IRC Log from 2010-04-01

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00:00:42 <Scriptdaemon> I'll try now on the same drive with a different name than "settings."
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00:07:43 <ChrisMorgan> I expected it to work with "settings" on a different drive as it copies and then on the way back removes the directory and copies back.
00:08:05 <Scriptdaemon> Yeah, works on same drive with "Games" instead of "settings."
00:08:42 <ChrisMorgan> OK, work with that for the moment. I think I know why it is.
00:09:25 <Scriptdaemon> I think I'll keep it, unless you think "settings" makes more sense.
00:09:51 <Scriptdaemon> This should be ready for a DT now.
00:12:55 <ChrisMorgan> Can't work out immediately where settings is getting recreated.
00:13:40 <ChrisMorgan> Anyway, due to the Registry section I think I'm just going to say "Don't use 'settings' for DirectoriesMove"
00:13:51 <ChrisMorgan> A subdirectory of settings would be OK, but not settings itself.
00:15:29 <Scriptdaemon> Hmm, question. What if "My Games/Blood Frontier" (Or whatever for other apps) already exists? I back up the registry stuff before overwriting with Speccy Portable (assuming I do it right), but I don't recall seeing something similar for directories.
00:17:19 <Scriptdaemon> Unless it also goes under DirectoriesMove, but just in reverse?
00:21:11 <ChrisMorgan> It'll get backed up.
00:21:39 <ChrisMorgan> It would be backed up to My Games/Blood Frontier-BackupByBloodFrontierPortable
00:21:49 <ChrisMorgan> And if you don't believe me, try it :-)
00:21:51 <Scriptdaemon> Ah, k.
00:22:48 <Scriptdaemon> WHy do I have to do it manually for the registry settings then? (Unless I misunderstood what RegistryValueBackupDelete does)
00:22:52 <Scriptdaemon> Why*
00:25:17 <ChrisMorgan> If it's registry keys, you don't
00:25:25 <ChrisMorgan> [RegistryKeys] does backup automatically.
00:25:41 <ChrisMorgan> If you have just a single rubbish value though, then you use RegistryValueBackupDelete.
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00:27:24 <Scriptdaemon> Ah, cool. Removing RegistryValueBackupDelete then. >.>
00:27:56 <ChrisMorgan> Read the nice shiny new manual. It covers useful things like that ;-)
00:28:28 <ChrisMorgan> (Link to online version which is currently up to date is in the thread)
00:29:05 <Scriptdaemon> Will do.
00:30:39 <ChrisMorgan> http://portableapps.chrismorgan.info/portableapps/launcher/docs/topics/registry/ and http://portableapps.chrismorgan.info/portableapps/launcher/docs/ref/launcher.ini/registry/ are the links you want.
00:43:49 <Bloodsong> Hey CM
00:46:51 <ChrisMorgan> Hey Bloodsong. I don't think I know you?
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00:55:21 <Scriptdaemon> At some point I may need to find a new place to host my apps.
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00:57:05 <Horusofoz> Hey all :)
00:58:58 <Scriptdaemon> Hmm, I can't find the *product* version of Blood Frontier, and thus can't create the installer. *Looks for it again*
01:05:58 <Horusofoz> Scriptdaemon: Is Blood Frontier similar to Nexuiz?
01:06:56 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon: how big is the installer?
01:07:22 <Scriptdaemon> Horusofoz, yeah. It's based off the Cube 2 engine.
01:07:45 <Scriptdaemon> ChrisMorgan, one sec.
01:08:17 <Scriptdaemon> 403.1 MB.
01:10:23 <ChrisMorgan> OK, I don't think I'll offer you hosting!
01:10:34 <ChrisMorgan> That would go through mine rather quickly...
01:10:50 <ChrisMorgan> How're you planning on uploading it?
01:11:24 <ChrisMorgan> Something like FileZilla if you had FTP would be far too likely to drop out somewhere and restart... whereas the command line "ftp" would work fairly well.
01:12:26 <Scriptdaemon> I don't know of any bandwidth limitations for Dropbox, just space. I'll start it there, I suppose.
01:13:21 <Scriptdaemon> Everyone seems idle in their IRC channel, so I'l just put 0.85.0.0 for now.
01:13:46 <Scriptdaemon> I'll*
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01:21:56 <ChrisMorgan> I would be *very* surprised if Dropbox had no limit.
01:22:39 <ChrisMorgan> It might even come under a Terms of Use contract.
