 <ChrisMorgan> But I think it's one of those C functions which behave strangely with having a /real/ lstrlen function minus A/W rather than just redirecting.
02:47:19 <JohnTHaller> I learned quite a bit about the diffs between all the strlen stuff in unicode vs ansi in my research
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02:48:09 <ChrisMorgan> And that ProcFunc string length thing has opened my eyes to the handling of characters versus WCHARs (don't think it comes into it this time but it'll need testing to make sure the System::Alloc works as expected)
02:49:29 <ChrisMorgan> And that 1024 should be ${NSIS_MAX_STRLEN}
02:50:25 <ChrisMorgan> Actually I spy a problem with this.
02:51:05 <sar3th> ChrisMorgan: did you notice the handling of ini-files is dependant on the application, eg Qt Apllications handle Ini-Files differently
02:51:16 <ChrisMorgan> It's only going to cope with the first ${NSIS_MAX_STRLEN} characters of the section. While 4K (8K/2 for UTF-16LE) should be fine it /might/ not be.
02:51:33 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th, what do you mean? What do Qt apps do differently with them?
02:52:37 <sar3th> they parse tem differently, let me find an example quickly
02:53:31 <sar3th> ChrisMorgan: see http://sar3th.pastebin.com/t4DPdXcH
02:55:25 <sar3th> taken from the current sdk's documentation
02:55:28 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th, I don't think that should affect how PAL handles them at all
02:55:58 <sar3th> i though PAL can be used to search and replace in an ini-file if necessary
02:56:10 <sar3th> what if that ini-file is in qt format and you have to adapt the location?
02:56:11 <ChrisMorgan> Yes.
02:56:31 <sar3th> will you just replace the drive letter instead of the whole path?
02:56:31 <ChrisMorgan> That just means that the developer has to be careful about what they do to the file
02:56:45 <sar3th> :7 k
02:56:47 <sar3th> *:/
02:56:52 <ChrisMorgan> That's up to the developer: they can take just the drive letter if they want (X)
02:57:00 <ChrisMorgan> And wrap it up in whatever characters they like
02:57:22 <ChrisMorgan> So file:///%PAL:DriveLetter%/ would find file:///X/
02:58:08 <OliverK> eh
02:58:17 <OliverK> makes more sense then what i was coming up with
02:58:25 <ChrisMorgan> What was that?
02:58:56 <OliverK> how the hell you figured on replaceing driver letter e without messing everything else up!
02:59:00 <ChrisMorgan> Sorry, got to go to a lecture now, bye. I'll try to remember to read the logs when I get back in an hours time
02:59:23 <ChrisMorgan> OliverK, simple: on first run LastDrive gets set to Drive and so find=replace and so the replacement is skipped
02:59:35 <OliverK> "E"
02:59:43 <OliverK> you're finding and replacing "E" :p
02:59:56 <ChrisMorgan> If you do that, that's your fault :-)
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03:00:04 <OliverK> i know better
03:00:10 <OliverK> i've been coding longer then that
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03:24:28 <OliverK> http://imgur.com/KbMOC.jpg
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03:26:39 <vf2nsr> Iam Back lol
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04:04:30 <ChrisMorgan> OliverK, what do you mean, you know better?
04:04:56 <OliverK> i know better then to do a silly thing like that
04:05:02 <ChrisMorgan> Good :-)
04:05:53 <OliverK> bah
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04:36:28 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... I see what people meant by an issue with fonts in OpenOffice.org with formulae.
04:36:58 <JohnTHaller1> Known issue will be fixed in Rev 2
04:37:17 <ChrisMorgan> Now I've just got to work out how to fix it temporarily
04:39:25 <ChrisMorgan> Better... still doesn't look right as this machine doesn't have ClearType. :-(
04:40:20 <JohnTHaller1> Ew
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04:40:43 <ChrisMorgan> It does look much worse than I think it should. But the brackets look like brackets rather than Chinese characters once more.
04:47:01 <JohnTHaller> OpenSymbol isn't the best-designed font.
04:58:42 <ChrisMorgan> It all looks /so/ much better under Linux.
