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00:04:33 <pa_5637> i deleted the startporableapps short cut
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00:06:28 <vf2nsr> deleted it from where?
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00:11:39 <pa_5637> from the flash drive now i cant launch it
00:12:18 <gluxon> pa_5637: Reinstalling the platform should fix it.
00:12:23 <ChrisMorgan> pa_5637: reinstalling the PortableApps.com Platform is the easiest way to get it back. You won't lose anything.
00:14:37 <pa_5637> ok so where do i do that on there page
00:14:54 <pa_5637> sorry for the typos
00:18:18 <gluxon> Well the latest version of the platform is available here. http://portableapps.com/download
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00:18:34 <gluxon> Just choose the platform only install.
00:18:59 <pa_5637> ok thank you
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00:45:48 <ZachThibeau> hola Scriptdaemon
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00:49:08 <Scriptdaemon> 'Ello.
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00:54:02 <gluxon> Hey Scriptdaemon :)
00:54:13 <Scriptdaemon> Hello gluxon
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02:02:05 <ChrisMorgan42> Hmm, yes, forgot I'd left my laptop on because it was busy downloading my 1.1GB backup...
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02:04:04 <ChrisMorgan> Erk.
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03:51:50 <pa_3517> hi if anyone can be of help
03:53:08 <pa_3517> im trying to put a program on portable apps but it does not seem to work
03:53:37 <pa_3517> the program is not from portable apps
03:54:22 <pa_3517> the program is called uniblue its a program which updates drivers on your computer
03:55:02 <pa_3517> im tyring to install it on portable apps but with no luck
03:56:09 <pa_3517> I am not sure of how to go about it...all the portable apps from there website has been downlaoded and installed with no problems
03:56:25 <pa_3517> if anyone can be of help
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04:11:41 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com developer and moderator and works on the PortableApps.com Launcher (please test it!)
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04:48:30 <ChrisMorgan> There, that's the hardest of my websites to migrate migrated... DNS update on bpbible.com now propagating, hopefully it'll all work properly.
04:49:13 <ChrisMorgan> Being provided with full SSH access at WebFaction is definitely helpful.
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05:15:23 <ChrisMorgan> Eek! Spammer.
05:15:47 <ChrisMorgan> 16 threads in 7 minutes.
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05:43:42 <Sucre> Windows 7 doesn't have any auto-play support for PortableApps right?
05:43:59 <ChrisMorgan> Sucre: no.
05:44:16 <ChrisMorgan> However, you can use a helper utility to launch it, installed on the local machine.
05:44:25 <ChrisMorgan> .g PortableApps.com AutoRun/AutoPlay Test
05:44:26 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan: http://portableapps.com/node/13770
05:44:28 <ChrisMorgan> .title
05:44:31 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan: PortableApps.com AutoRun/AutoPlay Test 0.1 | PortableApps.com - Portable software for USB drives
05:44:33 <ChrisMorgan> Yep, that one.
05:47:39 <Sucre> Hey thanks.
05:48:11 <Sucre> Now, on the Chrome front, will I be able to use Xmarks sometime in the future?
05:48:30 <ChrisMorgan> Is there an extension for Chrome for Xmarks?
05:48:34 <ChrisMorgan> If so, you should be able to now.
05:49:21 <Sucre> Hmm, I've looked into it before, but it wouldn't auto install, so I downloaded the extension and tried to install it manually, but that didn't work.
05:49:25 <Sucre> Maybe I'll try again.
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05:50:21 <ChrisMorgan> Installs fine for me, seems to be working (without actually using it)
05:50:54 <Sucre> Also, is there a way to set my drive to try and always be a specific letter when I move from computer to computer, or am I stuck with always getting a random letter?
05:51:12 <ChrisMorgan> Pretty much.
05:51:21 <Sucre> Ah, cool.
05:51:30 <ChrisMorgan> The benefit of our portable apps though is that they manage drive letter updating.
