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00:33:26 <pa_7555> very quick question, how important is it that Portable Apps be installed in the root of the flash drive?
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00:34:35 <ChrisMorgan> It's a good idea to, but not absolutely necessary.
00:34:49 <pa_7555> thank you!
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03:20:34 <cM> is there a way in the menu to use directories (eg; x:portableapps\stuff here\program1\pro1.exe) ?
03:21:57 <cM> anyone, Gizmokid2005 you know?
03:22:56 <Bensawsome> you mean categories cM?
03:23:43 <cM> right like I can put all networking apps in a network folder and then drop down and click said app in that directory
03:24:03 <Bensawsome> not at the current time. but it will be done in the coming versions
03:24:25 <cM> kk cause I am using beta4 2.0 but still later right?
03:24:43 <Bensawsome> ya
03:25:01 <cM> ok thanks for the info....guess I will wait :)
03:25:09 <Bensawsome> no prob
03:25:45 <cM> do you know if that functionality will be in the full 2.0 version that is coming?
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10:09:04 <dboki89> ChrisMorgan: can I talk to you for a moment?
10:17:11 <dboki89> Anyway... :) I was reading you manual, and was wondering about the "keys and values to ignore";
10:18:16 <dboki89> what about the keys under HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\ShellNoRoam\BagMRU or HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\ShellNoRoam\Bags
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10:38:30 <ChrisMorgan> dboki89: they're in there (I think had them in the last release, but whether I did or not I do now)
10:40:13 <dboki89> I was reading on this page --> http://portableapps.chrismorgan.info/portableapps/launcher/docs/topics/registry/#topics-registry and have not seen them mentioned... That's why I asked :)
10:40:36 <ChrisMorgan> Ah. I don't think I've updated the only version since beta 4 or so.
10:41:31 <dboki89> oh, OK, np :) I was just curious was there a specific reason for them not being ignored, and that's why I brought it up :)
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17:46:22 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
18:05:53 <dboki89> ZachThibeau: Any news on PChat 1.0.4 Dev Test 4? Just an approximation, nothing too detailed... :)
18:08:36 <ZachThibeau> well I'm updating some new code I lifted from the latest xchat svn commit, mostly about xtext stuff, better logging etc, which should all push up to another version
18:10:33 <dboki89> that's great; I'm mostly concerned with Perl support and speel-check though (which I realize gives you some trouble...)
18:11:29 <ZachThibeau> the next version I'm thinking maybe enough to call it a 1.1.0 and perl I'm leaving that for Oliverk since he gave me the code for it, spell check is still a no go though :( still having major issues with that
18:13:13 <dboki89> I realized spell-check was giving problems, and don't get me wrong about it - I'm not asking you to implement ot for the next version :p I was just saying that those 2 things I care about mostly, but I like PChat the way it is just as much :)
18:13:28 <dboki89> s/ot/it
18:16:18 <dboki89> Are there any expectations about the launch of version 1.1 (a week, 2, probably longer?..)
18:16:57 <ZachThibeau> as long as it takes
18:17:12 <ZachThibeau> I'm taking my time as I want 1.1 to be an excellent release
18:17:31 <dboki89> OK :) Thanks for the info :)
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18:28:05 <pa_9776> Hi
18:28:16 <marlop> hi
18:28:28 <pa_9776> Does anyone know where I can find the licence terms for PortableApps?
18:29:15 <marlop> http://portableapps.com/about/copyrights_and_trademarks
18:30:07 <pa_9776> thank you
18:30:08 <pa_9776> excellent
18:30:35 <marlop> you are welcome
18:31:04 <pa_9776> looking at a multi-user install and I need to make sure we're ok as far as licensing goes
18:31:55 <pa_9776> thanks again
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20:36:18 <pa_9187> JohnTHaller: "the flood of new releases and new features is about to begin..." How soon is that? :P
20:36:32 <JohnTHaller> Well 1.6.1 was posted. And included all updated apps.
20:36:52 <JohnTHaller> And promptly outdated as Pidgin and AbiWord did releases the very next day.
20:37:27 <JohnTHaller> The individual app releases were waiting on PA.c Installer 2.0, which looks like it is done now. Just some final tests with the internal updater build.
20:37:45 <gluxon> JohnTHaller: So Pidgin 2.7.0 Portable is released? Just not posted about on RSS?
