IRC Log from 2010-04-19
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00:25:03 <Scriptdaemon> ZachThibeau: Indeed. =P
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00:25:39 <ZachThibeau> I've been working with ptmb on a theme port for my forum
00:30:31 <Scriptdaemon> Nice.
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03:08:29 <vf2nsr> Evening Chris
03:08:36 <ChrisMorgan> Good afternoon.
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03:21:14 <vf2nsr> ChrisMorgan, will FiledMove handle a .bootstrap file?
03:21:28 <ChrisMorgan> vf2nsr, it should handle any file name.
03:21:38 <vf2nsr> :(\
03:22:06 <ChrisMorgan> If in danger or in doubt, make a debug build.
03:22:07 <vf2nsr> ok so the order is to have it in the settings folder and move it to userprofile?
03:22:34 <ChrisMorgan> It doesn't /need/ to be in settings but that's the convention.
03:22:36 <vf2nsr> or should I have it the other way around?
03:22:43 <ChrisMorgan> Definitely not.
03:23:01 <vf2nsr> hmm I can't seem to get it to move
03:23:17 <ChrisMorgan> Make a debug build, see what it says it's doing. It should be working.
03:23:35 <vf2nsr> After the program is done it should remove it from userprofiule? or do I need more code to do that?
03:23:52 <ChrisMorgan> No, that's all done automatically (refer to the manual)
03:24:21 <vf2nsr> I am I have it right in front of me
03:24:25 <vf2nsr> and printed
03:24:30 <vf2nsr> with lots of notes lol
03:24:31 <ChrisMorgan> Printed!
03:24:36 <vf2nsr> ok will make debug
03:24:46 <ChrisMorgan> Just be aware that the contents of the manual is subject to change.
03:24:48 <vf2nsr> Yes Printed
03:24:57 <vf2nsr> I relealize that
03:25:21 <ChrisMorgan> After 3.0 maybe I'll write a whole book about it and start selling that and get millions of dollars. It needs a *lot* more content first though!
03:25:24 <vf2nsr> OK gonna try it in a debug mode see what I see
03:25:40 <vf2nsr> well draw stick figures lol
03:26:07 <ChrisMorgan> ... why?
03:28:33 <vf2nsr> mopre pages
03:28:57 <ChrisMorgan> ?
03:29:07 <vf2nsr> ok it says file before parsing is at userporfile nad after parsing at settings
03:29:34 <vf2nsr> more pages for more content fo rbook
03:29:45 <vf2nsr> for book *
03:30:14 <vf2nsr> Is there a way to have debug create a txt filew of what it is doing?
03:30:33 <ChrisMorgan> No. That could possibly be a useful way of doing it.
03:33:45 <vf2nsr> Well yes instead of me saying at each box to myself hmm is that right?
03:34:04 <vf2nsr> I could look baack at text
03:34:59 <ChrisMorgan> So when it came to the "Copying $0 to $1" debug message what exactly did it say?
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03:37:55 <vf2nsr> one second will run again
03:38:46 <vf2nsr> also I think I just discovered another fly in ointment so to speak but let me address your question...and see that is why a text copy would be nice I could pastebin it lol
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03:39:09 <ChrisMorgan> You can copy message boxes with Ctrl+C.
03:39:49 <vf2nsr> --------------------------- PortableApps.com Launcher --------------------------- Debug message at line 217.9.2.1.8 Segment: FilesMove Hook: PrePrimary ____________________ Before location parsing, $1 = `SERPROFILE%` --------------------------- OK Cancel ---------------------------
03:40:15 <ChrisMorgan> SERPROFILE%?
03:40:49 <vf2nsr> For some reason in chat zilla U doesnt show witrh a " in front of it
03:41:01 <vf2nsr> or I mean a "%
03:41:07 <ChrisMorgan> I'm asking more about the "Copying $0 to $1" one - then I get from and to in one string.
03:41:17 <vf2nsr> oh ok
03:42:00 <vf2nsr> Maybe it would make more sense to copy each, put in a text file then paste bin it?