01:23:30 <ChrisMorgan> https://www.dropbox.com/help/45
01:25:45 <Horusofoz_> Got d/c so didn't see if you responded Scriptdaemon. How different is Blood Frontier from Nexuiz?
01:26:22 <ChrisMorgan> Horusofoz_: he didn't say anything about it after the "based off the Cube 2 engine"
01:27:11 <Horusofoz_> ChrisMorgan: Thanks. My FFP siezed so didn't actually see that.
01:27:31 <Horusofoz_> *seize
01:27:41 <Scriptdaemon> http://www.bloodfrontier.com/ There's a video if you want.
01:28:24 <Scriptdaemon> ChrisMorgan, yeah, no limit, but I guess too much will get my account flagged. :(
01:28:41 <Horusofoz_> Youtube is blocked where I'm at.
01:28:54 <ChrisMorgan> Yep, I'd suggest you ask them about it and wait for them to say no (or not respond).
01:29:05 <ChrisMorgan> It's /possible/ they might say yes.
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01:30:27 <Scriptdaemon> I'll do that.
01:30:42 <Scriptdaemon> Horusofoz_, if you like Nexuiz I think you'll like Blood Frontier.
01:31:03 <Horusofoz_> Swwet :)
01:31:11 <Horusofoz_> *Sweet lol
01:32:55 <ZachThibeau> currently playing half life 2 ep 1 for the first time since I just bought it yesterday and for the first time going through the game is enough to make you jump out of your skin a little :P
01:35:07 <Scriptdaemon> Just wait until you play EP 2.
01:37:40 <ZachThibeau> I have it too
01:38:10 <ZachThibeau> worse of all I never played the first half life game lol
01:40:22 <Scriptdaemon> Pfft.
01:40:23 <Scriptdaemon> =P
01:44:12 <ZachThibeau> Visual Studio hates wxwidgets for some reason :/
01:44:27 <ZachThibeau> specifically wxaui and wxstc
01:44:35 <Scriptdaemon> Ew VS.
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01:45:31 <ZachThibeau> well I'm just using the compiler :P I'm using codeblocks as my front for it
01:46:31 <Scriptdaemon> Ew VS compiler.
01:47:04 <ZachThibeau> I know this is a compiler warning but... ..\..\src\stc\PlatWX.cpp(1430) : warning C4100: 'format' : unreferenced formal parameter I think I found a possible issue to why my text editor side project isn't linking to stc at least
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01:48:01 <Scriptdaemon> Hmm.
01:48:40 <ZachThibeau> and I use the vs compiler since it can compile properly for 64bit os's unlike mingw w64 (which is getting good but it's not there yet)
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01:52:42 <Scriptdaemon> Ah.
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02:33:49 <ChrisMorgan> Hey JohnTHaller
02:34:03 <ZachThibeau> howdy JohnTHaller
02:34:08 <JohnTHaller> hola
02:34:20 <JohnTHaller> popping in for an hour before bed (at a decent hour for a change)
02:34:46 <ChrisMorgan> Almost finished this MTH1030 assignment; then I need to ride into Uni to hand it in :-/ (I'm *only* going to Uni for that. Even though we all had to do it on a computer we can't submit it electronically!)
02:35:02 <ZachThibeau> I should try that some time I usually go to bed at 1am or 2am and getup at 6am for work
02:35:10 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: 'fraid I'll believe it when I see it :P
02:35:26 <JohnTHaller> for reals, man!
02:38:27 <ChrisMorgan> So, what time shall I remove you from the channel if you're still in? ;-)
02:38:38 <JohnTHaller> har har
02:40:56 <Scriptdaemon> JohnTHaller, where do you recommend I host Blood Frontier Portable (400+ MB) if Dropbox says no (I submitted a ticket about it)?
02:42:19 <JohnTHaller> is it OSS?
02:42:34 <Scriptdaemon> zlib, so yes.
02:42:54 <JohnTHaller> SF then
02:43:12 <Scriptdaemon> K.
02:43:55 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: What do you think about adding in path tracking to the PA.c launcher the way we have drive letter tracking?
02:44:12 <ChrisMorgan> I've been intending to do that.
02:44:24 <ChrisMorgan> I decided though that 2.0 has hit Feature Freeze.
02:44:28 <ChrisMorgan> So it's a 2.1 thing.
02:44:35 <JohnTHaller> path tracking as in the path to the PA.c launcher itself only (not worrying about App, Data, etc)
02:44:44 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah
02:44:57 <ChrisMorgan> So you can handle updating full directories rather than just drive letters in some apps.
