IRC Log from 2010-05-19
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00:53:12 <dboki89> vf2nsr: IIRC mean If I Recall Correctly
00:53:18 <dboki89> *means
00:53:28 <vf2nsr> ah ok
00:53:31 <vf2nsr> tyvm
00:53:36 <dboki89> np, welcome :)
00:53:52 <vf2nsr> don't want to cause issues was just unsure of what message was leading to
00:56:18 <vf2nsr> dboki89, my response posted ;)
00:56:50 <dboki89> vf2nsr: Darkbee answered you as well. Btw, I don't get what scriptdaemon was trying to tell you. I think he meant that horusofoz shouldn't have asked about the program again, since it's been asked before? (http://portableapps.com/node/2414)
00:58:23 <vf2nsr> I see noty bad 3 years between asks and then bumped by some one else
00:58:54 <vf2nsr> BTW I searched first and found no installer which is why I made the one, I never created an installer for online so figured would try
00:58:57 <dboki89> vf2nsr: no, I think it was meant for horusofoz, not you
00:59:08 <vf2nsr> ah ok
00:59:39 <vf2nsr> Did not formalize it yet anyway was hoping that those who asked would try it and see if it works for them then MAYBE I wqould put it into beta
00:59:52 <dboki89> :)
01:00:12 <dboki89> vf2nsr: you're taking over all the production on PortableApps, it would seem :)
01:00:31 <vf2nsr> no I have only taken one over that was dormant
01:00:40 <vf2nsr> and answered a few requests
01:00:59 <vf2nsr> I figured you old timers ( in apps sense not age) had full plates
01:01:20 <vf2nsr> most of what I created I created for me and decided to share
01:01:32 <dboki89> How many apps have you done so far? 5-6? I think you did pretty well for such a short time :)
01:02:02 <vf2nsr> http://portableapps.com/node/23581
01:02:19 <vf2nsr> to answer you 15
01:02:37 <vf2nsr> countin the 2 LBreakout add on installers
01:03:06 <vf2nsr> but honestly will probably only attempt to maint tain 5 since many are outdated and no longer worked on
01:03:08 <dboki89> 15? wow, that's great :D Btw, I'm not an oldtimer. Although I've been using PA for a couple of years, I only registered hald a year ago
01:03:22 <dboki89> *half a year ago
01:03:28 <vf2nsr> well beats me a few months at best
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01:03:51 <vf2nsr> and I am in contact with 3 programmers, RedNotebook, Jajuk and Zaz
01:04:14 <dboki89> is Zaz fixed now? The saving data thing...
01:04:16 <vf2nsr> 'So I guess those are my main 3
01:04:21 <vf2nsr> yup
01:04:27 <vf2nsr> in the new relase
01:04:29 <dboki89> I'll try it right now
01:04:31 <vf2nsr> and updated as well
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01:05:14 <dboki89> vf2nsr: hey, I have a great and easy suggestion for you to package one game :)
01:05:20 <vf2nsr> ??
01:05:27 <dboki89> have you heard of a KDE game called KBounce?
01:05:36 <ChrisMorgan> Gringoloco, what do you reckon is this issue with PAL compiling failing?
01:05:37 <vf2nsr> nope
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01:06:17 <dboki89> vf2nsr: try this game http://mattdm.org/icebreaker/
01:06:42 <ChrisMorgan> NSIS problem or PAL problem? It looks to me like it *must* be an NSIS problem as it's just not recognising that !macro line in Util.nsh, as far as I can see.
01:07:01 <ChrisMorgan> Though what I /then/ can't understand is why... hmm, let me check something.
01:07:32 <ChrisMorgan> Util.nsh has already been included earlier, so that !if will be satisfied, just thinking maybe there is an NSIS bug there in its handling of the !if...
01:07:37 <dboki89> vf2nsr: It (IceBreaker) doesn't touch the registry or anything, just 2 files in the same folder of the app, IIRC. I'm downloading Zaz right now...
01:07:57 <vf2nsr> dboki89, looking at both apps now
01:11:51 <ChrisMorgan> Ah, I know why launcher.ini's in once more. It's because I'm back to the old ForEachINIPair but didn't re-add the FileClose.
01:13:50 <dboki89> vf2nsr: Sorry, I wasn't clear enough... I only mentioned KBounce since IceBreaker is a clone of KBounce, and KBounce is more known/popular, but only for linux... You only need to look at the IceBreaker, since it's the only such game that works well on Windows :)
01:14:28 <ChrisMorgan> dboki89, KBounce works fine in kde-win
01:14:38 <ChrisMorgan> But KGoldRunner is still better ;-)
01:14:40 <vf2nsr> well actually there is a KBounce version for windows
01:14:48 <dboki89> ChrisMorgan: but you need KDE installed to Windows!
