IRC Log from 2010-05-18

00:00:15 <ChrisMorgan> Also the !system thing is apparently spawning a new process in Wine, and that slows it down considerably. Process spawning is very slow in Wine.
00:14:47 <ChrisMorgan> Now all I need to add to make_release is auto-upload.
00:20:34 <ChrisMorgan> Uploaded RC1, no time to update page now, off to Uni.
00:20:42 <JohnTHaller> ok, thanks man
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01:10:40 <ZachThibeau> howdy everyone
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01:11:45 <dboki89> hi guys :D
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01:14:37 <Scriptdaemon> I'm going to start putting out Safer Networking (Spybot devs) apps, I've discussed with them via email about it.
01:14:58 <Scriptdaemon> First will be the smaller utilities though until I have more time for Spybot itself.
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01:15:16 <dboki89> great :)
01:15:44 <ZachThibeau> dboki89: you didn't have to tell me what I already know :P and I'm glad you like PChat 1.0.4 dev test is soon going to be bumped up to 1.0.5 as I've been working out some kinks in 1.0.4 and adding new things in the dev test that seems to appear to be stable enough to warrent the version change for when it goes final :)
01:16:28 <Scriptdaemon> FileAlyzer comes with an app called FoldAlyzer that does just the same but for folders, but as far as I can see it's simply unusable so I won't be including a launcher for it atm. It doesn't even put a shortcut to it in the start menu.
01:17:03 <dboki89> ZachThibeau: can I PM you (not to flood the channel)?
01:17:34 <ZachThibeau> dboki89: what do you want to pm me about?
01:17:48 <dboki89> PChat help xD
01:17:48 <Scriptdaemon> Bte, hey ZachThibeau.
01:17:52 <Scriptdaemon> Btw*
01:18:12 <ZachThibeau> lol dboki89 go to #pchat then
01:21:26 <vf2nsr> ;)
01:22:48 <Scriptdaemon> Oh, the one I downloaded isn't the latest. They have better links hidden in their forum.
01:22:49 <Scriptdaemon> -.-
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01:30:13 <Scriptdaemon> Wb.
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01:32:13 <vf2nsr> some one may need to duct tape john to the forum so he doesn't fall out lol
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02:01:00 <Scriptdaemon> Sup ChrisMorgan.
02:02:28 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm. Should I answer that badly phrased sentence?
02:03:44 <Scriptdaemon> 'Sup, ChrisMorgan? Now it's a correct badly-phrased question.
02:03:55 <ChrisMorgan> :-/
02:04:12 <ChrisMorgan> Oh, I don't know. Just releasing PAL2RC1 at the moment.
02:04:22 <Scriptdaemon> So yeah, tha language variable bug wasn't fixed after all. >.>
02:04:25 <Scriptdaemon> that*
02:04:41 <ChrisMorgan> What?
02:05:06 <Scriptdaemon> The one that put the LocaleID into WinLocaleName, etc.
02:05:32 <ChrisMorgan> But that can't be happening...
02:05:38 <Gizmokid2005> ChrisMorgan: I see your def is fixed.
02:05:55 <ChrisMorgan> Gizmokid2005: I deleted it (for the third time)
02:06:00 <Gizmokid2005> I saw
02:06:04 <Gizmokid2005> /join #gizmokid2005
02:06:17 <ChrisMorgan> Yep
02:06:17 <Scriptdaemon> When I thought it was fixed, I had been using the "old" version of the launcher you caught (I blame TortoiseHg), and then when I updated again I forgot to recheck launching from the menu.
02:06:40 <ChrisMorgan> Oh dear... you really /are/ getting versions muddled :D
02:06:58 <Scriptdaemon> The one I have now is the latest. Promise.
02:07:47 <ChrisMorgan> :-)
02:07:50 <ChrisMorgan> *sigh* I suppose I'll have to take another look at it.
02:08:03 <Scriptdaemon> Try the latest OpenTTD Portable.
02:08:05 <Scriptdaemon> It has the bug.
02:08:10 <Scriptdaemon> So you can see for yourself.
02:08:18 <ChrisMorgan> Ah good, that'll make it easier for me. A proper package to test it on.
02:08:35 <ChrisMorgan> Though not really, it's easy enough to test just that bit as it is... hmm.
02:08:35 <Scriptdaemon> (Though it doesn't have debugging, you can just regenerate the launcher).