03:42:29 <ChrisMorgan> All I need is the Copying $0 to $1 one. That says all that's needed.
03:43:11 <ChrisMorgan> Come to think of it, you're not using Beta 3, are you?
03:43:32 <ChrisMorgan> The ParseLocations message changed before then to put before and after in one box.
03:43:45 <ChrisMorgan> For starters you should update to Beta 3 or the hg tip
03:43:46 <vf2nsr> yes I am
03:44:16 <vf2nsr> hg tip?
03:44:35 <ChrisMorgan> I think you'd better check the executable's version number. It can't be Beta 3. The message is wrong.
03:44:52 <ChrisMorgan> hg tip - the latest revision ("tip") in the (hg) repository.
03:45:56 <vf2nsr> Ok hang on I see what happened
03:46:23 <vf2nsr> When I updated The debug I had made previously stayed guess I need to recompiple a debu copy
03:46:38 <ChrisMorgan> Maybe I should try to put the version number in the debug message. That could simplify it possibly.
03:46:40 <vf2nsr> debug*
03:48:04 <vf2nsr> as soon as I find the file I made fo rit lol
03:51:10 <vf2nsr> Ok I give up I messed up and can not find the code I need to include in the debug file to recompile it
03:51:22 <vf2nsr> will look at NSIS manual
03:51:28 <ChrisMorgan> It's in the PAL manual.
03:51:38 <vf2nsr> the one in file?
03:51:38 <ChrisMorgan> `!define DEBUG_SEGMENT_FilesMove` will do
03:52:12 <ChrisMorgan> http://portableapps.chrismorgan.info/portableapps/launcher/docs/advanced/debug/#advanced-debug
03:53:05 <vf2nsr> ok I found it in manunal
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03:55:44 <vf2nsr> ok let me recompile bbiaf
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03:56:00 <ChrisMorgan> And I'm about to go too, off to a lecture.
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03:59:29 <ChrisMorgan> Think I've got debug output to file so it will work.
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04:07:25 <vf2nsr> Dang ChrisMorgan Left?
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04:37:35 <Gringoloco> vf2nsr: You did read the manual, even printed it !
04:38:37 <vf2nsr> Yes
04:38:41 <vf2nsr> Why?
04:38:55 <vf2nsr> what have I done wrong?
04:39:23 <Gringoloco> I'm just surprised, anyway is your problem sorted now?
04:39:45 <Gringoloco> No nothing wrong. Reading manual is good.
04:40:25 <vf2nsr> Nope I was talking with ChrisMorgan and ran it in debug had it pastebin fo rhim but he left
04:40:34 <vf2nsr> still not moving the file
04:40:52 <Gringoloco> It should not be 'SERPROFILE%' !
04:41:16 <Gringoloco> '%USERPROFILE%' is better
04:41:36 <OliverK|Away> i think it might be chatzilla messing with %u?
04:41:39 <Gringoloco> How come you do not include the first 2 characters
04:41:49 <vf2nsr> the s is not from me from the copy and paste with Chatzilla
04:42:06 <Gringoloco> ok
04:42:09 <vf2nsr> "SERPROFILE%"
04:42:13 <vf2nsr> see
04:42:36 <vf2nsr> " SERPROFILE%" works?
04:42:41 <vf2nsr> Nope
04:42:46 <Gringoloco> PChat is fine
04:42:51 <vf2nsr> " % USERPROFILE%"
04:43:01 <OliverK|Away> so is mirnad %userprofrile%
04:43:05 <OliverK|Away> miranda*
04:43:11 <vf2nsr> I was using pidgin but liked the isea of chatzilla
04:43:32 <Gringoloco> Try '%%USERPROFILE%'
04:43:51 <vf2nsr> http://pastebin.com/ABvafTX8 take a look at debug log on momvefiles
04:44:21 <vf2nsr> movefiles* even
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04:47:22 <Gringoloco> I can't see it actually copying the file in PrePrimary
04:48:00 <vf2nsr> Nope that is the issue
04:48:08 <vf2nsr> But I wondersomething
04:48:22 <vf2nsr> let me try something
04:49:12 <Gringoloco> vf2nsr: good idea of the printed debug messagebox !