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05:00:02 <gringoloco> hello
05:00:08 <ChrisMorgan> Hey gringoloco
05:00:10 <sar3th> hi gringoloco
05:01:14 <gringoloco> @ChrisMorgan:I am just wondering now, do you know about the EnumIni plug-in
05:01:19 <gringoloco> ?
05:01:21 <ChrisMorgan> No
05:01:37 <ChrisMorgan> And I don't think I really want to. I like to avoid plug-ins wherever possible and reasonable. :-)
05:03:24 <gringoloco> Ok just wanted to let you know, it's been sitting there for ages, on the Unicode NSIS development forum topic
05:03:45 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm. What can it do?
05:05:02 <ChrisMorgan> Just iterate through an INI section?
05:05:36 <gringoloco> It reads the entries & values of a given section to the stack! I believe it's a pretty small plug-in !
05:05:56 <ChrisMorgan> I imagine it's using kernel32::GetPrivateProfileSection.
05:06:02 <ChrisMorgan> Just like I'm now playing with.
05:06:11 <gringoloco> no mather they are utf-16 or ansi (I think)
05:07:28 <gringoloco> Yes, but what you are playing with, has the option to call a function after each value is read !
05:07:53 <ChrisMorgan> I don't like that structure. I like it inline, LogicLib style :-)
05:08:01 <JohnTHaller> I've just about got the drive picker working properly for all cases (last option is "Select a custom location" and brings up the standard install location form): http://portableapps.com/temp/installerdrive.png
05:08:24 <ChrisMorgan> Oooo!
05:08:42 <JohnTHaller> It'll auto-select a drive that already has it as well (as it did in this case)
05:09:53 <JohnTHaller> PORTABLEAPP shows up in all caps since it is a FAT32 drive. I'm gonna add in a check for autorun.inf as well, I think. We'll see if it bogs down on CDs and such.
05:10:04 <JohnTHaller> Oh wait, it won't since I exclude them.
05:10:10 <ChrisMorgan> The only thing I'm concerned about with using GetPrivateProfileSection is that we'll get an 8K (4K for Unicode files) character limit in each section.
05:10:51 <ChrisMorgan> There's a physical limit in the function of 32K but due to NSIS_MAX_STRLEN we'll be limited more.
05:11:09 <ChrisMorgan> This limit is avoided with my current file reading method.
05:12:40 <gringoloco> 4k should do you fine, should be a fair amount of PAL options .
05:12:57 <ChrisMorgan> This is for things like FilesMove and DirectoriesMove.
05:13:03 <ChrisMorgan> It should be fine.
05:15:23 <gringoloco> Anyway let me know, if you do decide to use the plug-in. I should still give it a ones over.
05:15:44 <ChrisMorgan> It's remotely possible I'll look at its source... I dare say I won't get round to it though.
05:15:55 <ChrisMorgan> How's FTP going? I saw you'd put up a few things with it.
05:17:28 <gringoloco> Two things, or I am doing something wrong or it's my conection.
05:18:34 <gringoloco> Every time I want to upload some thing, FileZilla gets half way, and then decides it will start all over again ....
05:18:55 <ChrisMorgan> It does that sometimes when there's a bad connection.
05:19:12 <ChrisMorgan> The command-line tool 'ftp' is extremely reliable. I'd recommend it.
05:19:23 <gringoloco> But even if it gets to 100%, it just starts over, like 5 or 6 times.
05:19:46 <gringoloco> What's it called, the command-line tool ?
05:19:48 <ChrisMorgan> It decides it got lost somewhere...
05:19:50 <ChrisMorgan> 'ftp'
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05:21:37 <gringoloco> Arghh, it's monday morning over here, have to go to work ....
05:21:42 <ChrisMorgan> Bye
05:21:53 <OliverK> its monday morning here as well
05:22:25 <gringoloco> In about 20 min, but just hate monday mornings.
05:22:41 <OliverK> mondays universally bite
05:22:57 <OliverK> however, if we got rid of mondays, then whatever we replaced it with would suck!
