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01:41:32 <pa_4613> hi
01:41:47 <ChrisMorgan> Hi, pa_4613! Is there something we can help you with?
01:41:58 <pa_4613> µTorrent Portable the new 1
01:42:08 <pa_4613> when will it come out
01:42:31 <pa_4613> as portable
01:43:42 <OliverK> when its done :P
01:43:46 <OliverK> :)*
01:43:48 <ChrisMorgan> It's on our list of things to update.
01:43:58 <OliverK> sorry, p is directly below ) and I missed
01:44:11 <OliverK> we've been told a large amount of updates is coming
01:44:25 <pa_4613> can i update it myself put the new torrent in the folder
01:45:35 <ChrisMorgan> That should work fine.
01:46:09 <pa_4613> ill download the new u torrent and put in the potable appl
01:46:17 <pa_4613> and it will work
01:46:27 <ChrisMorgan> Put utorrent.exe in the App\uTorrent directory.
01:47:07 <pa_4613> C:\portable\uTorrentPortable\App
01:47:27 <ChrisMorgan> C:\portable\uTorrentPortable\App\uTorrent for you
01:47:41 <ChrisMorgan> It's the directory with utorrent.exe and utorrent.lng in it.
01:48:00 <pa_4613> great
01:48:23 <pa_4613> these portables work better then the installed ones
01:48:55 <pa_4613> the firefox is better then the installed one
01:49:25 <ChrisMorgan> It's portable, no more. Nothing is changed in the actual application.
01:49:25 <pa_4613> i deleted the new ff and installed portable
01:49:56 <pa_4613> yes but the hard drive makes less noise loading
01:50:39 <ChrisMorgan> Not normally.
01:51:05 <pa_4613> your portables are great
01:51:11 <ChrisMorgan> They're doing just the same as they normally do, plus a bit more in setting up the portability.
01:51:11 <pa_4613> seamonkey
01:51:15 <ChrisMorgan> Glad you like them :-)
01:51:22 <pa_4613> i do
01:51:46 <pa_4613> thanks a million
01:52:10 <pa_4613> bye
01:52:21 <ChrisMorgan> Bye
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03:40:56 <pa_2718> help!
03:40:57 <GizmoBot> pa_2718: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
03:41:21 <pa_2718> Well not that bad but how to install extensions into Chrome Portable?
03:44:25 <pa_2718> ??
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03:49:19 <pa_2718> Is it possible to install extensions into Google Chrome Portable?
03:54:50 <pa_2718> How do I install extensions into Google Chrome Portable?
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03:56:55 <GizmoBot> Chazz is the guy who failed at developing stuff. :D
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04:05:03 <pa_2718> How do I install extensions into Google Chrome Portable?
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04:09:58 <OliverK> pa_2718: you should just be able to install extensions to google chrome
04:12:15 <pa_2718> OliverK: When I click install (from the extensions gallery) it asks to save a CRX file?
04:12:28 <OliverK> yup, go ahead and save it
04:12:52 <OliverK> it has to download the extension so it cna install it (based on little experiance and how firefox behaves)
04:13:50 <pa_2718> *slaps head* Working now. Sorry I just never clicked save thinking something wasn't working right as I'm more used to Firefox
04:14:31 <OliverK> no problem
04:15:26 <pa_2718> THanks :)
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15:05:06 * Guest17270 Love google chrome portable and would like to report a recurring anomaly...
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15:17:39 <dboki89> pa_4186: Do you need any help?
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15:21:01 <dboki89> I didn't realize my question would scare him/her away :P
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19:39:26 <SteveLamerton> Hello all
19:45:05 <gluxon> Hi Steve :)
19:45:47 <SteveLamerton> Hi gluxon
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20:48:17 <pa_5439> JohnTHaller: So hows the release going?
20:48:36 <JohnTHaller> Slowly but surely. Public results will be visible soon.