04:49:46 <vf2nsr> yes I cut and pasted but wish it was a feature...chris said he thought so...you reading log?
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04:54:43 <vf2nsr> nope that idea not work gonna try one more
04:55:31 <vf2nsr> nope can not get it to read from PA and place it in userprofile
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05:00:34 <vf2nsr> WB ChrisMorgan
05:00:40 <ChrisMorgan> Hello.
05:00:58 <ChrisMorgan> So K:\PortableApps\JajukPortable\Data\settings\jajuk.bootstrap didn't exist at the start?
05:01:14 <vf2nsr> that's ok gringoloco yesterday I toaste my system did a restore but nothing left in mydocs or in adrress book :(
05:01:23 <vf2nsr> Yes it di
05:01:25 <vf2nsr> d
05:01:30 <vf2nsr> Yes it did
05:01:56 <vf2nsr> and still does
05:02:25 <vf2nsr> I wonder if it has anything to do with placing it in settings
05:02:45 <ChrisMorgan> It shouldn't do.
05:02:46 <vf2nsr> as in the localhost it is in docsand settings root
05:03:22 <vf2nsr> not settings dir
05:03:51 <ChrisMorgan> It shouldn't do.
05:04:08 <vf2nsr> so you saw the pastebin I have no idea what I doing wrong?
05:04:13 <ChrisMorgan> ${If} ${FileExists} $0
05:04:42 <vf2nsr> so remove the one in local host?
05:04:45 <Gringoloco> If not exists no copying and no debugmessage !
05:05:22 <ChrisMorgan> Gringoloco: quite so. That's why I'm saying K:\PortableApps\JajukPortable\Data\settings\jajuk.bootstrap isn't be there...
05:05:57 <vf2nsr> I confused reve the on efrom PA or localhost?
05:05:58 <ChrisMorgan> vf2nsr: that's not the full debug output, is it?
05:06:15 <vf2nsr> yes you only told me to debug files move
05:06:18 <ChrisMorgan> vf2nsr, I'm saying that it /can't/ be there in Data\settings, otherwise it'd work.
05:06:40 <vf2nsr> ok let me pull it then and try
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05:07:03 <ChrisMorgan> Wait, I was forgetting a tad how it's done. Yes, that would be the full output.
05:07:24 <vf2nsr> so it should be in data?
05:07:30 <ChrisMorgan> No.
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05:07:41 <ChrisMorgan> Could you please try putting in before line 26 (${If} ${FileExists} $0) of FilesMove.nsh, a ${DebugMsg} $0?
05:07:48 <ChrisMorgan> That'd tell what the file is.
05:08:14 <vf2nsr> in the debuglauncher?
05:08:27 <ChrisMorgan> In FilesMove.nsh.
05:08:40 <vf2nsr> ok one moment
05:08:53 <ChrisMorgan> K:\PortableApps\PortableApps.comLauncher\Other\Source\Segments\FilesMove.nsh
05:09:05 <vf2nsr> ok one moment
05:10:25 <vf2nsr> then recompile and run?
05:10:42 <ChrisMorgan> Yep. (Run the Generator.)
05:11:18 <vf2nsr> genrator the the jajuk ok
05:11:28 <vf2nsr> one moment
05:13:53 <vf2nsr> Invalid command: (!insertmacro Error in macro FilesMove.nsh_PrePrimary on macroline 9 Error in macro RunSegment on macroline 10 Error in script "K:\PortableApps\PortableApps.comLauncher\Other\Source\PortableApps.comLauncher.nsi" on line 264 -- aborting creation process
05:14:29 <ChrisMorgan> Did you put in "${DebugMsg} $0"?
05:14:43 <Gringoloco> There must be some error statement just above
05:15:04 <vf2nsr> let me try something
05:15:25 <ChrisMorgan> That line exactly, between the ${EndIf} line and the ${If} ${FileExists} $0 line
05:15:50 <vf2nsr> ok
05:17:41 <vf2nsr> same error
05:18:07 <ChrisMorgan> Is your text editor doing something weird?
