IRC Log from 2010-06-04

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01:12:08 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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01:57:31 <pa_1367> I'm looking for the new release of Portable Pidgin. Has it been released yet?
02:02:04 <ChrisMorgan> No
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02:06:36 <pa_1367> Why not?
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02:08:23 <Gizmokid2005> pa_1367: nobody /really/ knows
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02:08:45 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
02:10:00 <pa_1367> No worries. I'll wait patiantly :o)
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03:03:17 <cM> so whats going on?
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03:07:38 <OliverK> just chillin
03:08:11 <z3uS> finally
03:08:31 <OliverK> z3uS: connection trouble?
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03:23:54 <cM> well it is 1 1/2hr from midnight here @ cst and no changes. Guess I am going to bed, maybe tomorrow, who knows. Have a good one all
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03:38:20 <Gizmokid2005> Just an FYI for everyone, Songbird 1.7 was released about an hour ago, I'll work on getting it out tomorrow, barring any issues and time permitting.
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04:05:35 <Mir> Gizmokid2005: i love you
04:05:44 <Mir> in a non homosexual way
04:05:50 <Gizmokid2005> Mir: lol?
04:05:51 <Gizmokid2005> why
04:06:07 <Mir> [20:38] <Gizmokid2005> Just an FYI for everyone, Songbird 1.7 was released about an hour ago, I'll work on getting it out tomorrow, barring any issues and time permitting.
04:07:07 <Gizmokid2005> I know that...you're happy I'm updating?
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04:29:05 <pa_2672> Help!
04:29:28 * JohnTHaller is busy, can someone else please assist?
04:29:39 <pa_2672> I get Access Denied when posting to the forum.
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04:30:26 <pa_9134> jl
04:30:29 <ChrisMorgan> pa_2672: make sure you're still logged in
04:30:36 <pa_9134> hi
04:31:05 <OliverK> pardon my clone for a bit please
04:31:34 <OliverK> well, the pa_'s aren't my clones
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04:32:07 <pa_9134> ......
04:32:15 <McNinja> whois are such pains within miranda
04:32:18 <McNinja> xchat is better
04:32:29 <McNinja> pa_9134: what do you need?
04:32:51 <pa_9134> windows upgrade......
04:33:06 <pa_9134> is it okay to ask unrelated to portableapps?
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04:33:50 <McNinja> depends, we're kind open around here
04:33:59 <McNinja> just don't expect a response ;)
04:34:10 <pa_9134> ..........
04:35:18 <JohnTHaller> We don't do non-PA issues in this chat room.
04:35:40 <pa_9134> If your installing a new os, should you boot from the dvd or can you directly run the dvd in windows?
04:35:49 <pa_9134> .
04:36:02 <JohnTHaller> We don't do non-PA issues in this chat room. Please take it to #portableapps-ot or another IRC room
04:36:51 <Gizmokid2005> better late then never I see JohnTHaller?
04:36:58 <McNinja> /join #potrableapps-ot is what you need pa_9134
04:37:16 * JohnTHaller doesn't have the energy for jokes at his expense
04:40:55 <JohnTHaller> Sorry, just been a very long couple months
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05:31:14 <pa_4687> Hi, and thanks for all the great portable apps. Pls can we have a portable Chromium browser (rather than Google Chrome)?
05:31:45 <JohnTHaller> There are no stable releases of Chromium
05:32:57 <pa_4687> Ah I see. Thanks. Is it possible to download the same build of Chromium that matches the stable build of Google Chrome?
05:33:23 <JohnTHaller> They're versioned differently, so I don't know how to match them up offhand
05:34:30 <pa_4687> No worries. Thanks for your help and all the best with the new releases.
05:34:36 <JohnTHaller> You're welcome.
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05:35:05 <Horusofoz> Hey All
05:35:25 <JohnTHaller> hola
05:37:35 <Horusofoz> JohnTHaller: Congrats on getting the updates out. I like the new graphic in the installer.
05:39:44 <JohnTHaller> Thanks
05:39:47 <JohnTHaller> We worked hard on em
05:39:57 <ChrisMorgan> So I presume the new Installer and Format are just about to drop?
05:40:03 <JohnTHaller> Yup
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05:57:17 <OliverK> JohnTHaller: thanks for getting pnotes out.
05:57:18 <OliverK> night all
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06:06:13 <pa_5478> JTH here?
06:06:50 <JohnTHaller> what's up
06:07:00 <pa_5478> heya
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06:07:24 <BuddhaChu> did u see my last comment?
06:07:28 <JohnTHaller> I fixed it
06:07:52 <BuddhaChu> the RSS feed points to one place for Chrome Dev 6 and the news items point to something else
06:07:57 <BuddhaChu> oh sweet
06:08:32 <BuddhaChu> delete all my posts then when you get a chance...i hate messing up those announcements like that
06:08:39 <JohnTHaller> no worries
06:08:47 <BuddhaChu> thx JTH!