02:09:43 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm. I think I forgot to push before leaving home :-(
02:11:58 <Scriptdaemon> That sounds plausible. Each variable (except the first one or two) is what the previous one should be.
02:12:06 <Scriptdaemon> Or next one? You get the point.
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02:12:46 <ChrisMorgan> Forgetting to push before leaving home is a today thing meaning I haven't got a couple of fixes I made this morning (none in that region, just other things)
02:13:01 <ChrisMorgan> Like (;-)) version number in debug.log
02:13:03 <Scriptdaemon> oh, I thought we were referring to a stack.
02:13:30 <Scriptdaemon> And yeah, I'm a pretty good candidate for that being a good idea.
02:13:31 <ChrisMorgan> I'll take a look at it all and try to work out what's going on.
02:14:14 <Scriptdaemon> Do you need the image of Process Explorer again?
02:14:25 <Scriptdaemon> I deleted it, but I can undelete it via Dropbox.
02:14:28 <ChrisMorgan> Problem with the version number is that my ${!ifexist} macro doesn't work in Wine, so getting the hg revision number is pretty much out for compilation on Wine unless I can think of anything better.
02:14:37 <ChrisMorgan> Don't think so. I'll work it out myself.
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02:17:22 <Scriptdaemon> Since the temp variable you added in SetEnvironmentVariableDefault didn't fix it, do you need it anymore? Or should that fix other potential issues?
02:17:47 <ChrisMorgan> It should fix other potential issues
02:19:43 <ChrisMorgan> Anyone else having issues with connections to portableapps.com at the moment?
02:20:00 <vf2nsr> I did but seems resloved?
02:20:17 <vf2nsr> had to reload page x 4
02:20:33 <ChrisMorgan> Been here about twenty minutes, at the start pages just wouldn't load properly, after a few minutes it got better, now it's back to being hopeless again.
02:20:49 <Scriptdaemon> Works for me.
02:20:52 <vf2nsr> ??
02:21:00 <vf2nsr> I am in it now and seems ok?
02:21:01 <ChrisMorgan> Just waiting... waiting... for a long time.
02:21:03 <Gizmokid2005> WRM too
02:21:05 <Gizmokid2005> *WFM
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02:21:32 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, it's fine here
02:21:38 <Gizmokid2005> probably a DNS/browser issue.
02:21:54 <ChrisMorgan> ping is mostly fine, but lost 5 packets out of 50...
02:22:06 <OliverK> if you're making a new route
02:22:12 <ChrisMorgan> Weird issue.
02:22:13 <OliverK> that's nothing to complain about
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02:23:53 <Gizmokid2005> probably a browser issue. restart it :)
02:24:08 <ChrisMorgan> It's happening in Firefox too.
02:24:18 <pa_2416> hi, how do i uninstall portable apps ? uninstaller ins nowhere..
02:24:20 <FireFox> inside of me.
02:24:32 <Gizmokid2005> pa_2416: just delete the app
02:24:34 <ChrisMorgan> pa_2416, just delete the directory
02:24:35 <OliverK> easy, delete the folder of the app you want to get rid of
02:24:35 <Gizmokid2005> the folder that is.
02:24:54 <pa_2416> ok, thanks guys...
02:25:15 <vf2nsr> Yup that is what I am using
02:26:15 <ChrisMorgan> And the site's working fine for me again now...
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02:28:56 <Scriptdaemon> Do you recall what you've changed in SetEnvironmentVariable.nsh since B4?
02:30:09 <ChrisMorgan> http://portableapps.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/portableapps/launcher/log/822afe233cff/Other/Source/SetEnvironmentVariable.nsh - just the addition of SetEnvironmentVariableDefault and updates to it
02:31:09 <dboki89> ChrisMorgan: Just a casual FYI... :) I've been opening a lot of pages of PA.c in last 2 hours (been catching up), not just last 10-20min, and it continuously works fine, with no connection problems...
02:31:26 <dboki89> also, a possible forum rules breaking?
02:31:38 <dboki89> http://portableapps.com/node/23578
02:31:58 <vf2nsr> I ran into an odd thing today, the name of a launcher was same as the program in a different directory to launch and the program kept hiccuping thinking I had the program running twice
02:32:02 <dboki89> The title is kinda giving credit to a "well known bad site", as I remember
02:32:21 <JohnTHaller> vf2nsr: The launcher and the app it is launching should not be named the same thing
02:32:29 <ChrisMorgan> Definitely.