02:45:02 <JohnTHaller> I've been thinking more about it for folks that are using dropbox and stuff, since it's become much more common.
02:45:21 <JohnTHaller> And making full path portability more the rule than the exception.
02:45:42 <ChrisMorgan> Yep
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02:45:52 <ChrisMorgan> That's what I've been trying to do as much as possible.
02:46:39 <Scriptdaemon> Yeah, I've seen a couple articles regarding how people just install portable apps to their Dropbox folders.
02:47:29 <ChrisMorgan> Another part of the reason why I want such support to be standard is Live mode. That's directory-level moving for at least Data.
02:49:11 <JohnTHaller> indeed
02:49:26 <JohnTHaller> how much work is it to add it on for 2.0 timewise do you think?
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02:52:50 <ChrisMorgan> I don't really want to add it for 2.0. I'd prefer to get 2.0 out and work for a fairly fast 2.1 with OS detection for "will it run at all?" and "run as admin?", directory saving and services and maybe one or two other things (maybe wildcards in File|DirectoryMove).
02:53:12 <ChrisMorgan> I don't know exactly how quickly you were planning on putting out Platform 2.0 though.
02:53:39 <ChrisMorgan> Next week is my mid-semester break and so I may get more time than I normally do here... or I may not, depends on how things pan out.
02:55:33 <ChrisMorgan> And then 2.2 when I rewrite it in C ;-)
02:55:38 <ChrisMorgan> Maybe not quite yet :P
02:55:54 <Scriptdaemon> Still uploading...
02:56:04 <Scriptdaemon> Next up is either Hydrogen or K-3D.
02:56:28 <ZachThibeau> k-3b :P
02:57:07 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon: did you get a chance to test (or look at the source and see) if it's "My Games" on all OS/lang combinations?
02:57:08 <Scriptdaemon> That one's more likely to go official, since Hydrogen's support for Windows is lacking a bit as I recall.
02:57:31 <Scriptdaemon> Not yet, thanks for remind me.
02:57:48 <JohnTHaller> Alright, if we leave it out, what's your ETA on b3?
02:58:00 <Scriptdaemon> THere's actually no folder for languages though, so I don't think it's multilingual (yet, it's a beta).
02:58:04 <ChrisMorgan> Possibly this afternoon after going to Uni.
02:58:06 <Scriptdaemon> There's*
02:58:12 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon: OS language, not its language
02:58:21 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: what do you think/know of http://portableapps.com/news/2010-03-16_-_amsn_portable_0.98.3#comment-146307 ?
02:59:46 <Scriptdaemon> I figured out what -r does though, btw. I also found some other parameters, in particular one that'll make Blood Frontier "kid safe." Think I should note it somewhere?
03:00:29 <Scriptdaemon> -r just loads a script before loading the client. When a file isn't specified, it loads init.cfg.
03:00:56 <ChrisMorgan> I'd say don't bother noting it.
03:01:08 <ChrisMorgan> Leave them to find it out themselves or otherwise know about it.
03:01:23 <Scriptdaemon> K.
03:01:33 <ChrisMorgan> Any chance or way you could use -r to make it so you don't need the settings in My Games?
03:02:14 <Scriptdaemon> You mean write a .bat file that redirects the settings, and load it with -r?
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03:03:26 <GizmoBot> Chazz is the guy who failed at developing stuff. :D
03:03:35 <Scriptdaemon> Geez. Still uploading. :(
03:04:06 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: Not too worried about it. It shows the local profiles in addition to the portable ones. I've noted it for fix in the next release (since I always have to update that). No one will ever run into it except on their own box since amsn has such a small userbase.
03:04:41 <JohnTHaller> Actually gonna be updating all apps in the next few weeks to new PAF, unicode, etc, so I'll probably nick it then.
03:05:27 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon: no, I was meaning using a different init.cfg which loaded the config from Data rather than My Games if it's possible. I doubt it but it's worth looking at.
03:06:37 <Scriptdaemon> Ah. Worth taking a look at.
03:06:45 <Scriptdaemon> Now, where is init.cfg...
03:09:24 <Scriptdaemon> Ah, if it doesn't exist I believe it's saved to My Games.
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03:10:09 <GizmoBot> Chazz is the guy who failed at developing stuff. :D
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03:13:58 <ChrisMorgan> That's what I'm wondering about.
03:14:11 <ChrisMorgan> What goes in My Games, is that /just/ init.cfg or something else?