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06:38:34 <JohnTHaller> ok, format and installer are up
06:42:24 <Bensawsome> coooooooooooool
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06:52:12 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... five lines in InstallerWizard.nsi end with \n sans \r, so Vim recognises it as in the unix file format.
06:58:00 <dboki89> ChrisMorgan: I think John got the wrong MD5 checksum of the PA.c Installer; I'm getting 0a89751603f960e57ce515242c7f8f22 (after re-download), while it states bbd371c9abb51e36cf4d14131e31d035 on the page... Can you confirm/fix it for him :)
06:58:48 <ChrisMorgan> You're right.
06:58:59 <dboki89> :)
06:59:41 <ChrisMorgan> Fixed.
07:00:14 <dboki89> great
07:01:04 <Horusofoz> I wonder how much sleep John is going to get consider it's 2 am Houston, Texas time.
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07:03:40 <Gringoloco> SumatraPDFPortable doesn't want to run with foreign chrarcters in the path ;-)
07:05:48 <ChrisMorgan> Gringoloco: report it as a bug to the SumatraPDF team.
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07:07:05 <Gringoloco> ChrisMorgan: ---------------------------
07:07:05 <Gringoloco> NSIS Error
07:07:05 <Gringoloco> ---------------------------
07:07:05 <Gringoloco> Error launching installer
07:07:07 <Gringoloco> ---------------------------
07:07:11 <Gringoloco> OK
07:07:13 <Gringoloco> ---------------------------
07:07:24 <Gringoloco> Don't think it's a Sumatra issue
07:07:24 <ChrisMorgan> Oh, you mean the installer?
07:08:12 <Gringoloco> Installer does do it's job launcher doesn't,when I re-compile it is working fine
07:09:26 <Gringoloco> Probably JohnTHaller hasn't used NSISu for the launchers yet ?
07:11:49 <ChrisMorgan> No, they're still the normal launchers.
07:13:58 <Gringoloco> Does make me wonder why all these utf16 'Other\Source\Launguages' files are included, though?
07:14:28 <Gringoloco> Nevermind...
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08:02:46 <Gringoloco> ChrisMorgan: somehow the installer can't deal with foreign chars in path if it's online installer !
08:02:58 <ChrisMorgan> Is it still using nsisunz?
08:04:07 <Gringoloco> It shouldn't, but not intirely sure.
08:04:11 <Gringoloco> Extract: 7z.exe
08:04:12 <Gringoloco> Extract: 7z.dll
08:04:12 <Gringoloco> Output folder: H:\ЗortableApps\UnicodeNSISPortable
08:04:12 <Gringoloco> Create folder: H:\ЗortableApps\UnicodeNSISPortable\App\NSIS
08:04:12 <Gringoloco> ERROR: (nsis-2.46-Unicode-setup.exe > App\NSIS)
08:05:37 <Gringoloco> Doing the same thing when using PA.cInstallerU. Why didn't I realize this before ? Will investigate this over the weekend
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08:31:43 <Gringoloco> ChrisMorgan: 7z.exe just doesn't seem to like these paths. It gives a return value of 2=Fatal error
08:52:21 <ChrisMorgan> Interesting.
08:54:09 <Gringoloco> Ok, I really need to do more ivestigation. 7z.exe does work with these paths if run from the command line. But not if run through ExecDos or nsExec ?
09:08:11 <ChrisMorgan> That sounds like a bug in the string handling of the plug-in.
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09:16:53 <Gringoloco> ChrisMorgan: Will find out over the weekend, sorry have to go now
09:17:00 <ChrisMorgan> Bye.
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10:58:30 <ChrisMorgan> Fascinating. I expected quite a mixed attitude to the new installer etc. graphics when I first saw them but so far it's been all very positive...
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11:06:48 <pa_5702> hello
11:07:30 <pa_5702> i installed some apps into portable app but unable find them on the menu
11:07:46 <pa_5702> please help
11:09:28 <ChrisMorgan> pa_5702: have you refreshed the menu?
11:09:29 <pa_5702> hi Mir
11:09:43 <pa_5702> yes I did
11:12:01 <pa_5702> I restarted the drive by unplugging and plugging it again
11:12:30 <pa_5702> I am still unable to see all the apps installed
11:16:04 <pa_5702> did anybody have the same problem?
11:16:46 <pa_5702> Could somebody kindly help me if possible?
11:17:13 <ChrisMorgan> Then you must have installed to a different location.
11:19:20 <pa_5702> I installed by clicking - Options- Install a new app. I did not have option to select a location to be installed.
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11:30:39 <ChrisMorgan> What is the app you installed?
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11:52:00 <Horusofoz> Hey ChrisMorgan , is there an offline version of the PAF spec @http://portableapps.com/development/portableapps.com_format
11:52:51 <ChrisMorgan> Horusofoz: not 2.0, but I did convert 1.0 to RST (making it look better) in the PAL manual.
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11:56:21 <Horusofoz> Where is the PAL manual?