02:32:58 <ChrisMorgan> I remember a long time ago someone complained about how when they renamed FirefoxPortable.exe to Firefox.exe it didn't work any more...
02:32:59 <vf2nsr> So I found out did not want to change the app name since tha tis the name so modified the launcher name
02:33:23 <JohnTHaller> Launchers should generally be AppNamePortable.exe.
02:33:44 <vf2nsr> since it was an online installer left the app name alone
02:34:04 <vf2nsr> problem is the app name is appnameportable
02:34:12 <OliverK> rename it
02:34:23 <vf2nsr> renamed launcher
02:34:29 <OliverK> that works as well
02:34:30 <JohnTHaller> AppNamePortableStart.exe
02:34:30 <vf2nsr> as I said it is an onlineinstaller
02:34:34 <JohnTHaller> Or ...Launcher.exe
02:34:40 <ChrisMorgan> You could rename it with custom code.
02:34:44 <OliverK> custom code to rename it
02:34:45 <ChrisMorgan> Messy solution though.
02:34:49 <OliverK> heh, slow fingers :9
02:34:52 <JohnTHaller> Nah, leave it as is and rename the launcher
02:34:59 <vf2nsr> That is what I did
02:35:07 <ChrisMorgan> There's also the possibility (probability) that you can bypass that launcher.
02:35:09 <Scriptdaemon> What is the name of the app .exe?
02:35:09 <ChrisMorgan> What's the app?
02:35:11 <vf2nsr> created launcher then put a - in in it
02:35:45 <vf2nsr> tyhe installer if for a free version of auslogicdiskdefrag.exe
02:35:51 <ChrisMorgan> Ah
02:35:52 <vf2nsr> portable
02:36:12 <vf2nsr> the download file name and exe is auslogicdiskdefragportable
02:36:25 <vf2nsr> or something like that
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02:37:56 <vf2nsr> but was good that I had NO typos blocking me this time lol
02:39:35 <vf2nsr> and it was my first attempt at an online installer
02:39:39 * dboki89 is being pushy for a bit... - http://portableapps.com/node/23578 is kinda promoting the portableappZ site in it's title
02:40:46 <JohnTHaller> updated topic
02:41:23 <ChrisMorgan> What about the picture of the logo?
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02:41:51 <JohnTHaller> spose we should ditch that too
02:42:23 <JohnTHaller> I have a suspicion that it is a previously banned user making the post anyway
02:44:40 <ChrisMorgan> Gmail address, has a . in it but there are no matches for the email address sans dot.
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02:46:05 <Scriptdaemon> I can't find anything that would be causing that bug, but I don't know NSIS as well as you do anyway.
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02:46:23 <vf2nsr> BTW is it legit to have an installer for a free program on the site?
02:46:39 <Scriptdaemon> If you have permission from the developers.
02:46:41 <ChrisMorgan> If permission has been obtained to redistribute it it's OK.
02:47:08 <Scriptdaemon> I have permission from VS Revo Group to do revo Uninstaller. You can also do an online installer.
02:47:20 <Scriptdaemon> Revo*
02:47:25 <vf2nsr> But if it is an installer I am not actually distributing it? Am I? I am just providing the mechanism to put it on PA format?
02:47:43 <Scriptdaemon> Are you bundling it, or is it an online installer?
02:47:49 <vf2nsr> the program in unmodified?
02:47:52 <ChrisMorgan> Bundling comes under the heading of redistribution.
02:47:56 <ChrisMorgan> With modification.
02:47:57 <vf2nsr> online installer
02:48:04 <ChrisMorgan> Online installer is fine.
02:48:20 <vf2nsr> the launcher makes one modification to the data locale?
02:48:33 <vf2nsr> moves it back and forth to appdata
02:48:36 <ChrisMorgan> But you're not including it?
02:48:48 <ZachThibeau> night all
02:48:50 <Scriptdaemon> Do *you* distribute the base app at all? If yes, need permission. If no, no permission necessary.
02:48:50 <vf2nsr> nope it has to be downloaded
02:48:53 <ChrisMorgan> Night ZachThibeau
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02:48:57 <Scriptdaemon> Night.
02:49:07 <vf2nsr> nope no base app
02:49:15 <ChrisMorgan> Then it's OK.