05:18:11 <Gringoloco> What's the invalid command ? in the NSIS log
05:18:24 <ChrisMorgan> vf2nsr, what text editor are you using?
05:18:33 <vf2nsr> notepad++
05:19:00 <vf2nsr> Rename $1 $1-BackupBy$AppID (${If} ${FileExists} $0) ${DebugMsg} $0 ${EndIf}
05:19:19 <ChrisMorgan> vf2nsr: ??
05:19:38 <vf2nsr> that is from movefile.nsh
05:19:45 <Gringoloco> ${EndIf}
05:19:45 <Gringoloco> ${DebugMsg} "$0"
05:19:45 <Gringoloco> ${If} ${FileExists} $0
05:19:47 <vf2nsr> where you told me to change it
05:19:51 <ChrisMorgan> JUST ${DebugMsg} $0, and before ${If} ${FileExists} $0
05:20:03 <ChrisMorgan> Not before the ${EndIf}.
05:20:38 <ChrisMorgan> It's suddenly occurred to me that the source files are have a mix of LF (unix) and CRLF (dos) line endings... that's probably not such a good idea.
05:21:02 <ChrisMorgan> (Merely from the coding practice perspective; there's no harm in it.)
05:21:47 <vf2nsr> I am confused 2 different messags from 2 people who or what should I do?
05:22:00 <ChrisMorgan> We're saying exactly the same thing.
05:22:18 <ChrisMorgan> After ${EndIf} and before ${If} ${FileExists} $0, you need to add a line ${DebugMsg} $0
05:24:15 <vf2nsr> so it was after line 26 not before?
05:24:33 <Gringoloco> Here is a copy of the FilesMove.nsh including the additional message
05:24:36 <Gringoloco> http://pastebin.com/VFRBvCWc
05:24:42 <ChrisMorgan> By my line numbering it's before line 26.
05:26:17 <vf2nsr> ok if you say so
05:26:32 <vf2nsr> but not on my screen I got what gringo placed will save and run
05:27:54 <vf2nsr> !include: error in script: "Segments\FilesMove.nsh" on line 144
05:27:56 <vf2nsr> !include: error in script: "Segments.nsh" on line 94 this is after your commands gringoloco
05:28:26 <ChrisMorgan> On line 144? There aren't that many lines.
05:28:31 <ChrisMorgan> There are only 72.
05:28:47 <ChrisMorgan> But the fact that it's twice 72 suggests to me something's getting messed up in the file encoding.
05:28:48 <vf2nsr> in what gringo pate buin?
05:29:10 <ChrisMorgan> Or 73 in what he pasted.
05:29:39 <Gringoloco> It's beta 3 file, hmmm sorry !
05:29:47 <vf2nsr> maybe my mistake let me redo
05:30:34 <ChrisMorgan> Gringoloco, no, that's correct. There have been no changes to the file since Beta 3.
05:30:58 <ChrisMorgan> (Though for myself I avoid quotes where possible. I have a strange aversion to them.
05:31:06 <ChrisMorgan> )
05:32:15 <vf2nsr> !include: error in script: "Segments\FilesMove.nsh" on line 1
05:32:37 <ChrisMorgan> Could you please pastebin the NSIS compiler output?
05:32:46 <ChrisMorgan> Are you using Unicode NSIS or NSIS?
05:33:35 <vf2nsr> unicode you told me to run the generator not compile it?
05:33:52 <vf2nsr> which do you want me to do?
05:34:17 <ChrisMorgan> vf2nsr: the Generator runs the compiler with the options set correctly.
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05:34:28 <ChrisMorgan> So that is the compiler output.
05:34:40 <vf2nsr> well I am sorry I thought you menat teh PA Generator
05:34:50 <vf2nsr> that may be the problem
05:35:11 <ChrisMorgan> ?
05:35:27 <ChrisMorgan> I said to run the PortableApps.com Launcher Generator on the directory. What have you been doing?
