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00:23:21 <GizmoBot> SergentSiler is a PortableApps.com Menu Themer, his theme website is http://silerhost.site50.net
00:32:12 <Mir> :D
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00:32:45 <Mir> SergentSiler: say something please :D
00:32:52 <SergentSiler> no
00:32:57 <Mir> :(
00:33:03 <SergentSiler> i cant believe u got moar
00:33:08 <Mir> :3
00:33:15 <Mir> not today
00:36:17 <SergentSiler> brb
00:36:22 <Mir> mkay
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00:49:06 <pa_5730> hello?
00:49:18 <JohnTHaller> hi pa_5730, how can we help you?
00:49:50 <pa_5730> i just downloaded the portable apps thing, and i want to put apps on my flash drive. how can i do that?
00:50:12 <JohnTHaller> Did you download the suite, the platform or some apps?
00:50:20 <pa_5730> the suite
00:50:49 <JohnTHaller> Plug your flash drive in. Run the installer. And when it asks you where, select X:\ (where X is the letter of your flash drive).
00:51:17 <pa_5730> oh, so don't install it to my computer? just the drive?
00:51:38 <JohnTHaller> Yup. Just to the drive. Nothing is installed to the computer. Nothing is left on the computer.
00:51:48 <pa_5730> awesome. thanks a bunch!
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02:40:04 <vf2nsr> Evening Mr. Scriptdaemon ;)
02:44:29 <Scriptdaemon> WHy hello there.
02:44:32 <Scriptdaemon> Why*
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03:15:02 <pa_1936> help
03:16:44 <pa_1936> opera internet explorer will not loadmgives error intializing opera: module 10
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03:26:52 <Bensawsome> opera internet explorer... never heard of that browser before
03:26:53 <Bensawsome> xD
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03:59:10 <pa_4938> hi
04:00:40 <pa_4938> FireFox
04:00:53 <FireFox> hi
04:00:57 <pa_4938> hi
04:01:01 <FireFox> hi
04:01:10 <pa_4938> the new u toornt
04:01:16 <pa_4938> torrent
04:01:23 <pa_4938> came out
04:01:42 <pa_4938> tried the installer did not ipdate
04:01:52 <pa_4938> up
04:03:51 <pa_4938> are you there firefox
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04:04:43 <pa_4024> hi
04:05:16 <pa_4024> @Gizmokid2005
04:05:36 <pa_4024> Gizmokid2005
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04:20:54 <pa_6278> hello
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04:21:52 <Bensawsome> pa_6278 please stop spamming and poking specific people. if someone is here they will respond.
04:22:02 <SergentSiler> fail timing
04:22:05 <Bensawsome> inorite?
04:22:07 <Bensawsome> lokl
04:22:09 <SergentSiler> lol
04:22:19 <SergentSiler> OMG WERE OPLESS O_O
04:22:37 <SergentSiler> were all gonna die ZOMG D:
04:22:39 <SergentSiler> loljk
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08:45:37 <Scriptdaemon> I put OpenArena Portable up 4 days ago, and it already has 270+ downloads.
08:45:48 <Scriptdaemon> That can't be right.
08:46:03 <Scriptdaemon> Especially since that's more than any of my other apps.
08:46:11 <Scriptdaemon> (On SF at least)
08:46:15 <sar3th> o_O
08:46:47 <Scriptdaemon> 94% of the downloads are from Italy, apparently.
08:48:02 <Scriptdaemon> Chris needs to get on already. He has stuff to fix!
08:49:18 <Scriptdaemon> Gringoloco, have you tried using the tip for PAL with Unicode NSIS Portable yet?
08:53:43 <Gringoloco> Scriptdaemon: I am going to now, will let you know
09:02:44 <Gringoloco> Scriptdaemon: Launcher is going in never ending loop !
09:03:11 <Scriptdaemon> So it's not just me then.
09:03:27 <sar3th> Scriptdaemon: need more confirmation?
09:03:31 <Scriptdaemon> Seems it happened some time after Beta 4.
09:03:33 <sar3th> tell me what to do and i'll try it
09:03:38 <Gringoloco> Wait, I'll try to debug it
09:03:57 <Scriptdaemon> Try packaging an app with the PAL tip, sar3th.
