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00:45:56 <Veixes> Do any of you know if there exist a plugin that adds the possibility to queue new messages coming from any active account without having to set pidgin to an away status?
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02:50:37 <pa_9253> hello guys
02:50:44 <pa_9253> i need help
02:50:45 <ChrisMorgan> Hey pa_9253, can we help you with anything?
02:51:14 <pa_9253> yes how can i add my skype portable apps to my startapps?
02:51:40 <pa_9253> im not a tech geeky ty
02:51:57 <ChrisMorgan> You want it to start when you start the PortableApps.com Platform?
02:52:32 <pa_9253> i just wantted to have the skype icon on my startapps menu
02:53:09 <ChrisMorgan> Just install Skype Portable and it'll appear in the PortableApps.com Menu.
02:55:22 <pa_9253> i installed it but its in the folder, so whenever i wanted to use skype i have to click my computer to see my USB device
02:56:38 <ChrisMorgan> If you installed it with the PortableApps.com Menu, it will appear. What did you do with it to install it?
02:57:23 <pa_9253> i use the portableapps.com
02:58:38 <ChrisMorgan> Did you install it through the menu or what? I don't understand quite what you've done.
03:00:49 <pa_9253> i installed it from the link there...its in my usb cause i can use it from anybodys computer...but is there a way to have the icon in the start apps menu so that i wont have to go thru MY COMPUTER and look for the USB device?
03:03:42 <ChrisMorgan> If you install it with the PortableApps.com Menu, you won't need to.
03:04:00 <ChrisMorgan> For that, you should have it installed in X:\PortableApps\SkypePortable.
03:07:20 <pa_9253> oks thnx Chris very much ....god bless
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03:35:31 <Scriptdaemon> I think there's a bug with the 2.0 installer. It keeps installing all supported languages even when the app is English only.
03:36:00 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon: known bug, fix due in 1.0.1.
03:36:26 <ChrisMorgan> If you want the temporary fix, see http://portableapps.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/portableapps/installer/rev/d71a6d8ac540
03:39:18 <ZachThibeau> howdy Scriptdaemon :D
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03:43:22 <Scriptdaemon> Roomate's wireless died on me..
03:43:25 <Scriptdaemon> .*
03:47:01 <ZachThibeau> then I say it again
03:47:02 <ZachThibeau> howdy Scriptdaemon :D
03:47:16 <Scriptdaemon> Hey ZachThibeau.
03:48:54 <ZachThibeau> just getting to releasing PChat 1.1 and tomorrow I'l be doing the Portable Build which uses my new compile time definition to make it portable by nature :D
03:49:17 <ZachThibeau> using relative paths of course
03:49:48 <ZachThibeau> so settings will be saved ../../../Data/settings by default :)
03:50:28 <Scriptdaemon> Nice.
03:51:10 <ZachThibeau> also there are some textual speed ups too in the chat area too :)
03:52:27 <ZachThibeau> also not forgetting to mention that pchat-irc.com is getting a facelift which is just about done :D
03:52:48 <ZachThibeau> something ptmb coded together from one of my designs I did up in gimp
03:52:56 <Scriptdaemon> Bbs, food.
03:57:45 <Mir> +1 for progress quest being made a PAF
03:57:49 <Mir> \o/
03:57:58 <ChrisMorgan> Seems singularly useless to me.
03:58:06 <Mir> sup zeusthibeau
03:58:46 <ChrisMorgan> ZachThibeau: have you taken Live mode into account?
04:03:06 <ChrisMorgan> With the PortableApps.com Launcher, Live mode is making a comeback; by default the App directory will be copied as well as the Data directory, but it's more efficient if that can be turned off and have just the Data directory copied.
04:06:29 <ZachThibeau> ChrisMorgan: the launcher could handle that specifically actually via the -d command line parameter PChat was originally was using
04:07:42 <ChrisMorgan> Is there anything different in your portable build to the standard build other than the settings location?
04:08:58 <ZachThibeau> nothing specifically, but I'm more or less simplifying certain processes that the launcher would normally do
04:10:05 <ZachThibeau> brb
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04:33:14 <ChrisMorgan> I'd be inclined to not do a special build as it takes extra time, and in Live mode (if you had it) using -d rather than copying App would be preferable, and it's very little extra (and no work as it's already there) to have the parameter in the launcher. And also it means it doesn't suddenly break things if you put a standard build in the App\PChat directory.
