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01:47:58 <SergentSiler> hi JohnTHaller :)
01:48:04 <JohnTHaller> hi
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03:04:26 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... I should release the PortableApps.com Launcher 2.0 Beta 3 now.
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03:31:13 <Scriptdaemon> ChrisMorgan: Does FileWriteN happen before or after FileWrite (or does it happen in order of appearance in the ini file)?
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03:31:29 <ChrisMorgan> There is no FileWrite, just FileWriteN
03:31:38 <ChrisMorgan> They happen in numerical order
03:31:47 <Scriptdaemon> FileMove* >.>
03:31:51 <Scriptdaemon> I meant that.
03:31:57 <ChrisMorgan> Ah
03:32:30 <vf2nsr> Chris MOrgan, sorry about posts I have made an apology won't happen again
03:32:37 <ChrisMorgan> FileWriteN is before FilesMove
03:32:50 <ChrisMorgan> I should put a note about that in the manual concerning order of execution.
03:33:03 <ChrisMorgan> It does become fairly important when considering %PAL:AppDir% etc...
03:33:15 <Scriptdaemon> I'm having difficulties getting auto language switching to work (an oversight from before, I set the language variable, but I never actually did anything with it).
03:33:18 <Scriptdaemon> Yeah.
03:33:19 <ChrisMorgan> vf2nsr, that's OK, you're forgiven :-)
03:33:55 <ChrisMorgan> It's useful having people using it and providing feedback, things like that sometimes don't occur to me because I made it and so I know how it works more or less inside out.
03:34:08 <vf2nsr> Chris Morgan, I was just trying to help and guess I became to involved...and FYI I never claimed to be what I was not
03:34:37 <ChrisMorgan> Thanks for apologising.
03:35:13 <ZachThibeau> hey ChrisMorgan now that you're online, have you given a test of PChat's latest Dev Test yet? by the looks of it it's only 1 person thats having issues settings not being saved properly and just wanted to know if I'm not crazy when I think it maybe him having the issues locally by having someone able to confirm or disprove the issue
03:35:25 <Scriptdaemon> Side note, in the manual there are some inconsistencies with FileWriteN. Some things that are meant for a certain type (ConfigWrite, etc.) are labeled differently between the help file and the manual.
03:35:29 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon, what do you reckon, is it worth a delay of a few hours for Beta 3 for me to update all that?
03:35:35 <ChrisMorgan> OK, I'll check that out now
03:36:21 <Scriptdaemon> Sure, what's a few more hours? =P
03:36:23 <ChrisMorgan> ZachThibeau, I'll try to take a look at it straight after releasing PAL2b3 (which will probably be within a few hours)
03:36:41 <ChrisMorgan> It means not getting to it before my (1hr) FIT1002 lecture
03:36:52 <Scriptdaemon> Especially for making the manual more readable, I'd say that's important.
03:37:00 <ZachThibeau> ok ChrisMorgan and if you need a dll file (like this one user is saying) I'll send it to you via dropbox
03:37:10 <ZachThibeau> Scriptdaemon: you tested the dev test didn't you?
03:37:13 <ChrisMorgan> I'll see how it goes
03:37:44 <Scriptdaemon> Both. I mentioned my trouble with the first one in the thread, and the second one doesn't launch either. (Haven't tried directly yet though).
03:38:15 <ZachThibeau> Scriptdaemon: this is for the settings thing. did you have issues with the settings not being saved correctly?
03:38:27 <Scriptdaemon> ChrisMorgan: If I pastebin my launcher .ini file, could you take a quick look to see if I've made any mistakes that would prevent language switching from working?
03:38:44 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon, sure
03:39:21 <Scriptdaemon> ZachThibeau: Before or after 1.0.4? I haven't been able test 1.0.4 since it hasn't been able to load. >.>
03:39:27 <Scriptdaemon> to*
03:41:09 <Scriptdaemon> ChrisMorgan: http://scriptdaemon.pastebin.com/WvMkCCBa
03:42:02 <ChrisMorgan> Section=General
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03:42:24 <ChrisMorgan> Or if it really does appear in the file as [General\], Section=General\
03:42:41 <ZachThibeau> Scriptdaemon: doesn't matter, since the issue in question existed appearently in the first dev test
03:43:00 <Scriptdaemon> K. I've tested with that before and it didn't work, but I think I might have changed a few other things since, too.
03:43:45 <Scriptdaemon> ZachThibeau: There's a lot of stuff to clean up in the Launcher directory alone, btw. =P
03:44:20 <ZachThibeau> Scriptdaemon: I'm not counting that atm, final release will have that cleaned up my main focus is that it works
03:44:35 <ZachThibeau> thats how I always done it
03:45:31 <Scriptdaemon> I'm getting the same error as before when trying to run directly, it appears. (libeay32.dll)
03:45:45 <ZachThibeau> copy the dll's from dev test 2
03:45:52 <ZachThibeau> the missing ones that is
03:46:12 <Scriptdaemon> I updated to DT 2, should they not already be there?
03:46:41 <ZachThibeau> dev test 2 has them in there dev test 1 is when I thought I statically linked them to PChat
03:47:56 <Scriptdaemon> Hold on. Let me test language switching in Revo again really quick.
03:48:05 <ZachThibeau> I'm still on the goal of making either an openssl release as 1 lib or dll file ala minissl.dll
03:48:43 <vf2nsr> Chris Morgan, so can you clean me out of http://portableapps.com/node/23243 as well please
03:49:08 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon, thanks, FileWriteN is fixed up now.
03:51:41 <Scriptdaemon> ChrisMorgan: Still no worky. :(
03:51:55 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon, how so, what's not working about it?
03:52:36 <Scriptdaemon> The idea is that it's suppose to automatically change the language of the app to the currently set language of the menu, correct?
03:52:44 <ChrisMorgan> Yep.
03:52:49 <ChrisMorgan> I mean though, what happens with it?
03:52:58 <Scriptdaemon> I have the menu set to Greek, but it still loads in English.
03:53:24 <ChrisMorgan> App\RevoUninstaller\lang\hellenic.ini exists, I presume?
03:53:30 <Scriptdaemon> It does.
03:54:00 <ChrisMorgan> Is it [General\] or [General]?
03:54:22 <Scriptdaemon> Former. All their sections end with a \ for some reason.
03:54:41 <Scriptdaemon> Want me to pastebin the settings.ini file?
03:55:05 <ChrisMorgan> So, once you've started it, you should have App\RevoUninstaller\settings.ini with the section [General\] and in it a value pair like this: Language file=hellenic.ini
03:55:58 <ChrisMorgan> If that's there, there's some other issue somewhere, presumably with the actual value you're setting being incorrect.