20:49:29 <pa_5439> hopefully :P you end up delaying it alot, guess you have your reasons. you want 2.0 to be as perfect as possible :P
20:50:04 <JohnTHaller> only part of it is me. part of it is work on the pa.c launcher (since that's a part of it). part of it is working with vendors and publishers behind the scenes
20:51:04 <pa_5439> so it's everything togther
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20:51:51 <pa_5439> hopefully a proper and active release team will also surface so stuff will start moving out of the beta forums :P
20:52:04 <JohnTHaller> yeah, because all of it has to happen kinda together. 2.0 format/installer first, app updates, throwing 1.6.1 out there for peeps, 2.0 launcher, then 2.0 platform (with updater. themes. file assoc, etc) and the 2.0 website
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20:52:48 <pa_5439> Youre gonna kill the servers if you do everything at once XD
20:55:22 <pa_5439> Well good luck hopefully you will hit the "THIS WEEK!" you posted on the sites header (Without any date to know which week it was posted in lol)
20:56:10 <Gizmokid2005> pa_5439: http://twitter.com/PortableApps/status/14660927800 ;)
20:56:34 <pa_5439> hehe :P
20:59:17 <JohnTHaller> yeah, this week. I'm working on the last item in the pa.c installer now.
21:00:12 <JohnTHaller> already got it unicode, better updates to the menu, additional languages, few bugs fixed, better external visibility of the appid, working with IE when run from Temp in online, handling proxies of online installers, etc. Just finishing up the full-silent mode for use with the updater.
21:01:03 <pa_5439> :)
21:02:55 <pa_5439> I wonder if you managed to get file associations working for stuff like default browser (when you click on a link inside an app)
21:03:26 <JohnTHaller> I did indeed. It's gonna be in beta 6, not beta 5, though
21:04:00 <pa_5439> Neat :)
21:04:19 <JohnTHaller> beta 5 gets the updater and theme manager, as well as some smaller stuff like portable fonts and some app caching
21:05:40 <pa_5439> theme manager, managing installed custom themes and/or a catalog of new themes?
21:05:46 <JohnTHaller> both
21:06:17 <JohnTHaller> It comes with 2 themes with 15 colors each. As well as the ability to customize the color. And then we're working on probably 1 more bonus theme to include and probably a dozen or so downloadable to start
21:06:40 <pa_5439> Man, you put so much work into this :)
21:07:43 <gluxon> Please tell me you've worked on the most requested feature *whisper*categories*whisper* :P
21:09:26 <JohnTHaller> Yes. Categories are in Beta 6 with file associations. Categories the interface is done but the backend logic isn't quite there. File associations the logic is done, but the UI isn.t
21:14:19 <pa_5439> You know, its kinda sad that Eclipse doesn't seem to have a proper open source GUI designer
21:15:22 <sar3th> do you need it for java development?
21:15:51 <pa_5439> Mostly just for some small stuff for fun but yes for Java
21:16:03 <sar3th> give NetBeans a shot
21:16:41 <sar3th> the gui designer is excellent, same for the rest of the IDE :)
21:16:47 <pa_5439> Tried it once, it was nice but I had two issues
21:16:49 <sar3th> http://www.netbeans.org
21:16:53 <sar3th> which ones?
21:17:38 <pa_5439> The GUI Designer has a dependency on an extra file (.form), for my small stuff its ok though
21:17:51 <pa_5439> and an issue I have with almost all Java apps with small fonts
21:18:21 <pa_5439> The text editor default font on my PC's are super small -.-"
21:20:05 <sar3th> you can increase that size
21:20:27 <pa_5439> I'll check the settings then :P
21:21:13 <sar3th> look for fonts and colors->Font
21:21:25 <sar3th> default is "Inherited" but you can change that :)
21:22:05 <pa_5439> Lets try the same font used in Eclipse :P
21:22:12 <pa_5439> Well seems to work
21:23:39 <pa_5439> I gtg now so thx all and cya
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21:29:50 <gluxon> :P
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22:03:40 <Gizmokid2005> Pyromaniac: please see the topic.
22:04:00 <Pyromaniac> ah
22:04:09 <Gizmokid2005> Welcome to the PortableApps.com support channel. If you need assistance, just say "help!", or ask your question, and WAIT rather than just leaving. | Please don't PM without asking first | This channel is logged: http://nascent-project.org/irc/logs | The #PortableApps IRC rules are here: http://gizmokid2005.com/paircrules Read and abide by them
22:04:21 <Pyromaniac> help!