11:58:09 <ChrisMorgan> If you've downloaded PAL, you'd be looking for App\Manual\ref\paf\index.html
11:58:15 <Horusofoz> ChrisMorgan: I've decided to see if I can use the new launcher/installer to port some stuff for the site. First step is collecting and reading all the documentation. Can you direct me to what meterials you would recommend someone jsut starting out have a look at?
11:59:25 <ChrisMorgan> I think you've got a pretty broad understanding of what's needed for portability, what registry keys and files you can ignore, etc. It's a bit hard recommending anything... there's the PAF spec and the PAL manual, and that's about it currently.
12:01:29 <Horusofoz> Ok downloaded and starting to look at the manual now
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14:04:52 <Darkbee> is Pidgin 2.7.1 working ok for everyone?
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14:10:05 <Gizmokid2005> Darkbee: what's your problem?
14:11:32 <Darkbee> where's there a loaded question :)
14:11:32 <Darkbee> where=well
14:11:32 <Gizmokid2005> lol
14:11:32 <Gizmokid2005> (referring to your pidgin question)
14:11:32 <Gizmokid2005> I'm no psychiatrist
14:11:32 <Gizmokid2005> :P
14:11:32 <Darkbee> The processes pidgin-portable.exe and pidginportable.exe just hang
14:11:32 <Gizmokid2005> it's working like a charm for me
14:11:32 <Darkbee> I'm assuming that something is blocking them.
14:11:32 <Darkbee> but 2.6.6 works fine
14:11:34 <Darkbee> I've tried both upgrade and clean install and neither works
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14:11:42 <Darkbee> MD5 matches
14:11:51 <Gizmokid2005> it works here
14:11:56 <Gizmokid2005> I updated and am running it now
14:12:05 <Gizmokid2005> with old profile from 2.6.6
14:12:07 <Darkbee> Ok... so it must be something to do with my computer. Maybe I'll try at home.
14:15:09 <Darkbee> things like this irritate me... I need to know WHY!!! :)
14:15:16 <Gizmokid2005> you're telling me
14:15:25 <Gizmokid2005> I'm working on upgrading Songbird and I can't get it to run...so yeah...I hear ya
14:15:29 <Darkbee> I NEED answers!!!! WHY, d*mn you!!!
14:16:03 <Darkbee> I can't even think of a reasonably explanation.
14:16:21 <Darkbee> *reasonable
14:16:23 <Gizmokid2005> try renaming your Data folder
14:16:25 <Gizmokid2005> and then try it
14:16:31 <Gizmokid2005> that'll at least rule out your data
14:16:38 <Darkbee> but I've tried a clean install, I get the same result
14:16:49 <Gizmokid2005> unless you installed to a new folder
14:16:52 <Gizmokid2005> all your data remains intact
14:17:04 <Darkbee> I did, I installed to a completely different folder
14:17:15 <Gizmokid2005> then its the local machine for sure
14:17:36 <Darkbee> I personally have my suspicions about F-Secure, I hate that peice of junk
14:17:43 <Gizmokid2005> I don't use it.
14:17:55 <Darkbee> I wouldn't but I'm obliged to (at work)
14:18:25 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, hate when that happens...
14:19:45 <Darkbee> Either that or Spybot's TeaTimer, that's the other possibility. Maybe I'll try disabling both those and see what happens.
14:20:06 <Darkbee> It's just a pain to have to keep rebooting my machine :-/
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14:21:46 <Simeon> hi
14:22:05 <Darkbee> hello
14:22:17 <Simeon> just checking my new pidgin portable :)
14:22:53 <Darkbee> sure, rub my face in it! :'(
14:23:22 <Darkbee> ok, I've installed a clean version to a completely different drive... let's see what happens...
14:23:51 <Simeon> i thought it could be the aspell but if a clean install gives prolems, its most likely the PC
14:24:47 <Simeon> just replied to your post
14:24:56 <Simeon> gotta go - bye!
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14:26:10 <Darkbee> as I suspected.... just ran a clean install from my flash drive, but disabled F-Secure and it worked no problem (asked me to create a new account)
14:26:24 <Darkbee> as soon as I enabled F-Secure and tried to run it.. the program hangs
14:26:34 <Darkbee> CURSE F-SECURE!! it's a steaming pile of donkey dung!
14:26:43 <Bensawsome> lol
14:26:49 <Bensawsome> as are many anti virus programs
14:30:09 <Darkbee> now I'm wondering what the issue is... I'm guessing F-Secure is blocking network traffic. :S
14:31:08 <Darkbee> AWESOME! As soon as I turn F-Secure off, Pidgin magically starts.. :| fantastico! :|
14:31:37 <Bensawsome> Darkbee if it doesnt even start it isnt the network trafficx
14:31:47 <Bensawsome> its something about pidgin's binaries it doesnt like
14:32:01 <Bensawsome> see if f-secure has a way to whitelist programs
14:32:06 <Bensawsome> maybe that will help
14:32:22 <Bensawsome> now i am off to pikcup my laptop from the repair shop ^_^
14:32:23 <Darkbee> Yeah but the odd thing is, if I check the whitelist... there is Pidgin... plain as day under the "allow"
14:32:45 <Darkbee> it makes no sense... so F-Secure is just telling me lies?