03:56:00 <Scriptdaemon> If it happens before FileMove, shouldn't I do it to the Data directory?
03:56:18 <ChrisMorgan> I'm saying that when it's running it will be in A\RU
03:56:30 <ChrisMorgan> The work is done when it's in D but then it's moved to A
03:56:35 <ChrisMorgan> That's all
03:57:01 <Scriptdaemon> Ah, I see. Checking.
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03:58:16 <Scriptdaemon> ChrisMorgan: Nope. Still Language file=english.ini
03:59:13 <ChrisMorgan> Try changing the DefaultIfNotExists to belarusian... see what's happening (alternatively, turn on debugging)
03:59:36 <ChrisMorgan> Idea: work out where it's reverting and which value it's reverting to.
03:59:41 <ChrisMorgan> I've got to skip off to a FIT1002 lecture now. See you in approximately one hour (plus or minus approximately 10 minutes or in extenuating circumstances 10 years).
03:59:55 <Scriptdaemon> Have fun.
03:59:59 <Scriptdaemon> And will do.
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04:19:32 <vf2nsr> Scriptdaemon, you are almost a genius you suggestion for RedNotebook is almost working lol
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04:20:34 <Scriptdaemon> Which suggestion?
04:22:07 <vf2nsr> about moce file
04:22:10 <vf2nsr> move
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04:22:57 <vf2nsr> only problem is it created a user folder, I added another vaiable it saves to right place but still creates an empy user dir in data base
04:24:06 <Scriptdaemon> Has the developer released the next version yet?
04:24:31 <Scriptdaemon> It seems with the stuff he was going to add to the next version, you wouldn't need the FilesMove section anyway.
04:25:56 <Scriptdaemon> That was just temporary for now.
04:26:06 <vf2nsr> true it would BUt I just rethought the move and I had it wrong. I am anxiously awaiting for the new release shoulc I change this one to fix it as you suggested cause your idea works?
04:26:22 <vf2nsr> or should I wait for the new release from him?
04:27:05 <vf2nsr> He has not Scriptdaemon but he is from Germany I think so he is ahead of me
04:27:20 <Scriptdaemon> It's your call. If you have it working completely, then I don't see why not. However, if he's just going to update tomorrow or the next day, there's not much point to it.
04:28:52 <Scriptdaemon> I'd say go ahead, really. You really have no idea when he's going to release.
04:29:30 <vf2nsr> ok still working out a detail or two here see how far I get tonight lol if not always tomorrow
04:30:34 <Scriptdaemon> Indeed.
04:31:26 <Scriptdaemon> You know, having three roommates and only one fridge is quite difficult. Especially if all four of you pretty much have the same shopping schedule.
04:33:44 <vf2nsr> in the Move files it does not tell where to move to?
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04:35:36 <Scriptdaemon> It should be in the format [file name]=[target directory]
04:36:06 <Scriptdaemon> Where [file name] is relative to the Data directory.
04:36:13 <vf2nsr> oops just reread something hang sec
04:37:01 <vf2nsr> [DirectoriesMove] user=%PAL:AppDir%\RedNotebook\user
04:37:29 <Scriptdaemon> Er, yeah. DirectoriesMove. You said file and I got confused.
04:37:38 <vf2nsr> me to sorry
04:38:02 <vf2nsr> that moves them but does not set the program to default to them :(
04:39:18 <Scriptdaemon> No, but that's not the point. It moves to and from that location. Before the application loads, it takes the directory from the Data directory and puts it where the file will read it (in this case in the application's directory), and then when the program is exited it will be moved back to the Data directory.
04:39:39 <Scriptdaemon> application will read it*
04:39:43 <vf2nsr> oh ok gotcha now
04:40:06 <vf2nsr> lightbulb just went off
04:40:14 <vf2nsr> suddenly I see
04:41:08 <Scriptdaemon> But if the program itself has the ability to change that directory, that makes it easier for the developer and the launcher doesn't have the move it around.
04:41:17 <vf2nsr> ok well with that fixed I gonna wait till morning if he updates then I won't if he doesn't then I will
04:41:26 <Scriptdaemon> Alright.
04:41:28 <vf2nsr> I agree thanks once again for help
04:41:34 <vf2nsr> I out of here for now
04:41:40 <Scriptdaemon> Good night.
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04:49:05 <Scriptdaemon> Oh?
04:49:27 <ChrisMorgan> For a test worth 10% of the unit score it was singularly boring.
04:49:38 <Scriptdaemon> lol
04:50:10 <Scriptdaemon> I think there might be a problem with the launcher itself.
04:50:24 <ChrisMorgan> What results have you found?
04:51:01 <Scriptdaemon> First test: Changing DefaultIfNotExists to belarusian, it still loads in English. Changing Default to belarusian, it loads in belarusian.
04:51:17 <Scriptdaemon> While the menu is still in Greek.
04:51:51 <Scriptdaemon> Using debug mode: http://scriptdaemon.pastebin.com/V8a3q27n (while the menu is still in Greek).
04:52:02 <Scriptdaemon> Shouldn't the first one be Greek, and not English?
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04:53:19 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... pull out Process Explorer and ask it what the environment of your launcher is like.
04:54:50 <Scriptdaemon> The launcher, or Revo Uninstaller?
04:54:56 <ChrisMorgan> Launcher.
04:56:06 <ChrisMorgan> Either would do but it's easier to work entirely inside the launcher (it could possibly help if you turn on debugging SEGWRAP so you can pause just after it's done the language stuff, but this shouldn't be necessary)
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04:57:10 <Scriptdaemon> Hmm. PortableApps.comLocaleWinName is LANG_GREEK...
04:57:38 <Scriptdaemon> Should there be a PortableApps.comLocaleName here? Because there isn't.
04:57:48 <ChrisMorgan> There isn't at all?
04:57:52 <ChrisMorgan> ?
04:57:59 <ChrisMorgan> Which version of PAL are you using?
04:58:55 <ChrisMorgan> First, PortableApps.comLocaleWinName defaults to LANG_ENGLISH. Then PortableApps.comLocaleName is read and if it does not exist defaults to all except the first five characters of PortableApps.comLocaleWinName. The code looks perfect to me.
04:59:39 <Scriptdaemon> http://portableapps.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/portableapps/launcher/rev/e01ca71131c9 Should be that one.
05:00:55 <ChrisMorgan> Not the latest but it should be fine.
05:01:32 <Scriptdaemon> Want me to send you it in a .7z?
05:01:43 <ChrisMorgan> Yes, please
05:03:34 <ChrisMorgan> Hey, wait... you've got PortableAppsLocaleName, not PortableApps.comLocaleName
05:03:55 <Scriptdaemon> Son of a.