22:04:21 <GizmoBot> Pyromaniac: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
22:04:47 <Pyromaniac> ok, somebody tell me what is wrong with this please
22:04:50 <Pyromaniac> http://pastestuff.com/EK2X/
22:05:10 <Pyromaniac> I want the launcher to sync data to the host
22:05:45 <Pyromaniac> and for some reason, I was testing it and its removing the settings from the host
22:06:15 <Pyromaniac> I don't know why this is happenning and I kept trying different things but nothing is working
22:07:11 <JohnTHaller> HKU\S-1-5-21-3825228898-995690780-1513017234-1005_ will fail on all other machines. Use HKCU instead.
22:07:13 <Pyromaniac> From NoProgramEXE to AbortLauncher was the stuff I added
22:07:28 <Pyromaniac> ok
22:08:13 <Pyromaniac> but on my machine, will this work?
22:08:27 <sar3th> yes
22:08:27 <Pyromaniac> if I do HKCU
22:08:29 <Pyromaniac> ok
22:08:57 <sar3th> HKCU on your machine will point to HKU\S-1-5-21-3825228898-995690780-1513017234-1005_ on your machine :)
22:09:33 <Pyromaniac> I see...
22:10:39 <Pyromaniac> ok, I replaced them all now
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22:16:29 <Pyromaniac> Is Op an Operator?
22:21:01 <Pyromaniac> does my previous help! still apply?
22:21:04 <Pyromaniac> help!
22:21:04 <GizmoBot> Pyromaniac: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
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22:35:43 <pa_3385> hey everyone
22:35:50 <pa_3385> is there anyobody alive?
22:36:16 <pa_3385> I've got a really small request, or maybe it's even possible now, than it's just a question "how?"
22:36:56 <pa_3385> can I somehow run simulatenously 2 portable different versions of Firefox (3.6 and 3.7)?
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22:39:48 <Pyromaniac> yes
22:40:02 <Pyromaniac> you can't
22:40:22 <Pyromaniac> because the files will overwrite eachother
22:40:48 <Pyromaniac> hey chris: Help!
22:40:56 <Pyromaniac> can I PM you?
22:43:55 <ChrisMorgan> Apparently so :P
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22:59:11 <pa_3385> pyro
22:59:15 <pa_3385> you were wrong
22:59:20 <pa_3385> I actually did it
22:59:32 <pa_3385> I have now 2 different versions of Firefox running
22:59:39 <pa_3385> at the same time
22:59:42 <pa_3385> 3.6 and 3.7
23:00:27 <ChrisMorgan> pa_3385: running them simultaneously will just make the second launch another instance of the first.
23:00:44 <pa_3385> all I needed to do - is to change in firefoxportable.ini "allowmultipleinstances" to true
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23:00:52 <pa_3385> Chris, r u sure?
23:00:56 <pa_3385> I don't experience that
23:01:12 <ChrisMorgan> It's part of the design of Firefox.
23:01:56 <pa_3385> I mean I have 2 different folders
23:02:04 <pa_3385> files are not being overwritten
23:02:33 <ChrisMorgan> Still, if you launch 3.6 first, when you run 3.7 it'll just open another copy of 3.6.
23:02:45 <pa_3385> all the strange I have is that process firefoxportable.exe is not running anymore, though I think it should
23:03:01 <pa_3385> wait
23:03:06 <pa_3385> again pls
23:03:26 <pa_3385> 1. launch 3.7 2. launch 3.6 3. launch 3.6 - u mean?
23:04:12 <pa_3385> I had 3.7 running all that time and I actually managed to run 3.6 then
23:04:16 <pa_3385> and 3.7 is still alive
23:04:22 <ChrisMorgan> When you set AllowMultipleInstances=true FirefoxPortable.exe doesn't wait. That's how it works.
23:04:32 <pa_3385> wait for what?
23:04:39 <ChrisMorgan> firefox.exe
23:04:41 <ChrisMorgan> It just closes.
