IRC Log from 2010-04-30
00:00:10 <vf2nsr> ok one lsat question, I promise, If I do a directoriesmove does the contents of hte directory move with it?
00:00:31 <Gringoloco> But for my info: Did your test fail in wine ?
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00:01:05 <dboki89> vf2nsr: still interested in the difference between %appdata% and %localappdata% ?
00:01:40 <vf2nsr> dboki89 I got it thanks though
00:01:46 <dboki89> ok
00:02:04 <vf2nsr> trying to work out a situation with Zaz
00:02:17 <vf2nsr> moves the directory but not the contents
00:02:27 <dboki89> yea, I've tried Zaz
00:02:40 <Gringoloco> dboki89: Could you contibute to the plugin test at http://portableapps.com/node/23419
00:02:43 <ChrisMorgan> I haven't tested it. I'm working on an assignment.
00:02:51 <vf2nsr> but for some reason it won't save the data
00:02:52 <dboki89> vf2nsr: I think you can find better projects though
00:03:01 <dboki89> Gringoloco: will do
00:03:07 <ChrisMorgan> Gringoloco: if that's all registry::restore does then why wouldn't we just run regedit.exe directly?
00:03:14 <vf2nsr> what I do what I want I like game so thought others mmight?
00:03:16 <Gringoloco> Thanx
00:03:33 <vf2nsr> Jajuk has an update soon an they even implemented my suggestiosn as does rednotebook
00:03:41 <Gringoloco> ChrisMorgan: Probably we should !
00:04:01 <vf2nsr> dboki89 what you thinkI should do??
00:04:09 <dboki89> Gringoloco: has anything changed since this post of mine? http://portableapps.com/node/23419#comment-148500
00:04:56 <vf2nsr> dbooki89 or better yet what should I not do?
00:05:00 <dboki89> vf2nsr: I think you should keep up the projects :) :P
00:05:31 <vf2nsr> I am doing that dboki89 just waiting for final releases on my 2 biggies
00:05:34 <Gringoloco> dboki89: This test is not messing up your 7-Zip lang setting, lol
00:05:41 <dboki89> but I was just saying, Zaz looked kinda buggy (in a sense of not remembering where I got to, and had to start from first level every time)
00:06:09 <vf2nsr> t5hat is my fault
00:06:23 <vf2nsr> I know the issue and came here to try to figure it out
00:06:27 <Gringoloco> No serious, I included the current plugin as well, and it's been confirmed successfull on XPsp2
00:06:53 <dboki89> Gringoloco: I just posted which entries were added; first time it was with 7-zip, the second time are these entries
00:06:53 <Gringoloco> I'dd just like you to confirm that as well
00:07:10 <vf2nsr> it has to do with my ini I am using directoriesmove yet the contents are not moving with it
00:07:27 <vf2nsr> the files disappear
00:07:35 <dboki89> vf2nsr: is Chris helping you? If so it should get sorted soon :D
00:07:51 <ChrisMorgan> I think I'm just going to have to skip on all testing of this registry plug-in and let you say what should happen. In my opinion if we can throw away the registry plug-in completely, that is good. I'm not sure why we use registry::DeleteKeyIfEmpty and those sorts of things, rather than DeleteRegKey /ifempty.
00:08:21 <vf2nsr> dboki89 nope just trying noe but Chris is busier with more important stuff
00:08:57 <dboki89> ok, I can't help you ith coding... :( don't know how
00:09:02 <vf2nsr> so will muddle through it my self...there is another version that works flawlessly but was done with SVSLoader which I do not htink is kosher
00:09:03 <dboki89> *with
00:09:04 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, sorry, assignments, assignments everywhere...
00:09:09 <Gringoloco> setting the root is just a PITA in native NSIS though !
00:09:16 <vf2nsr> np ChrisMOrgan
00:09:39 <ChrisMorgan> Gringoloco: ah yes, that was something I needed to test, could you use a variable for the root or not.
00:10:05 <ChrisMorgan> Getting the root is pretty easy. Especially if I force keys into the 4-letter abbreviations.
