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02:58:40 <ZachThibeau> howdy joby_toss
02:58:58 <joby_toss> hello
02:59:34 <ZachThibeau> finally get to say hi to you live instead of seeing you on tpfc's forums :P
02:59:53 <joby_toss> :)
03:00:32 <ZachThibeau> time to get back to working on PChat 1.1 :D
03:06:36 <joby_toss> hey Zach, is there aliases support in PChat?
03:06:56 <joby_toss> I'm relatively new to this IRC stuff
03:07:28 <joby_toss> can't find this option in PChat
03:09:01 <ZachThibeau> aliases as in nickname related stuff?
03:09:24 <joby_toss> yea
03:09:59 <joby_toss> no...my mistake
03:10:06 <ZachThibeau> ok
03:10:14 <joby_toss> it's about defining a new command
03:11:22 <joby_toss> "An Alias is an alternate name for something. In the case of alias scripts, an Alias is a command name you create to run one or more commands. Its a bit like a macro in Word or similar."
03:11:40 <ZachThibeau> settings menu -> Advance -> and select User Commands
03:12:21 <joby_toss> found it! :)
03:12:25 <joby_toss> thanks
03:12:30 <ZachThibeau> np :)
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03:15:43 <ZachThibeau> oii I hate porting mmap functions to win32 standards :/
03:16:30 <ZachThibeau> seems the latest release of XChat code that I'm bringing over to PChat includes some mmap stuff that hasn't a win32 compatble equivelante atm
03:16:36 <joby_toss> something else
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03:17:27 <joby_toss> I see a slightly different directory structure in latest dev PChat version compared to the official 1.0.3
03:17:38 <ZachThibeau> well there is something of a mmap for windows but I would still have to change much of the functions to make it compile in windows
03:17:39 <joby_toss> what is the final one ?
03:18:44 <ZachThibeau> 1.1 will most likely be the final release once I get it done
03:19:29 <joby_toss> and will have the directory structure of v1.0.3 or v1.0.4 ?
03:20:14 <joby_toss> I mean
03:20:21 <joby_toss> App\Pchat
03:20:22 <joby_toss> or
03:20:32 <joby_toss> App\PChat\bin
03:20:43 <ZachThibeau> will be App/PChat/bin
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03:25:48 <ZachThibeau> anyways night all
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03:26:35 <jobytoss> by
03:26:51 <jobytoss> 6am here :)
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11:24:58 <ChrisMorgan> PortableApps.com Installer contains a regression which was fixed once before, which breaks with BPBible... not quoting a value which can potentially be more than one word.
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17:37:21 <Gizmokid2005> RELEASED: Songbird Portable 1.7.2 Pre-Release 1:http://portableapps.com/node/23750
17:37:45 <Gringoloco> Congratulations
17:38:52 <Gizmokid2005> They've made a lot of changes to it, so I just want to be safe.
17:39:15 <Gizmokid2005> I think there might be a few more files I have to do some path replacements on...but so far it seems to work great, even fixed up a bug from the last release.
17:39:40 <Gringoloco> path replacements ?
17:41:17 <Gringoloco> Are you talking about drive-letter replacements?
17:42:32 <Gizmokid2005> more than just drive letter, otherwise yes
17:42:58 <Gizmokid2005> I try to make the launchers as immune to path changes as I possibly can
17:43:17 <Gizmokid2005> Songbird is one of the most path-change-resistant apps ever
17:43:25 <Gizmokid2005> it does NOT like it's path to be changed
17:43:48 <Gringoloco> I don't think thats PA.c supported, and the above statement explains why it isn't
17:44:10 <Gringoloco> I would say do not bother about it
17:44:43 <Gizmokid2005> well, most apps are, by default, able to handle it
17:45:05 <Gizmokid2005> but Songbird added in some more files that seem to possibly require drive letter updates so
17:47:39 <Gringoloco> Everage users should/do not use the feature anyway. They just stick their drive in multiple PC's, and do not change the paths. Why would you want such a feature anyway
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17:48:20 <Gizmokid2005> I know Gringoloco. I Just make them as friendly as possible
17:48:29 <Gizmokid2005> I'm not a fan of blocking something "just because the majority won't use it"
17:48:39 <Gizmokid2005> so long as it's not a lot of work, and in this case, it really isn't.