23:04:51 <pa_3385> is it bad?
23:05:12 <pa_3385> you mean I will have loss of data when I will close every firefox?
23:05:16 <ChrisMorgan> AllowMultipleInstances is a legacy feature of Firefox Portable. It's not supported and you're recommended not to use it. It will be removed in a fairly soon release.
23:05:22 <FireFox> oh my god.
23:05:36 <pa_3385> why it will be removed?
23:05:38 <ChrisMorgan> You shouldn't lose any data, but it won't clean up the Crash Reports folder on the local computer.
23:05:58 <pa_3385> do I care about crash reports?
23:06:04 <ChrisMorgan> Probably not.
23:06:16 <pa_3385> if everything else works fine - I don't care about crash reports, seriously
23:06:26 <pa_3385> I don't even see any crashes
23:06:46 <pa_3385> btw, thx for info, you helped
23:07:03 <ChrisMorgan> Because there's no real use for it. All it does is make it so that if firefox.exe is running when you run FirefoxPortable.exe, it'll run its own firefox.exe, which will hand it over to the already-running firefox.exe, rather than saying "already running, close the local version first".
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23:08:04 <pa_3385> but without it it would be impossible even to run 2 different versions at the same time, right?
23:08:43 <pa_3385> sorry, I really try hard to understand that
23:09:02 <pa_3385> will removal of that feature somehow affect me?
23:09:10 <ChrisMorgan> It's a limitation of Firefox itself that you cannot run more than one version at a time.
23:09:48 <pa_3385> yes, and portableapps soft allows us to brake this limitation
23:09:54 <pa_3385> that's why we like portableapps
23:10:14 <pa_3385> + the soft is really portable
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23:11:21 <pa_3385> btw, is it hard to make microsoft office be portable?
23:11:35 <pa_2585> Hello can someone help me please?
23:12:08 <pa_2585> I need help with something
23:12:34 <pa_2585> a
23:12:50 <dboki89> pa_2585: just ask your question :)
23:13:13 <pa_3385> btw, is it hard to make microsoft office be portable?
23:13:27 <pa_3385> can anyone please also answer my question above?
23:13:35 <dboki89> pa_3385: yes, it's very hard to make M$ Office Portable, as well as it would be in violation of it's EULA (it would be ILLEGAL)
23:13:43 <pa_2585> I downloaded portable apps as a recommendation from my friend and he showed me how everytime that he takes his flashdrive somewhere and opens portableapps, he can make his desktop as whatever picture it is
23:13:48 <pa_2585> How do I do that?
23:14:16 <pa_3385> some kind of soft?
23:14:17 <ChrisMorgan> pa_3385: Firefox Portable in no way changes the limitation of Firefox about running more than one version concurrently.
23:14:40 <ChrisMorgan> pa_2585: just wait...
23:14:45 <dboki89> pa_3385: read this --> http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#wallpaperswapper
23:14:56 <dboki89> sorry, that was meant for pa_2585
23:15:01 <pa_3385> ChrisMorgan: you mean it is impossible to run 2 different copies of firefox if they are from different folders?
23:15:04 <ChrisMorgan> pa_2585: http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#wallpaperswapper
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23:15:21 <ChrisMorgan> dboki89: arg, I see you got in first :P
23:15:23 <pa_2585> Do I save it as .bmp?
23:15:31 <ChrisMorgan> Yes
23:15:34 <pa_3385> if so, then you are wrong, I exactly now have 2 proccesses of firefox running. They both are working
23:15:47 <ChrisMorgan> pa_3385: and what versions do they report?
23:15:51 <dboki89> ChrisMorgan: :) Just trying to help (I see you got your hands full) :)
23:15:57 <pa_3385> 3.6 and 3.7 of course
23:16:03 <pa_3385> I checked this first
23:16:08 <pa_3385> they are really different
23:16:22 <pa_3385> and they are using different profiles, just as I supposed it to be
23:16:33 <ChrisMorgan> That would be very strange. Maybe then Mozilla has changed the age-old behaviour of it.
23:16:51 <dboki89> pa_3385: you've set "MultipleInstances=true"?