14:32:58 <Bensawsome> i dunno. sry i cant help more
14:33:04 <Darkbee> "Sure, I'm allowing this program! (but secretly I'm not... muwahahaha)"
14:33:07 * Bensawsome has no anti virus
14:33:09 <Bensawsome> lol
14:33:24 <Bensawsome> common sense is my anti virus
14:33:27 <Darkbee> I say again... CURSE YOU F-SECURE!! *shakes fist*
14:33:39 <Bensawsome> but ya cya and good luck
14:33:46 <Darkbee> well I wouldn't run it but I'm obligated to because it's a work computer
14:33:50 <Darkbee> seeya, thanks tfor the help.
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15:17:44 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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16:00:00 <Horusofoz> night all
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19:22:42 <Pyromaniac> I tried to compile with the 2.0 installer... I got this error message:
19:22:53 <Pyromaniac> Error: Function named ".onUserAbort" already exists.
19:23:09 <Pyromaniac> Error in script "C:\Documents and Settings\Hisayo Suzuki\Desktop\TrillianAstraPortable\Other\Source\PortableApps.comInstaller.nsi" on line 1784 -- aborting creation process
19:23:29 <Pyromaniac> ???
19:23:53 <Pyromaniac> anybody know why this happend and/or how to fix this?
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19:33:30 <Pyromaniac> Oni-Neoxes: I tried to compile with the 2.0 installer... I got this error message:
19:33:42 <Pyromaniac> Oni-Neoxes: Error: Function named ".onUserAbort" already exists.
19:34:02 <Pyromaniac> I don't know if you know why, but I'm asking anyone with fingers and a brain
19:34:17 <Pyromaniac> :P
19:35:42 <Oni-Neoxes> I really don't do nsis coding but I might know a few people that do
19:35:51 <Oni-Neoxes> if Zachthibeau was here >_>
19:36:36 <Pyromaniac> I wish somebody could help!
19:36:41 <Pyromaniac> :P
19:39:33 <Oni-Neoxes> by the sounds of it. the .onUserAbort already exists :p
19:40:11 <Pyromaniac> yeah, but I'm using the PortableApps.com Installer 2.0
19:40:20 <Oni-Neoxes> i see.
19:40:20 <Pyromaniac> not NSIS, so I don't know how to edit it
19:40:42 <Oni-Neoxes> alrigh.
19:40:47 <Oni-Neoxes> alright*
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19:41:54 <Oni-Neoxes> Hello JohnTHaller. Just the person I like to see
19:41:59 <JohnTHaller> what's up
19:42:13 <Oni-Neoxes> Pyromaniac seems to have a problem with the PortableApps.com Installer 2.0
19:42:19 <Oni-Neoxes> <Pyromaniac> Oni-Neoxes: I tried to compile with the 2.0 installer... I got this error message:
19:42:19 <Oni-Neoxes> <Pyromaniac> Oni-Neoxes: Error: Function named ".onUserAbort" already exists.
19:42:42 <Pyromaniac> hey john
19:42:57 <Pyromaniac> *what Oni-Neoxes said
19:43:02 <JohnTHaller> He trying to have something install from the local PC by reading its location from the registry eh?
19:43:20 <Pyromaniac> I am?
19:43:33 <Pyromaniac> I don't know how I did that :P
19:43:48 <JohnTHaller> Or trying to copy files from the local PC. That's the only case when that code would come into play. (ie an unofficial installer)
19:44:02 <Pyromaniac> yes
19:44:30 * Pyromaniac likes the new installer
19:44:50 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, as soon as you mentioned that, I realized that that code change was untested. Guess it doesn't work. It wasn't caught in testing since we don't use that technique nor support it for official releases (and my testing was with released apps)
19:45:04 * Pyromaniac just wishes it would be nicer to him
19:45:04 <JohnTHaller> Do me a favor and send me your installer.ini. You can pastebin.com it.
19:45:05 <Pyromaniac> ah ok
19:45:10 <Pyromaniac> ok
19:45:33 <JohnTHaller> I'm pushing out a 2.0.1 release shortly to fix the languages left behind issue and update a couple translations, so I can fix it then.
19:46:04 <Pyromaniac> http://pastebin.com/Z2XXZaDu
19:46:54 <hinojosa> JohnTHaller: Hello, its Daniel from SF.net - can you let me know when you have a minute to catch up please?
19:47:00 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: Songbird released 1.7.x last night, and I'm working on getting it updated...but I think it'll be a while before I get it...I'm getting a crash on startup currently and I have to track that down. I'll email it to dev_dev@pa.c when I have it.
19:47:47 <JohnTHaller> Pyromaniac: Post in the forums, I'll look into it.
19:47:51 <Oni-Neoxes> So much people at once. also. Woo Gizmokid2005!
19:47:51 <Pyromaniac> ok
19:48:01 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: Ok
19:48:01 <Pyromaniac> should I put it into a zip?