03:15:41 <ChrisMorgan> And whether it is or not, is it loaded from init.cfg? If you answer "Yes" to all of these you may be able to do something like CommandLineArguments=-r "%PAL:DataDir%\Data\settings\init.cfg" and scrap the [DirectoriesMove] section completely.
03:16:04 <Scriptdaemon> Two .cfg files. I'm going to load it up again to see what it creates, but:
03:16:06 <Scriptdaemon> -h<path>: sets your home directory to <path>. If set, the engine will look for files in your home directory as well as the normal installation directory. However, all files will be written to your home directory, instead of the normal installation directory.
03:16:45 <Scriptdaemon> That referring to settings, or core data files you think?
03:18:14 <ChrisMorgan> I'd say that's what you want. Settings. Otherwise why would it save them to your home directory?
03:18:37 <ChrisMorgan> -h"%PAL:DataDir%\Data\settings" (possibly without the quotes but probably with)
03:21:36 <Scriptdaemon> I don't believe the quotes are necessary. Testing it out now.
03:23:20 <ChrisMorgan> If in doubt, use quotes or make sure it works on a path with a space in it.
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03:30:18 <JohnTHaller> gnight all
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03:32:15 <Scriptdaemon> Hmm. Not working (with and without quotes).
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03:33:00 <Scriptdaemon> For multiple arguments, CommandLineArguments=-h"%PAL:DataDir%\settings" -r is correct right?
03:33:18 <ChrisMorgan> I would imagine so
03:34:56 <ChrisMorgan> You may not need -r. I'd say it's there so that /if/ the user provides an argument it'll be interpreted as that file.
03:37:15 <Scriptdaemon> Is it possible that it is unable to write to settings?
03:37:39 <Scriptdaemon> Because My Games is not leftover in my documents still.
03:37:54 <Scriptdaemon> Testing...
03:39:10 <Scriptdaemon> Nope, not working with Games either.
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03:41:55 <Horusofoz_> Ciao
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03:44:13 <Scriptdaemon> How odd.
03:44:25 <Scriptdaemon> Maybe -h itself is bugged?
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03:44:35 <Scriptdaemon> I'll debug in a minute.
03:55:07 <ChrisMorgan> Try running it directly to see.
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04:01:34 <GizmoBot> Gizmokid2005 is working on KVIrc Portable: http://portableapps.com/node/18626
04:03:50 <Scriptdaemon> Meh. I'll work on this some more tomorrow.
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04:20:13 <Scriptdaemon> ChrisMorgan|away, doesn't seem to be working directly either. (Well, I had to use the original .bat file otherwise it would complain about not finding the core textures).
04:20:28 <Scriptdaemon> I'll ask in their IRC channel tomorrow.
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05:42:29 <fhdfhddh> don't mind me, just testing something... can anyone please tell if you can see this post?
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05:53:01 <pa_5763> hello?
05:53:35 <fhdfhddh> pa_5763, can you see my post? I'm testing something and am just about to leave... But noone is here it seems
05:53:54 <pa_5763> yes, I can.
05:53:58 <fhdfhddh> and hello to you, too :)
05:54:06 <pa_5763> :)
05:54:15 <fhdfhddh> do you need help?
05:54:28 <pa_5763> yes. how do you get more apps?
05:55:07 <fhdfhddh> well, you download them from this site, or you can download any other portable software
05:55:37 <fhdfhddh> and just put it into PortableApps folder of your USB drie where you installed the Platform
05:55:55 <pa_5763> could you give me a link to this site where there are more apps?
05:56:35 <fhdfhddh> Well, you are already on it (portableapps.com), just click on applications then
05:57:16 <pa_5763> the only download i see is the suite download.
05:57:34 <fhdfhddh> here is the link> http://portableapps.com/apps
05:57:47 <fhdfhddh> there are the apps which you can download
05:57:58 <pa_5763> thanks! goodbye!
05:58:04 <fhdfhddh> bye :)
05:58:10 <fhdfhddh> welcome
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05:59:10 <ChrisMorgan> There. I got my assignment in. Ride 12.5km to Uni, deliver assignment, ride 12.5km back home.
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06:05:52 <dboki89> Hey Chris, are you here?
06:08:31 <ChrisMorgan> Yep
06:08:38 <dboki89> I just wanted to ask/say something about Foxit Reader and Wine.
