IRC Log from 2010-06-12
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00:38:20 <ZachThibeau> howdy ChrisMorgan
00:38:27 <ChrisMorgan> Hey ZachThibeau
00:38:56 <ZachThibeau> just a question about pal that I know you already told me about that I absolutely forgot :P
00:39:05 <ZachThibeau> it's about language switching
00:39:36 <ZachThibeau> I think it was related to PortableApps.comLocaleglibc
00:40:32 <ZachThibeau> just for the sake of all things I can forget it was that one little section that has escaped me
00:41:05 <ZachThibeau> mind lending a hand one more time?
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00:43:08 <ChrisMorgan> Sure
00:43:13 <ZachThibeau> thanks
00:43:59 <ChrisMorgan> There's the table in the manual if it's just values you're needing - http://portableapps.chrismorgan.info/portableapps/launcher/docs/topics/languages/#language-variable-values
00:45:05 <ZachThibeau> you're a life saver :D
00:46:02 <ChrisMorgan> My Uncle Andrew says that sometimes... "I can tell by the hole in your head".
00:46:35 <ZachThibeau> well with the way I'm so stuffed up at the moment from my allergies I feel like I have a hole in my head
00:47:16 <ZachThibeau> brb testing language switching now
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00:47:29 <GizmoBot> computerfreaker is working on KidSafe and TopOCR, and would very much like to have folks test them and give feedback
00:47:48 <computerfreaker> hey ChrisMorgan, got a moment? I may have found an issue with PAL, although I'm not sure exactly what.
00:48:08 <ChrisMorgan> Sure
00:48:22 <computerfreaker> http://portableapps.com/node/21986#comment-151387
00:48:44 <computerfreaker> that, and the next 5 messages or so, seem to point to an issue in the UAC plugin.
00:50:21 <ChrisMorgan> I don't know. Doesn't seem right at all, it shouldn't have any file writing stuff in it.
00:50:32 <computerfreaker> it's not that.
00:50:38 <computerfreaker> TopOCR works with admin rights.
00:50:44 <computerfreaker> TopOCR works with limited rights.
00:50:56 <computerfreaker> TopOCR apparently *doesn't* work when it's called via the UAC plugin.
00:51:15 <computerfreaker> s/called/run elevated
00:51:36 <ChrisMorgan> That's part of what seems weird.
00:52:08 <ChrisMorgan> I've had the UAC plug-in working perfectly with a few apps on a couple of systems of my own and others have reported no issues with it.
00:52:24 <computerfreaker> The problem is also apparently reproducable across all systems - the original report was on Win 7 64-bit, but I was able to reproduce on my 32-bit XP Pro SP3 system.
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00:53:29 <GizmoBot> ...
00:53:58 <ZachThibeau> having some issues but the documentation is proving very useful
00:53:58 <computerfreaker> at one point, the UAC plugin had had an issue where environment variables were thrown out the window. Do you think that's what the problem could be? (TopOCR does store a settings file in %WINDIR%)
00:54:02 <ChrisMorgan> ZachThibeau: because PChat uses the LANG environment variable, if you want to preserve the previous value when it's not run from the Platform, you could put in a FileWrite and LanguageFile in %PAL:DataDir%\settings\PChatPortableSettings.ini to store the language.
00:54:21 <ChrisMorgan> computerfreaker: if that's so, then that will be it.
00:54:31 <computerfreaker> is there a way I can check?
00:55:10 <ChrisMorgan> Nothing of the environment gets kept between the user and admin layers. That's something I'll be seeing if I can work around in 2.1 with cross-process communication.
00:55:33 <computerfreaker> system-wide env vars should still be kept though, right?
00:55:38 <ChrisMorgan> It gets the admin's plain environment rather than the built-up user environment.
00:55:43 <ChrisMorgan> Yes.
00:55:57 <ChrisMorgan> You can use Process Explorer to examine its environment space.
00:56:03 <computerfreaker> so %WINDIR% should still be set. Well, that scuttles my only idea.
00:57:08 <ZachThibeau> ChrisMorgan: in the [Language] part I have CheckIfExists=%PAL:AppDir%\PChat\locale\%PAL:PortableApps.comLocaleglibc%\LC_MESSAGES\pchat.mo either I have that wrong or I'm missing something that goes with it
00:57:22 <ChrisMorgan> No PAL:
00:57:33 <ChrisMorgan> They're just %PortableApps.comLocaleglibc% et al.
00:57:35 <ZachThibeau> ah
00:57:40 <ZachThibeau> my bad
00:58:04 <ZachThibeau> brb again
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00:58:39 <ZachThibeau> hmm still not working :/
00:58:44 <ChrisMorgan> Be aware that when you use those variables directly, you can't have any string overrides if they're needed or store the language.