05:51:44 <ChrisMorgan> That may not be a comfort for /your/ things, but at least ours work :-)
05:53:01 <Sucre> Yes, yes it does.
05:53:06 <Sucre> I love PortableApps.
05:53:15 <Sucre> I don't like other portable platforms.
05:53:19 <ChrisMorgan> Good, glad they're useful to you :-)
05:55:42 <Sucre> I wish WriteMonkey was officially supported though.
05:56:26 <Sucre> WriteMonkey is itself portable, and seems to work alright pretty well with PortableApps.
05:56:55 <ChrisMorgan> Feel free to suggest it - noone else has (http://portableapps.com/search/node/writemonkey)
05:57:47 <Sucre> Will do. :D
05:59:19 <ChrisMorgan> Doesn't look like my kind of text editor though, as a programmer (I like Vim, incidentally set up in a very clutter-free manner, toolbar and menu turned off as I never use them thanks to its powerful keyboard system).
06:03:39 <Sucre> Yeah.
06:03:49 <Sucre> Not the best deal for code writing.
06:04:02 <ChrisMorgan> When editing plain text I use Vim too, though.
06:04:06 <Sucre> But it's awesome for freewriting.
06:06:56 <Sucre> WriteMonkey is supposed to be a distraction-free writer.
06:07:06 <Sucre> The concept is nice, but doesn't quite work like that.
06:07:09 <ChrisMorgan> And that's exactly how I use Vim :D
06:07:19 <Sucre> I just like typing in black and green.
06:07:27 <ChrisMorgan> You can do that in Vim ;-0
06:07:30 <ChrisMorgan> ;-)
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06:11:17 <Sucre> Fullscreen?
06:11:59 <ChrisMorgan> Not without the window chrome.
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06:12:24 <ChrisMorgan> Though if you wanted to you could use a console full screen and use Vim rather than gVim and /then/ you'd have it.
06:13:31 <Sucre> Eh, looks way to technical for me, haha.
06:13:45 <Sucre> There were like a million check boxes in the executable.
06:14:03 <ChrisMorgan> ?
06:15:06 <Sucre> Did I find the right Vim?
06:15:14 <Sucre> http://www.vim.org/
06:15:23 <ChrisMorgan> Yes.
06:15:31 <ChrisMorgan> Are you speaking of the executable or the website or what?
06:16:29 <Sucre> Executable.
06:16:41 <ChrisMorgan> And you run it and you get lots of boxes?
06:16:48 <ChrisMorgan> Soundsl like a font issue.
06:16:56 <Sucre> I downloaded the gvim72.exe
06:17:18 <ChrisMorgan> That's an installer, right?
06:17:23 <Sucre> Right.
06:17:39 <ChrisMorgan> And you installed it, and now you get lots of boxes displaying instead of characters?
06:17:53 <Sucre> No.
06:17:54 <ChrisMorgan> Type in this: :set guifont=* then press Enter
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06:18:15 <ChrisMorgan> Oh, you didn't install it but are rather looking at the installer executable?
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06:18:26 <Sucre> During installation, just a lot of options during the minimum, maximum, part.
06:18:35 <ChrisMorgan> Ah
06:19:02 <Sucre> What the heck is a '_vimrc'?
06:19:12 <ChrisMorgan> Config file.
06:21:49 <Sucre> I'm guessing I want that then.
06:21:55 <ChrisMorgan> Probably
06:22:08 <ChrisMorgan> If you want Vim at all, that is!
06:22:52 <Sucre> You seem to like it pretty good, so I'm checking it out.
06:23:12 <ChrisMorgan> I do. It's probably my Dad's fault to a certain degree, I grew up with Vim because Dad uses it.
06:24:42 <ChrisMorgan> Oh, by the way, there's gVim Portable if you want to try it, too.
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06:34:18 <Sucre> For the most part, it looks like WriteMonkey is better for average users.
06:34:25 <ChrisMorgan> Probably.
06:35:05 <Sucre> gVim looks like it takes some serious set-up and getting used to.