06:08:49 <dboki89> On the FRP's page it says that it runs under Wine, but has no toolbar
06:09:01 <dboki89> I just run it for more than half an hour
06:09:06 <dboki89> and it has a toolbar
06:09:16 <dboki89> and works perfectly :)
06:09:28 <ChrisMorgan> Probably a copy and paste issue. I seem to recall another application mentioning that.
06:09:31 <ChrisMorgan> I'll check it out.
06:09:37 <dboki89> OK :)
06:10:03 <dboki89> I had that issue in VLC Portable (no toolbar), it might be from there...
06:14:17 <ChrisMorgan> How about KeePass and Sumatra? Have you tried them?
06:14:41 <dboki89> Oh, yea, if it matters I'm not running the latest Wine. I compilled a version from 1.1.3x series, and AFAIK it's now 1.1.4x. My version is fairly recent, but not the latest
06:14:43 <ChrisMorgan> (I'm asking about these two because of http://www.google.com.au/search?q=site:portableapps.com/apps+wine+"no+toolbar"; - I imagine one is correct and the other is due to copy and paste)
06:14:56 <dboki89> KeePass doesn't work
06:15:00 <ChrisMorgan> 1.1.3* should be fine
06:15:03 <ChrisMorgan> Doesn't work at all?
06:15:07 <dboki89> for Sumatra please wait a little
06:15:25 <dboki89> No, KeePass won't even launch for me
06:15:28 <ChrisMorgan> I'm just a little busy otherwise I'd try them myself (as I'm in Linux...).
06:16:20 <ChrisMorgan> For myself I just installed KeePassX under Ubuntu and continued using my kdb file. I haven't tried KeePass Portable.
06:17:22 <dboki89> Yea, I'm using KeePassX, too, since KeePass Portable didn't work for me
06:17:30 <dboki89> Sumatra seems to work
06:17:42 <dboki89> there's the toolbar, <I'm just trying with a PDF file now
06:19:12 <dboki89> Yea, Sumatra seems to works just as good as FoxitReader
06:19:41 <dboki89> I opened some pdf files, they are displayed nicely, toolbar and all the options are there...
06:19:59 <ChrisMorgan> OK. I'll go ahead and remove the (no toolbar) note and change KeePass to say (not Wine)
06:20:07 <dboki89> Nice :) Simply nice :)
06:20:13 <ChrisMorgan> And VLC works fine?
06:20:29 <dboki89> again, haven't tried under versions of wine 1.1.4x!
06:20:34 <dboki89> no, vlc doesn't
06:20:42 <dboki89> I'll try anyway
06:20:45 <dboki89> just in case
06:21:04 <ChrisMorgan> Don't worry.
06:24:06 <dboki89> VLC Player takes longer to load, and acts funny a bit, there is no toolbar, but it just might play a file, so I'm still trying.
06:25:24 <ChrisMorgan> Foxit and Sumatra pages updated to remove the (no toolbar) note, KeePass updated to say won't launch
06:25:24 <ChrisMorgan> Don't worry about it
06:25:32 <dboki89> OK, it just gave bugs and errors for me and didn't want to playa .MP4 file...
06:25:37 <dboki89> VLC Player
06:26:40 <dboki89> if you are interested, I can copy/paste the text from some of my "research" of PA.c apps performing under Wine
06:27:27 <ChrisMorgan> If you're wanting to suggest changes to the application directory, it's probably easier to send me an email (see my user page for it)
06:28:27 <dboki89> ok, I'm not currently logged in to PA.com, so I'll do it later on
06:28:45 <dboki89> I was checking how PChat does under Wine, that's why I'm here actually
06:31:02 <dboki89> Well, ("my work is done here :) "), I'm off now... Take care :)
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06:32:34 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com developer and moderator and works on the PortableApps.com Launcher (please test it!)
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08:43:00 <pa_3808> hello
08:43:31 <pa_3808> anybody home?
08:44:23 <pa_3808> help!
08:44:23 <GizmoBot> pa_3808: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
08:46:23 <pa_3808> this isn't related to what you'd normally expect, but, I have a corrupted usb flash, which used to have a capacity of 4gb....
08:46:53 <pa_3808> but now, it can only contain 249 mb....
08:47:04 <pa_3808> so how do i fix it?
08:56:34 <pa_3808> hello! anyone there?!
08:56:47 <pa_3808> HELLLLLOOOOOOOO!
08:57:54 <pa_3808> isn't anybody going to answer me? no offense.
08:58:32 <pa_3808> snfasksd
08:58:44 <pa_3808> anyone here?
08:59:15 <pa_3808> hello?