05:03:56 <ChrisMorgan> In your report of the debug message at least..? :-S
05:04:25 <ChrisMorgan> (Did you type it? Are you aware you can just copy the contents of message boxes with Ctrl+C?)
05:04:43 <Scriptdaemon> No, wait. Base=%PortableApps.comLocaleName%
05:05:05 <Scriptdaemon> I didn't know the windows would let me do that, now I do.
05:05:06 <ChrisMorgan> You just typed it up incorrectly with the debug messages :-/
05:05:12 <Scriptdaemon> My mistake.
05:05:27 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, it copies it with a bit of padding, title and all which you may not want, but it's *very* useful.
05:06:19 <ChrisMorgan> Companies trying to produce helpful error messages which people feel they should report put in a better way of doing it, normally a text box inside it so you can clearly see you can copy it (and just get the text).
05:07:16 <Scriptdaemon> Yeah. =P
05:09:17 <Scriptdaemon> Sent.
05:09:34 <ChrisMorgan> OK, I presume I'll get it in the next few minutes...
05:11:00 <Scriptdaemon> Hopefully.
05:11:20 <ChrisMorgan> Got it, looking at it.
05:12:22 <Scriptdaemon> And for the record, doing the same tests with hellenic as I did with belarusian produced the same results, so it wasn't a problem with that language.
05:18:57 <ChrisMorgan> And guess what, Scriptdaemon?
05:19:40 <ChrisMorgan> Without actually seeing the user interface, as I don't have admin, it's all working fine...
05:19:55 <ChrisMorgan> Language file=hellenic.ini
05:19:58 <Scriptdaemon> sklgdkdhlhkd;g
05:20:01 <ChrisMorgan> The change worked fine.
05:20:07 <ChrisMorgan> I'll try your compiled executable though.
05:20:32 <ChrisMorgan> Same thing, After: `GREEK`
05:20:44 <ChrisMorgan> Now I'll try turning off debug and see if it still works.
05:21:03 <Scriptdaemon> How incredibly odd.
05:22:07 <ChrisMorgan> Working perfectly.
05:22:14 <Scriptdaemon> Wait. Are you using 2.0 Beta 4, or 1.6?
05:22:16 <ChrisMorgan> Absolutely perfectly, nothing wrong.
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05:22:24 <ChrisMorgan> 2.0 Beta 4
05:22:32 <Scriptdaemon> So am I.
05:22:34 <Scriptdaemon> What the crap.
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05:23:07 <Scriptdaemon> Since it's the only difference I can see, how would having admin make it not work?
05:23:39 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... that's an aspect of it that hadn't occurred to me for some wacky reason.
05:24:21 <ChrisMorgan> Try taking a look at the two processes in procexp just before and just after they've been launched to see what's happening with the two %PortableApps.comLocale[Win]Name% variables
05:25:07 <ChrisMorgan> I'd forgotten about that possibly important difference between our setups.
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05:27:26 <GizmoBot> computerfreaker is working on KidSafe and TopOCR, and would very much like to have folks test them and give feedback
05:27:36 <computerfreaker> Hi guys!
05:27:40 <ChrisMorgan> Hey computerfreaker, haven't seen you here for a while
05:28:00 <computerfreaker> yeah, I know; life has been full & busy. I'm fading out again in a couple of hours, too. :(
05:28:32 <computerfreaker> do you have a minute to discuss something about PAL, namely shared data folders?
05:28:40 <ChrisMorgan> Sure.
05:28:45 <computerfreaker> ty :)
05:28:47 <ChrisMorgan> That's something I'm planning on implementing after 2.0.
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05:29:26 <computerfreaker> what's the recommended way to handle those atm? I've got a couple of apps that have multiple components using the same data folder (%APPDATA%\AppName is pretty popular), and I'm pulling out my hair just thinking about trying to work with that.
05:29:30 <ChrisMorgan> I'm currently thinking ..\CommonFiles\Data\*; problem is it needs consistency...
05:30:04 <ChrisMorgan> What do you mean, do you mean the string literal %APPDATA%\AppName?
05:30:20 <computerfreaker> no, that seems to be the shared data folder in most cases.
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05:30:38 <computerfreaker> for example, REAL Studio & its Feedback app both use %APPDATA%\REAL Software.
05:30:53 <ChrisMorgan> Shared data should only be for applications that share data, like Subversion passwords or similar. Not for applications that just use the same directory.
05:31:03 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm; so do they use the same files?
05:31:14 <computerfreaker> I'm pretty sure they use some of the same files, yes.
05:31:15 <ChrisMorgan> And isn't the general idea that RS launches F?
05:31:34 <computerfreaker> that *can* be the case, but there's nothing stopping the user from using the Feedback app separately.
05:31:38 <ChrisMorgan> I don't think it's reasonable to require you to support launching F separately.
05:32:06 <ChrisMorgan> What more needs doing with launching F that won't already be done by the RS launcher?
05:32:11 <computerfreaker> netPanzer has the same problem; it & its map editor (I haven't tried the server editor yet) both save data in %PROFILE%\.netpanzer\
05:32:25 <ChrisMorgan> %USERPROFILE% I presume;
05:32:30 <computerfreaker> yes, sorry
05:32:37 <computerfreaker> got my NSIS & env vars mixed up ><
05:32:49 <Scriptdaemon> It's set to German as soon as soon as the launcher is open on the first debug message.
05:32:54 <Scriptdaemon> - as soon
05:33:03 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon, is that what it's meant to be doing or not?
05:33:18 <ChrisMorgan> And is that LocaleWinName or LocaleName?
05:33:20 <computerfreaker> the RS launcher is actually launching the F launcher; it's cleanest that way, I think.
05:33:34 <ChrisMorgan> computerfreaker, but what more needs doing with launching F?
05:33:53 <computerfreaker> a lot of Reg entries, a couple of folder moves.
05:34:06 <Scriptdaemon> LocaleWinName. LocaleName doesn't show as I've said. I'm assuming so? Maybe it switches at some point in between, hold on.
05:34:10 <ChrisMorgan> What registry entries were they?
05:34:21 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon, LocaleName should be set a bit later on.
05:34:22 <computerfreaker> just a sec, I'll check. There were a lot of diverse ones.
05:34:46 <computerfreaker> HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\REALSoftware\Feedback
05:34:51 <computerfreaker> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\classes\clsid\{de1f7eef-1851-11d3-939e-0004ac1abe1f}
05:35:00 <computerfreaker> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Classes\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet Settings [for IE trash]
05:35:08 <ChrisMorgan> EEK!
05:35:09 <computerfreaker> HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Classes\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet Settings [IE again]
05:35:15 <ChrisMorgan> ARGH!