06:35:43 <ChrisMorgan> I think i'd have to agree with you there.
06:36:16 <Sucre> Perfect for coders like yourself.
06:36:40 <ChrisMorgan> Yep.
06:39:57 <Sucre> Keep up the good work.
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11:48:53 <Horusofoz> Hey guys :)
11:52:06 <ChrisMorgan> Hey Horusofoz
11:54:36 <taneth111> hiya
11:54:50 <Horusofoz> Hey ChrisMorgan. Status update. The robotic, laser guided Penguin Missiles are ready to go. All that awaits is the final version of the launcher. Do you have an ETA?
11:55:30 <ChrisMorgan> Wait, there's an explicit clause in the EULA about not using it for powering nuclear warfare etc.
11:57:25 * ChrisMorgan likes having SSH access to my new web server
11:57:36 <ChrisMorgan> It's all just *sooo* much better.
12:00:41 <Horusofoz> But biological is cool right?
12:00:50 <ChrisMorgan> biological?
12:01:07 <Horusofoz> " ChrisMorgan: Wait, there's an explicit clause in the EULA about not using it for powering nuclear warfare etc."
12:01:22 <ChrisMorgan> Ah. I misunderstood what you meant by "cool".
12:01:33 <ChrisMorgan> Nup, I've just put it in ;-)
12:01:49 <ChrisMorgan> Must remind Gringoloco not to go uploading anything to gringoloco.portableapps.chrismorgan.info now as I've already taken my final backup...
12:01:54 <ChrisMorgan> G'nite
12:02:12 <Horusofoz> Damn it. The Victorians get out of it again ;)
12:02:18 <Horusofoz> Nite Chris
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14:55:28 <pa_3146> Can you use load applications onto Portable Apps which aren't from this website?
14:56:01 <sar3th> yes you can
14:56:17 <sar3th> see http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#addingapps
14:57:24 <pa_3146> When doing is it as complicated as the link you just showed me makes it look?
14:58:44 <pa_3146> Also do the other apps need to be 'portable'?
14:59:42 <sar3th> no, doing it is simple but the link explains it in detail, so everything is clear
14:59:54 <sar3th> and no, the don't necessarily need to be protable
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15:01:02 <pa_3146> Ok, thank you. It just wasn't clear on the site if I could do that or not.
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19:17:09 <rcmaehl_cert> I got CompTIA certified today
19:17:36 <JohnTHaller> congrats
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19:26:50 <rcmaehl_cert> JohnTHaller: thx.
19:28:40 <SteveLamerton> Hello Gizmokid2005, JohnTHaller, MaienM, ZachThibeau, all
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19:31:11 <hyko_> hello
19:31:58 <hyko_> What kind of tool will Portable do a product with?
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19:34:09 <gluxon> hyko_: You're asking what supports PortableApps.com right?
19:34:19 <hyko_> Isn't there it?
19:35:46 <gluxon> Sorry, I'm not really sure what your question is.
19:37:44 <hyko_> sorry..
19:38:26 <hyko_> I want to make portable
19:38:44 <hyko_> What does the tool have?
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19:40:59 <hyko_> Can you understand?
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19:42:20 <Drive-Dude> Hi
19:42:40 <hyko_> hello
19:42:41 <Drive-Dude> Can I get some help
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19:43:11 <Drive-Dude> If you are not to busy
19:43:17 <SteveLamerton> hyko_: I think you might need the Launcher http://portableapps.com/node/23277
19:43:19 <SteveLamerton> dbdii407:
19:43:25 <dbdii407> ?
19:43:28 <SteveLamerton> Drive-Dude: Whats up?
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19:43:37 <SteveLamerton> dbdii407: Sorry, wrong tab complete
19:43:44 <JohnTHaller> ]
19:44:21 <dboki89> Hi :) As Darkbee and Mir already reported, SPAM at http://portableapps.com/node/22303#comment-148252
19:44:51 <SteveLamerton> dboki89: Fixed, thanks
19:45:00 <dboki89> np :)
19:45:07 <dboki89> bye
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19:45:25 <hyko_> Do you know the portable making software?