20:38:06 <pa_9187> You are really wanting it to be perfect aren't you ;P
20:38:08 <JohnTHaller> No, it was released in the Suite. The individual app releases are waiting on PAI2.0
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20:58:21 <DriveDude> Hi
20:58:35 <DriveDude> I wante to ask something
20:59:06 <gluxon> Sure, go ahead :)
20:59:14 <DriveDude> I am not here about *THIS WEEK* Thing
20:59:37 <gluxon> The this week of last week has now become the current week :P
20:59:46 <JohnTHaller> It meant the week starting when I posted it
20:59:54 <JohnTHaller> Sadly I didn't actually post a date. So, that was silly
21:00:09 <JohnTHaller> It was posted late Tues/early Wed last week
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21:03:37 <DriveDude> I was thinking will it be a feature on the Platform. To change the on the top on where is says PortableApps.com screenshot http://portableapps.com/files/images/homepage/portableapps_homepage_cr-13.png . So people can typ in something else. Maybe change the name to t.ex Dave's Drive or something
21:04:41 <JohnTHaller> Nope. You can change the picture, like in Windows. And you'll be able to theme it (see the current 2.0 beta thread). It'll actually come with around 30 themes/colors.
21:04:58 <DriveDude> I dont really care about the * THIS WEEK*
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21:05:50 <pa_9468> anybody there?
21:06:21 <pa_9468> help
21:06:36 <gluxon> What do you need help on? :)
21:07:00 <DriveDude> So that feature idea is to hard or just canit be made
21:07:06 <pa_9468> I have downloaded the portable applications suite, but it won't install - it gets an illegal operation
21:07:08 <DriveDude> can't
21:07:24 <gluxon> pa_9468: Could you post the exact error please?
21:07:40 <pa_9468> so far it won't copy to this computer
21:08:07 <gluxon> Where are you installing it to? Or are you not even able to open it up?
21:08:10 <JohnTHaller> DriveDude: There's really not much interest in it. And it's kinda odd to remove the name of the product. It'd be like removing the Firefox name from Mozilla Firefox. Forks and clones of it do it, but Firefox itself doesn't let you.
21:09:39 <DriveDude> What do you mean with see the current 2.0 beta thread. I dont understand
21:09:57 <gluxon> DriveDude: You can change it with a resource hack. I'll try to see if I can link to the thread.
21:10:06 <JohnTHaller> 2.0 is currently in beta. And themes are already in it for testing/.
21:10:20 <dboki89> pa_9468: ? can you provide some more info? What kind of error message are you getting (can you post it, please)? Have you checked the MD5 checksum of your download? What are you doing with it (you said "it won't copy to this computer", what exactly are you trying to copy and where?)
21:11:06 <gluxon> DriveDude: If you're really feeling energetic, download a new copy of the platform and try this.
21:11:07 <gluxon> http://portableapps.com/node/22652
21:11:08 <pa_9468> the NTVDM CPU has encountered an illegal instruction. cs:0df9 IP:02e4 OP:63 75 72 65 20 Choose 'Close' to terminate the application
21:11:47 <gluxon> pa_9468: Could you tell us where you downloaded it to?
21:11:59 <pa_9468> my download directory
21:12:20 <pa_9468> I also downloaded it to the flash drive and still didn't work
21:12:52 <DriveDude> Not really my thing. I do miss the PortableApps Ball.
21:13:06 <gluxon> Do you have a tool to check MD5 sums?
21:13:12 <pa_9468> no
21:13:44 <gluxon> Download and run this tool please --> http://www.nullriver.com/downloads/Install-winMd5Sum.exe
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21:15:50 <pa_9468> have downloaded winmd5sum and run and sums are different. where to from there?
21:16:20 <gluxon> If the sums are different, redownload the platform.
21:16:33 <pa_9468> already done, about a half dozen times
21:16:35 <gluxon> It probably got corrupt when you were downloading :(
21:16:47 <gluxon> pa_9468: Hm... 1.6.1 or 2.0 Beta?
21:16:55 <pa_9468> 1.6.1
21:17:11 <gluxon> Platform only, Light, or Full?
21:17:25 <pa_9468> full and light
21:17:36 <gluxon> Both don't work?
21:17:41 <pa_9468> correct
21:17:52 <pa_9468> I have tried under XP and windows 7
21:18:03 <gluxon> Did you try platform only?
21:18:08 <pa_9468> and run as administrator
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21:18:38 <gluxon> That isn't really needed.