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04:50:16 <Pyromaniac> ChrisMorgan: Do you thing TrueTransparency falls under utilities?
04:51:04 <ChrisMorgan> Games?
04:51:11 <ChrisMorgan> Graphics & Pictures?
04:51:14 <ChrisMorgan> Accessibility?
04:51:15 <ChrisMorgan> :P
04:51:50 <Pyromaniac> yeah, it didn't make sense to me either :P
04:52:44 <Pyromaniac> only 10 downloads though
04:52:55 <Pyromaniac> I thought it was going to be huge
04:52:58 <ChrisMorgan> Graphics & Pictures is probably the most accurate, but that's not what the category is /used/ for.
04:53:06 <ChrisMorgan> I tried to work out what it /was/
04:53:11 <ChrisMorgan> And it's been up for less than a day.
04:53:43 <Pyromaniac> how many downloads have you had for PAL?
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04:54:43 <ChrisMorgan> You don't do DT revisions. You do new DTs.
04:54:53 <ChrisMorgan> I don't know. I haven't looked.
04:55:12 <ChrisMorgan> You can look yourself if you want to know, I'm too lazy.
04:55:29 <Pyromaniac> but DTs are more for launcher coding, this is just website and versions
04:55:35 <Pyromaniac> at least I think so
04:57:38 <Pyromaniac> TrueTransparency was originally going to be part of pdi
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04:57:48 <ChrisMorgan> It's a new release. So the DT number goes up.
04:59:17 <Pyromaniac> somebody told me that people dont like constant releases like that, so in order to keep the people from getting mad, if its something small like that, you just call it a revision
04:59:34 <Pyromaniac> I've seen John do it in some of his official applications
05:01:00 <ChrisMorgan> Official applications have revisions. Pre-Releases and Development Tests get a new PR/DT release.
05:01:32 <Pyromaniac> huh... how long do you think is the minimum waiting time before sending out another release?
05:03:27 <ChrisMorgan> 0
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05:31:41 <Pyromaniac> ChrisMorgan: what category does Ares Portable go in
05:31:47 <Pyromaniac> p2p file sharing
05:31:50 <ChrisMorgan> Internet
05:31:55 <Pyromaniac> ok
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05:40:14 <Pyromaniac> ChrisMorgan: I'm trying to out-flood john :P
05:40:25 <Pyromaniac> http://portableapps.com/node/23805
05:40:31 <OliverK> not hard :p
05:40:39 <Pyromaniac> oh hey I didn't see you!
05:40:56 <Pyromaniac> yeah, one week 4 apps
05:41:32 <Pyromaniac> I'm trying to get a ton of releases (all while taking my time) because I'm rebuilding my website, and I want some good stuff to put up there
05:42:11 <OliverK> nice
05:42:47 <ChrisMorgan> Have you succumbed to the temptation that I'm sure must be there to use PAL yet? ;-)
05:43:00 <Pyromaniac> eh, no
05:43:10 <OliverK> ChrisMorgan: there is no temptation
05:43:14 <Pyromaniac> I'm holding off Shareaza
05:43:25 <Pyromaniac> probably the last app for the summer
05:43:36 <ChrisMorgan> Except that you'd have got these releases out even faster. And with more features.
05:43:43 <OliverK> bah
05:44:27 <Pyromaniac> eh, when John releases 2 apps with PAL, I'll switch all my apps to PAL (if he requires it)
05:44:43 <OliverK> Pyromaniac: he isn't going to require it
05:45:12 <OliverK> said as much in one of his posts
05:45:27 <Pyromaniac> what I really want to see is a Wizard
05:45:31 <ChrisMorgan> Pyromaniac: OK, you should find that happening with a week: Audacity and ConvertAll. Get ready to switch :-)
05:45:38 <Pyromaniac> everybody loves their magic
05:45:47 <OliverK> ChrisMorgan: hell will likely freeze first
05:46:13 <Pyromaniac> according to dante's inferno, the deepest part of hell is frozen ice
05:46:34 <OliverK> i haven't managed to read dante's inferno
05:46:47 <Pyromaniac> I was forced to for school :(
05:46:53 <Pyromaniac> well, I read a summary
05:47:13 <OliverK> of course I tried to get a prototype board from radio shack and they didn't have it in the school
05:47:22 * OliverK enjoys reading
05:47:28 * Pyromaniac doesn't
05:47:34 <Pyromaniac> well, I got to go now
05:47:38 <OliverK> night
05:47:40 <Pyromaniac> I'm so tired
05:47:44 <Pyromaniac> bye!