00:10:17 <Gringoloco> I beleave not, (not entirely sure anymore, but lets say 90%)
00:11:01 <dboki89> Gringoloco: prapper just reported that the plugin-tests didn't leave those entries on his setup... That's weird...
00:11:14 <Gringoloco> I beleave I was using !defines for it, but that's not an option in PAL ATM !
00:11:17 <dboki89> I mean those entries it left on mine
00:12:08 <Gringoloco> dboki89: I know, maybe just get a new computer, lol
00:12:17 <dboki89> I have
00:12:21 <dboki89> 2 dual-core
00:12:26 <dboki89> :D
00:12:27 <Gringoloco> dboki89: Is the details not telling you they are left behind ?
00:12:44 <dboki89> details?
00:12:53 <ZachThibeau> dboki89: I has dual core too :P AMD Phenom X2 is what I have clocked at 3.1ghz :P
00:13:36 <dboki89> mine are slightly slower: core2duo 1.8 and 2.4GHz
00:13:38 <Gringoloco> The details, where it tells you the test was successful
00:13:57 <ZachThibeau> dboki89: intel I presume
00:14:23 <dboki89> In the details, it just says for every test that it's succesfull, than that message that they are all successful
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00:14:34 <dboki89> nothing about that entry being left
00:14:57 <dboki89> ZachThibeau: yea, Intel :D
00:15:23 <ZachThibeau> dboki89: I used to have that :P then I got me the amd processor
00:15:30 * ZachThibeau loves amd better than intel any day
00:15:48 <dboki89> ZachThibeau: oh, and I have a working P3 machine as well
00:16:34 * dboki89 thinks that fighting over personal processor preferences would be senseless and respects everyones thoughts about their processors, EVEN if they are AMD :D :P :P
00:17:01 <dboki89> kidding :D
00:17:11 <ZachThibeau> well I'm not saying intel sucks, my last intel was pretty good I just prefer amd over intel any day :)
00:17:49 <dboki89> so far, only one Intel machine died on me, and it wasn't the processor, but the BIOS
00:18:46 <dboki89> that particular BIOS chip proved to be extremely hard to replace, so I have it here collecting dust in my room
00:18:49 <ChrisMorgan> Processors dying unless you overclock them is practically unheard of.
00:29:32 <Gringoloco> dboki89: Can I ask you, how and where are you finding these registry keys ?
00:29:48 <dboki89> regedit
00:29:57 <dboki89> regscan finds
00:32:20 <Gringoloco> And how do you save them? I'm asking this cause it's pretty odd how it can repeat the same keyname at different values in your posts !
00:33:13 <Gringoloco> especially this one http://portableapps.com/node/23391#comment-148312
00:36:04 <dboki89> what do you mean about "how do I save them"?
00:36:35 <Gringoloco> It doesn't seem to be a standard .reg file export
00:37:17 <dboki89> it is, but without this string: Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
00:37:31 <dboki89> I thought it would be useles to put that in as well
00:39:41 <Gringoloco> ok, and then you re-copy by hand the text [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\wxMaxima]
00:39:41 <Gringoloco> for every value, sorry but it was just odd and I wondered
00:40:46 <dboki89> oh, sorry, I did it by hand, yea... Now I see what you meant... Mu bad :(
00:42:56 <dboki89> *My bad. In the future, I'll just put the real exported file, and I see what might have caused the confusion about the file format... :(
00:44:24 <Gringoloco> Nothing is bad about it, i just thought it was strange
00:46:10 <Gringoloco> So you find the entries with rescan or regshot ?
00:47:10 <Gringoloco> regscan
00:50:10 <dboki89> Well, what I do and how I do it might seem complicated. I usually test in several steps. First inside Sandboxie, to give me an idea of what to expect. If all is good in Sandboxie, then I try for real, and check with either RegShot, or sometimes I just search for what came up from inside Sandboxie. If I just search for what came up in Sandboxie, I use RegScan (from NirSoft);
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00:51:10 <ChrisMorgan> "I use RegScan (from NirSoft);" - was there more to your line than that, dboki89?