01:15:03 <vf2nsr> because I have it with the KDE for windows package
01:15:29 <dboki89> my point - IceBreaker works without KDE or similar dependencies
01:15:35 <ChrisMorgan> dboki89: the installer's the only problem with that. Once you've got a kde-win installation it's easy to make portable - set the KDE_HOME environment and a handful of Qt registry keys.
01:16:35 <dboki89> I prefer the look and feel of KBounce myself, but I found IceBreaker to be a worthy substitute. That's why I suggested it to vf2nsr. It should be an easy package, and a nice game :D
01:17:10 <ChrisMorgan> It is a nice simple type of game, but still with a level of difficulty :-)
01:17:22 <dboki89> ChrisMorgan: :D
01:18:04 <sar3th> but
01:18:15 <sar3th> you don't have the apps in any startmenu or something
01:18:59 <sar3th> and the come with many additional dependancies which makes hiding unnecessary programs to a test of patience
01:19:09 <ChrisMorgan> Yep.
01:19:33 <dboki89> sar3th: now you're talking about KDE?
01:19:38 <sar3th> yes
01:19:57 <vf2nsr> you get zaz 0.7.0 ok dboki89?
01:20:10 <dboki89> oh, I'll test it right away :)
01:20:44 <vf2nsr> no just wanted to make sure I had link correct
01:21:10 <vf2nsr> I am not always the best typist...ask Chris he will tell ya
01:21:30 <vf2nsr> I am more of a typoist
01:22:32 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm. Just realised an issue with this Armenian translation. There's no such translation for NSIS.
01:23:12 <ChrisMorgan> What's more there won't be for the ANSI build either, there's no Armenian codepage.
01:27:52 <vf2nsr> Thanks for input dbokoi89 got to head off for a bit have fun and let me know how Zaz woirks or doesn't for you
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01:28:56 <dboki89> darn
01:29:00 <dboki89> he just left
01:43:49 <ChrisMorgan> Well. Seems like the Armenian translation for PAL isn't going anywhere until there is support in (a) NSIS and (b) the Platform.
01:49:43 <ChrisMorgan> What say you lot (probably especially JohnTHaller): replacing ReadINIStr with ${ConfigRead} on the user overrides INI file so the heading isn't neccesary.
02:02:52 <ChrisMorgan> Well, I've done it so you'd better not mind ;-) Also I've done [DirectoriesMove] with a key name of -.
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03:31:22 <ChrisMorgan> Issues concerning the Generator fixed.
03:32:34 <JohnTHaller> Hey ChrisMorgan
03:32:38 <JohnTHaller> Gonna post a PR2?
03:32:40 <ChrisMorgan> Hey JohnTHaller
03:32:47 <ChrisMorgan> RC, not PR ;-)
03:32:55 <JohnTHaller> right
03:33:08 <ChrisMorgan> I will, though whether today or after a bit more testing I'm not entirely decided.
03:33:37 <ChrisMorgan> It's easier to build at home on Linux than it is here at Uni so I might wait till I get home (in about four hours time).
03:34:14 <JohnTHaller> That's cool.
03:34:45 <ChrisMorgan> I also want to update the template package I made to include this headerless user config override change I just made, and to remove PAL from it so the user has to generate it themselves. Any other suggestions for it?
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03:35:27 <JohnTHaller> Why do you want the INI headerless?
03:36:27 <ChrisMorgan> Just makes it easier to make the whole Other\Source directory app-independent, and also as an incidental thing once or twice people have got confused with it when they get the wrong header.
03:36:43 <ChrisMorgan> It's a single line thing with ${ConfigRead}, so I decided quite some time ago I should and just never got round to it.
03:39:20 <ChrisMorgan> It also makes the files more consistent with one another.
03:41:33 <ChrisMorgan> What's new in PAF 2?
03:43:22 <JohnTHaller> Mainly installer changes. Though the Optional Section now has bits to say whether it should be automatically installed or not when the installer is in auto mode (run through the updater)
03:44:14 <ChrisMorgan> Someone had an interesting question last night about plugin installers adding extra icons, and how that should work with appinfo.ini's [Control] section.
03:46:20 <JohnTHaller> Plugin installers can't add extra icons. Period.
03:46:34 <ChrisMorgan> That's what I thought and more or less said
03:46:48 <ChrisMorgan> Mozilla apps you do into a separate directory.