05:35:53 <vf2nsr> that is what I had been doing
05:36:03 <ChrisMorgan> Good.
05:36:13 <Gringoloco> vf2nsr: do you use teamviewer ?
05:36:35 <vf2nsr> so ahould I compile it with the unicodensis or with teh PAlauncher generator?
05:36:50 <vf2nsr> I have it gringoloco
05:36:52 <ChrisMorgan> vf2nsr: the PAL Generator *runs* NSISu.
05:38:15 <vf2nsr> gringoloco send pm
05:38:55 <Gringoloco> I think I'll need your ID & password ?
05:39:09 <vf2nsr> yes that is why I said send pm
05:39:23 <vf2nsr> unless you want it here
05:39:44 <Gringoloco> Hmm, Pchat is new to me, can't see it?
05:39:58 <vf2nsr> I asked you to send me one
05:39:59 <ChrisMorgan> Gringoloco, he's asking whether he can send a PM.
05:39:59 <Gringoloco> Pasword is temp. anyway
05:40:09 <vf2nsr> 652 150 933 that is id
05:40:34 <vf2nsr> 9656 is password
05:40:52 <ChrisMorgan> *Swoosh* /me takes control of vf2nsr's computer ;-)
05:41:22 <Gringoloco> Sorry, my version of teamviewer is out of date
05:41:23 <vf2nsr> yopu use old vertsion
05:42:06 <vf2nsr> so what next?
05:42:40 <Gringoloco> updating....
05:43:15 <vf2nsr> ok do I have time to run upstairs and grab coffee?
05:43:26 <Gringoloco> Ofcourse
05:43:45 <ChrisMorgan> If you don't mind your computer being taken over in the mean time... ;-)
05:44:40 <Gringoloco> This was just getting messy
05:45:12 <ChrisMorgan> Quite so.
05:45:40 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... Error: invalid characters in variable name "$_DebugMsg_File", use only characters [a-z][A-Z][0-9] and _T('_')
05:45:58 <vf2nsr> so are y ou in?
05:46:33 <Gringoloco> are you sure it's still the same password ?
05:46:37 <ChrisMorgan> No, this is just my new debugging stuff I'm working on. Writing to file.
05:46:45 <ChrisMorgan> I haven't tried to connect to you, I don't have TeamViewer.
05:46:55 <vf2nsr> 652 150 933 id 4014
05:46:58 <ChrisMorgan> I know why... When using Var you don't include the $
05:47:17 <Gringoloco> that's better
05:47:28 <vf2nsr> ok
05:47:37 <vf2nsr> want me to close anything?
05:47:47 <Gringoloco> I will..
05:47:52 <vf2nsr> :)
05:49:28 <Gringoloco> That should do the job
05:49:55 <vf2nsr> ok so save it and run generator?
05:50:11 <Gringoloco> Probably, yes
05:50:19 <ChrisMorgan> It's probably easier if you let Gringoloco control it as much as possible.
05:50:28 <vf2nsr> ok all his
05:52:32 <vf2nsr> di dyou end it gringoloco?
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05:59:44 <ChrisMorgan> My debug-logging-to-file seems to be solid, even if not very pretty.
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06:02:32 <ChrisMorgan> Gringoloco: any luck?
06:04:49 <Gringoloco> yes, it's fine
06:06:17 <ChrisMorgan> You got it working?
06:08:28 <Gringoloco> Yes, some typos and includded pastebin's line numbers
06:08:33 <ChrisMorgan> Erk.
06:08:37 <Gringoloco> 144 lines !
06:08:41 <ChrisMorgan> How about the actual PAL issue?
06:08:48 <Gringoloco> typo
06:08:59 <ChrisMorgan> With him?
06:09:11 <Gringoloco> yes
06:09:13 <ChrisMorgan> Not my fault?
06:09:15 <ChrisMorgan> :-)
06:09:26 <ChrisMorgan> Could you please report in the thread then to say that's cleared up?
06:10:01 <ChrisMorgan> Writing debug messages to a file (Data\debug.log) has now been pushed and is available in tip.