05:35:19 <computerfreaker> HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer [yep, you guessed it - IE]
05:35:25 <computerfreaker> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Classes\feedback
05:35:36 <ChrisMorgan> Escape while the going is good. Don't touch those ones...
05:35:44 <computerfreaker> which ones? IE?
05:36:03 <computerfreaker> and the folders are something else, too.
05:36:16 <computerfreaker> %APPDATA%\REAL Software [direct conflict with REAL Studio]
05:36:26 <ChrisMorgan> I've got a good idea. Create a dummy feedback executable which pops up a message box saying "Sorry, the feedback client is unavailable in REAL Studio Portable."
05:36:44 <Scriptdaemon> Hmm. LocalWinName shows as LANG_GERMAN when it sets LocaleName (from the .ini file) to ENGLISH...
05:36:54 <ChrisMorgan> And I really am serious about that. That way it'll stop the "I'll go and download it for you" and it won't make a mess (which it currently will)
05:36:58 <computerfreaker> ChrisMorgan: I'd really like to get it *working*, but I could probably settle for that.
05:37:05 <Scriptdaemon> And LocaleWin still doesn't appear in Process Explorer.
05:37:31 <computerfreaker> %USERPROFILE%\Local Settings\History, %USERPROFILE%\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files, and %USERPROFILE%\Cookies are in there, too
05:37:34 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon, does it run the Language .onInit hook
05:37:35 <ChrisMorgan> ?
05:37:58 <ChrisMorgan> Plainly and simply, computerfreaker, while it uses MSHTML it's a hopeless case.
05:38:11 <computerfreaker> I know
05:38:27 <computerfreaker> there's a feature request in their system right now - "make REAL Studio more portable"
05:38:40 <ChrisMorgan> And what does it ask about: putting in a different rendering engine?
05:38:58 <computerfreaker> a lot of stuff: data folders, a different rendering engine, and ideally no Registry
05:39:01 <ChrisMorgan> You're unlikely to succeed, but if they /really/ wanted a portable version they'd do it.
05:39:11 <Scriptdaemon> ChrisMorgan: No, just Init.
05:39:16 <computerfreaker> ChrisMorgan: I know I'm not likely to succeed, but it's worth a try.
05:39:17 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... interesting.
05:39:34 <ChrisMorgan> It probably wouldn't be that bad, actually, switching from MSHTML to WebKit. It would increase the size though.
05:39:46 <computerfreaker> they're already working on switching to WebKit - a separate request is the 16th highest feqture request in the feedback system - so I've got a fighting chance.
05:40:06 <ChrisMorgan> Oh!
05:40:09 <computerfreaker> and size isn't an issue when you're already sending out an >100-MB installer ;)
05:40:19 <ChrisMorgan> Is it really that big..? Ook.
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05:40:42 <computerfreaker> Qt is worse, IIRC, and the .NET SDK is absolutely mammoth. RS is nice compared to those.
05:41:12 <computerfreaker> ChrisMorgan: for the shared data folders, I'm almost thinking something like WaitForEXEN would be best: ShareFolderWithProcessN. I could probably write something up in a few hours, borrowing a bit from WaitForEXEN.
05:41:15 <ChrisMorgan> I don't think I've ever seen a serious Qt app get anywhere near that big except the Qt Creator which includes everything... even things like MinGW.
05:41:49 <computerfreaker> I was referring to the Qt SDK installer, actually, and you're right about that including everything but the kitchen sink.
05:41:51 <ChrisMorgan> computerfreaker: I don't like it. Corner case, messy code.
05:42:06 <ChrisMorgan> Oh, OK
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05:42:42 <computerfreaker> "Corner case"; I'm going to have to differ with you on this. I've already got a couple of apps that do that, and it seems like a lot of multi-exe apps do.
05:42:45 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon, I begin to Suspect something. UAC_RunElevated is telling the subprocess exactly where to start.
05:42:49 <computerfreaker> "messy code", more than likely.
05:43:13 <ChrisMorgan> Not very many apps are multi-exe. And most that are won't need anything like this anyway.
05:43:56 <Scriptdaemon> And that's stopping it from finding the file to be edited?
05:44:02 <computerfreaker> ChrisMorgan: well, if you don't mind, I'll write up a custom patch and leave it on Pastebin for others who might happen to need it.
05:44:18 <computerfreaker> Scriptdaemon: I think he's saying UAC is actually bypassing various segments of PAL.
05:44:20 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon: so you don't see any "Attempting to run as admin" debug message in the client one?
05:44:38 <ChrisMorgan> computerfreaker, try doing a custom segment for it.
05:44:54 <Scriptdaemon> I do, but it's RunAsAdmin .onInit hook. not Language.
05:45:28 <computerfreaker> ChrisMorgan: ok, will do. Want me to post it on the forums when I finish, just in case somebody else wants it?
05:45:34 <ChrisMorgan> I mean, do you get that message box twice (once from the outer and once from the inner instance)?
05:45:49 <ChrisMorgan> computerfreaker, I expect so. Such things could possibly have a place in the Manual.
05:45:56 <computerfreaker> :)
05:45:58 <Scriptdaemon> I believe so, let me check again.
05:46:00 <computerfreaker> thank you!
05:46:17 <ChrisMorgan> computerfreaker: Standard instructions, http://portableapps.chrismorgan.info/portableapps/launcher/docs/advanced/segments/#advanced-segments-custom
05:46:21 <Scriptdaemon> 1 and... 2. Yup.
05:46:44 <ChrisMorgan> One straight after the other?
05:46:59 <ChrisMorgan> Or with "[Launch]:RunAsAdmin value is force" in between?
05:47:07 <computerfreaker> ChrisMorgan: thanks for the link. I'm actually fairly familiar with custom segments, thanks to one I wrote for netPanzer today.
05:47:16 <Scriptdaemon> Oh, yeah that appears before both, both times.
05:47:20 <ChrisMorgan> Oh, you've used a custom segment? :-)
05:47:35 <computerfreaker> yep, in netPanzer today. Worked like a charm. :)
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05:47:48 <ChrisMorgan> What does the segment do?
05:48:05 <computerfreaker> All it did was ExecWait for XULRunner (IE vs. XULRunner again, and XULRunner won), but it worked.
05:48:26 <ChrisMorgan> Why does it need to do that?
05:48:45 <computerfreaker> because netPanzer apparently uses the default rendering engine, which means it left a big mess with IE
05:48:47 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon: have you tried DEBUG_SEGWRAP (http://portableapps.chrismorgan.info/portableapps/launcher/docs/advanced/debug/#advanced-debug)?