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08:59:46 <pa_0332> hello!
09:00:38 <pa_0332> anybody there?
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09:40:42 <ChrisMorgan> Hello, pa_9793! Can we help you with anything?
09:41:04 <pa_9793> I have a question about the start menu.
09:41:51 <pa_9793> All apps are presented in one big list, is it possible to sort them in a way, or have them in seperate folders.
09:42:12 <pa_9793> I mean like a folder 'Edit' for editor apps....
09:42:35 <ChrisMorgan> That's coming in the next release.
09:42:53 <pa_9793> Thanx, when is this release expected ?
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10:34:10 <GizmoBot> MaienM is MaienM. He is the developer of The Mana World Portable, and he has a website at http://mmfail.co.cc/
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11:40:51 <pa_1966> hello all
11:41:18 <pa_1966> help
11:42:08 <pa_1966> I need help on customised application on PortableApp
11:45:46 <sar3th> please explain pa_1966
12:15:09 <pa_1966> I have a basic doubt, does this PortableApp works similar to Ceedo and U3
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12:56:17 <pa_1650> Hello, I need help on customised application for PortableApps
12:57:00 <pa_1650> Basic question is that I have seen Ceedo, Does PortableApps functions in similar way
13:07:26 <dbdii407> pa_1650, Let me explain to you what I know. :)
13:08:15 <dbdii407> PortableApps is your regular application, made portable through a launcher. Which redirects where the app stores it's data.
13:08:55 <dbdii407> As, I have no clue what Ceedo is.
13:09:24 <pa_1650> Pls check this link http://www.everythingusb.com/ceedo.html
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13:37:21 <Simeon> hi all
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13:47:57 <sar3th> hi Simeon
13:48:11 <Simeon> hi
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13:52:17 <sar3th> happy april fool's day Simeon ;)
13:53:00 <Simeon> :) Did you see the one about the end of the internet: http://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/internetabschaltung100.html ???
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13:57:25 * Bloodsong considers packaging a portable freenet...
13:58:05 <Bloodsong> http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/internetabschaltung100.html&ei=Xaa0S-K3BJLANu3p9ZIJ&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAkQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/internetabschaltung100.html%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DCp0%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-ca:official
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14:02:19 <sar3th> nice find Simeon...even though it's not as unrealistic, as one might think first :(
14:02:37 <Simeon> thats what I like about it-it is pretty realistic
14:02:49 <Simeon> and I like the video they link to as an explanation
14:05:08 <sar3th> Simeon: http://ipv6.he.net/statistics/
14:06:27 <dbdii407> kai_62656, PM?
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14:29:28 <kai_62656> dbdii407: you wanted a PM?
14:29:38 <dbdii407> Yes.
14:29:45 <kai_62656> do so
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18:27:07 <JohnTHaller> hola
18:30:49 <Bloodsong> Hola
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18:42:37 <gringoloco> Hola
18:43:39 <gringoloco> JTH: just want to let you know, the official EmbeddedList plug-in came out for unicode !
18:44:04 <gringoloco> Maybe it fixes your bug, http://nsis.sourceforge.net/EmbeddedLists_plug-in
18:46:13 <JohnTHaller> Ah nice nice
18:47:02 <JohnTHaller> Good, today is the day I'm switching my build env over to Unicode :-)
18:47:16 <JohnTHaller> I'm pushing out the 1.6.1 patch and then announcing the dropping of Win9x.
18:49:04 <gringoloco> PAM, you mean ?
18:50:32 <JohnTHaller> everything, really. I'm switching over to unicode for launchers and releasing a PA.c Installer Unicode beta today which we'll be using going forward.
18:51:19 <gringoloco> You didn't report your embeddedlists bug, thought ! Aren't you a member of the NSIS forum http://forums.winamp.com/forumdisplay.php?f=65
18:51:54 <gringoloco> Nice, nice...
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19:06:22 <Gizmokid2005> Sounds like a busy day for you too JohnTHaller!
19:24:33 <ZachThibeau> howdy JohnTHaller
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20:00:25 <Simeon> hi all
20:15:59 <JohnTHaller> hi back
20:16:05 <Simeon> hi John
20:17:23 <Gizmokid2005> hi Simeon
20:17:25 <Gizmokid2005> wb JohnTHaller :)
20:18:01 <JohnTHaller> went for a walk in the sun and to grab a bite. nice to have a 70 degree day for a change
20:18:19 <Simeon> we had that in the last days :)
20:18:21 <Gizmokid2005> No doubt JohnTHaller :) It's 80F here now, and supposed to be even warmer tomorrow :)
20:18:50 <JohnTHaller> it's a treat in NYC at the moment
20:19:07 <Gizmokid2005> same here
20:19:11 <Gizmokid2005> avg high here is 53F
20:20:47 <Simeon> Did/Can anyone reproduce this: http://portableapps.com/node/23109#comment-146287 ?