06:10:36 <Gringoloco> super
06:10:44 <ChrisMorgan> The file format is slightly variable. It uses CRLF but some debug messages are currently just LF (because I was lazy; with MessageBox you don't need $\r, just $\n)
06:11:20 <ChrisMorgan> So in Vim it loads fine until it gets to such a message box and then decides that it isn't in dos LE, it's in Unix, and so I end up with ^M at the end of every other line.
06:11:22 <ChrisMorgan> I'll fix that now.
06:11:32 <ChrisMorgan> Wait, no pageant so it didn't push :-/
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06:12:31 <ChrisMorgan> Really pushed this time.
06:12:38 <ChrisMorgan> Hello, Debray6379, can we help you with anything?
06:13:56 <Debray6379> Hi Chris, no I'm just checking in to keep up with what's going on thanks
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06:15:40 <vf2nsr> Chris I will report how do I get to tip through the mercutrial?
06:15:59 <ChrisMorgan> vf2nsr: what do you have? TortoiseHg or Mercurial?
06:16:12 <vf2nsr> mercurial
06:16:29 <ChrisMorgan> Gringoloco's package?
06:17:09 <vf2nsr> the one I downloaded from sourceforge
06:17:38 <ChrisMorgan> OK. If you cloned it (I presume you did), it'll just be `hg pull` and then `hg up`
06:20:16 <vf2nsr> to be honest I have no idea what I did I sdid what your page told me and saw nothing occur?
06:20:57 <vf2nsr> i ran itr from dos command is all I remember
06:22:51 <ChrisMorgan> Try "hg pull"
06:23:57 <vf2nsr> feeling real foolish here tonight
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06:24:10 <vf2nsr> what its the command to connect to the repository?
06:24:44 <ChrisMorgan> hg pull does that if you're in a branch.
06:24:57 <vf2nsr> hg clone http://portableapps.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/portableapps/launcher
06:25:28 <ChrisMorgan> That would be what you made your clone with.
06:25:40 <vf2nsr> ok
06:25:51 <ChrisMorgan> You do that once, then after that you do "hg pull" and "hg up" to update.
06:26:07 <vf2nsr> hg pull gets me no repository found
06:26:25 <ChrisMorgan> I think you're not in the right directory then.
06:26:36 <ChrisMorgan> You should be in your PAL directory.
06:26:42 <vf2nsr> ah ok
06:28:18 <vf2nsr> ok I ran the firts command from PAL and it brought down many files
06:28:39 <vf2nsr> so they are now in the launcher?
06:29:00 <ChrisMorgan> First command - hg pull or hg clone http://...?
06:29:11 <vf2nsr> hg clone http://portableapps.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/portableapps/launcher
06:29:20 <ChrisMorgan> I thought you already had a clone?
06:29:30 <vf2nsr> apparently the previous Time I saved it to the desktop version
06:29:38 <vf2nsr> not PA version
06:29:51 <ChrisMorgan> hg or pal?
06:29:56 <vf2nsr> or so my notes say
06:30:06 <vf2nsr> pal
06:30:17 <vf2nsr> so now did it to the pa stick
06:31:59 <vf2nsr> said 252 changesets, 615 changes to 191 files
06:32:18 <vf2nsr> 145 files updated
06:32:38 <ChrisMorgan> That should all be correct and ready.
06:32:43 <vf2nsr> ok tyvm
06:32:52 <ChrisMorgan> Next time you come to update this new clone, you'll need to do "hg pull" and then "hg up".
06:32:56 <vf2nsr> did gringo tell you what all the stupidity was?
06:33:26 <ChrisMorgan> All I've seen is that it was a typo.
06:33:31 <vf2nsr> apparently I typo'd teh filename
06:33:38 <ChrisMorgan> Erk.
06:33:41 <vf2nsr> I feel so STUPID
06:33:59 <vf2nsr> wasted everyones time and all
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06:35:49 <ChrisMorgan> If you want to test pull and up you can do so now as I've just committed another revision fixing the newline sequence in debug messages.