09:04:10 <Scriptdaemon> When exiting the base app, the launcher never closes.
09:04:32 <sar3th> so current hg revision?
09:04:46 <Gringoloco> Scriptdaemon: On my side the loop starts before even starting the base app
09:05:01 <Scriptdaemon> Yes, sar3th.
09:05:14 <sar3th> 286 (822afe233cff) default tip
09:05:25 <Scriptdaemon> Gringoloco, that might also be why sometimes it won't launch as well then.
09:06:31 <sar3th> UnicodeNSISPortable <-- are you using that Scriptdaemon?
09:06:39 <Scriptdaemon> I am.
09:06:50 <sar3th> .pa unicodensisportable
09:06:57 <sar3th> dang i forgot :/
09:07:04 <sar3th> o_O no gizmobot
09:07:37 <sar3th> i'd love to bring my phenny in as replacement, but i doubt ppl would like that
09:08:54 <sar3th> great, it's not found by the search function of pa.com
09:09:03 <sar3th> can anyone point me to the correct topic?
09:09:22 <Gringoloco> sar3th: UnicodeNSIS ?
09:11:07 <sar3th> yes
09:11:11 <sar3th> portable please
09:11:18 <Gringoloco> http://portableapps.com/node/21879
09:12:00 <sar3th> tyvm
09:17:10 <sar3th> ok, make_release worked (i skipped the docs)
09:18:58 <sar3th> yea seems like you are right
09:19:24 <sar3th> ok, no
09:19:28 <Scriptdaemon> ?
09:19:32 <sar3th> the launcher has a bug it seems
09:19:37 <sar3th> it claims to be already running
09:19:41 <sar3th> even though it is not
09:20:02 <Gringoloco> Are we all getting different behavior ?
09:20:02 <Scriptdaemon> Odd.
09:20:13 <Scriptdaemon> That's not the same behavior I'm getting.
09:20:19 <Scriptdaemon> Or at least I don't think so.
09:20:28 <Gringoloco> I got my problem down to ForEachINIPair !
09:20:40 <sar3th> it might be that i ran the launcher with a bad config before
09:20:42 <sar3th> but
09:20:49 <sar3th> it should work nevertheless
09:21:13 <Gringoloco> sar3th: On what app are you testing
09:21:15 <Gringoloco> ?
09:21:26 <sar3th> just a random one i picked from my hdd
09:21:39 <Gringoloco> define random
09:22:07 <sar3th> the first app which is pretty portable by default which came to my mind
09:22:14 <sar3th> =QIP 8095
09:22:33 <Gringoloco> ?
09:22:39 <sar3th> an instant messenger
09:22:46 <sar3th> oh, could it be
09:22:54 <sar3th> the launcher checks for qip.exe?
09:23:16 <Gringoloco> probably
09:23:32 <sar3th> that's somethign i don't understand
09:23:48 <Gringoloco> Do you have any experience with PAL ?
09:23:49 <sar3th> why can't you check for <path>\App\app.exe instead of just app.exe
09:23:50 <Scriptdaemon> Portable apps (at least via PAL) can't be run when local apps are run.
09:24:07 <Scriptdaemon> the same local apps*
09:24:16 <sar3th> sucks
09:24:18 <Scriptdaemon> What does your launcher .ini look like?
09:24:25 <sar3th> ok, i renamed it and it started now
09:24:35 <Scriptdaemon> Not really, doing so would mess up the settings for the local install.
09:24:36 <sar3th> [launch]ProgramExecutable=QIP\qipp.exe
09:24:43 <sar3th> Scriptdaemon: nope
09:25:00 <sar3th> trust me, the app is portable already, no harm to my system done ;)
09:25:15 <sar3th> it is running now
09:25:18 <sar3th> pal as well
09:25:19 <Scriptdaemon> There are settings that would allow it then, just not by default.
09:25:22 <sar3th> should i close it?
09:25:38 <Scriptdaemon> Now close it, then check if the QIPPPortable process is still alive.
09:25:49 <sar3th> nopr
09:25:51 <sar3th> *nope
09:25:54 <sar3th> it exited as well
09:26:01 <Scriptdaemon> How very odd.