05:48:50 <computerfreaker> but not with XULRunner
05:49:03 <ChrisMorgan> So where does the ExecWait of XULRunner fit in?
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05:49:50 <computerfreaker> there were two ExecWait calls, actually; one at the beginning (ExecWait "$EXEDIR\App\xulrunner\xulrunner.exe --register-user") and one at the end (ExecWait "$EXEDIR\App\xulrunner\xulrunner.exe --unregister-user")
05:50:02 <ChrisMorgan> Ah. I see.
05:50:09 <ChrisMorgan> And that changes the default browser?
05:50:29 <computerfreaker> no, I think it only changes the default rendering engine, but I could be wrong on that.
05:50:50 <computerfreaker> that worked for RSSOwl, too, which is how I learned about that trick
05:51:03 <ChrisMorgan> So that could make people using IE at the time get messed up?
05:51:06 <ChrisMorgan> Erk. :-)
05:51:18 <ChrisMorgan> Same trick as Google Chrome Frame?
05:51:26 <computerfreaker> shouldn't mess up IE users. I'll have to run some more tests to be sure, though.
05:51:37 <computerfreaker> and I'm not familiar with the Google Chrome Frame trick, sorry
05:52:31 <Scriptdaemon> ChrisMorgan: I added DEBUG_SEGWRAP. Am I looking for the Language .onInit hook?
05:52:35 <ChrisMorgan> Yep
05:52:51 <Scriptdaemon> Yeah, I see it now.
05:53:12 <Scriptdaemon> About to execute and then finished executing, both in a row,.
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05:53:14 <Scriptdaemon> .*
05:53:35 <ChrisMorgan> And what's the status of the process environment before and afterm the hook? (You need to close and re-open the process properties window)
05:54:29 <ChrisMorgan> computerfreaker: try having IE running, browsing right through doing the XULRunner stuff, new tabs, etc. etc., sessions, completely new browser instances, etc.
05:54:57 <computerfreaker> sure, I'll try that with RSSOwl right now. I don't want to start netPanzer again. ;)
05:56:45 <Scriptdaemon> LANG_GREEK, the whole way through.
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05:57:03 <ChrisMorgan> And LocaleName?
05:57:13 <ChrisMorgan> It should be set already from the outer process?
05:58:04 <computerfreaker> ChrisMorgan: IE still looks OK. I did get one problem, though: "IE is not your current browser. Would you like to make it your current browser?"
05:58:04 <Scriptdaemon> Still not there.
05:58:36 <computerfreaker> s/current/default
05:58:46 <ChrisMorgan> computerfreaker, so what happens if you just try running from the command line or win or something like that, http://portableapps.com/? What browser does that open with (when it's the default)?
05:58:53 <ChrisMorgan> (Or probably even from your chat client)
05:59:36 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon: that is exceedingly strange. It should be being set by the outer instance.
05:59:49 <ChrisMorgan> Utterly unreproducible, too...
06:00:12 <Scriptdaemon> I've checked between every few debug windows (inner and outer) and it never shows.
06:00:13 <ChrisMorgan> (Bearing in mind that I'm not getting to run as admin)
06:00:56 <Scriptdaemon> This is all the outer process, the inner one doesn't show anything at all.
06:01:08 <ChrisMorgan> What?
06:01:42 <ChrisMorgan> The outer one should go through to "Attempting to run as admin", then the inner one should do it all again.
06:02:00 <computerfreaker> ChrisMorgan: it opened in Firefox. Then it occurred to me that I had Firefox set as default anyway, so I changed the default to IE. And pages open in IE, regardless of XULRunner's status. Looks OK to me.
06:02:07 <Scriptdaemon> It does, but nothing shows in the environment for the inner process.
06:02:32 <ChrisMorgan> Nothing..? Maybe I'm misunderstanding a bit how the UAC plug-in works...
06:02:50 <ChrisMorgan> computerfreaker: yep, I satisfied myself of that with https://developer.mozilla.org/en/GRE_Registration
06:03:12 <computerfreaker> so the XULRunner trick is officially clean?
06:03:33 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon, so when you open the inner process's properties window in Process Explorer what shows in the Environment tab?
06:03:49 <Scriptdaemon> Absolutely nothing.
06:04:04 <ChrisMorgan> NOTHING!?
06:04:16 * ChrisMorgan goes limp at the knees, trying to work out what's going on
06:04:26 <computerfreaker> *nothing*??
06:04:34 * computerfreaker has never seen anything like this before
06:04:50 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon: I think you'd better restart quickly...? ;-)
06:04:54 <Scriptdaemon> I'll screenshot it if you'd like? =P
06:05:21 <computerfreaker> "I think you'd better restart" - the old tech support line :P
06:05:23 <ChrisMorgan> If you want to... Make sure the process list (or at least the outer and inner processes) are in it.
06:05:33 <ChrisMorgan> computerfreaker, oh, you've been one too have you? ;-)
06:05:47 <computerfreaker> nope, but I read The Daily WTF so I know these things ;)
06:06:06 <ChrisMorgan> I haven't been one officially either. Merely unofficially.
06:06:13 <Scriptdaemon> Being able to export these into a file would be just awesome.
06:07:20 <Scriptdaemon> You only need to see the language variables, right?
06:07:43 <ChrisMorgan> Probably.
06:07:53 <ChrisMorgan> But I thought you said there was nothing..?
06:08:27 <computerfreaker> well, I should probably go. Going to be a long couple of months. :(
06:08:31 <Scriptdaemon> I meant for the outer process, but then remembered I only needed the inner. :D
06:09:33 <ChrisMorgan> The outer should also have set PortableApps.comLocaleName though. In fact, I'll go so far as to say that if the Language .onInit hook is executed, it *must* be set.
06:09:44 <computerfreaker> bye guys! See you later!
06:09:49 <computerfreaker> thanks for the help, ChrisMorgan!
06:09:51 <ChrisMorgan> Bye computerfreaker!
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06:11:37 <Scriptdaemon> Well then your launcher is calling you a liar. =P
06:11:48 <Scriptdaemon> the*
06:11:52 <ChrisMorgan> No, your computer is.
06:12:01 <Scriptdaemon> UAC?
06:12:22 <ChrisMorgan> It certainly shouldn't be touching anything like that. I can't understand what might be going wrong.
06:12:26 <ChrisMorgan> Actually maybe I can.
06:12:31 <ChrisMorgan> Are you running Process Explorer as admin?
06:12:34 <ChrisMorgan> If not, do.
06:13:09 <Scriptdaemon> http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/3869/brokeded.png
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06:14:20 <Scriptdaemon> ...Ah.
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06:14:40 <GizmoBot> ...
