IRC Log from 2010-05-11

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00:09:02 <vf2nsr> YVM ChrisMOrgan
00:09:51 <ChrisMorgan> ?
00:10:39 <vf2nsr> correcting my oops on RedNotebook brain was thinking classpath not Environmental path
00:13:04 <ChrisMorgan> You're welcome :-)
00:13:10 <ChrisMorgan> Such things happen
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01:40:53 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
01:52:59 <TimClark> hello ZachThibeau
01:55:08 <Scriptdaemon> I still hate how disorganized the beta testing forum is. John should make an archive where all the locked threads go.
01:56:16 <vf2nsr> I think that there should be a listing much like the test forum
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01:58:58 <pa_8575> hello
01:59:06 <Scriptdaemon> Hello pa_8575.
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01:59:40 <Scriptdaemon> Do you require assistance, pa_8575?
01:59:51 <pa_8575> can i run ClamWin Portable with avira on my computer
02:00:13 <ChrisMorgan> Sure.
02:00:42 <pa_8575> the fact that i will have 2 antiviruses
02:00:46 <ChrisMorgan> It runs separately from all other anti-anything software. They shouldn't interfere with one another.
02:00:55 <pa_8575> ok
02:01:21 <pa_8575> most of my programs are now portable
02:01:29 <ChrisMorgan> Occasionally due to the methods they employ anti-* software will detect other anti-* software as malware, but that happens less nowadays than it did a couple of years ago.
02:01:51 <pa_8575> ok
02:02:17 <pa_8575> so i can install it on my harddrive
02:02:32 <pa_8575> as this firefox
02:02:53 <ChrisMorgan> Sure. Just remember that if you're using portable applications, you shouldn't set them as the default browser, associate file types or things like that, or things tend to break quite badly.
02:03:25 <pa_8575> ok thankss
02:03:32 <ChrisMorgan> Be aware that ClamWin is an on-demand scanner, scanning files when you tell it to, not a scanner that scans things when you try to open them.
02:03:47 <pa_8575> sacn b4
02:04:20 <pa_8575> 1 more thing
02:04:41 <pa_8575> abiword portable has an association
02:05:21 <pa_8575> rightclick a doc and it shows
02:06:14 <ChrisMorgan> You shouldn't ever associate file types with portable applications - always (or possibly just almost always) that will lose the portability, with some applications it'll mess up the host computer and provide it data that becomes invalid and slows it down.
02:07:06 <pa_8575> i didnt associate it
02:07:24 <ChrisMorgan> What shows?
02:07:25 <pa_8575> it happened how i dont know
02:08:04 <ChrisMorgan> If you just set, in explorer, to open that type of file with [Whatever]Portable.exe, that's fine. Just don't use an in-program thing for it.
02:09:09 <pa_8575> when i right click a doc it shows microsoft office word and abi and word doc
02:09:29 <ChrisMorgan> Is that inside the "Open with" submenu?
02:09:46 <pa_8575> yes
02:10:07 <ChrisMorgan> Is the Abiword entry "Abiword Portable"?
02:10:28 <pa_8575> yes
02:10:34 <ChrisMorgan> That's OK then.
02:10:51 <pa_8575> its a good program
02:11:02 <ChrisMorgan> It is, especially considering how small it is.
02:11:09 <pa_8575> yes
02:11:32 <pa_8575> use it more then office 2oo3
02:12:35 <pa_8575> ok thanks a lot for your help
02:12:46 <pa_8575> really appreciate it
02:13:48 <ChrisMorgan> You're welcome :-)
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02:20:08 <Scriptdaemon> ChrisMorgan, did John ever respond after you sent him the OpenTTD Portable package that keeps crashing?
02:20:32 <ChrisMorgan> No
02:22:42 <ChrisMorgan> "Trying to set the working directory to %PAL:DataDir% can cause DefaultData to not copy over correctly and can also cause possible crashes"? The DefaultData part is an entirely separate issue - I can't think of any way at all that it could interfere, the code is entirely separate.
02:23:21 <Scriptdaemon> Yes, but it made the different in when it did or did not crash. Wasn't sure what else to put there.