05:47:56 <ChrisMorgan> Abandon hope, all ye who enter here! (Insert sinister and evil laugh)
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05:48:11 <OliverK> ChrisMorgan: i never hope
05:48:21 <OliverK> make a plan, and cover my base
05:48:25 <OliverK> bases*
05:49:25 <OliverK> see Slovotsky's Law #17
05:50:39 <Veixes> (01:46:19) Pyromaniac: according to dante's inferno, the deepest part of hell is frozen ice | Yup, that is Cocytus.
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13:02:38 <AANNGGRRYY> hi
13:03:06 <AANNGGRRYY> I am angry with fcking dumb behavior of Windows - not recognizing AUTORUN.INF on pendrives.
13:03:14 <AANNGGRRYY> :(
13:03:57 <AANNGGRRYY> fck
13:03:59 <AANNGGRRYY> sht
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13:19:17 <MaienM> AANNGGRRYY: what version of windows are you using?
13:19:31 <AANNGGRRYY> Se7en
13:19:40 <MaienM> well then thats why
13:19:52 <MaienM> the whole autorun behavior has been changed in win 7
13:20:02 <MaienM> because it was used a lot by virus
13:20:25 <AANNGGRRYY> 3 or 4 months ago, the thing worked. Now it blows like explosive crap.
13:20:34 <MaienM> so it no longer autoruns anything, but rather it displays a "what action do you want to take" dialog
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13:21:01 <MaienM> hmm, as far as I am aware not autorunning anything is the intended behavior
13:21:09 <MaienM> I might be mistaken though, I don't use it myselfg
13:21:35 <AANNGGRRYY> Even in that dialog, the option to perform autorun is not present
13:21:43 <AANNGGRRYY> What the googler can all this be?
13:22:13 <AANNGGRRYY> I KNOW the autorun is valid, everything is valid but Windows just plain poops at it.
13:23:30 <MaienM> http://blogs.technet.com/b/srd/archive/2009/04/28/autorun-changes-in-windows-7.aspx
13:24:18 <MaienM> as I read that it that says the autorun.inf will be totally ignored from USB drives and the like, and it will be displayed as a selectable option in the "what action do you want to take" dialog for CD's
13:26:20 <AANNGGRRYY> But even that option is not present
13:27:10 <MaienM> like I said, that option should, as far as I'm aware, only be available on optical media like CD/DVD, NOT on pendrives
13:27:22 <AANNGGRRYY> Some content-related issues?
13:27:29 <MaienM> unless I'm misunderstanding what you mean by "that option"
13:28:11 <AANNGGRRYY> the option to "autorun" the device is not present in "actions to take"
13:29:08 <MaienM> you're talking about a pendrive, correct?
13:29:42 <AANNGGRRYY> yes. A NTFSed 1gb pendrive
13:29:58 <AANNGGRRYY> so what the googler can this be?
13:30:00 <MaienM> well then that is correct
13:30:08 <MaienM> <@MaienM> like I said, that option should, as far as I'm aware, only be available on optical media like CD/DVD, NOT on pendrives
13:30:41 <AANNGGRRYY> but it worked several months ago. I was already on se7en
13:30:56 <MaienM> well that is quite odd, I can't think of any reason for that
13:31:38 <AANNGGRRYY> I want to make a demo-drive of Wesnoth. I have a portable install of Wesnoth on the pendrive, and everything
13:31:38 <MaienM> but as far as I know this is the intended behavior in windows 7 since one of the RC versions
13:32:43 <AANNGGRRYY> damn WinDummy7
13:33:03 <MaienM> well, I can't think of any way to archieve that right now, sorry
13:33:31 <MaienM> unless you manage to do the same trick U3 does and make it look like a CD drive to the OS
13:33:47 <AANNGGRRYY> Since Wesnoth can be used as portable software, and ##windows didn't help me, #PortableApps seemed a correct place for this.