05:23:06 <OliverK> better to stick with mondays sucking
05:23:52 <sar3th> yup
05:23:53 <OliverK> hey ChrisMorgan, question
05:24:14 <OliverK> otherwise tuesday (which already suck) would doubly suck
05:25:17 <ChrisMorgan> I don't see what's wrong with any of the days :-0
05:25:20 <ChrisMorgan> s/0/)/
05:25:33 <OliverK> then /me thinks chrismorgan has no life
05:25:35 <OliverK> muhahah
05:25:42 <ChrisMorgan> Rubbidge :-)
05:27:06 <ChrisMorgan> Anyhow, what be your queschun?
05:27:15 <OliverK> are you a question everywhere?
05:27:19 <OliverK> or just on the forums :p
05:27:33 <OliverK> I am a Christian and a developer and moderator here.
05:27:35 <OliverK> :)
05:27:55 <ChrisMorgan> Your question is not making sense to me.
05:28:00 <ChrisMorgan> Is it one?
05:28:05 <OliverK> your sentence
05:28:15 <OliverK> it says "I am a Christian and a developer and moderator here."
05:28:19 <ChrisMorgan> Correct.
05:28:28 <OliverK> here implies on the forums, but doesn't imply everywhere else
05:28:53 <ChrisMorgan> That is grammatically correct, indicating that I am a Christian (everywhere) and here, a developer and moderator.
05:29:05 * OliverK doubts that
05:29:13 <ChrisMorgan> If it were all three only here the first instance of "and" would become a comma.
05:29:26 <OliverK> semi colon
05:29:37 <OliverK> but at any rate it could be said better
05:29:48 <OliverK> confuses us backwoods midwestern country types
05:29:56 <ChrisMorgan> It could be put with a semi-colon instead of the "and" but I think the "and" is more grammatically correct.
05:30:10 * OliverK is not a english major
05:30:15 <OliverK> and i still tihnk its wrong
05:30:16 <OliverK> but whatever
05:30:23 * OliverK won't stop ChrisMorgan
05:30:38 <ChrisMorgan> :-)
05:32:02 <JohnTHaller> You two mind taking a look at a logo update?
05:32:13 <ChrisMorgan> Sure
05:32:18 <OliverK> you bet
05:32:23 <sar3th> :D
05:32:28 <OliverK> to much work :p
05:32:32 <OliverK> I definately mind it
05:32:33 <ChrisMorgan> This having fizzled out, maybe we'll find something to disagree on there ;-)
05:32:34 <JohnTHaller> It's not quite finished. The theme is only partially done. The eject and close buttons in particular are more placeholders.
05:32:37 <OliverK> hehe
05:32:51 <OliverK> lol, lemme see it.
05:32:56 <JohnTHaller> PMed
05:33:01 <OliverK> thanks
05:33:27 <ChrisMorgan> I reckon it looks too dark (the theme). I like the current one more.
05:33:29 <OliverK> dark
05:33:36 <sar3th> i like it this way
05:33:38 * OliverK likes it kinda
05:33:38 <ChrisMorgan> As for the logo... hmm. It's just... different.
05:33:52 <OliverK> i wouldn't mind having a copy myself :)
05:33:59 <JohnTHaller> We're looking at the logo people... not the theme :-P
05:34:03 <OliverK> lol
05:34:07 <OliverK> is there a better picture?
05:34:23 <OliverK> it looks kinda pixelish to me
05:34:28 <OliverK> but neat
05:34:32 <OliverK> i like the bas copy
05:34:33 <JohnTHaller> better how? We're starting with the menu. The top part is about done, actually. That's gonna be the new look of it all.
05:34:40 <JohnTHaller> bas?
05:34:53 <OliverK> i don't know what I meant to type
05:34:55 <OliverK> lemme think
05:35:04 <ChrisMorgan> I think I prefer the current "PortableApps.com" text; it looks a bit streaky in the middle with the metalish effect.
05:35:05 <JohnTHaller> heh
05:35:06 <OliverK> maybe I meant to say base idea
05:35:07 <OliverK> that sounds right
05:35:22 <OliverK> yeah, the metalish looks kinda streaky on the text
05:35:33 <OliverK> if there was more (or larger text) it might look okay
05:35:40 <ChrisMorgan> And the logo looks a bit crystalish. I like the... differentish sort of contrast on the current logo.
05:35:59 <ChrisMorgan> The new slogan text looks better than the old.