03:47:47 <JohnTHaller> If you need another icon, it's a new app. Even if it makes use of an existing one. Like I do with the second profile ones.
03:48:02 <ChrisMorgan> PAL doesn't support that sort of operation at the moment.
03:48:19 <ChrisMorgan> Wonder who it was, anyway... they stayed with a pa_ nick.
03:48:45 <ChrisMorgan> Gringoloco: with this new registry import of yours (works great on XP, btw), have you put in support for [-HKEY_...] to delete a key and "foo"=- to delete a value? We don't need them ourselves, but if you want people to use it as the main registry plug-in it'd be best if it supports the full spec.
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03:50:17 <ChrisMorgan> Gringoloco, also, not supporting the REGEDIT4 format is fine... after the first run post-update - all our official apps currently use the ANSI REGEDIT4 format, so they'll need to be able to import that type once. It'd be fine to check the first line and then pass it to regedit.exe if it's REGEDIT4.
03:51:52 <ChrisMorgan> And that's a really great, thorough test you did there. Tests everything I can think of and a number of other features I didn't know about in the .reg format/registry...
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05:19:35 <Gringoloco> ChrisMorgan: Sorry, I was sleeping
05:19:40 <Gringoloco> ChrisMorgan: Ca
05:19:51 <ChrisMorgan> Tis fine, I've emailed you about it (and looked at the code too)
05:20:20 <Gringoloco> ChrisMorgan: Can you (please) confirm there weren't any crash messages in Wine?
05:20:28 <ChrisMorgan> Can't yet as I'm at Uni
05:20:32 <ChrisMorgan> When I get home I will.
05:21:20 <Gringoloco> Some thing I can't remember, but...
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05:22:10 <Gringoloco> With the last test, were you only experiencing the crash messages with the unicode d
05:22:29 <Gringoloco> unicoded registry file, and not with the ansi?
05:22:51 <ChrisMorgan> I think so. That's no guarrantee it wouldn't have happened if I'd done it enough times though.
05:23:40 <Gringoloco> I can't wait for you testing it on Wine...
05:24:07 <ChrisMorgan> Terribly sorry, you'll have to :D
05:33:33 <Gringoloco> <ChrisMorgan> Gringoloco, what do you reckon is this issue with PAL compiling failing?
05:34:32 <Gringoloco> Is that about TextFunc.nsh / Utils.nsh?
05:34:54 <ChrisMorgan> I've worked it out (mostly). What I still can't work out is how it's getting to do what it is. I've got a reliable workaround, but it's still not doing what it should in getting to that code at all.
05:35:34 <Gringoloco> It was the appinfo.ini, wasn't it?
05:35:48 <ChrisMorgan> It was NAME being defined but empty.
05:35:57 <ChrisMorgan> Which came from appinfo.ini.
05:36:06 <ChrisMorgan> Which came also from a minor deficiency in the Generator.
05:44:55 <Gringoloco> Kubuntu downloaded, how about runing Kubuntu\Wine in a VM?
05:45:13 <ChrisMorgan> 9.10 or 10.04?
05:45:27 <Gringoloco> 10.04
05:45:35 <ChrisMorgan> The version of Wine in the 10.04 repository is 1.1
05:46:02 <Gringoloco> Argh, so where do I get 9.10
05:47:51 <ChrisMorgan> Interesting question. They definitely don't make it easy to get an old version.
05:48:26 <OliverK> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/
05:48:27 <Gringoloco> I know...mind you if the latest RestorKey is working on your Wine version..
05:48:43 <ChrisMorgan> I'll test it when I get home.
05:48:47 <ChrisMorgan> Thanks OliverK
05:48:48 <Gringoloco> Probably we could assume that it will be working on 1.0.1?
05:48:57 <OliverK> sadly 9.10 isn't in there yet
05:49:00 <ChrisMorgan> It'll be safer to test it.
05:49:05 <OliverK> because its still in extended support
05:49:34 <ChrisMorgan> Jaunty has 1.0.1, so 9.04 will do
05:49:41 <OliverK> otherwise, http://releases.ubuntu.com/
05:49:43 <OliverK> :D
05:49:59 <OliverK> that has 9.10 available
05:50:46 <ChrisMorgan> Or go with Dapper and then you can try out Wine 0.9.9!
05:51:50 <OliverK> heh
05:51:58 <OliverK> fedora for me, thanks
05:52:07 <ChrisMorgan> So long as it's got Wine :-)
05:52:21 <OliverK> don't need no stinkin wine. Dual bot
05:52:24 <OliverK> boot*
05:52:37 <Gringoloco> Which is the smallest?