06:36:07 <ChrisMorgan> It's unimportant but it gives you an opportunity to make sure you've got it right.
06:36:13 <vf2nsr> opk one moment need to go give dog a med
06:36:15 <ChrisMorgan> In Command Prompt you can do hg pull&&hg up
06:36:43 <ChrisMorgan> Actually only one & is needed... in Linux it's two though so I use && on Windows as well as it does no harm.
06:37:54 * ChrisMorgan got a fix applied upstream for Sphinx (the documentation engine I used) :-) http://www.bitbucket.org/birkenfeld/sphinx/changeset/77eef74fd30a
06:39:38 * ChrisMorgan hates it when people use /me and use a first person pronoun. It really bugs me. Especially when I do it myself :P
06:40:34 <vf2nsr> back
06:41:10 <vf2nsr> I do hg pull says no mecurial found here]
06:41:23 <vf2nsr> should I have instaled mecurial to flash drive?
06:41:55 <ChrisMorgan> It needs to be somewhere in the PATH or a doskey macro.
06:42:01 <ChrisMorgan> Somewhere where it can find it.
06:42:17 <vf2nsr> well it found it to do the clone
06:42:34 <ChrisMorgan> If hg clone worked then hg pull will work.
06:42:47 <vf2nsr> hg pull not working
06:42:51 <ChrisMorgan> Make sure you're doing it inside the PAL clone directory.
06:43:16 <ChrisMorgan> It will have cloned it into a directory named launcher - rename that if you want to, but cd into it for hg pull.
06:44:46 <vf2nsr> ok now is it in the right place in PA Laucher?
06:45:17 <vf2nsr> I see launcher now
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06:45:52 <vf2nsr> so when it runs where does it store the text file?
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06:46:04 <ChrisMorgan> Data\debug.log
06:46:26 <vf2nsr> of PA LAuncher or of the app?
06:46:32 <ChrisMorgan> Noted in the manual (if you build it yourself :P)
06:46:36 <ChrisMorgan> The app.
06:46:45 <vf2nsr> k
06:46:51 <ChrisMorgan> Once you've built it it doesn't know where you built it from. It lives in its package directory only.
06:47:30 <vf2nsr> ty will look at manual more
06:48:16 <ChrisMorgan> To see the stuff about the new debug log to file stuff you'll need to look at Other\Source\Manual\advanced\debug.rst - it's not built.
06:48:56 <vf2nsr> kk
06:51:04 <ChrisMorgan> I'm about to go home now. Any last questions?
06:51:21 <vf2nsr> I like what I am reading thanks not sure if others will appreciate it but I do
06:51:36 <vf2nsr> can I ask one more hopefully easy question?
06:51:52 <ChrisMorgan> You can and you just did. You can't any more ;-)
06:51:52 <vf2nsr> a folder called .jajuk
06:52:04 <vf2nsr> Should I quote it ?
06:52:28 <vf2nsr> as I may ned to do a directory move not sure yet
06:52:54 <ChrisMorgan> No. Quotes are only needed when (a) there are leading spaces, (b) there are trailing spaces or (c) the value is literally quoted and the quotes must be maintained.
06:53:23 <vf2nsr> ok tyvm
06:53:40 <vf2nsr> I will leave you alon for a day or two :)
06:53:44 <vf2nsr> enjoy your day
06:54:25 <ChrisMorgan> Bye. I've got to finish off my FIT1029 assignment when I get home.
06:54:36 <vf2nsr> gl
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06:54:42 <ChrisMorgan> So I'll try to avoid the temptation of participating in here until I'm finished :P
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09:11:24 <Horusofoz> Hey All :)
09:16:55 <Horusofoz> Can anyone briefly join OT room as looking for advice on backup strategy. Thanks :)
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12:18:28 <ChrisMorgan> There, FIT1029 assignment submitted.
12:19:37 <sar3th> congratulations!
