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07:35:51 <ChrisMorgan> Sorry about that, not sure when it died.
07:36:41 <Gringoloco> about 10 hours ago, and it was being weird, see the last log !
07:36:44 <ChrisMorgan> No more than 9 hours of logs lost, I'd say. Possibly due in some way to a netsplit.
07:37:20 <ChrisMorgan> Anyway, it's back in now.
07:37:30 <Gringoloco> so what's happening ?
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07:38:28 <ChrisMorgan> Nothing in particular, I'd say.
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07:39:13 <Gringoloco> Did I read you are planning to make the next PAL entirely in C ???
07:40:06 <ChrisMorgan> Not at this stage at all!
07:40:41 <Gringoloco> So I must have miss understood !
07:40:53 <ChrisMorgan> Some time later on I'm contemplating a rewrite in C; it would be faster, smaller and have more readable code. But it would be quite a big break from the current system of launchers.
07:41:05 <ChrisMorgan> I think I had a ;-) there
07:42:44 <Gringoloco> Do you have any experience in C ?
07:45:22 <ChrisMorgan> A smidgeon.
07:45:32 <ChrisMorgan> Not enough for starting on such a project yet, though.
07:46:23 <taneth111> are we talking C or C++?
07:46:49 <ChrisMorgan> I was talking C. I don't think there'd really be any real use for the enhancements offered by C++.
07:47:08 <ChrisMorgan> Straight C is even leaner and faster than C++.
07:47:25 <taneth111> Yeah, but it's also messier and deters new people from joining PA.c
07:51:10 <ChrisMorgan> I don't think so at all.
07:51:23 <ChrisMorgan> (a) it won't affect users
07:51:32 <ChrisMorgan> (b) it won't affect many developers at all
07:51:40 <ChrisMorgan> (c) it's still going to be neater than NSIS
07:51:59 <ChrisMorgan> (d) developers writing custom segments will still be less likely to need to learn a new language
07:53:49 <Gringoloco> In my drive to learn more, I have spend my time in making a basic launcher in C
07:54:28 <Gringoloco> Or in C++ if you like, I'm not even totally sure of the difference ?
07:55:55 <Gringoloco> Just a small start though ! Maybe I send it to the forum, whenever it's more complete !
07:56:21 <ChrisMorgan> What I've been considering for the future is pretty much a straight port of PAL to C. The structure would work fairly well in C.
07:56:36 <ChrisMorgan> It's really pretty much all quite straightforward.
07:58:43 <Gringoloco> Staight forward ? I couldn't even find an instruction for copying a complete folder ?
07:58:51 <ChrisMorgan> I'm *definitely* not up to that stage, anyway. Getting PAL stable in NSIS is the first thing.
07:58:54 <taneth111> The reason I got into PA.c was because I wanted to know how the launchers worked, which was easy enough because NSIS is pretty simple. But if the launcher was written in something like C I probably wouldn't have gotten involved with computers at all. I would at least do it in C++, with lots of comments.
07:59:18 <ChrisMorgan> taneth111: what advantages would there be in using C++ instead of C?
07:59:59 <taneth111> easier to read, easier to write, easier to understand. And the speed margin between C and C++ isn't that big, so what's the advantage of using C?
08:00:01 <ChrisMorgan> What's more using C or C++ could be a start towards cross-platform functionality.
08:00:14 <Gringoloco> Not to depend on JimPark keeping Unicode NSIS up to date, maybe ?
08:01:00 <ChrisMorgan> taneth111: C++ is almost a superset of C (not quite, but almost). Easier to read/write/understand can thus only depend on classes, I presume; there would not really be any call for classes in PAL.
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09:09:58 <vf2nsr> Morning Chris
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09:14:59 <ChrisMorgan> Good evening, vf2nsr
09:16:47 <vf2nsr> guess it is evening over there
09:17:52 <ChrisMorgan> 8:17PM.
09:18:04 <ChrisMorgan> And in 24 hours it will be 7:18PM.
09:18:08 <vf2nsr> 517 am here
09:18:40 <vf2nsr> stymid by rednotebook so taking a break for a day
09:45:03 <vf2nsr> ChrisMorgan, so you been busy today?
09:46:40 <ChrisMorgan> I went on a 10km hike (and lunch) with some people from our church youth group. That took up most of the day (including travel).
09:49:12 <vf2nsr> Nice we finally got to 60 F today so everyone was out in shorts and tees
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19:36:31 <Scriptdaemon> Alright so, I uploaded Blood Frontier Portable like an hour or two ago and it appears in the folder to which I uploaded it when I type ls in PSFTP, but it doesn't show up on SF. Do I have to wait for it to update?
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20:59:34 <pa_1725> help! regarding using firefox portable and foxit portable together
20:59:34 <GizmoBot> pa_1725: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
21:02:20 <pa_1725> firefox error (ocx not found) when trying to open a pdf via foxit plugin... despite I copied it to firefox plugins dir... is my setup faulty or it's just unsupported??
21:11:09 <TimClark> pa_1725: where did you find instructions to to put it in that location and what is the name of the file you placed there?
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21:20:39 <TimClark> OK pa_1725 , sorry you were not able to reply, I need to go, but hopefully someone else can help you when you are active.
21:21:01 <pa_1725> i'm active, in fact
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21:21:36 <pa_1725> oops, gone...
21:23:03 <pa_1725> for the records, such file is named FoxitReaderOCX.ocx, distributed with the dll of the plugin
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21:23:54 <OliverK> pa_1725: can't you just do a install of it?