05:52:51 <Gringoloco> Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic Koala), 690MB
05:52:52 <OliverK> of the to?
05:53:04 <Gringoloco> Of any,?
05:53:06 <OliverK> you can get a dvd of fedora :D or just a live disc
05:53:07 <ChrisMorgan> They all seem to be around 700MB.
05:53:19 <OliverK> smallest of any is damn small linux, but its worthless
05:53:28 <ChrisMorgan> You could get a smaller type of Linux which you could probably get Wine on to.
05:53:41 <OliverK> puppy is good, but not many packages or to well supported last I checked. Still nice and about 300 mb or so
05:53:44 <Gringoloco> So I will have to download it the following night
05:54:00 <Gringoloco> tonight
05:54:07 <OliverK> just go with ubuntu, its what everyone uses
05:54:25 <Gringoloco> Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic Koala) ?
05:54:48 <Gringoloco> In VirtualBox ?
05:54:54 <OliverK> sure
05:55:08 <ChrisMorgan> That should be fine. If you're really eager to try an old version you could try e.g. 6.06.
05:56:04 <Gringoloco> Nah, basacily all I want is Wine 1.0.1
05:56:13 <ChrisMorgan> (Wow! Ubuntu 4.10 was only 523MB!)
05:56:20 <ChrisMorgan> OK then, 9.10 will suit you
05:59:10 <OliverK> night all
05:59:14 <OliverK> or morning, depending
05:59:16 <OliverK> .t
05:59:16 <GizmoBot> Wed, 19 May 2010 01:01:08 CDT
05:59:18 <OliverK> :D
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06:09:45 <Gringoloco> ChrisMorgan: about the code I emailed you...
06:09:53 <ChrisMorgan> Yes?
06:10:33 <Gringoloco> I rather have PAL checking for the return value and do an ExecWait regedit.exe, if it is ansi ?
06:11:13 <ChrisMorgan> Seems to me it'd be better if the plug-in did it, because then it's in for every call.
06:11:18 <Gringoloco> I could do a special return value for ansi
06:11:44 <ChrisMorgan> If you're finding out what it is, surely it's easy to just run that bit of code you've got below to feed it to regedit?
06:12:13 <Gringoloco> I just do not like the way the plug-in doesn't wait for regedit.exe to finish, before returning
06:12:48 <ChrisMorgan> Why wouldn't it be waiting?
06:13:49 <Gringoloco> cause it's just doing 'CreateProcess()' which doesn't wait for it!
06:14:07 <Gringoloco> see: http://portableapps.com/node/23438
06:14:45 <Gringoloco> I could make the plug-in wait for it, but means another re-write of the code
06:14:56 <ChrisMorgan> Ah, so /that's/ why.
06:14:58 <ChrisMorgan> That needs fixing.
06:15:20 <Gringoloco> Fixing in NSIS or C ?
06:15:25 <ChrisMorgan> Just wait...
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06:32:41 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... I see.
06:32:53 <Gringoloco> ?
06:33:23 <ChrisMorgan> ExecWait is using WaitForSingleObject
06:33:37 <Gringoloco> I believe so
06:34:01 <ChrisMorgan> (Source/exehead/exec.c, line 875)
06:34:03 <Gringoloco> I've been using Execwait regedit.exe in the recent test packages
06:34:18 <Gringoloco> And seems fine
06:34:48 <ChrisMorgan> And there's no way of executing ExecWait regedit.exe from the C via the NSIS API?
06:35:21 <Gringoloco> I do not know about that !
06:35:27 <ChrisMorgan> Ah, got it: you've got that nsh file, return a special value in there which is caught by the NSIS script macro and then it can do it there.
06:36:29 <Gringoloco> in registry.nsh, you are talking ?
06:36:33 <ChrisMorgan> Yep
06:36:42 <ChrisMorgan> In the macro registry::RestoreKey
06:37:06 <Gringoloco> I add 'Execwait regedit.exe' into the macro ?
06:37:40 <ChrisMorgan> That'd work - put in a special return code of -2 and if it's that then ExecWait 'regedit.exe /s ...'
06:38:04 <Gringoloco> Ok
06:38:13 <ChrisMorgan> How does that sound?
06:39:13 <Gringoloco> Good
06:40:04 <Gringoloco> Would you like a special return code for failure of HKLM?
06:40:59 <ChrisMorgan> However you like to do it. I think you need to make sure it's backwards compatible with the old one though.
06:41:14 <ChrisMorgan> What I thought it did (but now realise it didn't) is return -1 if it failed to import the key.