09:26:09 <sar3th> xp sp3
09:26:19 <Scriptdaemon> What do you use Gringoloco?
09:26:35 <Gringoloco> XPsp3
09:27:06 <Scriptdaemon> And you're encountering the problem whereas sar3th is not? Hmm.
09:27:16 <sar3th> very strange
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09:27:54 <Scriptdaemon> I wonder what the differences between our setups and yours.
09:28:00 <Gringoloco> Probably something to do with, if the launcher needs to use ForEachINIPair?
09:28:00 <Scriptdaemon> are*
09:28:35 <sar3th> Gringoloco: which app are you working on?
09:28:36 <Scriptdaemon> That might be then, since he just launches the .exe and does nothing else.
09:28:51 <sar3th> maybe we can reproduce the error
09:29:27 <Gringoloco> VenisIX, some editor I was working on lately, it hangs when starting to do the environment variables
09:29:28 <Scriptdaemon> sar3th, try doing it for an app that handles settings.
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09:29:57 <Scriptdaemon> So is that a completely different bug you think?
09:30:41 <Gringoloco> No env.vars. also use FEIP
09:30:51 <Scriptdaemon> Oh, I see.
09:31:14 <Scriptdaemon> Well, we at least have it down to a likely area. That's good.
09:31:53 <Scriptdaemon> I'm going to check Hg for changes to FEIP lately.
09:31:57 <Gringoloco> There is something new in here "TrimWhite.nsh'
09:33:27 <Scriptdaemon> I'm almost certain this is where it happened: http://portableapps.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/portableapps/launcher/rev/be27a6710322
09:34:34 <Scriptdaemon> Do you use Notepad++, or any other editor that can check whether a file is ANSI or Unicode?
09:35:22 <sar3th> n++
09:35:56 <Gringoloco> I use XYplorerFree, preview window, a lot ! Why
09:36:46 <Scriptdaemon> It says it doesn't have unicode support in the .ini anymore, and I'm wondering if that might be causing it. I'll check my .ini.
09:37:01 <Gringoloco> Nah
09:37:36 <Gringoloco> The oldstyle FEIP never did have utf-16LE support
09:37:45 <Scriptdaemon> Hmm.
09:37:58 <sar3th> FEIP?
09:38:07 <Gringoloco> It's just TrimWhite.nsh Chris added since, which is making it hang
09:38:16 <Gringoloco> ForEachINIPair
09:38:28 <sar3th> oic
09:39:18 <Gringoloco> Chris's comment; Get rid of any leading or trailing whitespace
09:40:18 <Scriptdaemon> Yeah, there are two loops in that file. Trying to work out which one of them is causing the inifinite loop.
09:40:31 <Gringoloco> The fist is
09:40:37 <Gringoloco> first
09:41:09 <Gringoloco> Goto -4
09:41:21 <Gringoloco> What is that about
09:41:52 <Scriptdaemon> It looks like it puts it back at this line: StrCpy $R2 $R1 1
09:42:05 <Gringoloco> over and over again....
09:42:36 <Gringoloco> http://nsis.sourceforge.net/Remove_leading_and_trailing_whitespaces_from_a_string
09:44:19 <Gringoloco> We could just get rid of the whole trim white for now
09:45:16 <Scriptdaemon> I think that had something to do with making it parse correctly though.
09:45:25 <Gringoloco> Go to FEIP and uncomment lines 1, 60 & 61
09:45:51 <Gringoloco> quote: ; Get rid of any leading or trailing whitespace
09:46:12 <Gringoloco> Chris could fix that up later, the way he wishes to do !
09:46:50 <Scriptdaemon> Uncommenting those lines makes the launcher work as it should?
09:46:52 <Gringoloco> I do not need to deal with leading or trailing white spaces for now
09:46:58 <Gringoloco> Does for me
09:47:05 <Scriptdaemon> Without doing anything else?
09:47:23 <Gringoloco> re-generate, naturaly
09:47:31 <Scriptdaemon> Other than that. =P
09:47:34 <Scriptdaemon> Alright, I'll try it.
09:48:16 <Gringoloco> Shouldn't we do all this discussing in -dev ?
09:48:46 <Scriptdaemon> Sure.