20:21:46 <JohnTHaller> I haven't tried it
20:22:28 <Simeon> too bad chris isnt here - I dont want to distract you from your work on the platform ;)
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20:35:41 <Simeon> hi vf2nsr
20:36:25 <vf2nsr> Hi all
20:37:08 <vf2nsr> just posted my repakage of Penguin COmmand a knock off of missile command
20:37:44 <vf2nsr> wow I need a typo checker lol
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20:57:37 <Simeon> hi gringoloco
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20:59:08 <Gringoloco> @Simeon: I can't rproduce it !!! Are you using the latest download from the Development repository ?
20:59:30 <Simeon> i think i was but maybe not.
20:59:56 <Simeon> lemme try again
21:00:26 <Gringoloco> There should be a new macro for 'ForEachINIPair' !
21:00:41 <Simeon> i was using the old one
21:01:07 <Gringoloco> Have you got mercurial ?
21:01:18 <Simeon> i have wraithdus pack
21:01:29 <Gringoloco> What's that ?
21:03:38 <Gringoloco> What pack is that ?
21:05:00 <Simeon> i am trying to find it. It was in the forums. Its basically the mercurial exes and a bat that tell it to pull the launcher files from sf.net
21:05:35 <Gringoloco> http://portableapps.com/node/22537#comment-144525
21:06:00 <Simeon> :) gues its your package then :)
21:06:06 <Simeon> sorry.
21:06:42 <Gringoloco> No worries, but probably it's quite important to update it regularly !
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21:07:08 <Simeon> a always delete the launcher and have it pull the whole thing anew caus the update didnt work once
21:07:39 <Gringoloco> I know, got to ask Chris what's wrong with the update command
21:07:56 <vf2nsr> Gringoloco, thanks for your help yesterday between you and OliverK and finally Chris we got it straightened out SO I have released my repacked into development, and even creddited you and the rest in the help file :)
21:08:02 <Simeon> ONe problem. UnicodeNSIS cant readthe AppiD from the appinfo.ini. Weired
21:08:29 <Gringoloco> Just delete the empty lines from the appinfo.ini
21:08:40 <Gringoloco> it's a NSIS 2.45 thing !
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21:09:26 <Gringoloco> But why not use the generator ?
21:09:31 <Simeon> how
21:09:33 <Simeon> ?
21:10:01 <Simeon> there are no empty lines. Its the appinfo file that was working with the old one perfectly.
21:10:49 <Gringoloco> Only compile the generator script, then run the generator to compile the launcher for your app. That way you can include the custom code !
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21:11:59 <Gringoloco> GeneratorWizard.nsi
21:12:09 <Simeon> i am trying
21:13:33 <Gringoloco> normally the appinfo.ini 's contain empty lines.!searchparse (NSIS 2.45) doesn't like them !
21:13:53 <Simeon> ah
21:14:17 <Gringoloco> But it's not a big problem, as chris build in some safety check for this !
21:15:13 <Simeon> right. Without the empty lines it doesnt give me errors but its harder to read
21:15:49 <Gringoloco> @vf2nsr: No thanx, sorry if I sounded a bit grompy, but it was really just bed time. (you seem to be on here 24/7;-))
21:16:29 <vf2nsr> Actually the whole issue was a mistake in the mannual for the portable apps launceher
21:16:45 <Simeon> one problem: if i use the generator it creates a data folder which the launcher checks for, sees that it exists and fails to work properly because it thinks the settings are in the data folder but they are in DefaultData.
21:18:36 <Gringoloco> Do you have it located in X:\PortableApps\PortableApps.comLauncherGenerator.exe
21:18:58 <Simeon> nope its inside the JPEGView folder
21:19:09 <Simeon> X/PortableApps/Jpegview-new
21:19:39 <Gringoloco> Sorry, my mistake :H:\PortableApps\PortableApps.comLauncher\PortableApps.comLauncherGenerator.exe
21:19:48 <Simeon> nope
21:19:56 <Simeon> I think Ill keep doing it without it
21:20:25 <vf2nsr> @Gringoloco, I am on a new medication and having trouble sleeping:) Turns out hte issue was the command LaunchAfterSpLash which should have been lauchappafterspalash
21:22:03 <Simeon> no the launcher wont start my program any more! what had you make me do to my files? ;)
21:22:22 <Gringoloco> Me ????