23:17:00 <pa_3385> yes
23:17:02 <ChrisMorgan> Or come to think of it, it'll be giving a different app ID, and so they won't clash. 3.6 will be called Firefox and 3.7 will be Minefield or whatever it is.
23:17:27 <pa_3385> man, you want a screenshot or what?
23:17:31 <pa_3385> I'm not liying
23:17:34 <pa_3385> just try it
23:17:47 <pa_3385> all you need is to move firefoxportable.ini from firefoxportable/app/source/ to fireffoxportable/
23:17:51 <ChrisMorgan> Two stable versions, such as 3.5 and 3.6, would clash. But when you've got a version with a different name, like 3.7 which is Minefield while in alpha, they will work together.
23:18:07 <dboki89> pa_3385: what seems to be the problem with your version(s) of FFP?
23:18:21 <dboki89> I don't get where the problem lies?
23:18:27 <pa_3385> no problems
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23:18:38 <pa_2585> It still doesn't work with the wallpaper...
23:18:43 <pa_3385> but Chris doesn't believe me I can run 3.6 and 3.8 at the same time
23:18:56 <pa_3385> test
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23:19:52 <Drugoy> @ChrisMorgan: well, maybe so, but the processes have the same name (firefox.exe), only icon differs
23:20:16 <ChrisMorgan> pa_2585: have you restarted the Platform?
23:20:45 <Drugoy> probably you are totally right with that, but I tried to run these 2 versions at the same time withot AllowMultipleInstances - and it returned me an error
23:20:51 <ChrisMorgan> Drugoy: the internal app ID is changed so the xulrunner platform sees them as different.
23:21:20 <Drugoy> ok, but why I could do it before changing the setting in the *.ini?
23:21:23 <ChrisMorgan> The launcher sees them both as firefox.exe, and thus the same, but they see their app IDs, which are different
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23:24:25 <dboki89> Hi Pyromaniac, long time no chat :)
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23:24:48 <Pyromaniac> yeah
23:25:20 <Pyromaniac> have you tried Trillian Astra Portable?
23:25:41 <dboki89> PM...
23:25:50 <Maccabi007> Hey can someone tell me how to save a specific picture as my portableapps desktop wall paper?
23:26:56 <Maccabi007> ?
23:27:45 <ChrisMorgan> Maccabi007: Paint is the simplest way.
23:27:56 <ChrisMorgan> 24-bit BMP
23:28:37 <Maccabi007> I don't understand haha
23:28:45 <Maccabi007> Can you walk me through it step by step? ;p;
23:28:46 <ChrisMorgan> Open the image in Paint.
23:28:58 <ChrisMorgan> Make sure it's what you're wanting.
23:29:52 <Maccabi007> Yes
23:29:56 <ChrisMorgan> File -> Save as, make sure the file type is set to "24-bit BMP" (it's something like that)
23:29:56 <Maccabi007> Opened it in paint
23:30:12 <ChrisMorgan> Make sure you're in the X:\Documents\Pictures directory
23:30:19 <Maccabi007> Did it
23:30:23 <ChrisMorgan> Then save as portableapps_wallpaper.bmp
23:30:45 <Maccabi007> Got it
23:30:47 <Maccabi007> what now?
23:31:14 <ChrisMorgan> Restart the PortableApps.com Platform
23:32:08 <Maccabi007> Got it man thanks a lot!
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23:41:17 <Drugoy> Chris, can you tell me how should we use multiple instances of firefox, when allowmultipleinstances will be removed?
23:41:29 <Drugoy> who and why at all wants to remove it?
23:42:08 <Drugoy> without it if I run 3.7 and want to run 3.6 too - fireofx shows me the error that another instance is already running and doesn't open 3.6
23:43:30 <Bensawsome> Drugoy im pretty sure allow multiple instances is only applicable if you run multiple PROFILES. Not multiple versions
23:43:32 <ChrisMorgan> Drugoy: It's behaviour unsupported by Mozilla themselves. It's merely incidental that it works with an alpha build.
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23:58:03 <Drugoy> well, thx for info, I'll keep it in mind, but as far as it works - I don't really care much