IRC Log from 2010-05-22

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00:10:04 <gluxon> dboki86: RegShot works fine on my 32 bit Vista and 7.
00:11:47 <dboki89> not on mine
00:11:58 <dboki89> it just halts, and it's a fresh install/update
00:12:12 <dboki89> by mine, it's actually a friends, but I have a daily access
00:12:59 <dboki89> I'll just try without scanning for files, only registry to check, please wait a few minutes and I'll report back
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00:17:28 <dboki89> I'm on that Vista machine now, am retrying...
00:17:56 <Scriptdaemon> K.
00:21:05 <gluxon> It freezes, right?
00:21:58 <dboki89> that obnoxious grean spinning circle is still spinning, and the program is "Not Responding"
00:22:16 <dboki89> I can upload the pic, just don't know where
00:23:00 <gluxon> Yeah, that happens for me too.
00:23:04 <gluxon> Don't worry about it.
00:23:06 <ChrisMorgan> dboki89: at what stage does it halt? And what version is it you're using?
00:23:21 <ChrisMorgan> And have you tried waiting for quite a while (sometimes up to several minutes)
00:23:21 <dboki89> version 1.8.2
00:23:46 <gluxon> dboki89: Wait for it, it's freezing when it's writing/saving.
00:23:49 <dboki89> If I had where to upload the screenshot, you could see. It scanned the registry (took 7 sec) and than halted
00:24:02 <gluxon> dboki89: Yeah, wait for it.
00:24:06 <dboki89> I didn't ask it to SAVE the file, just take the shot
00:24:25 <gluxon> It should actually happen 3 times.
00:24:34 <gluxon> It's kind of normal, actually.
00:24:36 <dboki89> earlier, I left it for more than 15min, it still halted
00:25:03 <gluxon> You tried to close as many processes as you could, right?
00:25:04 <dboki89> than I killed it; I repeat, I didn't choose the option to save to disk, as that way it works alower
00:25:16 <gluxon> ... that's what you don't do :P
00:26:01 <dboki89> gluxon: what's what I don't do?
00:27:27 <gluxon> Kill it after it freezes.
00:27:54 <gluxon> And don't repeatedly click it (it's tempting :P)
00:29:00 <dboki89> [...] and it's still spinning [...]; It took less time to regshoot a P3 machine, than this Vista.. gluxon, don't worry, I'm not clicking on it. The first time I left the machine run like that for 15min, and then... you know :)
00:31:08 <gluxon> Then IDK :(
00:34:06 <dboki89> ...still spinning... (I haven't clicked on it since the start of the regshot). CPU is constant at around 50%. Machine is brand new, dual core, 3GB RAM; Vista freshly installed (3 days ago or such) and updated
00:37:57 <ChrisMorgan> 50%, that's one core: it's using as much as it can.
00:38:19 <ChrisMorgan> It's possible that it's some form of recursion in the registry. Are you scanning any location on disk?
00:38:36 <dboki89> just the registry, no directories
00:38:55 <dboki89> it's been 20 minutes now, btw
00:40:26 <ChrisMorgan> Recursion of some sort then, I'd say. Remotely possible that it's also something to do with the system locale.
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00:41:31 <dboki89> just checked, it's set as English, apart from some apps being set to Serbian
00:42:22 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm. Strange problem.
00:42:37 <dboki89> ChrisMorgan: can you explain me what usually causes the recursions? So I can try to troubleshoot..
00:43:07 <ChrisMorgan> If it were looking in the filesystem, it'd be hardlinks or symlinks causing recursion. In the registry, I'm not sure.
00:44:12 <ChrisMorgan> There are some redirects, e.g. HKCR=HKCU\Classes, and HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet=HKLM\System\ControlSet001 (or 002 etc. for different hardware profiles) [this one is always doubled up in Regshot reports], but I can't think of anything that should cause recursion.
00:44:49 <dboki89> I think I'll kill RegShot now, it's been 26 minutes
00:45:04 <dboki89> then, do you want me to export those keys and send them to you?
00:45:58 <ChrisMorgan> No, don't bother with that. They won't be the problem at all.
00:46:03 <ChrisMorgan> It'll be something else.