21:18:51 <pa_9468> the point being, none of it worked
21:18:57 <dboki89> pa_9468: Are you maybe downloading over an online proxy-service? Downloads over proxies often result in broken files...
21:19:21 <pa_9468> I am using dsl through qwest
21:19:22 <gluxon> Light's working fine for me.
21:20:05 <dboki89> Is it a problem for you to try to download the Platform only version right now and check it's MD5?
21:20:27 <pa_9468> ok
21:20:31 <dboki89> The link would be http://downloads.sourceforge.net/portableapps/PortableApps.com_Platform_Setup_1.6.1.exe
21:20:55 <dboki89> and the MD5 checksum should result in 55846d3e60507b1577147db712361529
21:22:28 <pa_9468> I am unable to download the platform only. the others download ok.
21:22:41 <gluxon> What happens when you try?
21:22:56 <pa_9468> it gives me an explorer page that it cannot display
21:23:30 <pa_9468> I'll just have to try more later. Have to go.
21:23:31 <gluxon> From dboki89's link?
21:24:34 <pa_9468> I get a black page trying to download his link
21:25:03 <dboki89> and is there a prompt for you to save the file (program)
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21:25:31 <pa_9468> there is no prompt or anything... ?
21:25:45 <dboki89> Are you using Internet Explorer?
21:25:49 <pa_9468> yes
21:26:42 <gluxon> Try this link instead.
21:26:43 <gluxon> http://sourceforge.net/projects/portableapps/files/PortableApps.com%20Platform/PortableApps.com%20Platform%201.6.1/PortableApps.com_Platform_Setup_1.6.1.exe/download
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21:28:23 <DriveDude> Hi is it this feature * Rename Your PortableApps.com-Enabled Drive* almost the same thing that what I did ask before?
21:30:06 <pa_9468> I got the link to work and downloaded the platform only and INSTALLED it to the flash drive. But nothing really on the menu do I have to install each individual app??
21:31:34 <gluxon> pa_9468: Unfortunately, yes :(
21:31:39 <dboki89> yes, you need to either download all the apps individually, or to try to download the Suite and hope the download doesn't get broken for you again
21:32:10 <pa_9468> I'll try it later. thanks so much for your help - at least I got something that works. THANKS
21:32:19 <DriveDude> I am gonna go now. have a nice day or night
21:32:22 <dboki89> pa_9468: you're welcome
21:32:31 <pa_9468> AGAIN thank you very much
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21:57:34 <Pyromaniac> does anyone know the path to the regkey that stores the icon positions?
21:58:20 <Pyromaniac> *on the desktop?
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22:00:36 <gluxon|gone> Pyromaniac: No, no one does :(
22:01:06 <gluxon|gone> It might not even be in the registry.
22:01:32 <Pyromaniac> I think I remember someone telling me it was there, though
22:02:57 <gluxon|gone> Windows saves and restores icon positions on shutdown and boot up
22:03:05 <gluxon|gone> So we can't see where it's saving to :(
22:03:12 <gluxon|gone> With a tool like regshot.
22:07:59 <Pyromaniac> ah, but what if you fool the computer into thinking its shutting down? I don't know how, but if we could...
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22:22:39 <Pyromaniac> gluxon|gone: if something is stored in HKLM, do I treat it as HKCU?
22:27:43 <Pyromaniac> JohnTHaller: if something is stored in HKLM, can the launcher treat it as HKCU?
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22:48:22 <gluxon> Pyromaniac: No.
22:49:08 <gluxon> Just do a check whether or not it exists.
22:49:16 <Pyromaniac> but I thought HKLM wouldn't work without admin rights?
22:49:20 <gluxon> Yeah.
22:49:41 <gluxon> That's why you do the check, to make sure it does exists. :)
22:49:51 <Pyromaniac> ok, just making sure...
22:49:58 <gluxon> ${registry:KeyExists} or something.
22:50:03 <Pyromaniac> yep
22:50:29 <Pyromaniac> I just wasnt sure (I though JohnTHaller told me that it wouldn't work?)
22:51:43 <Pyromaniac> gluxon: you think I can make KDE portable?
22:51:51 <Pyromaniac> *KDE for Windows
22:52:00 <gluxon> Never looked at it :(
22:52:19 <gluxon> I didn't even know KDE could go on Windows.