02:49:40 <vf2nsr> ok I have not made it "official" was for a few who resuested it but may beta it
02:50:25 <vf2nsr> great tyvm
02:50:48 <vf2nsr> And script I though those were just cold ducks lol
02:51:08 <vf2nsr> aka Pingus
02:51:11 <ChrisMorgan> vf2nsr, that's why it's called "Pingus", eh?
02:51:24 <vf2nsr> I knew was just yanking your chain
02:51:40 <vf2nsr> I figured with all the help you have given me I would at least dl and try your games
02:52:01 <vf2nsr> not necessarily my taste but what the heck can always uninstall
02:52:20 <vf2nsr> cause we all need feedback
02:52:26 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon: this is weird...
02:52:39 <ChrisMorgan> Pingus is a good game :D
02:52:41 <vf2nsr> wow had to reread that one
02:52:48 <ChrisMorgan> It's just a pity there aren't more levels yet.
02:52:50 <vf2nsr> thought it said he was weird
02:53:07 <ChrisMorgan> I was speaking of this environment-muddling bug.
02:54:11 <Scriptdaemon> I'm a little weird too, though.
02:54:11 * dboki89 is away: I'm busy
02:55:00 <Scriptdaemon> I don't know if you were n here earlier vf2nsr, but I'll be bundling Safer Networking's utilities too, so give you a break from games. =P
02:55:05 <vf2nsr> well I guess I out of here night, day afternoon as applicable all
02:55:13 <OliverK> night
02:55:17 <Scriptdaemon> Night.
02:55:18 <vf2nsr> I saw that scriptr
02:55:27 <vf2nsr> can't wait
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02:56:04 <Scriptdaemon> I wish they were more organized with their utilities though, and I wish they'd update a couple of them already.
02:56:20 <ChrisMorgan> I'm thinking my stack management in SetEnvironmentVariable must be the issue... somehow.
02:56:40 <Scriptdaemon> That's what I thought you were talking about earlier.
02:57:04 <Scriptdaemon> It seems a logical cause, but I don't see where it's messing up.
02:57:06 <ChrisMorgan> I wasn't, but I think I should have been... that's the crazy thing :-/
02:59:13 <ChrisMorgan> ARGH! I see it.
02:59:25 <ChrisMorgan> See that line System::Call Kernel32::SetEnvironmentVariable(t${VAR},t${VAL})?
02:59:30 <Scriptdaemon> I do.
02:59:31 <ChrisMorgan> That should be System::Call Kernel32::SetEnvironmentVariable(t${_VAR},t${_VAL})
02:59:45 <ChrisMorgan> Or no, wait, that's not it :-/
02:59:55 <Scriptdaemon> You got my hopes up.
03:00:15 <ChrisMorgan> Sorry about that :-(
03:00:25 <Scriptdaemon> If it is the stack, could the problem possibly lie outside that file?
03:01:10 <ChrisMorgan> It shouldn't, it's all self-contained. I've got to go off now, I'll try to sort it out after this tute, stepping through with even more debug messages.
03:01:24 <Scriptdaemon> Alright.
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04:18:23 <ChrisMorgan> Ah, finally got it. Relative jumps are treacherous when you use !defines which !insertmacros.
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04:36:09 <Scriptdaemon> :D
04:37:45 <Scriptdaemon> ChrisMorgan, what exactly was the fix?
04:38:02 <ChrisMorgan> Full details in a comment coming once I've pushed.
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04:38:30 <Scriptdaemon> K. Along with the other things you said you fixed that you forgot to push earlier?
04:38:38 <ChrisMorgan> No, they're at home :-(
04:38:49 <Scriptdaemon> Ah. How important are they?
04:38:51 <ChrisMorgan> So I'll now need to merge the changes in when I get home.
04:38:54 <ChrisMorgan> Not very.
04:39:56 <ChrisMorgan> Version increment, the addition of a ${RegistryKeyExists} LogicLib macro for more understandable code (no more ${registry::KeyExists} ... $R9, ${If} $R9 != -1 etc., just ${If} ${RegistryKeyExists} ...)
04:40:12 <ChrisMorgan> And one or two other things which I've forgotten
04:41:45 <ChrisMorgan> Explanation: http://portableapps.com/node/23277?page=1#comment-149676
04:43:07 <Scriptdaemon> Are you saying their Greek language file is wrong?
04:43:10 <ChrisMorgan> So now when I go home I can pull, merge, commit, tag, rebuild and reupload RC1.