19:48:26 <JohnTHaller> hinojosa: Want to give me a ring now?
19:48:31 <Oni-Neoxes> Pyromaniac, just post what you posted in the pastebin link
19:48:34 <hinojosa> JohnTHaller: sure
19:48:38 <hinojosa> pm me your #?
19:55:13 <Pyromaniac> JohnTHaller: I think I pinpointed the problem: you can't copy local files if you have DownloadFiles filled in
19:55:33 <Pyromaniac> I commented it out and the installer compiled it
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20:01:10 <gluxon> JohnTHaller: Just curious, do you mean on redoing the logo on the site so it matches to the installer and new splash screen?
20:01:27 <Oni-Neoxes> I LOVE the new splash screens!
20:01:47 <Gizmokid2005> Oohhh, speaking of that, JohnTHaller - when you get time I need you to update Songbird's splash too
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20:03:04 <MrGuff> question: any idea when the Chrome for Portable Apps will be updated to the altest version?
20:04:06 <gluxon> MrGuff: Wasn't it done just yesterday?
20:04:16 <gluxon> http://portableapps.com/news/2010-06-03_-_google_chrome_portable_5.0.375.55
20:05:47 <MrGuff> haha
20:05:48 <MrGuff> true
20:06:02 <MrGuff> sorry
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20:35:23 <JohnTHaller> gluxon: Yes, we're gonna be redoing the site with the 2.0 launch
20:35:43 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: Don't worry about the updated splas, I'll update it when I do the release and recompile.
20:36:23 <Gizmokid2005> now now JohnTHaller, don't be greedy :P I'll need it eventually, I'm still working on it though...I think they've added some more system dependencies (registry/etc) that need to be there before it'll launch so...
20:37:14 <Pyromaniac> hey JohnTHaller: what does this error mean: Error in macro registry::KeyExists on macroline 2
20:39:49 <JohnTHaller> why would you be downloading files and reading them locally?
20:40:23 <Pyromaniac> the downloading part didnt work
20:40:34 <Pyromaniac> it doesn't extract
20:40:46 <Pyromaniac> *correctly
20:40:51 <JohnTHaller> Right, so why is it still in your installer.ini?
20:41:04 <Pyromaniac> you got me there :P
20:41:11 <Pyromaniac> I'm not sure why
20:41:34 <Pyromaniac> but I guess its not a bug then...
20:42:03 <JohnTHaller> Well, it still needs to be checked in case someone does both for some reason.
20:42:17 <JohnTHaller> I think the download plugin adds its own .onUserAbort
20:42:25 <JohnTHaller> hence the already defined error
20:42:40 <Pyromaniac> that makes sense...
20:44:59 <JohnTHaller> Pyromaniac: What did you comment out to get it to compile?
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20:47:22 <Pyromaniac> downloadfiles
20:47:32 <Pyromaniac> JohnTHaller: DownloadFiles
20:47:45 <JohnTHaller> I removed it and still get the same error
20:47:50 <Pyromaniac> really?
20:47:55 <Pyromaniac> one sec
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20:49:32 <Pyromaniac> JohnTHaller: oops, i compiled the wrong copy! :P
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20:49:45 <Pyromaniac> I tried the one where I commented it
20:49:56 <Pyromaniac> and I got that error again
20:50:12 <JohnTHaller> Ok, so how did you get it working ?
20:51:06 <Pyromaniac> I got an old version working, the new one is not working
20:51:17 <Pyromaniac> the old version has DownloadFiles
20:51:28 <JohnTHaller> Ok, found it
20:51:28 <Pyromaniac> not copylocal
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20:52:55 <JohnTHaller> system.nsh defines the function as well
20:53:30 <Pyromaniac> can you, redefine, per say
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21:07:06 <Pyromaniac> ok, sorry
21:07:07 <Pyromaniac> Error in macro registry::KeyExists on macroline 2
21:07:15 <JohnTHaller> what installer?
21:07:26 <Pyromaniac> its Unicode NSIS Portable
21:07:34 <Pyromaniac> compiling my launcher
21:07:41 <JohnTHaller> I cannot assist with that
21:08:07 <JohnTHaller> The launcher 2.0 isn't finalized yet. Post in the Launcher 2.0 test topic.
21:08:22 <JohnTHaller> And quick, because it is due to be finalized in the next couple days
21:08:47 <Pyromaniac> ah no, its not PAL, its my own code
21:08:54 <JohnTHaller> Why is your Unicode NSIS launcher doing antyhing with the registry anyway?
21:09:11 <Pyromaniac> oh no, its Trillian Astra Portable
21:09:26 <Pyromaniac> and there were some reg keys that it leaves behind
21:10:17 <Pyromaniac> (if you can find time in that busy schedule of yours) http://pastebin.org/307541
21:10:20 <JohnTHaller> So it's not a PAL bug, it's your own code
21:10:31 <Pyromaniac> yes but I don't know why
21:11:09 <Pyromaniac> It seems that it doesn't want to do the command ${registry::KeysExist}
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21:11:42 <Pyromaniac> I go down the code, commenting each and every one of them, and as long as one is there, it will give me the error
21:12:22 <JohnTHaller> what line # is the error in?