19:46:03 <gluxon> hyko_: The easiest way for new users is to use the PortableApps.com Launcher (PAL)
19:46:04 <gluxon> http://portableapps.com/node/23277
19:46:22 <Drive-Dude> I wante know what can I do to make my USB Flash work longer. Because If I should by a new USB Flash Drive. like t.ex Disk defragmentation and more
19:46:43 <Drive-Dude> waite
19:47:00 <Drive-Dude> I mena what I should and should not do
19:47:04 <Drive-Dude> mean
19:47:31 <SteveLamerton> Drive-Dude: A few people are talking about it here: http://portableapps.com/node/23369
19:47:34 <ZachThibeau> there is now real portable making software to be honest, and the stuff we do is based off of an installer scripting system called NSIS (if I understood you correctly)
19:47:38 <Drive-Dude> Can you maybe make a list
19:47:40 <rcmaehl_cert> Can some one get me up to date about the topic
19:49:00 <Drive-Dude> Thanks
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19:49:45 <dboki89> Hi again... Just to mention, you accidentaly left the responses by Darkbee and Mir (about the message being spam), and now it looks as if they marked another comment as such... :( Their comments are http://portableapps.com/node/22303#comment-148271 and http://portableapps.com/node/22303#comment-148300
19:49:51 <hyko_> make it with NSIS?
19:50:02 <dboki89> Take care :)
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19:50:25 <gluxon> hyko_: You would have to learn the language and later program in it.
19:50:47 <JohnTHaller> WIth the PortableApps.com Launcher, you don't need to program anything anymore.
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19:51:47 <hyko_> Can it be requested that it be portable?
19:52:16 <JohnTHaller> Requests are made here: http://portableapps.com/forums/general/request_apps
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19:54:30 <hyko_> sorry 　Please give URL to me again.
19:55:59 <ZachThibeau> http://portableapps.com/forums/general/request_apps
19:57:16 <hyko_> thank you
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21:27:23 <Scriptdaemon> Is anyone here using XP SP3 by chance?
21:27:40 <Gringoloco> Scriptdaemon: Yes
21:27:41 <ZachThibeau> nope
21:28:12 <ZachThibeau> personally I haven't installed xp on my desktop for a year and a half ago :P
21:28:15 <Scriptdaemon> Gringoloco, I'm going to take a quick look at Maxima before having you test it, but can you see if you get the same results as aamiel?
21:28:46 <Gringoloco> Scriptdaemon: ok
21:29:18 <Gringoloco> ZachThibeau: Sorry about taking so long for your translation, I will have it done by next weekend
21:29:50 <Gringoloco> ZachThibeau: But have to drop bulgarian, as it's to much for my girl-friend
21:33:17 <sar3th> yes
21:33:43 <sar3th> Scriptdaemon: that was directed at you ^^
21:34:18 <Scriptdaemon> Alright. I'll link the thread in a minute, I want to double check to make sure I don't have the same problems on my end.
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21:36:21 <pa_3669> How do I install Non Portable Apps to my USB stick without it writting registry files to my PC?
21:38:56 <Scriptdaemon> Depending on what app it is, you don't.
21:39:43 <Scriptdaemon> If the base app writes to the registry and doesn't have a portable version, there must be a portable version made for it so that it doesn't do that.
21:40:09 <Scriptdaemon> Or rather, so that the registry stuff is taken care of.
21:40:32 <pa_3669> How would I find a portable version?
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21:40:40 <Scriptdaemon> What app are you using?
21:41:47 <pa_3669> I want to install Paint.NET and something that can read M4V files so I can use them at work.
21:44:33 <Scriptdaemon> As far as Paint.NET goes, I don't know if there is a portable version. We don't package it because it uses the .NET Framework, which isn't really portable in itself. And as far as I know, VLC can play M4V files except possibly ones you buy from iTunes, which can't really be played in anything but anyway.