21:22:31 <Simeon> yes YOU!
21:23:30 <Simeon> now its working again.
21:23:37 <Gringoloco> What happend ? I never had an issue with the generator ! Is it a bug ??? Or was it just my faulth
21:24:59 <Simeon> its all working now
21:25:14 <Simeon> it stopped working after I removed all the empty lines from my launcher.ini
21:26:07 <Gringoloco> No No appinfo.ini I was talking about ! Did it go into an endless loop?
21:26:16 <Simeon> oh
21:26:35 <Simeon> appinfo.ini has some empty lines but no loop
21:28:36 <Simeon> Do you know how [FilesMove] should look? settings/JPEGView.ini=%PAL:AppDir%\JPEGView or /settings/JPEGView.ini=%PAL:AppDir%\JPEGView???
21:29:44 <Gringoloco> settings\nsisconf.nsh=%PAL:AppDir%\NSIS
21:30:02 <Gringoloco> Thats what I'm using for NSISu !
21:30:46 <Gringoloco> settings\JPEGView.ini=%PAL:AppDir%\JPEGView
21:30:50 <Simeon> I use [FilesMove]
21:30:50 <Simeon> settings\JPEGView.ini=%PAL:AppDir%\JPEGView
21:30:50 <Simeon> settings\ParamDB.db=%PAL:AppDir%\JPEGView
21:30:55 <vf2nsr> bbl enjoy your day folks
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21:31:02 <Simeon> and it puts them in /Data not in /Data/settings
21:31:12 <Gringoloco> Still???
21:31:22 <Simeon> yes
21:31:46 <Gringoloco> Odd, maybe you should get a new computer;-)
21:32:02 <Simeon> or reboot. Im on windows! ;)
21:32:22 <Gringoloco> Windows XP sp3,I'm on
21:32:26 <Simeon> me too
21:33:08 <Gringoloco> Do you have the latest Unicode NSIS Portable there ?
21:33:24 <Simeon> 2.4.5 Dev 6
21:33:36 <Simeon> no 2.45.1 Dev5
21:34:31 <Simeon> and it only copies the first line. if I remove the settings part, it copies both.
21:34:53 <Gringoloco> Look at the ini for an working example of def 6
21:35:46 <Gringoloco> I tested 2 lines as well, working fine here, to the %PAL:AppDir%
21:36:00 <Simeon> will take a look
21:37:32 <Gringoloco> and did you use debugging ??>
21:37:43 <Simeon> yes. nothing
21:39:32 <Gringoloco> what nothing, it should show you the value you entered in your launcher.ini, and tells you the actual dir it is going to 'copy' the file to (after parsing)
21:39:51 <Simeon> wait a sec
21:41:50 <Simeon> cool. UNiCodeNSUS works with SendTo!! :) *happy*
21:42:56 <Gringoloco> I don't understand what you are stying to say
21:43:24 <Gringoloco> trying
21:43:38 <Simeon> i just discovered I can put a shortcut of the unicode NSIS launcher in my sendTo folder and it will work. Never tried that before.
21:43:53 <Gringoloco> Got to go for a cig...back in 10min.
21:44:00 <Simeon> cu
21:51:20 <Simeon> its working now. Was my mistake. Had no settings folder inside DefaultData
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21:53:47 <Gringoloco> :P
21:54:39 <Simeon> just edited my forum post to clarify
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22:17:06 <Simeon> Thanks Gringoloco for your help today!
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22:52:27 <pa_6571> does it run with wince
22:52:56 <JohnTHaller> pa_6571: Windows CE is not actually WIndows. This is Windows software (as in Windows XP, Vista, etc)
22:53:43 <pa_6571> any known like app for a wince device
22:54:36 <JohnTHaller> Not really what we do, we do Windows software only. If you're looking for stuff like Firefox, they just abandoned all Windows CE / Windows Mobile development when Microsoft announced the end of life of it and incompatibility with Windows Phone 7.
22:54:58 <pa_6571> tks
22:55:04 <JohnTHaller> Sure
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23:27:58 * Bloodsong scratches his head...
23:28:01 <Bloodsong> Windows Phone 7?
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23:41:03 <Bensawsome> duh
23:41:04 <Bensawsome> :P
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