01:00:09 <computerfreaker> so, there's no reasonable explanation for TopOCR's issue?
01:00:16 <ChrisMorgan> Try turning debug on, it may provide a useful message. http://portableapps.chrismorgan.info/portableapps/launcher/docs/advanced/debug/#advanced-debug (DEBUG_OUTPUT file may be useful as you don't need the message boxes)
01:00:26 <ChrisMorgan> computerfreaker: not sure at the moment.
01:00:35 <computerfreaker> ok
01:00:46 <ChrisMorgan> (That debug thing was for ZachThibeau)
01:00:51 <computerfreaker> ok
01:01:13 <computerfreaker> I don't have any ideas atm either. I'll also be afk for almost the entire weekend, so I won't have a chance to play around with it.
01:01:28 <ZachThibeau> ChrisMorgan: debug for the launcher?
01:01:34 <ChrisMorgan> ZachThibeau: yes
01:02:15 <computerfreaker> I'm going to sign off again. Thanks anyway, ChrisMorgan!
01:02:24 <computerfreaker> I'll let you know if I ever find anything.
01:02:25 <ChrisMorgan> Bye
01:02:53 <ZachThibeau> brb
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03:04:39 <vf2nsr> ChrisMorgan: you real busy?
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03:28:43 <cM> whats going on?
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04:58:35 <pa_2838> Gizmokid2005: Does the Watch Folder option work in Songbird Portable? eg. set X:\Documents\Music as the folder to watch.
05:01:37 <Bensawsome> pa_2838 he's asleep. But it shouldnt be that hard to test
05:01:40 <Bensawsome> set it
05:01:45 <Bensawsome> put an mp3 files their
05:01:49 <Bensawsome> it should add it
05:01:59 <Bensawsome> then exit songbird
05:02:13 <Bensawsome> put a different mp3 in their
05:02:17 <Bensawsome> and restart songbird
05:02:20 <Bensawsome> it should add it
05:02:26 <Bensawsome> if watch folder works that is
05:03:14 <pa_2838> It's just I already have a 14,000 MP3 collection stored intheir so am wary about what the outcome would be if it doesn't work out
05:03:46 <Bensawsome> just put 1 mp3 file in it to test it... its not like its gonna delete your whole library
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05:14:33 <pa_2838> I made a backup of Data and set the Music Folder to watch. Looks like it's reimporting all the media so either it's worked or I'm going to have 2 of every song in my collection.
05:15:02 <pa_2838> I expected this part would work the next is will the watched folder work once the drive letter is changed?
05:16:06 <pa_2838> brb
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05:21:15 <Pyromaniac> ChrisMorgan: when you said that the version was 1.4.1, what part of TrueTransparency Portable were you reffereing to?
05:21:27 <ChrisMorgan> TrueTransparency.
05:22:34 <Pyromaniac> oh, not like appinfo.ini or the launcher source?
05:23:23 <ChrisMorgan> No. That's TT's version number.
05:24:08 <Pyromaniac> ok
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06:17:04 <Scriptdaemon> I don't seem to be getting notification emails anymore when a thread to which I'm subscribed is updated...
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10:38:34 <beppegg> hi all :)
10:38:55 <beppegg> it's the first time PChat succeed connecting :D
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10:44:33 <beppegg> is anybody in there?
10:44:54 <beppegg> may I ask an advice about PA Launcher?
10:45:19 <beppegg> ooops, some one calls me... gotta go :)
10:45:34 <beppegg> I'll come back later!
10:46:32 <benedikt93> just ask your question ;)
10:47:00 <benedikt93> Am I right assuming you've got problems with PChat?
10:47:44 <ChrisMorgan> beppegg: ask any time.
10:47:59 <ChrisMorgan> benedikt93: Launcher, not PChat I think.
10:48:43 <benedikt93> I thought he has problems with both (because of "it's the first time PChat succeed connecting :D")
10:49:17 <beppegg> Launcher question, PChat problems... but the latter caused by company's firewall, I really think :P
10:50:17 <beppegg> about Launcher: I've used a [FileMove] section for moving the .rc configuration file from "user home" to Data and back
10:50:20 <beppegg> but I think
10:50:44 <beppegg> that if the Launcher doesn't finds the file tfor copying on the local pc
10:50:55 <beppegg> it doesn't copy it back at the end
10:51:37 <beppegg> the problem is: what if the file is created from the app itself on the first run?
10:51:40 <beppegg> :P
10:51:53 <ChrisMorgan> A line in [FilesMove] like settings\thingy.rc=%USERPROFILE% will take care of all that; if %USERPROFILE%\thingy.rc already exists (local setting), it'll back that up and restore it afterwards.