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10:01:58 <Gringoloco> Just for the info, ofcourse I meant comment the lines instead of uncomment
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12:17:08 <GizmoBot> Gizmokid2005 is working on KVIrc Portable: http://portableapps.com/node/18626
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12:31:27 <Orbixx> Is there any reason why mIRC isn't already made available on portableapps.com?
12:31:41 <Orbixx> I'd have thought it'd be one of the more popular apps.
12:32:16 <sar3th> Orbixx: it's not free
12:32:19 <sar3th> or open source
12:33:01 <Orbixx> sar3th: Is there something in mIRCs license agreement that prevents it being made into a "portableapp"?
12:33:13 <sar3th> probably
12:34:01 <Orbixx> :<
12:34:02 <Orbixx> Oh well.
12:36:11 * Orbixx wonders how well Pidgin handles IRC
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12:36:48 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
12:41:42 <Gizmokid2005> Orbixx: just fine
12:41:50 <Gizmokid2005> you want to install the IRC helper plugins
12:42:01 <Gizmokid2005> it's nothing like a full chat client, but works well if you just need something small and easy
12:42:13 <Orbixx> Gizmokid2005: Aye, thanks :>
12:42:22 <Gizmokid2005> you're welc9ome
12:42:26 <Gizmokid2005> *-9
12:42:32 <Gizmokid2005> I used it for a long time until I found KVIrc
12:42:54 <Orbixx> Yeah, I saw KVIrc, it seems pretty decent, if a bit bloated.
12:43:25 <Orbixx> Mainly found it due to wanting IPv6 support, but mIRC recently released a beta for IPv6 and UTF support.
12:43:37 <Orbixx> So I'm back with mIRC for old time's sake.
12:43:46 <Gizmokid2005> I like KVirc, they've got a nice team of developers and it's so extendable, it's crazy.
12:43:49 <Orbixx> I'm also one of the few that actually holds a legit licence too ^^
12:43:52 <Orbixx> :P
12:44:00 <Gizmokid2005> haha, another reason I didn't like mIRC
12:44:26 <ZachThibeau> *cough* *cough* PChat ^_^
12:44:27 <Orbixx> To be fair, he had it priced at something I just couldn't say no to, especially given how much work he must put in.
12:44:31 <Gizmokid2005> I'm developing the portable KVIrc, and it really is nice. There's so much you can do with it...even I haven't figured most of it out.
12:44:36 <Orbixx> Aha.
12:44:40 <Orbixx> Portable KVIrc.
12:44:43 <Orbixx> I'll keep an eye out for that.
12:44:47 <Gizmokid2005> *coughShamelessplugZachcough*
12:45:00 <Orbixx> :)
12:45:30 <ZachThibeau> hey can't help it if I'm the main developer for PChat as well as for the Portable Version too :P
12:45:43 <Gizmokid2005> Orbixx: http://portableapps.com/node/23424
12:46:28 <Orbixx> Thanks :D
12:46:36 <Orbixx> I gotta run for now, but I'll grab that later.
12:46:43 * ZachThibeau shamlessly points everyone to http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/pchat_portable :P
12:47:30 <Orbixx> oooh
12:47:34 <Orbixx> Fork of Xchat.
12:47:35 <Orbixx> I approve.
12:47:39 <Orbixx> I'll snag that.
12:47:46 <Orbixx> I use Xchat on my Fedora netbook :P
12:48:15 <ZachThibeau> but seriously though give kvirc a try it needs to get out of pre-release :) it's a long time waiting
12:48:33 <Gizmokid2005> ZachThibeau: it'll be waiting longer :(
12:48:38 <ZachThibeau> :(
12:48:42 <Gizmokid2005> the #kvirc team has to finalize their build first.
12:48:48 <ZachThibeau> ouch
12:48:49 <Gizmokid2005> the portable version is good to go now...just waiting on them.
12:49:21 * Orbixx prefers a plain interface
12:49:35 <Orbixx> I don't like how colour/theme-happy KVIrc are.
12:49:44 <ZachThibeau> I got a ready to finalize some stuff for PChat 1.0.4
12:49:45 <Gizmokid2005> haha, you can dumb it down Orbixx
12:49:47 <Gizmokid2005> I don't like it either
12:49:51 <Gizmokid2005> mine is plain white now
12:49:54 <Orbixx> Yeah I know, it just took me forever to figure out how.
