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01:34:51 <pa_9194> Can I ask a question?
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01:37:40 <pa_9194> need a question answered please
01:37:45 <Pyromaniac> ok
01:38:03 <pa_9194> i installed portableapps and it asked for a folder
01:38:12 <pa_9194> so I made on called PA
01:38:25 <pa_9194> everything was installed in that folder
01:38:28 <Pyromaniac> ok
01:38:39 <pa_9194> even the inf file
01:38:52 <Bensawsome> pa_9194 ur supposed to install it to the root of the usb drive
01:38:56 <Pyromaniac> and your wondering why it is not auto-running?
01:39:05 <Pyromaniac> Bensawsome: I was getting there :P
01:39:07 <Bensawsome> just cut and paste everything in that folder up one level
01:39:13 <Bensawsome> and it should autorun
01:39:18 <pa_9194> it would not install from the root it wanted a folder
01:39:27 <Pyromaniac> no, the autorun file is set for that directory
01:39:38 <Pyromaniac> are you sure?
01:39:39 <Bensawsome> it wouldnt let you install to the root?
01:39:44 <pa_9194> no
01:39:51 <Pyromaniac> Did you click the 3 little dots
01:40:01 <pa_9194> it requested a folder and would not install until I created a folder
01:40:02 <Pyromaniac> then click your drive?
01:40:24 <Bensawsome> pa_9194 you got this from portableapps.com right?
01:40:33 <pa_9194> yep 1.61
01:40:35 <Pyromaniac> what was the error message you recieved?
01:40:45 <pa_9194> none it installed perfect
01:41:13 <pa_9194> 1.6.1
01:41:19 <Pyromaniac> what was the message when you tried to install to your root drive?
01:41:21 <gluxon> pa_9194: Go into the X:\PA folder.
01:41:27 <gluxon> Where X is your drive.
01:41:29 <Pyromaniac> you said it didn't work
01:41:34 <pa_9194> it asked to speciffy a folder
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01:41:53 <gluxon> pa_9194: Please go into that folder.
01:41:58 <pa_9023> evening
01:42:00 <pa_9194> ok
01:42:14 <gluxon> Presss Ctrl + A
01:42:20 <pa_9023> anyone here that can help me with a problen I have?
01:42:28 <Pyromaniac> sure
01:42:38 <gluxon> pa_9023: Aren't you Ben? O_o
01:43:03 <gluxon> pa_9194: After you've pressed Ctrl + A, press Ctrl + X
01:43:16 <pa_9194> what will that do?
01:43:20 <Pyromaniac> ?
01:43:29 <gluxon> Go into the root of your drive.
01:43:33 <gluxon> And press Ctrl + V
01:43:54 <pa_9194> I can copy all the stuff from that folder to root then delete the folder
01:44:04 <gluxon> Yep.
01:44:05 <pa_9023> I've been trying to install Java_Portable_6_Update_19_online.paf.exe but for some reason it tells me that it was not able to download JAVA so it won't install correctly
01:44:21 <pa_9194> okay I will do that, thanks
01:44:24 <gluxon> Hm... do you have access to the java site?
01:44:45 <Pyromaniac> what was the error message?
01:44:53 <pa_9023> I have the same problem with Skype Portable and it didn't happen to me before (I'm trying to set a new USB up)
01:44:53 <Pyromaniac> IE error in transfer?
01:45:00 <pa_9023> Yeap, full internet access
01:45:15 <Pyromaniac> what was the error message?
01:45:19 <pa_9023> let me check about the error to transcribe it exactly
01:45:22 <Pyromaniac> ok
01:46:30 <pa_9023> please, hold on is trying to install...
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01:46:55 <pa_9023> ERROR: SendRequest Error
01:47:01 <Pyromaniac> ah, ok
01:47:15 <Pyromaniac> perhaps the download link to Java is outdated
01:47:28 <Pyromaniac> (anyone else have an idea)?
01:47:50 <pa_9023> so should I download the paf.exe file again?
01:47:50 <vf2nsr> Pyromaniac: I cam e late what question?
01:48:07 <pa_9023> The same thing happened with Skype Portable :-S
01:48:27 <Pyromaniac> vf2nsr: he is having trouble installing Java and Skype Portable
01:48:37 <gluxon> pa_9023: Have you tried anything else, like Google Chrome Portable?