10:52:39 <beppegg> yes, but it doesn't bring back thingy.rc it has been created for new by the application
10:53:25 <beppegg> there's nothing to copy -> apps creates thingy.rc on local pc -> it isn't copied back on usb stick
10:53:37 <beppegg> sorry, brb
10:53:48 <ChrisMorgan> It takes care of all that.
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13:08:00 <beppegg> Hi again
13:08:45 <beppegg> I've answered to Chris, before... but PChat hasn't told me I was disconnected :P
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13:37:44 <Simeon> hi all
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14:14:31 <beppegg> handled :D I wrote [FileMove] instead of [FilesMove] :D
14:14:34 <beppegg> ahahahaXD
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15:40:31 <pa_9724> Hello
15:41:07 <pa_9724> I wanted to install the PA suite to my hard drive that has XP
15:41:12 <pa_9724> any suggestions
15:41:38 <pa_9724> help
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15:43:51 <pa_9724> help
15:46:12 <pa_9724> ProgMan
15:46:50 <pa_9724> don't see any activity .. what am i doing wrong
15:46:55 <pa_9724> hello
15:46:57 <pa_9724> help
15:46:59 <pa_9724> anyone
15:47:52 <pa_9724> Gizmokid2005
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15:49:25 <pa_5616> HELP
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16:14:25 <farmer.freenode.net> Topic for #portableapps is: Welcome to the PortableApps.com support channel. If you need assistance, just say "help!", or ask your question, and WAIT rather than just leaving. | Please don't PM without asking first | This channel is logged: http://nascent-project.org/irc/logs | The #PortableApps IRC rules are here: http://gizmokid2005.com/paircrules Read and abide by them
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16:31:41 <pa_3778> Hi, all.
16:32:05 <pa_3778> I have a question about using PortableApps in Ubuntu. Anyone here familiar with that?
16:33:00 <TimClark> pa_3778: I know you need to use WINE, that's about it
16:33:56 <pa_3778> OK. I'll try a forum post and see what I get. Thanks!
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16:34:50 <TimClark> Wow, "I" had to do PA.c support for *nix, that's a first
16:35:55 <Bensawsome> good job though TimClark. sry i woulda helped but i just got up like literally 1 minutes ago
16:36:56 <TimClark> Dave or MaienM|Gone might have been best, but they are not around
16:37:52 <Bensawsome> yep. Now im off to have breakfast... ah i love saturdays xD
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16:44:23 <Simeon> hi all
16:45:24 <Simeon> I always find it sad if I see the logs and people ask something but noone is here to help!
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16:48:12 <TimClark> Not much can be done about it Simeon as most of the folks who are here ALL the time are just lurkers :(
16:48:56 <TimClark> Since we have the logs it would be nice if the only folks who "hung out" were the ones who were here to actually help
16:49:21 <Simeon> yes
16:50:15 <TimClark> Gizmokid2005: and MaienM|Gone are here almost all the time, but they need a break to live their lives so in their case it's understandable as part of OP duty
16:50:30 <TimClark> In fact that's why I'm here now
16:50:45 <Gizmokid2005> Simeon: you also have to take into account timestamps
16:50:52 <Gizmokid2005> people that come in here for help rarely stay for more than 2 minutes
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16:51:01 <Gizmokid2005> we can't do anything about that.
16:51:12 <Simeon> right
16:51:38 <Simeon> zimezones are a problem too as most people (i guess) have a us-timezone
16:52:53 <TimClark> My thought is that if we had less lurkers that folks would see the actual need and say, "Hey, maybe I can donate an hour" if they see that there few folks around
16:54:05 <TimClark> For the moment they would see 20 "users" in here right now and think, "Oh, guess I'm not needed"
16:54:06 <Simeon> yes. But checking the logs I saw that most stuff happens in the 12 hours from now on so chances are low that someone actually needs help at other times
16:56:00 <TimClark> I wish there was a way to let the lurkers be " invisible " if they so chose, so only active members would showing
16:56:23 <TimClark> I know mibbit had that feature, but that was of course client based
16:57:39 <gluxon> Without the lurkers, this would be an extremly small channel :(
16:57:56 <TimClark> And why would that be a problem gluxon ?
16:58:17 <gluxon> Uh.. it won't.
17:01:16 <TimClark> I would rather have 5 active members then 15 lurkers
17:02:03 <TimClark> As I said, with the logs being active I don't see the need for lurking anymore
17:05:40 <TimClark> Anyway, I've been away and busy for the past few days, and am just now getting caught up on stuff here and at the site
17:06:06 <TimClark> Did we ever find out what was/is up with the "delay" ?
17:06:15 <gluxon> No :(
17:06:20 <Simeon> nope
17:06:49 <TimClark> He really should tell us at least what's going on / what happened
17:07:21 <TimClark> I see truthseeker [sic] has bumped his topic a few times
17:07:31 <Simeon> I wish the new launcher would be released.