06:41:22 <ChrisMorgan> And I think that's how it should behave.
06:42:34 <Gringoloco> The old one is just bad coding, only returning if file not found
06:42:47 <Gringoloco> returning -1
06:43:21 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah. It describes it in the help file a way that led me to believe what I did.
06:43:39 <ChrisMorgan> Bye, I've got to go home now, then I'll check the plugin in Wine :-)
06:44:36 <Gringoloco> Good luck
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07:22:29 <pa_9041> help!
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07:23:24 <pa_9041> can i make a c#.net application as portable application?
07:24:02 <pa_9041> help!
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07:24:53 <pa_9041> what are portable applications?
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07:52:08 <pa_9041> help!
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08:12:07 <pa_9041> can i make a c#.net application as portable application?
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08:37:37 <pa_3223> help!
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08:38:12 <pa_3223> My portable application does not display splash screen
08:39:33 <pa_3223> I have put a file named splash.jpg in appinfo folder
08:42:09 <pa_3223> ChrisMorgan: My portable application does not display splash screen even though I have put a file named splash.jpg in appinfo folder
08:44:44 <ChrisMorgan> pa_3223: it goes in the Launcher subfolder, next to the launcher INI file
08:46:39 <pa_3223> thanks for the reply but why don't the portable apps I downloaded from here contain a launcher folder
08:47:30 <ChrisMorgan> Because they're not using the PortableApps.com Launcher yet.
08:48:21 <pa_3223> then how are the launchers for them created
08:49:17 <ChrisMorgan> They're written in NSIS, like the PortableApps.com Launcher, but with specific code to do each thing rather than the INI configuration of the Launcher.
08:50:40 <pa_3223> Thank you so much. It's been a pleasure chatting with you.
08:51:03 <ChrisMorgan> You're welcome.
08:51:18 <ChrisMorgan> As it happens I need to go now so I can't continue to chat. Bye.
08:51:49 <pa_3223> Bye.
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09:57:55 <pa_4020> Help! A program stores its settings in HKEY_USERS. How to handle this?
10:00:34 <pa_4020> Gizmokid2005: A program stores its settings in HKEY_USERS. How to handle this?
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15:08:18 <neomann> hi
15:08:48 <neomann> where should i place pidgin plugins?
15:09:12 <neomann> PidginPortable\App\Pidgin\plugins
15:09:27 <neomann> or
15:09:28 <neomann> PidginPortable\Data\settings\.purple
15:09:29 <neomann> ?
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15:23:31 <Gringoloco> Hello...
15:24:11 <Gringoloco> Is there anybody about who has experiance in installing Wine in Ubuntu?
15:27:27 <Gringoloco> Or should it be installed already, but I can't find how to work it ?
15:55:24 <Mir> try the wine irc channel
15:55:30 <Mir> or the ubuntu channel
15:55:52 <Mir> and no it is not preinstalled
15:56:17 <Mir> Microshit would sue canocal's ass off if it was
16:07:07 <Gringoloco> Ok thanx, I think I got it going now but I'm afraid it won't be version 1.0.1
16:09:48 <Mir> :|
16:10:01 <Mir> 1.0.1 has been out long enough to be in the repos
16:10:20 <Mir> how the bloody heck are you installing it and what version od poobuntu?
16:17:15 <Gringoloco> I'm installing it in Virtualbox, it's my first time even using any linux
16:17:37 <Gringoloco> Ubuntu 9.10
16:18:10 <Gringoloco> Need wine to do some additional testing of a new version of the registry plug-in
16:21:33 <Gringoloco> !@#$ And yes I did install 1.1.44, argh
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22:56:36 <gluxon> ChrisMorgan: Has the PortableApps.com Launcher reached the point where it has a GUI? As in enter values in a wizard instead of INI?
23:01:25 <ChrisMorgan> No. I'm not intending to do that for a while, either.
23:02:11 <gluxon> Okay.
23:11:38 <FireFox> does the autoplay or w/e work in win7 at all? >.>
23:14:41 <gluxon> FireFox: No, sorry :(
23:15:21 <FireFox> unfortunate.
23:15:47 <gluxon> I still have the fake CD on my drive, so it still works for me :)
23:16:38 <gluxon> Take a look here, if your drive supports it.
23:16:38 <gluxon> http://usb.smithtech.us/projects/autolauncher4u3.php
23:35:29 <gluxon> ChrisMorgan: LogicLib does support If's inside If's, right?
23:35:38 <ChrisMorgan> Yes
23:35:43 <ChrisMorgan> Nesting as far as you like
23:35:49 <gluxon> Thanks :)
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