02:23:26 <Scriptdaemon> difference*
02:23:51 <ChrisMorgan> And so the issue is a deeper, more pervading issue... the type that's very difficult to track down.
02:24:09 <ChrisMorgan> Which versions of NSIS have you tested it with?
02:24:27 <ChrisMorgan> NSIS Portable 2.46, Unicode NSIS Portable 2.45.1, Unicode NSIS Portable 2.46 RC 2?
02:24:34 <Scriptdaemon> Latter.
02:25:00 <ChrisMorgan> It could probably be useful if you could test it on the others too; I'd test it myself except that I'm not getting the crash.
02:25:31 <Scriptdaemon> If anything, compare the differences between the launcer .ini in that package and the launcher .ini from the one in my thread.
02:25:45 <Scriptdaemon> Yeah, I can do that. Probably sometime tomorrow then.
02:26:02 <Scriptdaemon> launcher*
02:26:28 <ChrisMorgan> It seems pretty clear to me that it's an issue in some way with Vista/7. I think it's more likely to be an NSIS bug or something weird about the ForEachINIPair stuff. I could also try substituting the old, non-kernel function in and see if that helped.
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02:27:31 <Scriptdaemon> I'll test the other two NSIS packages first, then go from there.
02:27:45 <vf2nsr> Oh Script whilst I am here any more lol
02:27:56 <Scriptdaemon> ?
02:28:07 <vf2nsr> no spaces and no sites lol
02:28:27 <vf2nsr> I even offered you a job
02:28:43 <ChrisMorgan> vf2nsr: now the only thing left is the fact that your SourceForge folder is called "RedNoteBook Portable"... :P
02:29:12 <vf2nsr> instead of RedNotebook?
02:29:29 <ChrisMorgan> Instead of "RedNotebook Portable"
02:30:24 <vf2nsr> It is not on my screen
02:31:29 <Scriptdaemon> vf2nsr, I'm also putting links to your threads on the test page, btw. (Well, as comments since I can't add them myself).
02:31:34 <vf2nsr> that and I am being foolish and trying to rewrite a python script ;)
02:31:44 <ChrisMorgan> See https://sourceforge.net/projects/vf2nsrtesting/files/, the first item in "All Files" is RedNoteBook Portable
02:32:19 <vf2nsr> me thinks you need to look closer
02:32:39 <vf2nsr> Wow thanks Script still trying to figure how to do that
02:32:44 <vf2nsr> html not my best
02:32:51 <ChrisMorgan> Methinks I didn't :-)
02:33:04 <Scriptdaemon> ChrisMorgan, it's correct for me.
02:33:05 <ChrisMorgan> Now see if your link still works.
02:33:07 <vf2nsr> want to see a screen shot
02:33:09 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon, he just updated it.
02:33:13 <Scriptdaemon> lol
02:33:13 <vf2nsr> it does
02:33:20 <ChrisMorgan> Good.
02:33:27 <vf2nsr> just checked it
02:33:48 <vf2nsr> ty
02:34:04 <vf2nsr> I will get better as I get used to the hierarchy of things here
02:34:07 <vf2nsr> Promise
02:34:20 <vf2nsr> and really I don'tmean toi be a PITA
02:34:31 <Scriptdaemon> You're not.
02:35:09 <vf2nsr> so you think any of my repacks are good enough for test?
02:35:30 <vf2nsr> I know RedNoteboook has had over 400 hits since I started
02:36:26 <Scriptdaemon> I haven't looked at any of your packages lately. Been working on my own and my classes.
02:36:51 <vf2nsr> np
02:37:18 <vf2nsr> so far only one major complaint and it might just be an incompatibility with program and 2k
02:42:45 <Scriptdaemon> I was going to package Qt Creator, but installed it's like 1.3 GB. :(
02:43:12 <ChrisMorgan> Remembering that it's already been done?
02:43:36 <ChrisMorgan> It includes MinGW, that accounts for a large part of it.
02:43:36 <Scriptdaemon> It was? Apparently I forgot to search for it.
02:43:40 <Scriptdaemon> Yeah.
02:43:48 <sar3th> well, you mean Qt SDK, not QtCreator
02:44:05 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th, meh, it includes Qt Creator :P
02:44:08 <Scriptdaemon> True. But it would launcher Qt Creator.