01:48:39 <Pyromaniac> ERROR: SendRequest Error
01:48:44 <vf2nsr> I can venture a guess Java has updated since the paf version released
01:48:55 <Pyromaniac> yes, but has skype?
01:49:06 <vf2nsr> I bet the paf version as an installer is pointing to a site that is no longer there
01:49:06 <gluxon> I'll try to download it too.
01:49:06 * Pyromaniac wishes john were here
01:49:09 <pa_9023> Yup, around 10 more apps... everything worked fine except those 2
01:49:25 <vf2nsr> and same with skype
01:49:27 <Pyromaniac> I can't because its going to take 5 minutes to install
01:49:36 <gluxon> pa_9023: Okay, it's probably possible that the two links were updated and the installer can no longer find them.
01:49:58 <vf2nsr> that is my guess is skype an installer as well?
01:50:17 <pa_9023> yup, both downloaded from portablesapps.com
01:50:19 <vf2nsr> because I was just looking at java and the version on my desktop is newer than the paf one
01:50:34 <vf2nsr> well then that would be my guess
01:51:08 <gluxon> That's strange, both installers are working for me.
01:51:17 <Pyromaniac> does Google Earth Portable go under Education or Internet?
01:51:25 <pa_9023> really? O_o
01:51:31 * Pyromaniac thinks it mihgt be his proxy configuration
01:51:37 <vf2nsr> good question about google earth
01:51:43 <pa_9023> I don't have a proxy
01:51:55 <Pyromaniac> Are you using wifi?
01:51:59 <pa_9023> yup
01:52:12 <Pyromaniac> ah, I think I found the problem
01:52:28 <pa_9023> shoot
01:52:31 <Pyromaniac> you need to do multiple requests
01:52:38 <Pyromaniac> let me elaborate...
01:52:44 <pa_9023> yes, please
01:52:44 <Pyromaniac> Open a new tab
01:53:02 <Pyromaniac> go to a simple site like google.com
01:53:23 <Pyromaniac> and (don't refresh) go to the URL bar and highlight
01:53:24 <pa_9023> and then?
01:53:30 <Pyromaniac> click ENTER
01:53:39 <Pyromaniac> keep doing that as the installer installs
01:53:45 <Pyromaniac> I'm on Wifi too
01:53:52 <Pyromaniac> I was testing Google Earth Portable
01:53:57 <pa_9023> Keep clicking enter?
01:53:57 <Pyromaniac> thats how I had to do it
01:54:18 <Pyromaniac> when the installer says "Downloading Java"
01:54:20 <gluxon> Click on the reload button instead.
01:54:26 <Pyromaniac> no!
01:54:29 <gluxon> Pyromaniac: -ot please
01:54:30 <Pyromaniac> that won't work
01:54:47 <Pyromaniac> gluxon: I want to fix his problem first
01:55:03 <Pyromaniac> pa_9023: press enter
01:55:13 <Pyromaniac> not click
01:55:28 <pa_9023> ok, let me try that... what's next? dance around the laptop until it installs? hehehe, just kidding, let me try
01:55:50 <Pyromaniac> dude, seriously, do you want help?
01:56:03 <gluxon> pa_9023: lol :P
01:56:09 <Pyromaniac> thats all I got, and no one else here has any ideas...
01:56:36 <vf2nsr> BTW I am wrong about java link does exist
01:56:45 <vf2nsr> where is he trying to install it o?
01:56:58 <vf2nsr> o=to
01:56:59 <Pyromaniac> his USB stick
01:57:03 <pa_9194> another question, when you download portapps, do you put it in the flash root and install or your c: and install to flash
01:57:13 <vf2nsr> in pa platform?
01:57:16 <Pyromaniac> falsh root
01:57:30 <pa_9194> ok
01:57:33 <gluxon> Download to C: then install to flash.
01:57:42 <Pyromaniac> you can put it in Desktop, then run it
01:57:54 <Pyromaniac> yeah, sorru I missinterpreted your question
01:57:58 <pa_9194> okay thats why it wanted a folder to extract to when you put it in flash root
01:58:05 <vf2nsr> java portable goes to the Commonfiles folder in PA platform
01:58:10 <pa_9023> Nope, it didn't work
01:58:24 <Pyromaniac> what did you do?