00:46:44 <dboki89> Problem is, apart from default windows programs, only Mozilal Firefox is installed locally... The rest in use are PortableApps
00:47:20 <dboki89> and my graphic card/sound card programs/drivers/something
00:47:28 <ChrisMorgan> There, got the development/test page down from 77 errors, 3 warnings down to 5 errors (two of which are in the template, three of which are due to lacking entity encoding of <thead>...</thead> inside the script tag).
00:49:14 <ChrisMorgan> Ooh, Wine is up from 1.1.44 to 1.2 rc1 :-)
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00:54:50 <dboki89> ChrisMorgan: does it make any sense if the key responsible was HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\UmRdpService
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00:55:51 <ChrisMorgan> No.
00:56:09 <ChrisMorgan> I'm not aware of any way you can create custom "symlinks" in the registry.
00:56:15 <dboki89> when I started regedit, that key was expanded...
00:56:42 <ChrisMorgan> That just means it was the last key looked at.
00:56:52 <ChrisMorgan> Oh. You can have symbolic links in the registry.
00:57:10 <dboki89> yea, but I haven't touched the registry here yet; might be the other admin touching something in here
00:57:12 <gluxon> Just a suggestion, but try scanning for registry errors in CCleaner.
00:57:31 <Scriptdaemon> Btw, I fixed the problem with RegAlyzer (obviously). Pebkac, I had "RunAsAdmin=true" rather than force.
00:59:45 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... there may be possibilities for this in the future, if we could have a portable applications hive, load it and then have a use a SymLinkKey to connect the local location to the portable hive.
01:00:05 <ChrisMorgan> Not sure about loading a hive into a separate location though. Not sure how well that can be done at all.
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01:12:47 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon: I'm surprised, you haven't created a comment in d/t yet for RootAlyzer
01:13:14 <Scriptdaemon> The create comment page is open.
01:13:14 <Scriptdaemon> =P
01:14:19 <vf2nsr> :) I just downloaded the trio to install later
01:15:12 <dboki89> vf2nsr: if you care to wait for about 15 minutes, I'll be testing ZazPortable for you under Vista and report back :)
01:15:29 <vf2nsr> sure tyhing
01:15:50 <vf2nsr> dboki89: I would appreciate it workingon packaging icebreaker now
01:16:26 <Scriptdaemon> ChrisMorgan, there you go. :)
01:16:27 <vf2nsr> and chuckling at a typo in a post tro Darkbee
01:17:12 <Scriptdaemon> Btw, date is wrong for VLMC. Should be 2010-05-20 (the day isn't in dd format).
01:17:20 <Scriptdaemon> month* mm*
01:18:07 <Scriptdaemon> I'm afraid to put Spybot in my Dropbox folder. That one's going to get a lot of downloads and I only have 10 GB a week.
01:18:15 <Scriptdaemon> (I haven't done it yet though).
01:19:11 <Scriptdaemon> Bbl, store.
01:19:15 <Scriptdaemon> Need food.
01:20:34 <dboki89> ChrisMorgan: just an update - I'm using RegScan now to search for potential REG_LINK entries, and see if they were causing conflict
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01:30:13 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon: I've got plenty of bandwidth to spare (over 500GB/month spare) if you want.
01:31:14 <vf2nsr> since it is an installer can't he use sourceforge?
01:31:49 <dboki89> vf2nsr: Zaz works perfectly on 32bit Vista. I've checked for files, all is clean. I can't vouche for the registry though, but it should be OK
01:32:19 <vf2nsr> Awesome thanks dboki89
01:32:29 <dboki89> you're welcome :)
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01:34:39 <ChrisMorgan> vf2nsr: not an open source product
01:35:04 <vf2nsr> understandable but the launcher/installer is?
01:35:36 <ChrisMorgan> Launcher and installer are but not the product, which is being bundled.
01:36:05 <vf2nsr> I 6thought they were installers like the the alkyzers are?
01:36:48 <vf2nsr> my error back to my corner
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01:48:23 <dboki89> back to the drawing board; searching the entire registry for REG_LINK type entries returned empty.. :( Also, to verify that the machine's performance wasn't an issue, it ran RegScanner and SuperTuxKart at the same time, without any hiccups... Out of ideas.
01:52:13 <vf2nsr> dboki89: grrr icebreaker tougher than thought getting a SDL Error\
01:53:26 <dboki89> how come? Zaz also uses SDL, no problems there :) Have you ran a music player at the same time (just asking...)?