06:14:57 <Scriptdaemon> ...Now there's stuff. >.>
06:15:00 <Scriptdaemon> there*
06:15:19 <Scriptdaemon> Didn't think about running Process Explorer with admin.
06:15:34 <ChrisMorgan> Apologies for quitting like that... it's all Zach's fault, PChat went beserk.
06:15:50 <ChrisMorgan> Suddenly it started guzzling the (single core) processor
06:16:15 <Scriptdaemon> What am I looking for in the inner process again?
06:16:30 <ChrisMorgan> PortableApps.comLocaleName
06:16:53 <Scriptdaemon> Ah, yeah, not there. Neither are any of the other language variables.
06:17:15 <ChrisMorgan> At what stage is this? And are they in the outer process?
06:18:50 <Scriptdaemon> Ah, wait a minute. There it is. When it expands 'english' to 'english' (why does it need to do that, by the way? Lowercase?) the inner process vars are all set to English, but the outer is still Greek.
06:20:13 <ChrisMorgan> At what point of time is this?
06:21:05 <Scriptdaemon> I believe it's the window just after setting LocaleName to ENGLISH.
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06:23:41 <ChrisMorgan> Dear dear... this is not good. ZachThibeau, PChat just started guzzling again...
06:23:57 <Scriptdaemon> Yeah, it sets all of that in the inner process at the message where it changes LocaleName to `ENGLISH`
06:24:28 <Scriptdaemon> Which version are you testing?
06:24:40 <ChrisMorgan> So in the inner one the variables are either (a) not set or (b) for LANG_ENGLISH
06:24:58 <ChrisMorgan> I'm not testing it at all as I don't have an admin password for this computer.
06:25:19 <Scriptdaemon> using* and I meant for PChat.
06:25:48 <ChrisMorgan> 1.0.3
06:25:54 <Scriptdaemon> Up until the message I just said it's case a, and then at the message and after it is case b.
06:26:09 <Scriptdaemon> that message*
06:26:16 <ChrisMorgan> When (a) is the case it sets them all to the default values, (b)
06:26:29 <ChrisMorgan> Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. What is happening to the environment?
06:26:44 <Scriptdaemon> Armageddon?
06:27:06 <ChrisMorgan> I suggest that you wait till I do something.
06:27:10 <ChrisMorgan> And I never will :D
06:27:24 <ChrisMorgan> Ask other people to test it.
06:27:45 <Scriptdaemon> And if they come to the same conclusions? =P
06:28:09 <ChrisMorgan> Then I'd give up in disgust and hope that you could do better.
06:28:26 <Scriptdaemon> That's a terrible plan.
06:28:56 <ChrisMorgan> Possibly :-)
06:29:02 <ChrisMorgan> I really don't know, though.
06:29:09 <ChrisMorgan> I'm utterly bamboozled, et cetera
06:29:22 <Scriptdaemon> Get a laptop with admin privs?
06:29:44 <ChrisMorgan> Well I do have Vista installed on my laptop at home which I run Ubuntu on.
06:29:54 <ChrisMorgan> I doubt that it'd run though. I pulled its guts out.
06:30:26 <ChrisMorgan> I think I need to just shuffle the partitions around on my disk and install that copy of Vista freshly in a virtual machine.
06:30:59 <Scriptdaemon> Sounds good.
06:31:18 <ChrisMorgan> But I'm too lazy, busy etc. to do that for a long, long time :D
06:31:36 <Scriptdaemon> Pft.
06:32:45 <Scriptdaemon> Well, anyway. Off to bed, number theory & proof class tomorrow morning.
06:33:17 <ChrisMorgan> Good night.
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06:33:26 <ChrisMorgan> I should toddle off home some time soon.
07:02:30 <ChrisMorgan> Bye, I'm off now.
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15:41:22 <Bnovo> I need help! I spent most of yesterday trying to figure out how to transfer all my settings and emails to portable thunderbird.
15:41:44 <Bnovo> I found mty profile but I can't open it
15:42:46 <Bnovo> I have tried following instructions here but nothing has worked.
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16:40:19 <Simeon1> hi all
16:40:27 <MaienM> hello Simeon1
16:40:53 <Simeon1> looks like I have to get my nick back :)
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18:09:15 <pa_1079> Will portable apps run from an android phone?
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19:13:52 <Gizmokid2005> anyone around use Skype Portable?
19:14:12 <Rapscallion> Yeah i use (although not alot)
19:14:22 <Gizmokid2005> I should add, on win7?
19:14:32 <Rapscallion> yeah win7 32bit
19:14:43 <Gizmokid2005> does skype stay in your taskbar now when it's running?
19:14:53 <Rapscallion> yeah... :-(
19:14:53 <Gizmokid2005> I used to be able to close the main window and it would minimize to the tray...
19:14:56 <Gizmokid2005> now it won't...
19:15:03 <Rapscallion> I know I dont like that either
19:15:09 <Gizmokid2005> Hmmmm, so it's not just me...
19:15:16 <Rapscallion> unfortunately no
19:15:18 <Gizmokid2005> I suppose it's time to scour Skype's help...or email them.
19:15:24 <Gizmokid2005> because that's INFINITELY annoying
19:15:36 <Gizmokid2005> if I wanted it there, I'd have just minimized it.
19:15:39 <Gizmokid2005> not closed it.
19:15:41 <Rapscallion> I have not really looked into it that much (since I dont use the prtable verison that much) but there may be a work around/fix
19:15:55 <sar3th> skype fail :(
19:15:59 <sar3th> same for the menu :/
19:16:14 <Gizmokid2005> sar3th: the menu doesn't do that anymore
19:16:27 <sar3th> it's fixed? :I
19:16:33 <sar3th> *:O
19:16:33 <Gizmokid2005> that's what I'm thinking Rapscallion, if I find one I'll let you know
19:16:38 <Gizmokid2005> sar3th: yeah, just a line in the .ini
19:16:48 <sar3th> ooh yeah, i remember
19:16:59 <Gizmokid2005> Windows7TaskbarIcon=false
19:17:00 <Gizmokid2005> ;)
19:17:30 <sar3th> memory fail, sorry <_<
19:17:35 <Gizmokid2005> no worries
19:18:13 <Rapscallion> Actually about he PAP menu... one thing I noticed that kinda bugs me is if I pin it to the task bar and then move it right next to the start orb.. it never stays there. It always eventually reverts back to being at teh far right of all pinned apps.
19:18:25 <Rapscallion> have you seen this at all?