04:43:15 <Scriptdaemon> Awesome.
04:43:16 <ChrisMorgan> No, I'm just saying the characters are funny
04:43:20 <Scriptdaemon> lol
04:44:13 <ChrisMorgan> Thanks for bearing with me and helping track that one down :-)
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04:45:50 <Scriptdaemon> I tend to find these bugs after the fact. I didn't find the infinite loop bug until I tried with a program that made the launcher wait, etc.
04:46:05 <Scriptdaemon> Since that one didn't affect OpenTTD.
04:46:55 <ChrisMorgan> You're great at finding bugs though!
04:47:05 <Scriptdaemon> What can I say, I break things.
04:47:06 <Scriptdaemon> :)
04:47:28 <ChrisMorgan> And I'm glad you do :-)
04:47:47 <ChrisMorgan> Far better to track down the issues close to the time of introduction than later on.
04:48:03 <Scriptdaemon> The fact I've been so quick to package a bunch of apps has helped a great deal, since they all work so differently.
04:48:28 <ChrisMorgan> Yep. Now I just need you to write half a dozen worked examples :D
04:48:41 <Scriptdaemon> I should have time when this week is over.
04:48:51 <ChrisMorgan> Oh, goodie :-)
04:49:42 <Scriptdaemon> I forgot to test it, but why does it change the environment variable to 1033 when launching just after generation (like I mentioned in that thread)? Would it be possible that it will always set it to English then?
04:50:35 <ChrisMorgan> I put in a sample 7-Zip one, you decide how you want to do them.
04:50:40 <ChrisMorgan> Launching just after generation?
04:51:10 <Scriptdaemon> When you generate the launcher and select "Test launcher" before finishing.
04:51:21 <ChrisMorgan> Ah
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04:51:35 <Scriptdaemon> I'll do some more testing when I go home, that was when I was mistakenly using the old launcher.
04:51:55 <Scriptdaemon> It doesn't do it as a child process of the generator does it?
04:52:57 <ChrisMorgan> The environment variable PortableApps.comLocaleID?
04:53:48 <Scriptdaemon> I don't think it listed a specific variable. Since I can't recall off-hand the debug message, I'll take another look in a bit.
04:54:05 <ChrisMorgan> The only variable which will be set by [LanguageFile] is PAL:LanguageCustom
04:54:20 <Scriptdaemon> Anyway, clocking out in a few minutes. Be back in ~20 minutes.
04:54:36 <Scriptdaemon> I don't think it was LanguageFile that caused it. It was the *very* first debug message.
04:54:54 <Scriptdaemon> Bbl.
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05:29:38 <Scriptdaemon> I figured out why I had an old version of the launcher last time.
05:30:02 <Scriptdaemon> WHen copying over, I accidentally skipped the source directory instead of confirmed the copy.
05:30:02 <ChrisMorgan> Why?
05:30:12 <Scriptdaemon> ...Not that I did it again or anything. >.>
05:30:15 <ChrisMorgan> Ah
05:42:36 <Scriptdaemon> ChrisMorgan, to which characters were you referring? The ones in the game or the ones in the menu?
05:42:45 <ChrisMorgan> Game.
05:43:02 <Scriptdaemon> Ah, because they're even weirder in the menu. =P
05:43:08 <ChrisMorgan> Menu is just gobbledegook due to the wrong codepage (as expected from the non-Unicode build).
05:43:15 <Scriptdaemon> Yeah, lol.
05:54:45 <Scriptdaemon> I have to get up early tomorrow, so I'm going to head to bed. Tomorrow I'll look into what I was talking about earlier. I've realized it shouldn't be a big deal, since English is default anyway.
05:54:52 <Scriptdaemon> Night.
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05:54:54 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon, wait
05:54:56 <ChrisMorgan> Ah well
05:55:16 <ChrisMorgan> I was going to explain to you about the language thing. That's all it can do - it doesn't know about any language other than 1033 (English)
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06:06:47 <dboki89> ChrisMorgan: Is there any chance of PA implementing a secure login page (https protocol)?
06:06:58 <ChrisMorgan> Why?
06:07:23 <dboki89> just asking; I dislike plain http for login pages :(
06:08:05 <ChrisMorgan> Don't know quite why. I am not aware of any plans for it, and with the way Drupal works you'd still end up passing some data over http.