21:45:32 <Scriptdaemon> There are alternatives to Paint.NET though, have you tried GIMP before?
21:45:55 <pa_3669> I think that I tried VLC before and had no luck on M4V files. I have also tried Media Player Classic, but that could only do the Audio parts.
21:46:05 <Gringoloco> Scriptdaemon: .xmaximarc is being copied to %USERPROFILE%, and running fine
21:46:22 <Scriptdaemon> From where did you get the M4V files?
21:46:26 <pa_3669> I've heard of GIMP, but haven't used it myself.
21:46:28 <Gringoloco> Altough aamiel uses XPsp2
21:46:55 <Scriptdaemon> Gringoloco, I don't see how the service pack would make a different where it would be saved. Interesting.
21:47:15 <pa_3669> The M4V files are from work. They filmed things and put it into that format.
21:47:49 <Gringoloco> Scriptdaemon: he was having an issue with the registry plugin aswell, just because of the service pack ???
21:48:34 <Scriptdaemon> pa_3669, if your work uses that format, shouldn't they already have a program that can play it on the computers?
21:48:34 <Gringoloco> Scriptdaemon: what is 'Starting maxima timed out. Wait longer?
21:48:34 <Gringoloco> ' about?
21:49:09 <Scriptdaemon> So Maxima doesn't start for you either then? Does the GUI (wxMaxima or XMaxima) start?
21:50:41 <Gringoloco> Scriptdaemon: no it runs but get this messagebox asking me to if I still want to use maxima ( after a minute of running it)
21:51:23 <Gringoloco> If I click yes, it just runs for another minute befor asking me again?
21:51:35 <Gringoloco> If I click no, I'll get the following..
21:51:43 <Gringoloco> ---------------------------
21:51:43 <Gringoloco> Error
21:51:43 <Gringoloco> ---------------------------
21:51:43 <Gringoloco> Error starting Maxima: Starting Maxima timed out
21:51:43 <Gringoloco> ---------------------------
21:51:45 <Gringoloco> OK
21:51:47 <Gringoloco> ---------------------------
21:52:06 <Gringoloco> But still runs...
21:52:20 <Scriptdaemon> I'll see if fixing the env variable fixes that problem. I've confirmed that part of aamiel's report.
21:52:30 <Scriptdaemon> But I don't get that error at all.
21:53:13 <Gringoloco> I'm new to maxima, what can I do to test functionality?
21:55:16 <Scriptdaemon> http://maxima.sourceforge.net/maxima-gnuplot.html
21:55:22 <Scriptdaemon> There's some stuff about plotting.
21:57:19 <Gringoloco> I'm not sure I have time to figure out how it all works...
21:57:37 <Scriptdaemon> lol
21:57:40 <Scriptdaemon> That's fine.
21:57:55 <Scriptdaemon> I'm just trying to make sure it *loads* for now.
21:57:55 <Gringoloco> can I just add the following and 'run test'
21:57:59 <Gringoloco> plot2d(sin(x),[x,0,2*%pi]);
21:58:27 <Scriptdaemon> Should work.
21:59:10 <Gringoloco> But, doesn't do anything(btw: I haven't gotten errors anymore)
21:59:39 <Gringoloco> are you aware that right mouse botton doesn't work either(no copy/paste)
22:00:11 <Gringoloco> but ctrl + V works !
22:01:11 <Scriptdaemon> The right click menu should show, it does for me.
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22:03:40 <Gringoloco> Temp\MaximaPortableTemp is left behind, but just on my second run
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22:04:39 <Scriptdaemon> So it doesn't leave that behind any other time?
22:04:48 <Scriptdaemon> Can you post that in the thread so I'll remember it?
22:05:15 <Gringoloco> ok, after a bit more invetigation, I will
22:07:27 <Scriptdaemon> Now that I've "fixed" the env var, it tells me that the Maxima process was terminated...
22:09:18 <Scriptdaemon> And now it crashes.