05:36:33 <JohnTHaller> Here is current for comparison: http://portableapps.com/files/images/screenshots/platform1.6.png
05:36:36
05:37:24 <JohnTHaller> Ok reload the new one... small change/refinement.
05:37:34 <OliverK> better
05:37:36 <OliverK> i like that
05:37:44 <OliverK> reminds me of a steel ball :)
05:37:54 <OliverK> not so pixelized\crystalized\whatever
05:37:55 <JohnTHaller> Slightly less sheen. Supposed to look metal-ish, though.
05:38:06 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, I phrased it as it looked a little over-exposed.
05:38:38 <JohnTHaller> It's a little more red now, too
05:38:45 <ChrisMorgan> I think all up I prefer the current one. The only thing I think I prefer on the new one is the "Your digital life..." bit but I'm not sure how it'd look on the old..
05:38:51 <JohnTHaller> Our designer and I are working off dropbox, so I can see his updates live
05:39:20 <OliverK> drop the bar in the middle of the "portableapps.com"
05:39:24 <OliverK> looks goofy :p
05:39:26 <ChrisMorgan> The glow at the bottom of the new logo just doesn't feel right
05:39:27 <OliverK> ")
05:39:28 <OliverK> :)
05:39:36 * OliverK likes the glow
05:39:42 <OliverK> this one looks nice
05:39:54 <OliverK> JohnTHaller: why does pnotes have the camstudio icon?
05:39:57 <ChrisMorgan> I reckon it makes the logo feel black and white where before it had a bit of colour in it.
05:43:43 <JohnTHaller> ok reload again. PA.c line is less metallic and more just white now
05:44:02 <OliverK> looks good
05:44:04 <OliverK> i like it
05:44:40 <ChrisMorgan> That's better
05:44:50 <ChrisMorgan> The glow under the logo has grown though...
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05:44:56 <ChrisMorgan> under/in
05:47:55 <JohnTHaller> ok reload... glow turned back down on the bottom of the icon
05:48:40 <ChrisMorgan> And the bar on the text back on too!
05:49:09 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, but pulled back a bit.
05:49:40 <JohnTHaller> still not digging it? OliverK, sar3th?
05:49:43 <ChrisMorgan> I reckon it all looks fine as far as the logo's concerned. I /think/ It'll look better like that in the tray on XP with Blue; probably on Vista (Black) too.
05:49:58 <OliverK> JohnTHaller: i said it looked good awhile ago :p
05:50:05 <JohnTHaller> The old one looks kind... flat... on Win7
05:50:09 <OliverK> [00:39] OliverK: this one looks nice
05:50:12 <OliverK> :)
05:50:27 <OliverK> i like the dark tone of it
05:50:28 <ChrisMorgan> I was wondering about that
05:50:30 <JohnTHaller> We've been tweaking :-P Any opinions on the subtle line through PA.c?
05:50:44 <OliverK> don't care for it
05:50:48 <OliverK> your choice though
05:50:54 <OliverK> as always :p
05:51:09 * OliverK doens't have his win 7 laptop on to look
05:51:15 <ChrisMorgan> I think the logo's fine. I just reckon that it's ending up a bit black-and-white.
05:51:21 <OliverK> hehe
05:51:23 <OliverK> looks fine to me
05:51:39 <OliverK> i just cleaned my monitor this morning or the other day so colors are nice and sharp :)
05:52:01 <JohnTHaller> We were talking about the icon appearing in the taskbar in Win7. The old one looks kinda flat there
05:52:08 <ChrisMorgan> It would.
05:52:15 <OliverK> i think it will fit in
05:52:16 <ChrisMorgan> The new one would look much better there.
05:52:46 <ChrisMorgan> I'd just like it with a tinge of colour. Not sure if that can be arranged in a nice way though.
05:53:12 <JohnTHaller> we're trying to make it more basic, so it can go with all themes.
05:53:24 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... good point
05:53:45 <ChrisMorgan> The problem with the things I said before is that the more I stare at it the more I like it :P
05:54:24 <ChrisMorgan> I'm afraid the same doesn't go for the theme though. But we're not talking about that :D
05:54:37 <JohnTHaller> I know. same here. The first time I saw it I was like, ow... no way... too metally sharpish. But now I like it.