19:18:43 <Gizmokid2005> Rapscallion: I can't say I have...I don't have it pinned though, since I disabled the icon completely
19:18:50 <Rapscallion> hmm
19:20:10 <sar3th> i think it might be some error in the showInTaskbar things
19:20:16 <Rapscallion> Gizmokid2005: I am guessing it has something to do withthe fact that the drive is not always there and Win7 does not keep the pin location if it does not see the app. But I can;t seme to duplicate this on demand
19:20:41 <Gizmokid2005> I'm willing to bet that's the case Rapscallion, but there's probably some caching involved as well
19:22:01 <Rapscallion> Ill post it in the forum, maybe someone will make my day and have a solution :-)
19:22:47 <Gizmokid2005> best bet :)
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19:36:31 <Gizmokid2005> well, email sent, we'll see what they say.
19:36:40 <Rapscallion> cool
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19:57:59 <pa_9532> Hello
19:58:17 <pa_9532> Any one there
19:58:47 <pa_9532> I need help!!
19:59:32 <Rapscallion> what is your issue
20:00:08 <pa_9532> I installed portable apps several undred times and it wont work the second time.
20:00:18 <pa_9532> It will start after I install it
20:00:29 <pa_9532> but won after that
20:01:00 <Rapscallion> Are you installing it on a local drive or a USB drive
20:01:24 <pa_9532> I tried downloading it in many different ways and sources and computers and it still didnt work. I installed it on a USB drive
20:02:30 <Rapscallion> I am guessing that there are drive errors. Try moving the portable apps to a local folder and see if you get the same error. You should also run a Checkdisk on the USB drive
20:02:41 <Rapscallion> What kind of drive is it?
20:03:06 <sar3th> pa_9532: have you been here with this problem before?
20:03:19 <pa_9532> Its a data Traveler 16 gig,
20:03:54 <pa_9532> no. I checked the site out before comming here, whic is why I tried downloading it differently
20:05:01 <pa_9532> I did a check on the drive and everything was ok, I even reformatted it
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20:06:08 <pa_8185> good afternoon!
20:06:25 <pa_9532> I'll try moving it to a different folder.
20:06:33 <Rapscallion> pa_9532: Even so I still suspect the drive. Try installing to a local folder and try it,
20:06:39 <pa_9532> hi
20:06:42 <Rapscallion> Hello pa_8185
20:06:58 <pa_9532> ok
20:06:59 <pa_8185> I need to make a portable application of a software of my company, can you guys help me on how to make it?
20:07:50 <Rapscallion> pa_8185: Start here http://portableapps.com/development you will find alot of info and docs on how to make your app portable
20:08:24 <pa_8185> where should I start
20:10:43 <Rapscallion> For the untechnical version... First you need to know what it is about the app that is stopping it from being portable (ie registry keys written locally, or local files saved etc.) once you have dtermined this you can start on writing the launcher to take care of waht you found.
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20:11:50 <Alcasar> Hi, Is there a way for ff portable "not" to see the local instalation of firefox?
20:11:55 <Rapscallion> The launchers use NSIS but you can also use "PortableApps.com Launcher 2.0 Beta" http://portableapps.com/node/23109 if you dont want to do any scripting.
20:12:44 <Alcasar> Rapscallion: ??? sorry i don't understand "scripting?"
20:12:52 <pa_8185> thats a nice thing, because I dont know how to do any scripting
20:13:29 <Rapscallion> sorry Alcasar I was resonding to another question
20:13:37 <Alcasar> ok
20:14:53 <Rapscallion> pa_8185: take a look at the docs for PortableApps.com Launcher 2.0 Beta and if you have any question then post back here or create a thread at http://portableapps.com/forums
20:15:12 <Alcasar> My problem is that my ff 3.6 portable sees the local installation (public computer) of ff 3.0 with its old plugins and java
20:15:40 <Gizmokid2005> Alcasar: how so?
20:16:05 <Gizmokid2005> FFP will use the same plugins that are installed on the local machine, java, flash, etc, stuff that isn't already portable.
20:16:54 <Alcasar> Gizmokid2005: don't know it just does in the add-ons window
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20:17:11 <Gizmokid2005> Alcasar: history/bookmarks the same as the local version as well?
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20:17:46 <Alcasar> Gizmokid2005: Can i make ffp stop doing that if i have Java portable and the other plugins also in the portable folders
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20:18:16 <pa_8185> ok, thank you so much for your help! I'll try do the things you said
20:18:17 <Alcasar> Gizmokid2005: No, not the profile stuff
20:18:35 <Gizmokid2005> Alcasar: that's doubtful....I do belive that ff will always look in the local machine first (registry) for it's required plugins.
20:18:48 <Gizmokid2005> do the same addons show up on a different computer?
20:19:05 <Gizmokid2005> because the only addons that should be installed in ffp from the local version are those that are installed globally.
20:19:10 <Gizmokid2005> which you can't do anything about.
20:19:14 <Gizmokid2005> like Java QuickStarter
20:19:16 <Gizmokid2005> and a few others
20:19:17 <Alcasar> Nope, not the ones that aren't on my USB drive
20:19:53 <Alcasar> There's really "nothing" that can stop ffp from looking in the registry
20:19:59 <Gizmokid2005> right.
20:20:13 <Gizmokid2005> and the plugins that are installed globally will be installed in FFP when it launches
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20:20:38 <Alcasar> Coz it even confuses java's own site, one page says i have 19 and the other says 15
20:21:04 <Gizmokid2005> then it's an issue with the local machine
20:21:09 <Gizmokid2005> having multiple copies of java installed
20:21:14 <Gizmokid2005> because java cannot be made portable.
20:21:19 <Gizmokid2005> not for the firefox plugin
20:21:21 <Alcasar> ya 15 is one the local machine
20:21:33 <Gizmokid2005> there's more than 15 if java's site see's 19 as well
20:21:42 <Alcasar> sure it can, i just used the ini file to point to it in the common files
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20:22:36 <Gizmokid2005> Alcasar: no, if the browser requires java, it'll use the local version
20:22:44 <Alcasar> Actualy on the local comp there seems to be 13 and 15
20:23:58 <Rapscallion> According to the first post in this thread http://portableapps.com/news/2010-03-31-_java_portable_6_update_19 "Firefox Portable doesn't respect portable java (Java plugin at least)" Posted by OliverK
20:23:59 <Alcasar> well about:plugins says i have 13, 15 and 19
20:25:49 <Gizmokid2005> Alcasar: if you close FFP, and remove the ini entry and do it again, does it still show all 3?
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20:27:17 <Alcasar> No, just the 13 and 15
20:27:41 <Gizmokid2005> Hmmm
20:28:02 <Gizmokid2005> best ask JohnTHaller about that one...it doesn't make sense, to my knowledge, you couldn't make FFP use JavaPortable
20:28:45 <JohnTHaller> what's up
20:29:03 <Alcasar> I'm trying to "re"find where i got that from but i'm sure it was on this site well portableapps site
20:29:26 <JohnTHaller> FF and Java Portable?