02:44:11 <ChrisMorgan> I was working with it very briefly last year.
02:44:14 <Scriptdaemon> launch*
02:44:49 <sar3th> well, QtCreator itself is not as big as QtSDK, so there IS a difference
02:45:20 <Scriptdaemon> Technicalities!
02:45:52 <Scriptdaemon> I looked into hydrogen again since they've updated the Windows binaries, but now it needs a driver installed.
02:45:54 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th, have you gone any further with making KDE Portable?
02:46:01 <Scriptdaemon> Hydrogen*
02:46:09 <sar3th> nope, real matter, since the one is 1,3 gb and the other one is not even 100mb iirc
02:46:22 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon, Hydrogen?
02:46:25 <ChrisMorgan> Was it a game?
02:46:32 <Scriptdaemon> Kinda like LMMS.
02:46:41 <ChrisMorgan> So why does it need a driver?
02:46:55 <sar3th> yes ChrisMorgan, i've been talking to them, but they got caught up in the latest release, plus i was busy, so no real progress except that i learned a lot about how KDE works on windows
02:47:20 <Scriptdaemon> Drum Machine. But yeah, it needs libjack for some reason.
02:47:57 <Scriptdaemon> Which isn't just a file copy+paste job.
02:50:09 <ChrisMorgan> And it doesn't work without it?
02:50:21 <ChrisMorgan> It looks like the sort of thing it might possibly be able to cope without.
02:51:04 <Scriptdaemon> Nope. Gives an error then quits.
02:51:13 <ChrisMorgan> OK.
02:51:15 <ChrisMorgan> Pity.
02:51:21 <ChrisMorgan> Submit a bug report.
02:51:28 <ChrisMorgan> Well, feature request.
02:51:42 <Scriptdaemon> It's still in development, so they'll probably work it out. When I get to it I'll talk to them about it.
02:51:58 <ChrisMorgan> I wouldn't be so sure. Do ask them about it otherwise nothing will happen.
02:54:03 <Scriptdaemon> True, the last Windows binary was done in 2006, so Windows isn't much of a priority it seems.
02:54:21 <ChrisMorgan> Oh, that far back? I didn't notice that.
02:54:24 <ChrisMorgan> Even worse.
02:54:40 <Scriptdaemon> The one linked on their website at least, I haven't checked SF other than a link I found in a thread on their forums.
02:54:56 <Scriptdaemon> Which is also now the default download for Windows.
03:02:48 <Scriptdaemon> vf2nsr, I'm going to leave Penguin Command, JSmooth, and Casino BlackJack off the test page for now as they're in the wrong format (should be development tests, not betas).
03:03:19 <vf2nsr> np don't think they will go anywhere anyways
03:03:32 <vf2nsr> were sort of made for me then thought would share
03:04:09 <Scriptdaemon> I don't know about that. Penguin Command at least to me seems interesting if you were to update it.
03:04:10 <vf2nsr> I called tehm beta at time because thought since they were in beta forum that that is what they should be called
03:04:28 <vf2nsr> update it as far as?
03:04:33 <vf2nsr> correct format?
03:04:35 <ChrisMorgan> vf2nsr, if you'd read and followed the PAF spec fully you would have thought otherwise
03:04:44 <ChrisMorgan> Bye, off to a tutorial next door now.
03:04:44 <vf2nsr> I did
03:04:50 <vf2nsr> and I aint going thtere
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03:04:57 <vf2nsr> with alpha, beta and development
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03:05:34 <Scriptdaemon> You have Penguin Command 1.0, but it's up to 1.6.11.
03:05:42 <vf2nsr> Script so put it in correct format? update installer and laucher?
03:05:53 <vf2nsr> oh ok will go check
03:06:15 <Scriptdaemon> I just meant call it a development test, not a beta. The rest is up to you, but if you update it you might as well update the other stuff.
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03:07:05 <vf2nsr> ok looking for the link fo rit now :)
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03:10:53 <vf2nsr> Did I call it 1.0 or is that what the game says?
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09:25:37 <shaun> hello im just wondering how do i install the applications
09:25:43 <shaun> just wondering before i download
09:29:54 <shaun> help!