22:09:20 <Scriptdaemon> Awesome.
22:10:56 <Gringoloco> Scriptdaemon: Just realised, there are two executableswich are we talking?
22:11:42 <Scriptdaemon> You launch wxMaxima or XMaxima from the menu or wherever, and it loads maxima.bat which loads Maxima itself.
22:18:32 <Scriptdaemon> I'm going to uncompress the maxima executable, like aamiel said I think that's the problem.
22:21:58 <Gringoloco> Just to be clear: For me wxMaxima Portable just launches wxMaxima
22:22:13 <Gringoloco> and so for XMaxima...
22:22:39 <Scriptdaemon> Yeah, because maxima.exe terminates.
22:22:43 <Scriptdaemon> I've fixed it though.
22:22:46 <Scriptdaemon> UPX was the problem.
22:23:06 <Gringoloco> But how ever, if started one when the other allready running....
22:23:38 <Scriptdaemon> Is there a problem when running wxMaxima and XMaxima at the same time?
22:23:51 <Gringoloco> PAL just crashes...???
22:24:00 <Scriptdaemon> Confirmed.
22:24:09 <Gringoloco> odd...
22:25:32 <Gringoloco> temp file being left behind, seemed to just have happend that one time
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22:27:01 <Scriptdaemon> Sorry about that, I got a phone call.
22:27:35 <Scriptdaemon> Chris suggested that I make sure the launcher checks that the other is closed, so I guess I'll go ahead and do that. However, I think I need to talk to him about it crashing.
22:28:26 <Gringoloco> it shouldn't crash like that, that's for sure !
22:28:42 <Scriptdaemon> Yeah, even if they're not supposed to run at the same time.
22:30:12 <Scriptdaemon> Alright, that's fixed too.
22:30:39 <Scriptdaemon> Thanks for testing, Gringoloco. I'll put a new test up in a minute so hopefully everything works out for aamiel too.
22:32:15 <Gringoloco> I think you can use the PAL ini setting 'CloseEXE=', to make it check if the other one is already running !
22:32:23 <Scriptdaemon> Yeah, I did that.
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22:42:14 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan is a PortableApps.com developer and moderator and works on the PortableApps.com Launcher (please test it!)
22:42:39 <Scriptdaemon> Hey ChrisMorgan.
22:43:07 <ChrisMorgan> Hey Scriptdaemon
22:43:42 <Scriptdaemon> Just so you know, without using CloseEXE, if I try to load XMaxima and wxMaxima, the launcher just crashes.
22:43:48 <Scriptdaemon> at the same time*
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22:43:59 <ChrisMorgan> What resources do they share?
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22:44:50 <Scriptdaemon> I have them set the same env vars, since they both need them for maxima.exe.
22:45:06 <Scriptdaemon> So I guess it's not safe to set an already set env var?
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22:46:02 <Scriptdaemon> And for some reason it seems to be defaulting to forward slash with %PAL:AppDir%
22:46:59 <ChrisMorgan> Forward slash? Uh uh.
22:47:29 <Scriptdaemon> Well, hmm. That var itself isn't, but when using it to set MAXIMA_PREFIX it is...
22:47:31 <ChrisMorgan> I pressed Enter in Pidgin to send a line in #inkscape and my login session died - all programs closed, back to the login screen :-/
22:47:42 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon: sure something else isn't messing it up?
22:47:54 <Scriptdaemon> Not really. I'm looking.
22:48:26 <Gringoloco_> I've just set PAL to debug_all for Maxima
22:49:00 <Scriptdaemon> So what about the env vars? That appears to be what causes it to crash, so it's not safe to set already set vars?
22:49:20 <Gringoloco_> And it's crashing just after...
22:49:21 <Gringoloco_> ---------------------------
22:49:22 <ChrisMorgan> What other things do they share? Config directory or anything like that?