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20:30:09 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: yeah, Alcasar added some ini line, apparently, and now instead of just using the local java, ffp is seeing both java vers on the machine, 13 and 15, as well as the portable version, 19.
20:30:29 <Gizmokid2005> he'd originally wanted to know if there was a way to stop local plugins/addons from showing up in ffp
20:31:14 <JohnTHaller> you can't stop local plugins from showing up in ffp
20:31:35 <Gizmokid2005> which is what I said, because they are global plugins, it's just one of those things.
20:31:45 <Alcasar> :-(
20:31:49 <JohnTHaller> ffp can't use portable java, only the one registered on the local machine (a limitation of Sun's closed-source java plugin). We can change the local reg key to point to the portable java, but only with admin rights
20:34:05 <Alcasar> This page says i should update to 19 http://www.java.com/en/download/dt_verify.jsp?plugin=true&latest=false&users_jre=1.6.0_15
20:34:32 <JohnTHaller> yeah, prob because the local machine's java is v15
20:34:33 <Alcasar> but this one says i'm using 19 http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml
20:35:14 <JohnTHaller> No idea. I don't know how those two things work. I just know how FF works and the standard Sun Java plugin works. If you've customized or reconfigured any of it, you're kinda on your own.
20:36:01 <Alcasar> One is about the jsp what ever that is and the other about the vm witch would be the virtual machine i think
20:38:03 <Alcasar> The only thing i did was put "PluginsDirectory=..\CommonFiles\Java\bin\new_plugin" in the ini file
20:39:25 <Alcasar> And i got that suggestion here well not on the irc chat probably in the forum or a comment somewhere
20:40:12 <JohnTHaller> ah. which would use the current java plugin (from Java Portable) but will connect with the local JVM, not the portable one
20:40:54 <JohnTHaller> that'll produce worse results than leaving the PluginsDirectory off
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20:46:28 <Alcasar> so the vm test would see the plugin not the vm
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20:51:27 <Alcasar> ok restart i want to test something brb
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22:28:21 <marlop> hi ZachThibeau, do i need to install anything to run the PChat 1.0.3 x64 ?
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22:46:05 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com developer and moderator and works on the PortableApps.com Launcher (please test it!)
22:48:02 <ChrisMorgan> I'm hoping I'll manage to get PAL2b3 out today.
22:48:24 <ChrisMorgan> I intended to yesterday but then got caught up with documentation etc. fixes
22:52:16 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: how's the feature creep in the Platform 2.0 Beta 5 going?
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23:31:16 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... PortableApps.com AppCompactor doesn't work in Wine.
23:31:53 <vf2nsr> Maybe you are using it in the wroing WINE try a Zifandel ;) lol
23:32:13 <vf2nsr> j/k
23:32:58 <ChrisMorgan> How fascinating. Running it in my VM seems to have caused recursion in the directory searching...
23:33:15 <ChrisMorgan> This thing does *not* have 1500 directories and 3000 files (and growing)
23:34:12 <ChrisMorgan> That's running it across a VirtualBox shared folder...
23:34:59 <ChrisMorgan> That's something I'll need to look into.
23:39:04 <ChrisMorgan> Ah, the wonders of UPX... Mnemosyne from 19903KB down to 8764KB.
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23:41:17 <ChrisMorgan> I think I'm going to see if I can quickly do 2b3 now instead of waiting till I'm at Uni.
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23:43:46 <Scriptdaemon> ChrisMorgan: Fix the launcher yet? =P
23:44:15 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon: you're the only one who's experiencing that issue. I can't reproduce it at all.
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23:45:00 <Scriptdaemon> As in, the only one who has tested Revo Uninstaller Portable with admin?
23:45:03 <Samuel> hi ?
23:45:10 <Scriptdaemon> Hello Samuel.
23:45:14 <Samuel> hi
23:45:18 <Samuel> Mmm..
23:45:32 <Samuel> will u guys get more program for this app
23:46:01 <Samuel> on of my friend showed u guys having more apps but i cant find more
23:46:06 <Samuel> one*
23:46:33 <Scriptdaemon> There is a beta testing forum for apps that have not been made official here, if you would like to browse.
23:46:45 <Scriptdaemon> http://portableapps.com/forums/development/beta_testing
23:46:47 <Samuel> oh ok thnx thats the one
23:46:50 <ChrisMorgan> Samuel: have you looked through http://portableapps.com/apps
23:46:50 <ChrisMorgan> ?
23:46:58 <Samuel> yea
23:47:11 <Samuel> the beta testing thnx
23:47:30 <Scriptdaemon> You're welcome. In time, some of those will (hopefully) be made official.
23:47:37 <Samuel> ok
23:47:42 <Scriptdaemon> some/most/a lot*
23:47:43 <Samuel> can i download the beta apps ?
23:47:49 <Scriptdaemon> Yes.
23:47:56 <Samuel> ok
23:48:00 <Scriptdaemon> There should be a link inside the thread of the app you want to download.
23:48:04 <Samuel> thank you
23:48:06 <Samuel> bye
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23:48:44 <Scriptdaemon> ChrisMorgan: Do you think it's a conflist with apps that require RunAsAmin, or just the fact that I *have* admin?
23:48:48 <Scriptdaemon> conflict*
23:49:13 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon: I really have no idea. The issue you are reporting should be impossible.
23:49:28 <ChrisMorgan> And quite frankly, I think I may not be able to do anything about it.
23:49:57 <Scriptdaemon> I've updated to the current tip, so I'll give that a try when I get off work. I don't think it'd matter though.
23:50:49 <Scriptdaemon> I'm going to test OpenTTD as well. It doesn't need RunAsAdmin since it's a game, so we'll see if it works for me.
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23:51:34 <Scriptdaemon> You sure there's no conflict with it passing the variables from the outer instance to the inner?
23:52:57 <ChrisMorgan> Insofar as I am aware, it's not possible.
23:53:40 <marlop> Scriptdaemon, give me the link and i test
23:54:01 <Scriptdaemon> One minute.
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23:57:23 <Scriptdaemon> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1442139/Projects/RevoUninstallerPortable.zip
23:58:27 <Scriptdaemon> marlop: Just unzip that to your PortableApps folder. The problem is that it *should* automatically switch languages according to what the current language of the menu is, but it isn't. (Try Greek or German, for example).
23:58:39 <Scriptdaemon> You have admin privs, correct?
23:58:55 <marlop> y
23:58:59 <marlop> and no
23:59:05 <marlop> win 7
23:59:18 <Scriptdaemon> Oh, then you can't test my problem if you don't have admin.