00:51:20 <dboki89> if RegScan finds it, the I always open regedit; if RegScan doesn't find it, then I feel even stranger and open RegEdit for myself to take a look
00:52:10 <Gringoloco> Is it possible, that you used regedit and just didn't see the child-keys being left as well ? They do not show that obvious in regedit.exe!
00:52:31 <dboki89> just these were left...
00:54:25 <Gringoloco> brb, I need a cig
00:54:41 <dboki89> Gringoloco: btw, can prapper (he also has XP SP2) just check whether Maxima cleans up on his system; if it does, then something is different in my (and aamiel's?) setup, compared to prapper's
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01:06:25 <vf2nsr> http://pastebin.com/jKsGKg5y if anyone is bored and would like to tell me what is wrong with my ini file? issue is noted at bottom
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01:08:30 <ChrisMorgan> Cut those trailing slashes
01:09:16 <ChrisMorgan> And please follow the INI formatting conventions: no blank lines except for one between sections.
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01:09:40 <vf2nsr> ok
01:10:00 <vf2nsr> I never seen it noted that only one line blank tyvm
01:14:03 <vf2nsr> will see what htat doed for me THanks again Chris
01:14:14 <Gringoloco> dboki89: I am fairly sure that your problem has nothing to do with the registry plugin what so ever
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01:14:35 <Gringoloco> as in the test script there where the lines...
01:14:47 <Gringoloco> DeleteRegKey HKCU `Software\PA.cTestKey`
01:14:55 <Gringoloco> DeleteRegKey HKCU `Software\PA.cTestKey-Backup`
01:15:17 <dboki89> Gringoloco: so it's just something w/ my setup?
01:15:20 <Gringoloco> Native NSIS code, what really should have cleaned it all up
01:16:50 <ChrisMorgan> My philosophy with NSIS code is if you can avoid a plug-in without serious losses, do.
01:16:52 <Gringoloco> You explain me why they (partly) didn't get cleaned up ? It must be something on your end...
01:18:06 <ChrisMorgan> John says he doesn't know exactly why we used the registry plug-in at the start, so some time I'll start flipping everything to not use the registry plug-in. I'll probably just need another basic library to handle the hive names if they really are constants rather than strings. I'll test it.
01:18:30 <dboki89> Gringoloco: don't know... might be... like the FreeOTFE thing before? that thing also was quite curious, and seemed to be irreproducable...
01:19:10 <ChrisMorgan> dboki89: unreproducible, please... un not ir, and ible not able.
01:19:33 <dboki89> ChrisMorgan: ok, thanks :)
01:19:59 <ChrisMorgan> Doesn't your IRC client have spell checking? :P
01:20:04 <Gringoloco> ChrisMorgan: I've tried that before, the biggest problem is the speed of saveing a key and copying a key
01:20:22 <Gringoloco> And it means lots of system calls
01:20:25 <ChrisMorgan> Gringoloco: why, doesn't the NSIS code just hand it off to a system routine?
01:20:47 <dboki89> ChrisMorgan: using web-chat... no spell-check here :(
01:20:53 <Gringoloco> Have to ask them, probably it's not to important for installers
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01:23:07 <dboki89> well, I can't stay anymore. bye all
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01:26:00 <vf2nsr> made changes as you suggested ChrisMorgan to the ini still not copying the files just the folder? Should I use filesmove?
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01:27:34 <ChrisMorgan> vf2nsr: sure it's not a typo or something somewhere? And that the directory really isn't empty etc.?
01:27:58 <vf2nsr> no the directory contains 3 files on host
01:28:06 <vf2nsr> and it does remove it from host
01:28:14 <vf2nsr> I know where you are going
01:28:24 <vf2nsr> will keep at it
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01:37:56 <vf2nsr> think I might have it :) now for test 2
01:39:41 <Gringoloco> ChrisMorgan: If you have interest in the whole script I wrote to mimic the registry plug-in let me know
01:39:56 <Gringoloco> I ensure you, you will change your mind immediatly
01:40:17 <Gringoloco> once you see what it means
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01:44:43 <ChrisMorgan> Gringoloco: I have an interest in the whole script you wrote to mimic the registry plug-in.