12:20:40 <ChrisMorgan> Now I've got till Friday to submit a MTH1030 assignment, then a couple of weeks till I have my next couple of assignments due... :-)
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12:34:49 <ChrisMorgan> Bye, I'm off now. Any last comments, bugs or requests on PAL before Beta 4 will need to come within about the next 16 hours, as I hope to release it tomorrow afternoon.
12:37:30 <ChrisMorgan> Must try to get my nice flowchart into the Manual before that though.
12:38:11 <vf2nsr> can't wait for its release
12:38:22 <vf2nsr> threw a couple more thoughts at you in thread
12:43:33 <vf2nsr> I will await your response to thread when you have time to read it and thanks for all your help today
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12:46:51 <vf2nsr> ChrisMOrgan by changing java to require No temp folder was created
12:47:01 <vf2nsr> oops ChrisMorgan
12:47:17 <rcmaehl> Anyone have any problems with kidsafe?
12:47:17 <ChrisMorgan> In that case I think it was a temporary problem caused by some unusual file handle lock at just the wrong time.
12:47:27 <vf2nsr> gonna go run another regshot and post it
12:47:45 <vf2nsr> thanks again
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12:53:05 <ChrisMorgan> Now that I've done the flowchart integration (:P), goodnight.
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12:54:59 <rcmaehl> Has anyone had problems with the latest version of KidSafe?
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13:08:44 <EyeOSApacheissue> hello?
13:08:56 <EyeOSApacheissue> is ben online or AFK?
13:09:51 <EyeOSApacheissue> I have a question for Bensawsome about his eyeos portable dev release
13:10:19 <EyeOSApacheissue> it seems to be local only, how can I fix that to allow external connections
13:13:41 <EyeOSApacheissue> oh, well, I have to go....
13:14:23 <EyeOSApacheissue> e-mail at jamieboysrule@hotmail.com or PM Flametail(I entirely forgot I had an account here untill just now
13:14:31 <EyeOSApacheissue> )
13:14:34 <EyeOSApacheissue> bye
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14:23:05 <Flametail> Hello?
14:23:33 <Flametail> is Ben back yet?
14:24:32 <Flametail> or anyone else who knows how to use eyeos?
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14:35:14 <Flametail> back, man my connection is epic today
14:45:30 * Flametail wonders if anyone is truly here
15:00:49 * Flametail is just going to have to get his own server, maybe with the xampp on here, and run the latest himself
15:01:40 * Flametail thinks someone should revive the eyeos project or remove it from the test release page to make room for a more alive project
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15:51:34 <Mir> when your computer gets this hot http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PDMrlgSPsTk/SSKycjbj7RI/AAAAAAAABEY/dgWJdJjc7IQ/s320/computer+fire.jpg
15:51:47 <Mir> its time to invest in liquid helium
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16:24:39 <dduffner> I have a question on settings retention for an app that I added to Portable Apps
16:26:13 <sar3th> hi dduffner, please ask your question :)
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18:41:05 <ZachThibeau> howdy qwertymodo
18:44:10 <vf2nsr> Zach how are you with commandline arguments?
18:50:49 <ZachThibeau> all depends on the app in question
18:51:19 <ZachThibeau> most command line apps usually have --help or -h or -? to list all the commands for you
18:51:56 <vf2nsr> I can not remmebr how to pass the command to run a jar
18:53:12 <ZachThibeau> java apps, then I can't help you there, I don't know too much on how to run those other than through file association
18:53:22 <vf2nsr> ok
18:53:38 <vf2nsr> np trhanks
18:53:40 <vf2nsr> thanks
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23:20:50 <Scriptdaemon> ChrisMorgan: Is there any known issue with the launcher moving files of the form .file?
23:39:00 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon: no
23:39:21 <Scriptdaemon> Hmm...
23:39:58 <ChrisMorgan> Geoff Shearsmith thought he had an issue with it but managed to sort it out, I understand (though he hasn't said what it was he'd done wrong or whatever), and vf2nsr seems to have a file called .jajuk_bootstrap working in Jajuk Portable.
23:44:33 <Scriptdaemon> It might be the var I'm using. I'll look at it a little later, I'm gonna take a nap before work.
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