21:12:27 <vf2nsr> JohnTHaller: Would you suggest developers update their apps with new installer now or for them to wait till the new launcher is officially released ?
21:12:33 <Pyromaniac> 134
21:13:00 <Pyromaniac> um, well personally, I dislike PAL
21:13:01 <JohnTHaller> No reason atm. Most of the changes are related to Unicode and the updater.
21:13:54 <vf2nsr> ok tyvm
21:13:55 <Pyromaniac> But since you will release PAL, I think they can wait to release them
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21:14:23 <JohnTHaller> sounds like a bug in the registry plugin. did you replace it with the updated one?
21:14:39 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: I'm thinking it's actually a code issue, with his launcher
21:15:30 <JohnTHaller> Could be. I'm gonna be quite thankful for not having to mess with custom launcher code once PAL is done.
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21:29:57 <BeckySanderlin> Question: Spell Checking has seem to have changed for pidgin users; has the pidgin version updated with it as well. Reason I ask, Ive not seen my spell checker work with the 2.7.1 version, and i just now updated from a lower version.
21:30:25 <JohnTHaller> I don't use it offhand. Perhaps it requires a newer version
21:30:36 <BeckySanderlin> well.
21:30:44 <BeckySanderlin> ok, its changed then JohnTHaller
21:30:46 <BeckySanderlin> http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/Installing%20Pidgin#manual_win32_spellcheck_installation
21:30:56 <BeckySanderlin> since Gaim, it was using ASPELL
21:31:01 <BeckySanderlin> now, they use OOo
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21:31:11 <BeckySanderlin> w/ a new installation
21:31:13 <JohnTHaller> Ah, they're using ENCHANT. AbiWord does now, too
21:31:31 <BeckySanderlin> so, the 2.7.1 you have, doesnt have the proper path
21:31:55 <JohnTHaller> You'll need to install it to PidginPortable\App\pidgin\spellcheck\share\enchant\myspell yourself
21:31:56 <BeckySanderlin> and when i try to manually make one, pidgin still doesnt understand, or recognize it
21:32:18 <BeckySanderlin> so, im here :D
21:32:37 <JohnTHaller> Did you make that exact path and put em in there?
21:35:50 <BeckySanderlin> yes
21:35:54 <BeckySanderlin> just did it again now
21:35:58 <BeckySanderlin> and still nothing
21:36:42 <JohnTHaller> Hmm... hang on a second.
21:36:58 <BeckySanderlin> OHH wait..
21:37:04 <BeckySanderlin> well, not wait.. but.
21:37:21 <JohnTHaller> what?
21:37:24 * BeckySanderlin makes a correction
21:38:36 * BeckySanderlin reloads pidgin
21:39:54 <BeckySanderlin> ok JohnTHaller. you were right
21:39:59 <JohnTHaller> it works?
21:39:59 <BeckySanderlin> it works now w/ that exact path
21:40:03 <JohnTHaller> Ah, cool
21:41:01 <BeckySanderlin> ok thanks. i was lost w/o it
21:41:12 <JohnTHaller> You're welcome. Glad it's working
21:41:19 <Gizmokid2005> time to update the FAQ on it, huh JohnTHaller?
21:41:28 <Gizmokid2005> I didn't even notice it wasn't working...but I'm sure many will
21:41:40 <JohnTHaller> You'd be surprised how few people use it
21:41:43 <Gizmokid2005> I haven't even tried to get it working
21:43:08 <BeckySanderlin> well, ive used it since old Gaim, and its been a staple for me. So when it stopped working.. i got lost in sauce
21:43:21 <BeckySanderlin> anyways, thanks again peoples, John. Take care
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21:45:43 <JohnTHaller> http://portableapps.com/support/pidgin_portable#spellcheck
21:46:40 <Pyromaniac> Gringoloco: can I PM you?
21:47:50 <Gizmokid2005> much appreciated JohnTHaller :)
21:51:08 <Gringoloco> JohnTHaller: FYI, PAI is having an issue with online installing using foreign characters for the install path. I'm having a look into it ATM !
21:51:30 <JohnTHaller> Use AdvancedExtract instead of standard.
21:53:42 <Gringoloco> JohnTHaller: I am using that. I'm not axactly sure what the problem is but let you know asap !
21:54:16 <JohnTHaller> welll, inetc is downloading to TEMP, so it shouldn't be that.
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21:57:58 <JohnTHaller> Gringoloco: You noticing it with the Google Chrome installer?
21:59:10 <Gringoloco> No Unicode NSIS Portable! I'll check Google Chrome now ...
21:59:43 <Pyromaniac> I just got it I don't see nothing wrong
21:59:48 <Pyromaniac> (6.0 Dev)
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22:02:24 <BeckySanderlin> and... I'm back with a question. or.. more like a concern.