06:08:09 <dboki89> I'm not asking https for the entire website, just the login page. It's common practice
06:08:13 <ChrisMorgan> (The way anything works, really)
06:08:42 <ChrisMorgan> I wouldn't call it common practice at all. Some more security-minded sites do it, but very few of those that I use.
06:09:24 <dboki89> actually, not considering PA, only 1 more website I visit has http login... :)
06:15:42 <dboki89> I checked in my bookmarks, and you are right... Most seem to still use http protocol for login; it seems I just find myself using more security-aware websites :D
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09:11:45 <dboki89> ChrisMorgan: there's lots of SPAM now... :(
09:11:55 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm?
09:12:00 <ChrisMorgan> No there isn't..?
09:12:05 <dboki89> just a moment
09:12:14 <ChrisMorgan> I cleared out some spam an hour and a half ago, is that the stuff you meant?
09:12:14 <dboki89> http://portableapps.com/node/23584#new
09:12:24 <dboki89> http://portableapps.com/node/23585#new
09:12:30 <dboki89> http://portableapps.com/node/23590#new
09:12:35 <ChrisMorgan> Ah, OT, I never look there.
09:12:37 <dboki89> http://portableapps.com/node/23589#new
09:12:48 <dboki89> http://portableapps.com/node/23588#new
09:12:54 <dboki89> http://portableapps.com/node/23587#new
09:13:04 <dboki89> and http://portableapps.com/node/23586
09:13:30 <dboki89> Sorry for not removing the #new part, I just noticed them and copy/pasted them straight away
09:14:25 <ChrisMorgan> OK, all cleared and user blocked.
09:14:28 <dboki89> man, you're quick :)
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10:49:54 <ChrisMorgan> PortableApps.com Launcher 2.0 Release Candidate 1 is now out, http://portableapps.com/node/23591 :-)
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11:03:13 <GizmoBot> sar3th is a dev who likes games by valve very much
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11:17:08 <pa_8116> ChrisMorgan: Is there a possiblity in the current installer to have it add an extra launcher and append it to the appinfo?
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11:17:47 <ChrisMorgan> Read about the [Control] section.
11:17:55 <ChrisMorgan> It's done in there.
11:19:01 <pa_8116> It seems the current launcher still has all launchers using the same AppNameSettings.ini file (LastDrive)
11:19:37 <ChrisMorgan> So you are talking about the PortableApps.com Launcher?
11:19:52 <pa_8116> last one is about launcher first is about installer
11:20:08 <pa_8116> Couln't figure out how to make a plugin installer add an extra launcher
11:21:32 <ChrisMorgan> I haven't checked out thoroughly how the plugin installers work, but it could be done with custom code. As to whether it /should/ be done that way... I don't think the updater will like it. That's a topic you should broach with John, it's an interesting question of design (especially in the Platform).
11:23:07 <pa_8116> And about multiple launchers all using the same settings file?
11:29:34 <pa_8116> ?
11:33:11 <pa_8116> ChrisMorgan: Current if you have multiple launchers they will all use the same settings file but what if each one updates the drive letter in different places?
11:34:34 <ChrisMorgan> Deciding how to handle that is quite a hard point; generally, I think, the drive letter updating will be done the same across launchers. It's a bit hard working out how to best cope with ones that /aren't/ like that.
11:34:51 <ChrisMorgan> What's your use case - why is it that you need different drive letter updating for different launchers?
11:37:40 <pa_8116> The utilities that come bundled with AutoHotKey, only one of them needs drive letter updating
11:38:31 <ChrisMorgan> Which utility is that? And what is it that needs updating with it?
11:39:42 <pa_8116> The compiler, updating the MRU paths :P
11:40:58 <ChrisMorgan> Ah. So what other launchers were you having?
11:41:31 <ChrisMorgan> And I can't recall how the compiler stored its paths; is it in the registry or in a file?
11:41:41 <pa_8116> Registery
11:42:19 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm. And you won't want to load the registry data for the others.
11:42:41 <pa_8116> AutoScriptWriter, Window Spy, and AHK itself (I think I should make AHK itself be a dialog asking to open an AHK script instead of opening the sample script)
11:43:31 <ChrisMorgan> AU3_Spy could quite plausibly be a separate package. It's not really tied to AutoHotkey in any way.
11:43:58 <pa_8116> AU3_Spy launcher is a stub any how XD
11:44:35 <pa_8116> AU3_Spy and AutoScriptWrither seem to be already portable without a launcher
11:44:56 <ChrisMorgan> Quite so. They're really entirely standalone things.