22:52:43 <Pyromaniac> take a look! windows.kde.com
22:53:12 <Pyromaniac> I was hoping you'd say "no" because then I'd say "challenge accepted"
22:54:34 <Pyromaniac> [by the way] Possum died after (1) Geoshell didn't work and (2) I don't know how to restore icon positions on the desktop :(
22:55:19 <gluxon> no :P
22:55:35 <gluxon> You'd never be able to do something like that! :P
22:55:41 <gluxon> (JK) :D
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22:56:21 <Pyromaniac> I already have an idea what to do too
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22:57:17 <Pyromaniac> I just want to put most of the finishing touches on Trillian Astra Portable and pray to my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ that Cerulean Studios gives me permission to redistribute Trillian Astra
22:57:33 <Pyromaniac> and then I'm gonna start KDE Portable
22:57:38 <gluxon> :P
22:58:12 <Pyromaniac> I already have it installed too
22:58:40 <Pyromaniac> and you know, if KDE is portable, that means that the hundreds of apps that run in it will also be portable :P
22:58:53 <ChrisMorgan> Pyromaniac: don't try KDE
22:59:00 <Pyromaniac> that means that I will portable-ize HUNDREDS of Apps!!!
22:59:13 <Pyromaniac> why do you say that?
22:59:15 <ChrisMorgan> It requires quite a bit of work on the installer to make it portable, and sar3th is (or has been) working on that.
22:59:40 <gluxon> Pyromaniac: Look into HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\Bags\1\Desktop\ for me please.
22:59:57 <ChrisMorgan> Other than that, it's very easy (and I worked out that part). Set KDE_HOME to the Data directory and then it's just cleaning up the standard Qt plugin cache etc. keys.
23:00:16 <Pyromaniac> the installer is the part that threw me off too
23:00:24 <Pyromaniac> ok gluxon... lets see
23:00:43 <ChrisMorgan> Bit it's the interface with the Platform which needs work. JohnTHaller reckoned we could do a plug-in to the Platform, providing full integration, to make it work.
23:00:46 <gluxon> that MIGHT be where our solution lies :)
23:02:07 <Pyromaniac> huh
23:02:22 <Pyromaniac> I have no idea what that is
23:02:59 <Pyromaniac> I counted 15 files
23:02:59 <gluxon> The registry Key I just posted?
23:03:06 <Pyromaniac> yes
23:03:10 <Pyromaniac> in the path
23:03:29 <Pyromaniac> not including default
23:04:02 <gluxon> Do you have something called ItemPos1440x900(1) or similar?
23:04:09 <Pyromaniac> so the whole folder [desktop] is what stores the positions? And if I were to remove it...
23:04:13 <Pyromaniac> let me check
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23:04:29 <Pyromaniac> kinda
23:04:35 <Pyromaniac> I have three
23:04:50 <gluxon> Should be ItemPos1024x768(1) or something for you.
23:04:53 <Pyromaniac> but with different {resolutions?)
23:04:58 <gluxon> ?
23:05:01 <Pyromaniac> yes
23:05:06 <gluxon> Sweet.
23:05:11 <gluxon> Okay, thanks.
23:05:15 <Pyromaniac> why?
23:05:38 <Pyromaniac> is that the desktop icon position regkey(s)?
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23:07:16 <gluxon> Pyromaniac: It might be.
23:07:30 <gluxon> I tried another desktop icon position restoration and saving.
23:07:36 <gluxon> That's the key it was modifiying.
23:07:51 <gluxon> If you delete ItemPos1440x900(1) it recreates itself.
23:08:31 <Pyromaniac> ah
23:08:40 <Pyromaniac> can you overwrite it?
23:08:46 <gluxon> O_O
23:08:51 <gluxon> YES!
23:08:52 <gluxon> :D
23:08:59 <gluxon> My desktop icons get screwed up! :D
23:09:05 <Pyromaniac> really?
23:09:08 <gluxon> YES! :D
23:09:18 <gluxon> It's a key in HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\Bags\1\Desktop
23:09:19 <gluxon> :D
23:09:47 <Pyromaniac> and your smiling...? Because you ruined your desktop?
23:09:51 <Pyromaniac> :P
23:10:02 <Pyromaniac> but that is good
23:10:14 <Pyromaniac> let me PM you...
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23:50:00 <dboki89> gluxon: I just read the logs; good job man :D You might have discovered something what caused projects like POD to fail :p
23:50:56 <gluxon> The icon positions?
23:51:02 <dboki89> yea
23:51:27 <dboki89> or at least the hint where to look for them