05:54:49 <ChrisMorgan> Exactly
05:55:24 <JohnTHaller> still hate the line through PA.c?
05:55:27 <ChrisMorgan> And the little bit (when it's more it doesn't as much) of glow gives the arrow a z-index.
05:55:30 <OliverK> yeah
05:55:45 <JohnTHaller> The issue is that the font is kinda big and flat. So we're trying to give it some dimension. We don't really have the time to swap the font for a new one.
05:55:47 <ChrisMorgan> Not hate. It's dulling on me too, but I still think it'd be better toned down more.
05:56:07 <OliverK> i just don't like the strip through the middle
05:56:09 <ChrisMorgan> There's the possibility of a slight grey at the top down to white?
05:56:11 <OliverK> its not a skunk :p
05:56:23 <ChrisMorgan> That might go with the general red background fade?
05:56:27 <JohnTHaller> I just suggested that about a minute ago... and it's our next step, ChrisMorgan
05:56:43 <JohnTHaller> "What about a super-subtle gradient from white at the bottom to a hair of gray off-white at the top?"
05:56:44 <OliverK> bed time nao
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05:57:00 <ChrisMorgan> home time nao
05:57:07 <ChrisMorgan> In a few minutes anyway
05:57:36 <JohnTHaller> I need sleep soon. 2am
05:57:38 <ChrisMorgan> Possibly also a slightly radial gradient so that it's a bit more grey in the top left than towards the right
05:57:58 <ChrisMorgan> I think we're all going to crash :-)
06:00:04 <ChrisMorgan> Bye, I'm heading off now.
06:00:26 <JohnTHaller> ok reload again
06:00:28 <JohnTHaller> awww
06:00:29 <ChrisMorgan> So: a bit of assignment done, new ForEachINIPair drafted and ready for testing
06:00:35 <ChrisMorgan> OK, waiting for a minute
06:00:37 <JohnTHaller> Ah nice
06:00:48 <JohnTHaller> Reload it. The gray is moved up top as a gradient.
06:01:40 <ChrisMorgan> I'm just trying to work out if it's just me or if there's no change...
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06:02:23 <ChrisMorgan> And I think my answer is it didn't change at all
06:02:34 <sar3th> i like it like this :)
06:02:37 <sar3th> ChrisMorgan: reload?
06:02:50 <ChrisMorgan> I did, the bar is still there
06:02:57 <JohnTHaller> It's a gradient now... or should be
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06:03:09 <JohnTHaller> still looks like a line to me, though... and less subtle
06:03:48 <ChrisMorgan> Doesn't appear to have changed at all insofar as I can tell at high-contrast level (i.e. 170 degrees vertical to monitor)
06:04:41 <ChrisMorgan> Sorry, I really need to go now.
06:04:52 <JohnTHaller> no worries. thanks man
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10:44:37 <Usbtastic> hello, i have been away for a while and was wondering if there has been any beta\preview release of the PortableApps Updater?
10:46:07 <Oni-Neoxes> still in alpha I see
10:46:30 <Usbtastic> thanks. have you a link to download it?
10:47:30 <Oni-Neoxes> http://portableapps.com/node/12722
10:48:31 <Usbtastic> oh, that looks like a very old one from 2008.
10:51:12 <Oni-Neoxes> oh wow
10:51:16 <Oni-Neoxes> just noticed that
10:52:07 <Usbtastic> no worries. i'll assume there's been no recent release.
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11:06:00 <Simeon> hi all
11:07:02 <taneth111> hiya.
11:08:54 <Simeon> hi taneth111
11:25:14 <Simeon> ZachThibeau are you here?
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16:37:52 <hsnopi> Hello all. Got XAMPP up and running and everything is super awesome. Any reccommendations on a good way to password protect the entire drive?