11:45:24 <ChrisMorgan> I can't quite remember, did AutoScriptWriter have any settings? AU3_Spy doesn't, but did ASW?
11:45:49 <pa_8116> RegShot got nothing, last time I tried
11:46:03 <pa_8116> i'll test again later
12:01:42 <ChrisMorgan> pa_8116: I'll think about it more but I think it'll be staying the way it is during 2.0. Single launcher packages is the vast majority of apps, and I think in your case doing AutoScriptWriter, AU3_Spy and AutoHotkey as separate packages may be the way to go. Also remember to check out the current portable test version of AHK and make sure you're not stepping on anyone's toes.
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12:04:07 <ChrisMorgan> Bye, I'm off for the night now.
12:04:19 <Tester_> Hey, got a question....
12:04:52 <Tester_> saw, there's portApps 2.0Beta....
12:05:26 <Tester_> Well... I already HAVE the 1.6 on an USB-Stick with applications on it...
12:05:59 <Tester_> How to go on that my Apps stay?
12:06:04 <pa_8116> You can install it over as much as I think
12:06:11 <Tester_> simply reinstall or...?!?
12:06:12 <pa_8116> It will only install the platform
12:06:27 <Tester_> and the Apps & savings & Documents stay?
12:06:40 <pa_8116> Yes, but you should always BACKUP
12:06:48 <pa_8116> Just incase something goes wrong
12:06:49 <Tester_> got, for ure
12:06:53 <Tester_> sure~
12:07:29 <Tester_> okay, I'll try it out... hang on
12:07:47 <ChrisMorgan> The Platform is just the Platform - it doesn't touch any of the applications
12:10:30 <Tester_> Yeah! It's workin
12:10:38 <Tester_> thx 4 help
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14:16:31 <Gizmokid2005> UPDATED: KVIrc Portable 4.0r4337 PR1: http://portableapps.com/node/23424
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15:22:15 <pa_0275> hi
15:22:41 <pa_0275> i hva e a question'
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15:36:40 <pa_5611> hello
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15:38:40 <pa_8170> hello
15:38:55 <Gizmokid2005> hello pa_8170
15:39:23 <pa_8170> i'm trying 2 get help with my vlc media player
15:39:30 <pa_8170> 1.0.5
15:40:27 <kai_62656> The newest version is 0.0.6
15:40:29 <pa_8170> i'm trying to 2 stream audio 2 a shoutcast server with my mac but the setting is can of hard
15:40:31 <kai_62656> 1.0.6
15:41:03 <Gizmokid2005> pa_8170: we can't help with the actual use of the program...your best bet is to try the VLC help and support
15:41:13 <Gizmokid2005> there /may/ be a user here who can, but we only deal with the portablization
15:41:47 <pa_8170> ok
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19:32:50 <pa_8776> Hello
19:33:33 <pa_8776> Does anyone know how to tell how much memory is left on the prtable apps program?
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19:35:58 <dboki89> he certainly stayed here long enough to get the answer...
19:36:54 <Gizmokid2005> it's typical dboki89
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21:51:53 <Gringoloco> dboki89: you updated to sp3, so now we can not invetigate you problem anymore
21:53:32 <Gringoloco> investigate
21:54:42 <dboki89> Gringoloco: Somewhat. During my absense, Windows was reinstalled an all machines, in order to upgrade to sp3 in a clean fashion. ATM, I have both sp3 and sp2, depending on which machine we're talking about, but after the reinstallation of windows the problem went away...
21:55:58 <dboki89> also, there has been in improvement in my network, and we've got one Vista in here, as well as a 64bit XP. There'll probably be a Win 7 added in the mix soon
21:56:59 <Gringoloco> dboki89: I'm happy for you, but I would have liked to know what was causing it :-(
21:58:02 <dboki89> I'm glad that it went with a clean install. It just means that I've (or the other admin has) messed up something big, and the 2 boxes started behaving funny
21:58:13 <dboki89> *went away with a clean install
21:58:28 <Gringoloco> About sandboxie, it just showed up in the hive, but wasn't actually really existing in the sandboxed registry ! :-?
21:59:19 <dboki89> Gringoloco: Yea, that's funny. I don't know what could be causing it, or what could have caused my system to behave in the exact same fashion...
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