17:48:51 <Gizmokid2005> instead of updating just the drive letter, I just update the lastprogramdir
17:48:57 <Gizmokid2005> which has to be stored for other updates already
17:49:27 <Gringoloco> What kind of files are to be replaced?
17:51:02 <Gizmokid2005> Gringoloco: lots of them
17:51:07 <Gizmokid2005> just look at the launcher source and you'll see
17:51:09 <Gizmokid2005> it's not pretty
17:51:24 <Gizmokid2005> and Songbird has the most complex launcher of any of our apps...
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17:51:39 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
17:51:45 <Gringoloco> Scary
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17:52:28 <Gizmokid2005> Yep, registry, file path updates, Hex file editing and even SQLite updates
17:52:29 <Gringoloco> Gizmokid2005: I will have a look, but not right now, sorry
17:53:02 <Gizmokid2005> no need to look, that's just how you'd know what all gets updated
17:53:04 <Gizmokid2005> it's crazy.
17:54:05 <Gringoloco> Just be careful with any binary files, they usually get corrupted if you are replacing whole paths
17:55:10 <Gizmokid2005> Nope
17:55:30 <Gizmokid2005> that's the problem, I can ONLY updating the drive in the hex file
17:55:39 <Gizmokid2005> it would be nearly impossible to replace the whole path
17:55:40 <Gizmokid2005> but now, I'm off
17:56:43 <Gringoloco> good luck
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19:57:23 <TimClark> Sorry dboki89 that happened a sooner then I thought
19:58:02 <dboki89> nah, nevermind :) It was a "Ping timeout", so I don't blame you :)
20:00:17 <joby_toss> ;
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20:39:29 <Gizmokid2005> I take it that nobody has seen any issues with Songbird 1.7.2 yet...that's a good thing
20:39:38 <Gizmokid2005> I'll probably have John promote it tonight then
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21:59:04 <joby_toss> .
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22:29:23 <TimClark> Gringoloco: let's make that the last edit, Ok?
22:29:58 <Gringoloco> Can't promise, but I'll try
22:30:11 <TimClark> Oh, I can promise for you
22:30:32 <Gringoloco> What do you mean by that
22:30:43 <TimClark> Everytime you edit folks who are subscribed to the topic get an email
22:30:51 <pkeffect> heh
22:30:59 <TimClark> well, i could just reply and then you can't edit anymore
22:32:16 <Gringoloco> He, I'm just trying to help others...
22:33:01 <TimClark> Of course , but just think out what you want to say, and say it all at once, that is what the preview function is for
22:33:43 <Gringoloco> I know, I'm not usually this bad
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22:34:01 <TimClark> And since gluxon is here you can just tell him about directly
22:34:21 <MaienM> I agree, no offense but receiving 8 nearly identical mails is annoying (it's happened to me before :()
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22:44:25 <TimClark> By the way Gringoloco , why would you want users to run the app from only an Admin account ?
22:44:51 <Gringoloco> It will crash otherwise
22:45:20 <TimClark> Well, if the app is Admin only the odds are it will never be released
22:45:45 <TimClark> Just about all our apps have to run as a normal and admin user
22:46:21 <TimClark> In fact I can only think of one Admin only app
22:46:27 <Gringoloco> Probably, I just couldn't rest till I found out how to register the DLL
22:46:38 <Gringoloco> It's not my PA
22:47:28 <TimClark> I know, that's why I didn't say, "Well, if the app is Admin only the odds are it will never be released, that and it's from gluxon :P "
22:47:48 <gluxon> TimClark: Grrr :P
22:47:49 <TimClark> JOKE, Joke, j/k :P
22:48:10 <gluxon> No, Josh's launcher didn't rely on admin.. so it is possible.
22:48:40 <gluxon> Gringoloco: regsvr32.exe requires admin, unfortunately :(
22:48:44 <TimClark> Let's leave Josh out of things, Ok ?
22:49:31 <gluxon> Okay.
22:50:16 <Gringoloco> gluxon: I just tried Josh's launcher, and it does need admin on my PC or it crashes
22:50:45 <gluxon> Wait.. I have UAC turned off, that might be it. I'll turn it back on and try quicly.
22:51:04 <gluxon> Nevermind, I'll try it later, I need to restart to turn it back on.
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