21:24:30 <pa_1725> OliverK, sorry, exactly what kind of install do you mean?
21:24:30 <OliverK> or did you do a manual install?
21:24:48 <OliverK> this is firefox, right? Can't you just do a install withit it?
21:25:12 <OliverK> tools, addons, file, install extension
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21:25:30 <OliverK> it might be a wee bit different for you, but that's the gist of it
21:25:39 <pa_1725> it's a regular setup of the firefox portable release, and a regular portable setup of foxit. Then, after getting the error msg, i copied both dll and ocx from foxit plugins folder to firefox profile plugins folder, following an advice in a foxit forum
21:25:55 <OliverK> huh
21:26:12 <pa_1725> it's not an extension, but a plugin... a regular plugin using firefox (netscape plugin API)
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21:26:25 <OliverK> i don't know if there's supposed to integration between ff portable and foxit portable
21:26:55 <pa_1725> yes, foxit includes support to view pdf's inside IE and ffox via plugin
21:27:04 <OliverK> yeah, i know
21:27:24 <OliverK> i have set up computers using foxit as primary pdf readers
21:27:29 <OliverK> they never had adobe installed
21:27:46 <OliverK> I guess my suggestion is to make a post in the forums about it
21:28:35 <pa_1725> do you think it's a ffox portable issue to be able to use foxit plugin, or it's a foxit issue?
21:28:46 <OliverK> i'm not sure
21:28:58 <OliverK> i think its a firefox issue, the more I think about it
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21:30:56 <OliverK> is there like a ddon you can get at the website? I'd try to use that as there may be some sort of configurations its missing
21:31:34 <pa_1725> ok thanks, i'll give it a try
21:32:08 <pa_1725> i'll otherwise try a setup from scratch with mainstream (non portable) installations of ffox and foxit, to try to find out where these files are saved when foxit setup detects a ffox installation
21:32:18 <OliverK> k
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21:42:07 <Scriptdaemon> OliverK, you've uploaded to SF before, right?
21:42:15 <OliverK> Scriptdaemon: dah
21:42:20 <OliverK> wassup? Still not there?
21:42:39 <Scriptdaemon> You read my thing from earlier? Yeah, not there.
21:42:50 <OliverK> about uploading blood frontier
21:42:57 <Scriptdaemon> Yeah.
21:43:04 <OliverK> k
21:43:09 <OliverK> read scroll back :)
21:43:16 <OliverK> have you released the file?
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21:44:25 <Scriptdaemon> Oh. To do that I would need to do what? >.> (My first SF project)
21:44:35 <OliverK|School> um, lemme lok
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21:45:40 <OliverK|School> been awhile since i did that, give me a sec, please
21:46:08 <Scriptdaemon> K.
21:46:29 <OliverK|School> k, if you go to the admin page, you should see a file manager link
21:47:08 <OliverK|School> is it there?
21:47:17 <OliverK|School> they've changed since i've done things in here
21:47:21 <Scriptdaemon> Nope.
21:47:54 <OliverK|School> huh
21:48:03 <OliverK|School> and the file finished uploading?
21:48:10 <OliverK|School> did you use the web interface
21:48:18 <Scriptdaemon> I used PSFTP.
21:48:43 <Scriptdaemon> It took about an hour or so, and then went back to the problem. I checked with ls and the file is in there.
21:48:48 <Scriptdaemon> priompt*
21:48:50 <OliverK|School> okay
21:48:52 <Scriptdaemon> prompt*
21:49:47 <OliverK|School> okay, there's a way to do it via sftp, but i don't remember :(
21:49:55 <OliverK|School> i also need to work on my school work
21:50:19 <Scriptdaemon> That's fine.
21:51:46 <OliverK|School> you might look through the documentation, it sucked when i read it about 2 years ago, but you should be able to find what ou're looking for :)
21:51:57 <OliverK|School> you also just wanna uplaod the file with the web interface
21:52:21 <OliverK|School> but i think you have to move it from the file you uploaded it to the project folder
21:52:22 <OliverK|School> if you can
21:52:27 <Scriptdaemon> Tried that. Timed out both times.
21:52:34 <OliverK|School> darn
21:52:56 <OliverK|School> tell you what, when i get my cisco done, i can poke around
21:53:04 <Scriptdaemon> Take your time.
22:07:56 <Scriptdaemon> SF's documentation really does suck.
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22:44:25 <pa_1725> OliverK, fyi, ffox+foxit finally solved, it was a foxit only issue, solved by "registering" the ocx into windows registry
22:44:38 <OliverK|School> ah
22:45:00 <pa_1725> ffox was loading plugin ok (shown in about:plugins list), ffox loaded the foxit dll, but foxit dll failed to load OCX file
22:45:20 <OliverK|School> yeah, that would do it. Please do post a report, so john knows this. I think its something that should be fixed
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22:45:35 <pa_1725> once registered with "regsvr32 FoxitReaderOCX.ocx", it's now working from the ffox portable setup
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22:45:47 <OliverK|School> lol, yup. Thanks.
22:45:53 <pa_1725> so... foxit is not so portable despite installed from portableapps' release
22:46:05 <OliverK|School> well, its portable
22:46:24 <OliverK|School> its just not tied as well as possible
22:46:38 <pa_1725> :-)
22:46:43 <OliverK|School> that kind of command would require admin rights. Please do post a bug report
22:46:52 <OliverK|School> that way it can get mostly fixed :)
22:47:14 <pa_1725> where should i post it? i didnt see a foxit support section to send it
22:47:20 <OliverK|School> other apps
22:47:25 <pa_1725> ok
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