01:55:11 <vf2nsr> nope has to be something I put or didnt put in launcher
01:55:18 <vf2nsr> checking now
01:55:47 <dboki89> ChrisMorgan: in the end, all it took was a little Google-ing... It appears RegShot 1.8.2 is NOT supported or meant to work under Vista (?). For Vista, users should use Regshot 2.0.1... That's what I dug up, at least
01:56:03 <dboki89> gluxon: are you sure you're running version 1.8.2 under Vista?
01:56:06 <ChrisMorgan> Regshot 2.0 is a completely different product.
01:56:21 <ChrisMorgan> Developed by a different person.
01:56:30 <dboki89> a Russian, I know that
01:56:33 <ChrisMorgan> I used Regshot 1.8.2 on Vista quite happily for a long time.
01:57:36 <gluxon> dboki89: Yeah, I am.
01:58:22 <dboki89> hmm; WinPenPack claims 1.8.2 doesn't work on Vista, and it doesn't work on mine; I'll try version 2, and if it works I'll stick to it
01:59:01 <dboki89> does Microsoft put something special or removes something from Windows OSes which are sold in Serbia?
01:59:49 <gluxon> dboki89: Wait, have you tried Compatibility Mode yet? And Run as Administrator?
02:00:08 <dboki89> I'm running as Admin, but haven't tried compatibility mode
02:00:19 <gluxon> Okay, try that real quick.
02:00:35 <ChrisMorgan> dboki89: have you tried running *not* as admin?
02:01:17 <dboki89> ChrisMorgan: nope; I'm just trying in compatibility mode, please wait a few minutes
02:01:36 <gluxon> lol, how would not running as admin help? :P
02:01:56 <ChrisMorgan> gluxon: you might be surprised.
02:02:32 <ChrisMorgan> With reduced permissions it won't be able to see certain things in the registry, and it's possible that that may help.
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02:04:04 <gluxon> ChrisMorgan: Oh :)
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02:06:19 <gluxon> dboki89: It was a custom install, right?
02:07:21 <dboki89> of Vista? Yea
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02:08:09 <dboki89> it appears RegShot has halted again, but I'll give it some more time...
02:08:19 <Scriptdaemon> ChrisMorgan, thanks for the offer. I might have to take you up on it. As far as Regshot, could it possible be due to differences with unicode and ANSI?
02:08:25 <gluxon> dboki89: And the disk is the standard MS disk? Withough country labels or anything?
02:08:38 <ChrisMorgan> Shouldn't change anything
02:08:53 <gluxon> ChrisMorgan: I didn't think it would.
02:09:16 <ChrisMorgan> As usual it's possible it could in case of bad code but it shouldn't.
02:09:57 <Scriptdaemon> Does the test page load incredibly slow for anyone else?
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02:12:12 <ChrisMorgan> not reallt
02:12:17 <ChrisMorgan> y
02:12:47 <ChrisMorgan> Anyone got any familiarity with the issues of Thunderbird account corruption who could help with http://portableapps.com/node/23530?
02:16:14 <dboki89> gluxon: it's standardly labeled as Windows Vista Ultimate Edition, and all the rest is in Serbian. There are no special branding like "Serbian Edition", if that's what you meant...
02:19:39 <dboki89> If you guys don't mind, I'll give version 2.0 a go, and if it works I'll stick with it. I'm not the only one for whom Vista is not working, since I've seen a Note in Italian that 1.8.2 is incompatible with Vista...
02:21:59 <Scriptdaemon> I never trusted that one. I couldn't find the code anywhere, is it even available?
02:22:18 <dboki89> I'm actually searching for it
02:23:09 <Scriptdaemon> ChrisMorgan, have you played with Pingus before? I have absolutely no idea how to change languages in that game.
02:23:30 <ChrisMorgan> I've played it but not investigated such things.
02:24:41 <Scriptdaemon> I couldn't see anywhere in-game, there are no language-related env vars, and I couldn't find anything in any of the settings.
02:24:54 <Scriptdaemon> I wonder if the dev is in #pingus...
02:25:03 <ChrisMorgan> Does it support multiple languages?
02:25:14 <Scriptdaemon> It has other language files.
02:26:21 <ChrisMorgan> What naming scheme?
02:26:27 <Scriptdaemon> PingusPortable\App\Pingus\data\po
02:27:06 <Scriptdaemon> They're all .po files.