12:50:00 <Orbixx> Would be nice if it were like that by default :\
12:50:06 <Gizmokid2005> haha, it's so customizable it's hard to find everything.
12:50:38 <Orbixx> A simple 'basic/advanced' dual interface would be nice.
12:50:48 <Orbixx> One for idiots or people who cba to customise.
12:50:56 <Orbixx> One for people who like pretty clients.
12:51:38 <Orbixx> To this day, I still don't know why people like to read IRC in anything except fixed length characters.
12:51:40 <ZachThibeau> something I'm also going to try is get spell check working and I'm still trying to get minigtk to compile into PChat (hard to do since zed refuses to release his patch to compile minigtk into third party/fork builds)
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12:52:40 <Gizmokid2005> Orbixx: yeah...it's nice to have the features though. Can't blame them for being customizable. There's talk of spellcheck to come in the future too
12:52:41 <Orbixx2> woo pchat
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12:53:08 <Orbixx> Right, definitely ought to go now.
12:53:09 <Orbixx> :P
12:53:12 <Gizmokid2005> right now they're trying to squash some big(ger) bugs to get 4.0 out
12:53:14 <Gizmokid2005> cya :)
12:53:15 <Orbixx> Thanks for your help fellas.
12:53:17 <Gizmokid2005> np
12:54:43 <ZachThibeau> later
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18:34:46 <gluxon> pa_0678: Need help?
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18:41:47 <pa_0678> gluxon, any word about the new platform updates and restarting the releases?
18:42:07 <gluxon> No, sorry :(
18:42:25 <pa_0678> I wonder what caused this delay -.-"
18:43:42 <gluxon> Proabably just bugs and feature implantations.
18:43:51 <gluxon> John always seems to surprise us though :)
18:44:06 <pa_0678> who knows :P
18:46:01 <pa_0678> The outdated apps list is quite big already, guess John is going to have some SF uploading fun when he finally decides to release
18:46:48 <gluxon> lol :P
18:47:10 <gluxon> You're the same person asking about the 1.6.1 release, right? :)
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18:56:10 <pa_0678> yeah
18:56:23 <pa_0678> if there arent more people asking about it
18:57:38 <gluxon> lol.
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18:58:29 <Bensawsome> oh there are tons of poeple asking about it
18:58:45 <Bensawsome> a few hours ago some idiot spammed the channel trying to get an answer
18:58:55 <pa_0678> :P
18:59:16 <gluxon> Bensawsome: Wait, really? :)
18:59:19 <Bensawsome> ya
18:59:20 <Bensawsome> one sec
18:59:32 <gluxon> Wow, I find that kind of humorous :P
19:00:13 <pa_0678> After John left a Platform 1.6.1 next week in the news, guess that's what happens XD
19:00:46 <Bensawsome> lol ya
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19:14:52 <pa_2278> I was wondering wether I could add folders to my portable apps menu?
19:15:31 <pa_2278> For instance I wanted to add a folder with my games in
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19:23:24 <pa_2278> I was wondering wether I could add folders to my portable apps menu? [20:16] <pa_2278> For instance I wanted to add a folder with my games in
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20:17:40 <Gizmokid2005> hello TimClark
20:19:44 <TimClark> Hi Gizmokid2005 , sorry for the delay, my lag is terrible lately
20:20:36 <Gizmokid2005> Dialup will do that to you :P
20:20:37 <TimClark> stupid webcrap , it's taking forever for my chats and commands to work
20:22:10 <TimClark> no, it's worse then that, even with dial up it should not take seven seconds for chat to appear , or open channels, or do nick changes
20:22:17 <Gizmokid2005> no, definitely not
20:22:24 <Gizmokid2005> better complain to #freenode
20:22:29 <Gizmokid2005> though, we both know they'll say it's your issue.
20:23:01 <TimClark> it's called lag, right? is that the term ?
20:24:26 <Gizmokid2005> yes
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21:58:46 <pa_8850> hello
22:00:48 <pa_8850> any 1 there
22:01:11 <pa_8850> Mir
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22:14:44 <Mir> yea
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