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22:22:43 <win7uz0r> hey everybody
22:23:15 <win7uz0r> i've recently moved to win7 from win xp and now I have a problem with setting firefox portable as a default browser
22:23:47 <win7uz0r> when I was on XP I used small utility for that, but it doesn't work on win7 :(
22:23:48 <sar3th> please describe it win7uz0r
22:24:36 <win7uz0r> ok, here is the problem: 1. I have win7 2. I use portable firefox 3. I can not set firefoxportable to be default browser
22:25:23 <win7uz0r> if I try to make it default right from firefox - it makes firefox.exe default browser, not firefoxportable.exe
22:25:45 <win7uz0r> simply changing firefox.exe to firefoxportable.exe in file associations - is wrong
22:27:21 <win7uz0r> I used this utility: http://www.winhelponline.com/blog/how-to-set-firefox-portable-as-the-default-browser-in-windows-xp/
22:27:44 <Gizmokid2005> win7uz0r: setting firefoxportable.exe is the way to do it...though it's not the most graceful way
22:28:11 <win7uz0r> oh sh1t, I just saw a similar topic corresponding to vista on that site
22:28:16 <Gizmokid2005> because when you set it as the default browser, and windows uses the file association to launch the browser, it just passes the info via CLI and the PortableApps.com launcher picks it up
22:28:19 <win7uz0r> seems like they already got a decision
22:28:48 <win7uz0r> this trick didn't work on XP
22:28:55 <win7uz0r> i mean the one u describe
22:29:04 <Gizmokid2005> that's all that utility did.
22:29:18 <win7uz0r> because there should be something like "firefoxportable.exe %1@
22:29:21 <win7uz0r> because there should be something like "firefoxportable.exe %1"
22:29:31 <win7uz0r> sorry for double posting
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22:50:01 <ZachThibeau> hola Scriptdaemon
22:50:14 <Scriptdaemon> 'Ello.
22:50:23 <Scriptdaemon> How was your weekend?
22:50:26 <ZachThibeau> compiling gtk from source is a pain -_-
22:50:56 <Scriptdaemon> I can imagine. lol
22:51:15 <Scriptdaemon> Blood Frontier is almost ready for a first DT. :)
22:51:52 <ZachThibeau> I updated my gcc version in mingw to 4.5.0 and the current gtk library I have from gtk.org isn't compatible with that gcc so I have to recompile from source to make it compatible
22:52:24 <Scriptdaemon> Ah.
22:52:25 <ZachThibeau> but my gtk will be 2.20 which isn't available on windows atm :P so in a sense I'm getting a leg up on getting it out for PChat
22:53:02 <Scriptdaemon> Is the tray icon fixed in GTK yet? =P
22:53:10 <ZachThibeau> nope
22:53:20 <Scriptdaemon> Is it only a problem in Windows?
22:53:57 <ZachThibeau> iirc yes, but maybe once I update to gtk 2.20 it may resolve itself since gtk 2.20 removes all depreciated variables etc
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22:54:16 <win7uz0r> just wanted to say that the prog worked. Now I'm happy.
22:54:31 <win7uz0r> http://www.winhelponline.com/blog/register-firefox-portable-with-default-programs-in-vista/
22:54:32 <Scriptdaemon> Hopefully, ZachThibeau.
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22:58:31 <ZachThibeau> I was thinking of for PChat wxwidgets using c++0x, I saw some of the coding style of it and it's much cleaner than the current c++ standard c99/c98
22:59:20 <Scriptdaemon> Yeah, it looks awesome. Do they have anything to compile it yet though?
22:59:39 <ZachThibeau> plus less lines of code and yeah the current gcc I just compiled support it
22:59:49 <Scriptdaemon> Awesome.
23:00:35 <Scriptdaemon> It had closures and lambda functions if I recall correctly, right?
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23:00:56 <ZachThibeau> I don't remember for sure
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23:44:19 <ZachThibeau> hola rmccue
23:44:27 * rmccue waves
23:45:01 * ZachThibeau grumbles at ciaro not compiling properly without finding pixman properly
23:46:27 <ZachThibeau> gtk compiling FTL
23:46:49 <ZachThibeau> taking me nearly 2 hours to almost complete the compile as I had to compile the deps first >_<
23:46:52 <Gizmokid2005> hello rmccue
23:47:03 * rmccue waves again
23:47:17 * Gizmokid2005 waves back
23:47:21 *** ptmb has quit (Quit: Bye)
23:48:27 <ZachThibeau> FINALLY Cairo has now been built
23:49:08 <ZachThibeau> now for the coup de grace gtk 2.20 ala custom mingw build