02:27:23 <ChrisMorgan> Not compiled. Strange.
02:27:30 <ChrisMorgan> Have you tried LANG?
02:27:56 <Scriptdaemon> I haven't *tried* it I don't think, but there's no LANG env var by default.
02:28:04 <Scriptdaemon> I might attempt it a bit later.
02:28:46 <ChrisMorgan> I'd suggest setting it. It's the most likely to work.
02:29:58 <Scriptdaemon> You sneaky little... ProcAlyzer leaves a dump folder in C:. I'll have to fix that.
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02:39:09 <gluxon> ChrisMorgan: You know the problem with NSIS Portable in Windows 7?
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11:56:10 <cM> Hello anyone active in here this morning (CST)
11:58:04 <ChrisMorgan> Various people are at various times.
11:58:10 <cM> I was wandering if all was well, I have been watching the site and know that the updates are sparse waiting on 2.0 action. However today marks the 30th day of silence concerning any updates, apps/site/news/etc. SO thought I would come in here and see if I could try and find out an eta of anything.
11:58:16 <ChrisMorgan> I am just now but won't be in a couple of minutes.
11:58:45 <cM> Thanks for your quick reply ChrisMorgan
11:58:56 <ChrisMorgan> It's not silence, just less noise about it. It'll be coming soon, but the definition of "soon" may not be what you want.
11:59:32 <ChrisMorgan> I don't have anything to do with the Platform 2.0, that's all John's stuff, but I've got the Launcher ready now and I'm expecting it will be being released at a similar time.
11:59:47 <cM> its not that I want a certain answer just want the answer :) a month a day a year something so I know if I need to manually be making updates to my apps or etc know what I am saying?
11:59:49 <ChrisMorgan> John's expecting to start the releases back again in the next few days, I believe.
12:01:37 <cM> Maybe if someone could at least post on the forum 1 month till or something because the end users that doesnt understand forums (they are out there) all they see is the last update (ending of win9x support) well they may thinks its done and wont come back and tell their friends it must be over. see what I am saying?
12:03:21 <ChrisMorgan> There are updates inside the forum, but they tend to be just fairly quick things when there's fairly-large-but-not-really-big news. John posted one status update (in General Discussion) a couple of weeks or so ago.
12:03:30 <cM> I am an open source/portable apps advacate and push pa.c much, however I got a lot of people asking questions that I cannot answer from what I have seen on the site news wise. (I am that silent guy that promotes the snot out of stuff and no one ever knows about me, the way I like it :)
12:03:49 <cM> yea that update was (today) a month ago
12:03:59 <cM> if it is the one I am thinking about
12:04:24 <ChrisMorgan> The problem is that when you have a certain amount of time, you can either spend it developing and making your release, or explaining why it's not on time...
12:04:41 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm, yes, the last status update /was/ a month ago... how time flies :-)
12:05:27 <cM> sure I understand, and not getting mad about it was just tossing words out there to try and get more answers, along with maybe some suggestions thats all :) and time does fly I am off this morning to the airport to pick up my
12:05:29 <ChrisMorgan> Also John's had a LOT going on with the currently-invisible business side of things and securing the financial future of PortableApps.com.
12:05:45 <ChrisMorgan> Goodnight, I'm off too now :-)
12:05:53 <cM> 73 year old father in law he is coming back from a month long missions trip in the Philippians
12:06:32 <cM> goodnight ChrisMorgan have a good one thanks for your answers and time
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12:07:24 <ChrisMorgan> I presume he meant Philippines or however they're spelled rather than Philippians :P
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16:46:25 <gluxon> Anyone know what the scheduled maintenance is about?
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19:08:30 <Gizmokid2005> gluxon: ?
19:27:03 <gluxon> There was a maintenance on the site a while ago.
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19:44:46 <gluxon> Hello pa_3394, need help? :)
19:45:52 <pa_3394> well unless you know when the apps will stop being held up by the PAPsmear, not really :-/
19:46:49 <gluxon> Yes, I do know, when the Platform 2.0 comes out :P
19:47:15 <pa_3394> not funny
20:12:53 <Bensawsome> pa_3394 it will come out when it comes out.
20:13:28 <pa_3394> no useful :(
20:13:36 <pa_3394> you may go back to sleep now
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