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11:37:04 <ChrisMorgan> I was just asking in #perl to see if I could get perl to make a small executable such as could be used for the PortableApps.com Launcher... the answer seems to be no (I may possibly have had more success with PyPy and RPython, I'm not sure yet). But someone there made a suggestion that hadn't occurred to me at all... Javascript, with WSH.
11:40:50 <sar3th> what do you need perl for ChrisMorgan?
11:41:07 <ChrisMorgan> I was just considering it as a possible language I could redo PAL in.
11:41:23 <ChrisMorgan> The NSIS code is a mess. At some point I want to rewrite it in something.
11:41:34 <sar3th> why don't you use C++?
11:41:59 <sar3th> perl is just a scripting language, so the best you will get from it is the script ontop of the interpreter
11:42:38 <ChrisMorgan> Depends. With RPython (typed subset of Python) I think I should be able to convert it into C and compile that.
11:43:38 <sar3th> so you'd just run your current source through RPython?
11:43:49 <sar3th> or rewrite it in RPython?
11:44:10 <ChrisMorgan> Rewrite it in RPython then that would generate and compile C code.
11:44:18 <ChrisMorgan> Just an idea I'm toying with, at the moment.
11:45:26 <sar3th> well, tbh, i don't think rewriting in another language which will automagically be translated into another language is a good idea; imo if you want to rewrite it, you should do so in the language you want to compile in, not a different one
11:45:51 <sar3th> who knows what the RPython->C converter will do wrong?
11:46:37 <ChrisMorgan> Unfortunately with the WSH consideration, wscript/cscript seem to be missing here in Wine, though I can find references to them working fine on the web. Not sure what gives there. So that puts the lid on that concept.
11:46:49 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: those things get tested pretty thoroughly.
11:47:05 <ChrisMorgan> And Python has far nicer and neater language constructs.
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11:48:29 <sar3th> well, python lets you do almost anything, she doesn't care about types and stuff
11:48:38 <sar3th> sometimes that's nice, sometimes it isn't
11:48:55 <ChrisMorgan> RPython is typed.
11:48:55 <sar3th> and what about WSH? WSH is proprietary MS tech
11:49:15 <ChrisMorgan> I know; using Javascript (or rather JScript) just struck me as a fascinating concept.
11:49:42 <ChrisMorgan> However, it seems that in Wine it would require the Windows Scripting Host for Windows 2000 to be installed to work.
11:49:42 <sar3th> well...you know what the cause of many security issues is, don't you?
11:49:48 <sar3th> it's javascript
11:50:12 <ChrisMorgan> Not in the OS. It's practically unused via WSH. It's almost always in-browser or HTA.
11:50:23 <ChrisMorgan> I wasn't seriously considering it anyway. The concept just fascinated me.
11:51:14 <sar3th> it's in adobe reader as well
11:52:34 <ChrisMorgan> S'pose so.
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11:56:44 <sar3th> i need to go, i'm very late for the next lecture; see ya later
11:56:52 <ChrisMorgan> By
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18:39:11 <benedikt93> Hi
18:39:29 <benedikt93> I've a question concerning EclipsePortable.
18:40:33 <benedikt93> I'd like to use the JDK instead of the JRE, but no matter which of the possible ways to use a different VM, Eclipse doesn't start.
18:41:00 <benedikt93> Might this be because I'm using the 64bit JDK? Any other idea? thx
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18:51:07 <benedikt93> Anyone here?
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20:31:56 <pa_5977> i can not move my Firefox bookmarks
20:32:47 <gluxon> pa_5977: What happens when you try?
20:33:41 <pa_5977> they never appear on the portable firefox
20:34:10 <pa_5977> are a simple directions i cna use
20:34:14 <gluxon> So you're tying to import them from your local firefox right?
20:34:28 <pa_5977> yes
20:34:39 <gluxon> Okay, open up local firefox
20:34:47 <gluxon> Hit Ctrl + Shift + B
20:35:07 <gluxon> There's a drop down called "Import and Backup" :P
20:35:28 <pa_5977> i see it
20:35:50 <gluxon> Backup, then open up on Firefox Portable, and restore.
20:36:33 <pa_5977> thnaks , no where else clear... ;-))
20:37:00 <gluxon> you welcome :)
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