13:33:50 <MaienM> but that requires hardware-level changes, so that's most likely not an option
13:34:19 <MaienM> well, sorry, but microsoft intentionally changed the behavior in windows 7 so there's little we can do
13:34:50 <MaienM> I mean, I'm sure there's something you can install on your pc that restores/simulates the old behavior, but that won't do any good on other pc's
13:40:20 <AANNGGRRYY> It's not a policy thing. A while ago (already on se7en), it worked finely. But now, it spews like a googler
13:42:07 <AANNGGRRYY> what the squirrel
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13:46:06 <Gizmokid2005> PenDrivesStink: if something changed, not sure how you expect us to help
13:46:11 <Gizmokid2005> chances are, it was a windows update that caused the issues
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13:46:25 <Gizmokid2005> but since we have /no/ affiliation with Wesnoth, you'd be better off asking the project for help
13:46:36 <Gizmokid2005> there's nothing we can do to help re-enable a windows-killed "feature"
13:47:08 <PenDrivesStink> Wesnoth runs off a pendrive OK, it's an autorun issue.
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13:47:24 <Gizmokid2005> I never said otherwise PenDrivesStink
13:47:47 <PenDrivesStink> so there's no-one to help?
13:48:00 <Gizmokid2005> like you've been told a few times, it's a windows-killed feature
13:48:06 <Gizmokid2005> you need to talk to the Wesnoth project
13:48:12 <Gizmokid2005> we can't fix something that windows disabled.
13:48:16 <Gizmokid2005> that's not what we do.
13:52:14 <PenDrivesStink> Wesnoth by itself (not through autorun) runs finely off a pendrive, so it's related to Autorun, not to Wesnoth.
13:52:40 <Gizmokid2005> again, if Wesnoth is designed to autorun, and you can't get it to work, IT IS related to them, even if it's through autorun
13:52:50 <Gizmokid2005> I don't know how you assume that we as a project are related to windows and can fix autorun...
13:52:57 <Gizmokid2005> we don't use workarounds to get things to work
13:53:10 <Gizmokid2005> Which is why I've told you to check with Wesnoth multiple times
13:53:20 <Gizmokid2005> we can't get around windows killing that feature.
13:57:20 <PenDrivesStink> I assumed that because PortableApps project provides a "launcher" that is used as autorun
13:58:25 <Gizmokid2005> no
13:58:34 <Gizmokid2005> our launcher is in /NO/ way used as an autorun
13:59:09 <Gizmokid2005> our Launchers are what are used to ensure the programs run portably and follow in our specification
13:59:27 <Gizmokid2005> the Menu is used just as that, a menu to launch the apps so you don't have to navigate folders
14:09:56 <Gizmokid2005> RELEASED: Songbird Portable 1.7.3 Pre-Release 1: http://portableapps.com/node/23808 (Note: This fixes the library issues from 1.7.2)
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14:23:37 <MaienM> and how exactly is that funny?
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16:40:38 <pa_3165> how can I make it so that portableapps starts when I insert my usb drive
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16:51:57 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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17:44:55 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
17:46:16 <iceslice> hi Gizmo, remember manaportable ?
17:47:01 <Gizmokid2005> yes iceslice
17:47:26 <iceslice> thx, i wanna know it has any chance of getting included
17:47:33 <iceslice> or i need to do something more...
17:47:40 <iceslice> *know if
17:47:46 <Gizmokid2005> iceslice: That's up to john
17:47:48 <Gizmokid2005> not I.
17:48:03 <iceslice> ah well
17:49:15 <iceslice> I dont see john here.
17:49:21 <Gizmokid2005> he normally isn't
17:49:29 <iceslice> okay :)
17:52:41 <iceslice> btw, I am active on that game community, so I can update the app in times (just to inform)
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20:30:31 <Gizmokid2005> UPDATED: KVIrc Portable 4.0r4338 RC1: http://portableapps.com/node/23424
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22:03:46 <Pyromaniac> hello!
22:05:55 <Pyromaniac> is anybody there?
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