01:45:04 <ChrisMorgan> Why will I change my mind - speed or code verbosity?
01:45:41 <Gringoloco> system::call & no variables for the root, for a starter
01:45:58 <Gringoloco> Mind you I didn't use LogicLib
01:47:08 <Gringoloco> What is verbosity ?
01:47:15 <ChrisMorgan> .g define:verbosity
01:47:15 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan: No results found for 'define:verbosity'.
01:47:21 <ChrisMorgan> .wik verbosity
01:47:21 <GizmoBot> "Prolixity (from Latin prolixus, 'extended'; also called wordiness, verbosity and garrulousness) in language refers to speech or writing which uses an excess of words." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verbosity
01:47:35 <ChrisMorgan> Lots of lines of code etc.
01:48:37 <Gringoloco> Yes, Pops & Push's, just a sec. have to download UnicodeNsisportable Dt 3
01:53:30 <Gringoloco> registry.nsh http://pastebin.com/JzeFAcrP
01:54:10 <Gringoloco> ChrisMorgan: I have to say I was still learning NSIS at the time, especially the system::plugin
01:55:12 <Gringoloco> But it includes all the registry plug-in functions and have been tested
01:56:26 <ChrisMorgan> I should say that a lot of cleaning up could be done of it. But you're right, it is fairly messy. So long as it works, I don't mind so much... I'd probably also change the API name calls too and other such things.
01:57:53 <Gringoloco> Logiclib could do a lot of good for it, but mind you I heavily invested on trying to make savekey faster, but it's still that slow
01:58:16 <ChrisMorgan> "That slow" - how slow?
02:00:03 <Gringoloco> Main involving hex: values like 7-Zip has, it was taking over 2 seconds to save a 7-Zip.reg key on my system
02:00:09 <Gringoloco> Mainly
02:01:24 <Gringoloco> That's what made me decide to try to learn C
02:01:54 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm. It's dealing with it one character at a time, eh?
02:02:33 <Gringoloco> yes
02:02:46 <ChrisMorgan> There's no API/executable call for exporting keys?
02:03:44 <Gringoloco> one character in the registry for UTF16 is 2 bytes as a hex value this is 4 digits
02:04:09 <Gringoloco> No just a hive, but is not flexible enough(or not at all)
02:05:57 <Gringoloco> http://portableapps.com/node/21879#comment-138019
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02:08:05 <ChrisMorgan> Ah yes. And again, if you used a custom format you'd need more code to import it.
02:09:10 <Gringoloco> regsavekey on msdn, it's just doing hives http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms724917%28VS.85%29.aspx
02:09:15 <Gringoloco> For importing...
02:10:12 <Gringoloco> We can just use the old-style launcher way + using regedit.exe
02:11:40 <Gringoloco> Have a look at the source of registry::_restore it's nothing...http://pastebin.com/hK1fHYAu
02:12:22 <ChrisMorgan> Incidentally I found an issue with your script. You Push and then StrCpy. That's not safe - with StrCpy $R2 '${_PATH}' and StrCpy $R3 '${_VALUE}', if you provide $R2 as the value it will get messed up and become the key name as well.
02:12:51 <Gringoloco> executing regedit.exe
02:12:58 <ChrisMorgan> One like registry::_restore at least can be safely turned into NSIS code and performance should be slightly higher.
02:14:05 <ChrisMorgan> Ooh! Using goto in C code! Shock horror!
02:14:23 <Gringoloco> He I was still learning
02:14:56 <Gringoloco> But didn't I use the goto's in a special way
02:15:08 <Gringoloco> __LINE__
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02:16:03 <Gringoloco> Og ok the C you are talking
02:16:29 <Gringoloco> I didn't do that
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02:17:41 <Gringoloco> Ashhh: why are you doing that all the time
02:17:45 <Gringoloco> ?