22:02:31 <JohnTHaller> what's up
22:03:05 <BeckySanderlin> now.. mind you.. i dont know what version i used before, prolly the beta. But i just now went and updated .. the.. ehhh.. /checks
22:03:22 <BeckySanderlin> PA.c Platform 1.6.1
22:03:45 <BeckySanderlin> before, it would show as an icon only, not as a window in taskbar
22:04:01 <BeckySanderlin> but now, it shows as a window, and when i try to hide it, it closes
22:04:16 <BeckySanderlin> is there a way to get it back to the old way for me?
22:04:41 <JohnTHaller> It does that automatically on Windows 7 because Win7 hides all systray icons by default (meaning the systray on Win7 is basically deprecated).
22:04:59 <JohnTHaller> You can disable it if you don't like it: http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#disablewin7taskbar
22:05:01 <BeckySanderlin> again, it didnt do that before the update
22:05:10 <JohnTHaller> It's a new feature
22:05:12 <JohnTHaller> By design
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22:10:18 <BeckySanderlin> works, thanks again. yall are wonderful
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22:11:09 <Pyromaniac> YES!!! Trillian Astra Portable Works!!!
22:11:19 <Pyromaniac> (sorry)
22:11:36 <Pyromaniac> JohnTHaller: turns out $RO should have been $R0
22:11:55 <Pyromaniac> yet another typo caught by Gringoloco
22:12:22 <Pyromaniac> 1.0 here we go!
22:12:54 <Gringoloco> They definitly look equal. :P
22:13:52 <Pyromaniac> everyone: Trillian Astra Portable 1.0 will be released in 5 minutes!
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22:21:26 <Pyromaniac> Trillian Astra Portable 1.0 has been released! http://portableapps.com/node/23653
22:27:03 <Pyromaniac> JohnTHaller: In your opinion which browser is better Chrome or Firefox?
22:27:28 <JohnTHaller> I use Firefox
22:28:14 <Pyromaniac> man, I love how you avoid the question :P
22:28:15 <Gringoloco> Soon, I will use Chrome for the first time, so I do not have an opion yet
22:28:41 <JohnTHaller> I prefer Firefox. Chrome is kinda slick and fast, but I don't like the OS-tired auto-updater or privacy issues.
22:28:52 <Pyromaniac> ah
22:28:52 <Gringoloco> if this ever wants to finish downloading...
22:28:53 <JohnTHaller> I don't want every letter of every URL I type in sent anywhere
22:29:53 <Pyromaniac> is bumptop open source?
22:30:01 <JohnTHaller> no
22:30:27 <Pyromaniac> *cough* well, somebody has been redistributing it *cough*
22:31:07 <JohnTHaller> The one on our site is a launcher only
22:31:17 <Pyromaniac> no, I just downloaded it
22:32:38 <Pyromaniac> but you didn't hear it from me... (I don't want to spoil his project)
22:35:24 <Gringoloco> JohnTHaller: Google Chrome Portable same error. I can't believe I didn't spot this problem before as PA.cInstallerU has the same issue
22:35:56 <JohnTHaller> Any idea where the issue is code-wise?
22:35:57 <Gringoloco> Anyway, for this moment it's not the end of the world as the launchers aren't compiled for unicode
22:36:15 <Gringoloco> one sec
22:36:58 <Pyromaniac> whats the problem?
22:37:51 <Pyromaniac> I downloaded, installed just fine, ran it just fine
22:38:07 <Pyromaniac> a mighty fine app if you ask me :P
22:38:51 <Gringoloco> JohnTHaller: The error is printed by line 1383, due to 7z.exe giving a return value of 2 = Fatal Error
22:39:50 <Gringoloco> I did do some investigating this morning, and ran 7z.exe from the commandline just fine for the same path
22:40:10 <Pyromaniac> how does that happen?
22:40:24 <Gringoloco> I'll find out what the problem is, I'll let you know asap !
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22:41:00 <Gringoloco> Pyromaniac: installing to a unicode path
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22:43:24 * Pyromaniac doesn't know what that is
22:44:07 <Gringoloco> foreign chars like: цзжщлб
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23:06:18 <Gringoloco> JohnTHaller: I found the exact problem. Should we discus this here or in -dev?
23:06:30 <JohnTHaller> here is fine
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23:07:30 <Gringoloco> 7z.exe can deal with unicode paths fine, but any command line doesn't seem to, neither does the command prompt...
23:08:28 <Gringoloco> What I done is, I changed '$INSTDIR\7zTemp\7z.exe' to '$PLUGINSDIR\7zTemp\7z.exe' and it was working fine
23:08:47 <Gringoloco> Can you follow me?
23:08:59 <JohnTHaller> So you have it extract 7z to there and then delete it whenm done?
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23:10:23 <Gringoloco> I think it deleted it self, but this way was just a quick try to find the problem
23:10:35 <JohnTHaller> Cool. I'll check it out
23:10:58 <JohnTHaller> Should be able to work that into 2.0.1
23:11:12 <Gringoloco> You do realize that any of the launchers can't deal with the unicode paths ATM
23:12:16 <Gringoloco> the newly released launchers I'm talking. They haven't been compiled with Unicode NSIS
23:12:19 <JohnTHaller> I do. We're gonna update them as we move along.