22:49:22 <Gringoloco_> PortableApps.com Launcher
22:49:22 <Gringoloco_> ---------------------------
22:49:22 <Gringoloco_> Debug message at line 296.10.2.41
22:49:22 <Gringoloco_> Segment: Temp
22:49:22 <Gringoloco_> Hook: PostPrimary
22:49:26 <Gringoloco_> ____________________
22:49:28 <Gringoloco_> Removing contained temporary directory .
22:49:30 <Gringoloco_> ---------------------------
22:49:32 <Gringoloco_> OK Cancel
22:49:34 <Gringoloco_> ---------------------------
22:49:45 <Scriptdaemon> Nope. wxMaxima uses the registry, XMaxima uses .xmaximarc
22:49:52 <ChrisMorgan> Gringoloco_: do you mean launcher or (w)xmaxima?
22:50:26 <Gringoloco_> Launcher, but it's odd cause it's at start-up, how can it be at Post_primary
22:50:51 <Scriptdaemon> So the temp directory might be doing it?
22:50:54 <Gringoloco_> Just after the splash...PAL crashes
22:51:07 <Scriptdaemon> This is if trying to load both at the same time, correct?
22:51:38 <Scriptdaemon> I've never used the XMaxima GUI, so would anyone ever need both open at the same time?
22:52:26 <Scriptdaemon> I already put in CloseEXE in both launchers to avoid this, but if it's ever necessary to have both open at the same time we might want to look at this a bit more.
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22:53:48 <ChrisMorgan> I can't look at it properly now but if you make a release with the CloseEXE in such a way that if you delete that line it'll crash, then I could pick it up and try to work out what the issue is.
22:55:08 <Scriptdaemon> Yeah, I'll put it up in a bit. Still trying to figure out why it's using forward slashes though...
22:55:40 <ChrisMorgan> It can't be unless it's something else's fault.
22:56:31 <Gringoloco_> I bet it is PortableApps.comLauncherRuntimeData.ini again
22:56:38 <Scriptdaemon> It appears to happen when it loads the .bat file. In the wxMaxima process it's fine, but then it switches in the maxima.bat and maxima.exe processes. However, I've commented out the line that sets maxima_prefix altogether in that file.
22:57:27 <Gringoloco_> It's not a second instance, but the runtime.ini has status running !
22:58:12 <ChrisMorgan> Gringoloco_: hmm... could be. But still it shouldn't be crashing whatever.
22:59:29 <Scriptdaemon> Is there a command in batch to tell a var to use forward slashes? It might help if I knew what to look for.
22:59:57 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon: %PAL:AppDir:ForwardSlash%?
23:00:16 <ChrisMorgan> Refer to the "environment variables" section of the manual.
23:00:20 <Scriptdaemon> Not that. I meant that would be in the maxima.bat file.
23:00:28 <Scriptdaemon> Not PAL related.
23:01:13 <Scriptdaemon> The .bat file seems to be changing it for some reason, yet I commented the part that sets maxima-prefix out.
23:01:18 <Scriptdaemon> _*
23:01:54 <Scriptdaemon> I guess I could try %~dp0
23:02:09 <ChrisMorgan> It could be done, *very* messily, with substrings (%*:~m,n%), character by character, but that wouldn't be done ever.
23:02:24 <ChrisMorgan> If you just want the drive letter, %PAL:DriveLetter%
23:02:35 <Gringoloco_> Scriptdaemon: That crashes on my side !
23:03:19 <Scriptdaemon> Gringoloco_, because you still have the UPXed .exe.
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23:06:51 <Scriptdaemon> That works, but it uses a ".." which seems messy.
23:07:15 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon: what works but uses a ..?
23:07:35 <Scriptdaemon> set maxima_prefix=%~dp0%..
23:07:47 <Scriptdaemon> No more forward slashes when I set that inside the .bat file.
23:10:47 <ChrisMorgan> ~dp0 is meant to be the root though isn't it?
23:11:39 <Gringoloco_> ChrisMorgan: RMDir /r $TempDirectory
23:11:39 <Gringoloco_> , but variable isn't set
23:12:03 <Scriptdaemon> No, that's the current path or whatever.