17:08:56 <Simeon> Looks like its not as ready as everyone thought
17:09:20 <TimClark> Or a least release the apps that are on hold
17:09:29 <Simeon> like Clamwin
17:09:56 * TimClark really wants his CWP :/
17:10:12 <TimClark> I am really looking forward to the new features
17:10:22 <Simeon> clamwin's?
17:10:32 <TimClark> Yes
17:11:01 <Simeon> what are they?
17:13:34 <TimClark> The current feature list is now not showing it for some reason, but it did mention before the ability to exclude windows system files to help prevent dangerous system affecting false positives
17:13:51 <Simeon> cool
17:14:55 <TimClark> For some reason the site is mentioning Monday, 24 May 2010 . but I'm sure it came out in April
17:15:05 <TimClark> Maybe it's another update ?
17:15:11 <Simeon> dunno
17:15:35 <TimClark> Monday, 12 April 2010
17:15:45 <TimClark> Digital Signature verification prevents false positive detection for Windows system files
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17:16:33 <TimClark> Ah, that was 9.6 , they are now at 9.6.1
17:20:53 <Simeon> I'd whish we could get the apps released with the "old" launchers but the 2.0 format. So they would be ready for the new platform AND released.
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17:36:30 <pa_3105> is there 2.0 suite out?
17:36:51 <Simeon> not yet. We are all waiting for it
17:37:05 <Simeon> only the beta which has been here for some time now
17:37:26 <pa_3105> thanks
17:37:31 <pa_3105> so..
17:37:52 <pa_3105> so where do i start
17:38:02 <Simeon> with what?
17:38:20 <pa_3105> with all the latest stuff
17:38:39 <TimClark> pa_3105: honestly we do not know when it will come out at this point and we are as anxious you are, we just don't know
17:38:40 <pa_3105> when i go to download.. only 1.6 suite is out there
17:39:18 <Simeon> 1.6.1 is the latest stable release.
17:39:24 <pa_3105> i mean .. do i get the 2.0 beta and then start building my apps
17:40:15 <Simeon> 2.0 beta 4 is here: http://portableapps.com/node/22443
17:40:30 <Simeon> what do you mean by building?
17:40:54 <pa_3105> i am referring to a suite
17:41:36 <Simeon> yes. Just download the beta and all the apps you want and install them to your usb drive
17:42:21 <pa_3105> not prepared for a usb just yet.. wanted to install it to Hd
17:42:30 <pa_3105> Hard drive
17:42:36 <Simeon> doesnt matter where you install it to
17:43:27 <pa_3105> so.. shall i just dl the 1.6 standard suite and then install the 2.0 beta
17:43:43 <Simeon> do you have an older version?
17:43:50 <pa_3105> instead of rebuilding a seperate suite
17:44:03 <pa_3105> i did a little while back..
17:44:17 <pa_3105> but i'm starting new
17:44:37 <pa_3105> i have a xp that i have just got it down to bare bones
17:44:50 <pa_3105> uninstalled everything i could
17:44:57 <Simeon> it doesnt matter what you do You can dl the 1.6.1 suite with the apps in it or, if you dont need the majority of them, dl the beta, install it and then install the apps you want into it.
17:45:18 <pa_3105> since everything i want is available in the suite
17:45:34 <pa_3105> i was going to try that out
17:45:42 <Simeon> ok then dl the 1.6.1 suite and then install the beta
17:45:55 <pa_3105> cool
17:45:57 <pa_3105> beans
17:45:59 <pa_3105> :)
17:46:18 <pa_3105> a big Q
17:46:26 <pa_3105> meaning thank you
17:47:09 <pa_3105> will return after installation
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18:34:31 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
18:34:58 <ZachThibeau> howdy TimClark
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19:22:17 <TimClark> Hello ZachThibeau , it appears I ping timedout
19:22:40 <TimClark> As did you it seems, I guess it's not just a webcrap thing
19:23:13 <rcmaehl> heh
19:23:19 <rcmaehl> The webchat?
19:24:26 <rcmaehl> If that's what your talking about I had tons a ping timeouts b/c it's ip wasn't resolving right and I had to flush my dns before each webchat use or i'd get ping timeouts
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19:41:54 <ZachThibeau> sorry about that Tim I kind of feel asleep there for a few, haven't slept right since coming back from the Emergency clinic 2 days ago
19:44:03 <ZachThibeau> like I sleep but it's not a deep sleep and I'm also trying to push PChat Portable with language support and it's not going so well for me at this time
19:44:15 <rcmaehl> ><
19:44:20 <rcmaehl> Pchat is so annoying
19:44:50 <TimClark> ZachThibeau: picking up in -ot
19:48:00 <ZachThibeau> rcmaehl: if you aren't going to say why it's so annoying then please keep your comments to yourself
19:48:47 <rcmaehl> oh
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