02:19:14 <Gringoloco> ChrisMorgan: you see, it's just checking if regedit exists, then get the fullpath to it add a parameter(reg file) and create the process
02:19:36 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah. Pretty simple. In NSIS you wouldn't even bother with the check.
02:19:44 <ChrisMorgan> You just do it.
02:20:35 <ChrisMorgan> Bye
02:20:42 <Gringoloco> what does /s stand for
02:20:44 <Gringoloco> ?
02:21:16 <Gringoloco> Probably some regedit option
02:21:18 <ChrisMorgan> Not sure, try regedit /?
02:21:45 <ChrisMorgan> "/E" is export, "/S" is import
02:21:47 <ChrisMorgan> http://www.robvanderwoude.com/regedit.php
02:21:50 <Gringoloco> stands for import
02:22:05 <ChrisMorgan> Have you tried its export? Looks to support a key..?
02:22:25 <ChrisMorgan> Bye
02:24:38 <Gringoloco> I thought John dissagreed http://portableapps.com/node/21879#comment-136685
02:24:52 <Gringoloco> But maybe he's ok for regedit.exe
02:25:16 <Gringoloco> or the combination of the 2
02:25:32 <Gringoloco> Would solve a lot...
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02:35:54 <Gringoloco> ChrisMorgan: Here is the part with the SaveKey script http://pastebin.com/9wW8PDr7
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04:21:41 <JohnTHaller> How goes it?
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06:22:17 <pa_2635> hola peeps
06:22:44 <pa_2635> i have issue with windows partition being full and not being able to install
06:25:42 <pa_2635> lots of room in downloads partition tho =D -out
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19:51:07 <pa_9740> hello
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20:47:28 <pa_8635> I just downloaded Portable App 1..6, just the menu. Why is it looking for an icon at PortableApps\PortableApps.com\App\Graphics\usb.ico when it does not exist?
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20:48:05 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
20:49:23 <pa_8635> PS. when it does not find the icon, it closes.
20:52:34 <pa_8635> PortableApps.com_Platform_Setup_1.6 does not contain all the expected directories and files. It needs to be recompressed and replaced. This is the menu file alone, I do not know if the other files are the same.
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21:08:46 <Gringoloco> pa_8635: The icon should exist on the location
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21:09:44 <pa_8635> That's elementary. The fact is, the location is not within the compression file.
21:10:18 <Gringoloco> pa_8635: I'm just downloading and see if it's ATM...
21:11:54 <sar3th> PortableApps.com_Platform_Setup_1.6.exe?
21:12:38 <sar3th> the file is in there
21:13:10 <Gringoloco> Hmm....I just extracted it and it's got firefoxportable in there
21:13:54 <sar3th> check again Gringoloco, ffp is not actually included (even though the directory is there)
21:13:59 <Gringoloco> pa_8635: Can you confirm the firefoxportable folder instead of PortableApps.com folder
21:14:02 <sar3th> look in $_OUTDIR\PortableApps.com\App\Graphics\
21:14:53 <Gringoloco> Ok, it is there
21:14:56 <pa_8635> Yes, I now realize that you have to run the exe in order for it to install properly. I was using it like a standard compression file. Not the right way to do it.
21:16:18 <sar3th> well, it may require custom handling when you extract it manually
21:17:14 <Gringoloco> What's FFP folder doing in there ?
21:18:04 <sar3th> i don't know, i did not package it ;)
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21:26:32 <gluxon> Gringoloco: You know the option to set PortableApps.com as the homepage for FirefoxPortable?
21:26:50 <gluxon> I'm guessing that's why it's there.
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21:28:16 <Gringoloco> probably, but it only contains plug-ins (FindProc & Banner)
21:30:26 <sar3th> maybe he uses them to display stuff?
21:32:41 <pa_8635> I would like to say, that 1.6 does not work as well as 1.0 did with win7. On the other hand, the exit and unload buttons work.
21:33:06 <pa_8635> The interface does not resize with monitor, is there an option to change this?
21:34:18 <pa_8635> OK, I've got to go now. McDs is calling.
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