23:12:31 <JohnTHaller> Pidgin has been updated to Unicode
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23:13:38 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: you need o update the pidgin portable page
23:13:52 <Gizmokid2005> PidginPortable\spellcheck\share\enchant\myspell\ you forgot App\Pidgin\
23:15:02 <Gringoloco> JohnTHaller: Here is the part I did change to get UnicodeNSISPortable installed: http://pastebin.com/kTxYfib4
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23:16:19 <Gringoloco> But there are many additional parts to change to deal with the DoubleExtract etc.
23:16:46 <Gringoloco> hi ChrisMorgan , found the online installer bug
23:17:06 <ChrisMorgan> Good, what was it?
23:17:15 <Gringoloco> commandline can not deal with unicode characters
23:17:39 <ChrisMorgan> You mean the plug-in, or Windows itself?
23:17:58 <Gringoloco> Just running 7z.exe from the PLUGINSDIR seemed to fix my issue
23:18:11 <Gringoloco> Windows it self, XP at least
23:18:41 <ChrisMorgan> That shouldn't be the case at all... what would it do about executing C:\squiggle\foo.exe for Unicode values of squiggle?
23:19:22 <Gringoloco> Would it be possible people have unicode chars as there USERPROFILE name?
23:19:29 <ChrisMorgan> No idea.
23:19:53 <Gringoloco> I do not understand the above question?
23:20:31 <Gringoloco> unicode as in foreign characters
23:20:51 <ChrisMorgan> In Command Prompt, what happens if you run C:\squiggle\foo.exe where squiggle (or foo) are foreign characters?
23:21:08 <ChrisMorgan> Hey JohnTHaller, I've been doing a code review and I've got various small things I'd like to improve code-wise (so far no functionality changes), would you mind if I go and create a new repository for the installer now to work on?
23:21:13 <Gringoloco> I'm getting question marks
23:23:49 <Gringoloco> C:\цзжглб\foo.exe in command prompt is C:\??????\foo.exe
23:24:34 <ChrisMorgan> And if you try running it then? I can't remember whether they really /are/ question marks or just placeholder characters for display.
23:25:23 <ChrisMorgan> Command Prompt not supporting foreign characters is one thing, try the Run dialogue too. It should support them if the OS does (which it should). Or a batch file.
23:31:12 <Gringoloco> How do make a batch file wait before it closes. It just flashes at me?
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23:33:32 <Gizmokid2005> Gringoloco: ummm.....read?
23:33:37 <Gizmokid2005> pause
23:33:38 <Gizmokid2005> that's it
23:33:40 <Gizmokid2005> pause :D
23:33:47 <Gizmokid2005> (was thinking bash not dos)
23:33:50 <Gringoloco> thanx
23:35:28 <ChrisMorgan> Gizmokid2005: yay! All think bash :-)
23:35:48 <Gringoloco> Nah, still closes immidiatly, the same for Start>Run
23:37:00 <Gizmokid2005> ...weird
23:37:02 <Gizmokid2005> it shouldn't
23:37:04 <Gizmokid2005> add a ping in there
23:37:09 <Gizmokid2005> like
23:37:14 <Gizmokid2005> ping google.com
23:37:14 <Gringoloco> ChrisMorgan: One way or the other, 7z.exe can extract to foreign char paths, but I can't get it to run from a path like that
23:39:25 <ChrisMorgan> That is exceedingly strange.
23:39:47 <Gringoloco> ChrisMorgan: http://pastebin.com/2mJ8idgz
23:40:48 <ChrisMorgan> Fascinating.
23:41:08 <Gringoloco> Fascinating? It done my head in !
23:41:59 <Gringoloco> Do you believe me now?
23:42:38 <Gringoloco> Anyway, the installer is working if I run 7z.exe from PLUGINSDIR
23:43:06 <ChrisMorgan> Oh, I believe you, I just can't understand why it would be. That's why I consider it a fascinating issue.
23:43:10 <Gringoloco> and it doesn't if I run it from INSTDIR
23:44:25 <Gringoloco> Now we got to make that sure that people do not use USERPROFILE with foreign characters?
23:46:42 <Gringoloco> Maybe dboki89 can give us reliable info about that, or I could install windows on to a VM to give it a go
23:49:44 <Gringoloco> http://portableapps.com/user/1 has been a PA.c member for 40 years and 23 weeks ! lol
23:51:32 <ChrisMorgan> i.e. unix epoch, timestamp=0
23:52:01 <Gringoloco> ?
23:53:28 <ChrisMorgan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_time
23:53:47 <ChrisMorgan> 00:00:00 UTC on 1 January 1970
23:54:37 <ChrisMorgan> OK, I'm off now. We're off to an auction my eldest sister is interested in buying at.
23:55:47 <Gringoloco> ok bey
23:57:47 <Gringoloco> I should go to bed..
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