23:12:21 <ChrisMorgan> And it's not set because that's done in Pre... hmm...
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23:12:48 <Scriptdaemon> F:\PortableApps\MaximaPortable\App\Maxima\bin\.. is what it returns.
23:14:08 <Gringoloco_> Still shouldn't carsh
23:14:38 <Scriptdaemon> I don't like that though. Since it *works* it should be safe to put out a test that for some reason uses forward slashes and then figure out what's going on later, right?
23:14:38 <ChrisMorgan> Gringoloco_: and indeed, that particular thing shouldn't crash if you pull+up.
23:14:58 <Gringoloco_> crash...I tested an NSIS executable compiled with just that line and it didn't crash...hmmm
23:15:36 <ChrisMorgan> Gringoloco_: as for moving the runtime status file to an filename based on the executable filename, that'll come later as I need to go just about now.
23:16:47 <Scriptdaemon> Alright.
23:18:05 <ChrisMorgan> Gringoloco_: well, try tip. It may work.
23:18:40 <Scriptdaemon> Should I?
23:19:06 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon: it won't fix your problem, as it still won't launch properly, but it should stop the second one from crashing.
23:19:38 <ChrisMorgan> There are just inherent problems in how I've handled the AppID/executable name issue. I need to switch everything over so that it's executable-specific.
23:19:56 <Scriptdaemon> Ah. I'll go ahead and just use CloseEXE in both launchers for now.
23:19:57 <ChrisMorgan> But then there are some things which get shared... such situations will need to be ignored at the moment. *sigh*
23:20:00 <ChrisMorgan> Yep, do that.
23:20:08 <ChrisMorgan> Should be fixed in the next release.
23:20:13 <ChrisMorgan> Bye now guys.
23:20:16 <Scriptdaemon> Later.
23:20:43 <Gringoloco_> Ok, let you know here if it doen't crash anymore !
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23:23:32 <Gringoloco_> Still crashing, and even earlier...
23:25:00 <Scriptdaemon> Where does it crash now?
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23:26:51 <Gringoloco_> Somewhere after the splash and before deleting the temp folder, needs more invetigating
23:27:06 <Scriptdaemon> Still in debug mode?
23:27:35 <Scriptdaemon> I'm generating the installer right now, btw. You can test with the new DT once I put it up if you want.
23:27:49 <Gringoloco_> But is a bit useless, since Chris has to address the other problem first really
23:28:14 <Gringoloco_> Just include the CloseEXE and you should be fine
23:28:42 <Gringoloco_> really should go to bed, tomorrow !
23:28:48 <Scriptdaemon> Not really. I'm using CloseEXE, so that crash shouldn't ever happen. This DT is to get Maxima to actually load.
23:28:54 <Scriptdaemon> Alright, night Gringoloco_.
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23:29:30 <Gringoloco_> What, are you also getting the crash using CloseEXE ?
23:30:26 <Scriptdaemon> No.
23:30:44 <Scriptdaemon> I meant now that I put in CloseEXE, that crash won't happen.
23:31:05 <Scriptdaemon> It'll just tell the user to close wxMaxima or XMaxima before running the other.
23:31:48 <Gringoloco_> But CloseEXE should prevent that anyway
23:31:56 <Scriptdaemon> That's what I'm saying.
23:32:32 <Gringoloco_> Getting confused now, really time to sleep, good night
23:32:40 <Scriptdaemon> lol, night.
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23:48:36 <vf2nsr> Will mingw compiple c++ ?
23:48:57 <gluxon> vf2nsr: Yep :)
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23:49:16 <vf2nsr> :( thanks
23:49:19 <gluxon> If it's 1 file, just do g++
23:49:43 <vf2nsr> multiple files I do believe not sur eyet lol
23:53:09 <vf2nsr> just studintg some script now to see how to fix a launch error hopefully find answer that thte program deosnt have to b re-compile :)