01:58:33 <Pyromaniac> in your words,
01:59:08 <Pyromaniac> I decided Google Earth Portable is Interne
01:59:09 <pa_9023> what you told me: keep pressing ENTER from the address bar of a regular site (google.com)
01:59:34 <pa_9023> URL + Highlight + Enter
01:59:36 <Pyromaniac> did you make sure the pages were loading each time?
01:59:39 <Pyromaniac> ok
01:59:41 <Pyromaniac> hmmm
01:59:51 <Pyromaniac> and you have good signal right?
01:59:59 <pa_9023> yes
02:00:09 <pa_9023> I'm about 10 ft away from the router
02:00:40 <Pyromaniac> can you connect your laptop to the internet directly?
02:00:57 <Pyromaniac> like, plug the ethernet cable into your laptop?
02:01:09 <pa_9023> it's something new... I used the same installer a few days ago to set my USB up... now I'm trying to set another one up and it gives me this
02:01:15 <pa_9023> yes, I can
02:01:16 <pa_9023> should I try that?
02:01:41 <Pyromaniac> yes
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02:02:12 <pa_9023> ok, hold on
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02:03:17 <gluxon> pa_9023: Does this link work for you? http://cds-esd.sun.com/ESD6/JSCDL/jdk/6u20-b02/jdk-6u20-windows-i586.exe?AuthParam=1276394687_e59090ca72c2d420e96221719f774457&TicketId=B%2Fw%2BkhyCRVJOQRFEOVNdlQTm&GroupName=CDS&FilePath=/ESD6/JSCDL/jdk/6u20-b02/jdk-6u20-windows-i586.exe&File=jdk-6u20-windows-i586.exe
02:03:53 <vf2nsr> http://javadl.sun.com/webapps/download/AutoDL?BundleId=38663 this is link from installer
02:04:56 <gluxon> pa_9023: Sorry to confuse you, try vf2nsr's link instead.
02:05:14 <pa_9023> both links work
02:05:26 <vf2nsr> installer is 19 gluxon Java is currenlty 20
02:05:40 <pa_9023> and I connected to the ethernet cable and it won't work either
02:05:42 <gluxon> That's strange, then the installer should be working.
02:06:07 <pa_9023> Pyro, you there?
02:06:13 <Pyromaniac> yes
02:06:14 <Pyromaniac> sorry
02:06:25 <Pyromaniac> ummm
02:06:37 <Pyromaniac> My last guess is your internet connection
02:06:45 <Pyromaniac> but it will be hard to help thourhg IRC
02:07:01 <pa_9023> let me try from my wife's laptop
02:07:53 <vf2nsr> What OS?
02:08:10 <pa_9023> XP
02:08:30 <vf2nsr> any blockers or firewalls?
02:08:40 <pa_9023> nope
02:08:44 <Pyromaniac> did you say your other flash drive it work though?
02:08:45 <pa_9023> nothing fancy
02:08:52 <pa_9023> yup
02:09:00 <vf2nsr> and you are installing it to the default location on the usb driuve?
02:09:36 <Pyromaniac> pa_9023: can you install to your desktop?
02:09:53 <Pyromaniac> Create a new folder and put all your apps in there
02:10:18 <pa_9023> yes
02:11:01 <vf2nsr> yes to Pyromaniac or vf2nsr ?
02:11:07 <pa_9023> both
02:11:36 <vf2nsr> OK I will sit back and let Py TECH YOU SO AS NOT OT CONFUSE
02:11:45 <vf2nsr> oops sorry about caps
02:11:55 <vf2nsr> caps lock next to A ;)
02:12:03 <Pyromaniac> I was gonna SAY :P
02:12:25 <pa_9023> DAMN! It's working from my wife's computer!
02:12:28 <vf2nsr> meant to hit tab for auto complete of name actually Pyromaniac
02:13:19 <pa_9023> Now I'm even more confused
02:13:36 <pa_9023> it's downloading, godammit!
02:13:51 <Veixes> marvelous
02:14:10 <vf2nsr> must be a hiccup in your computer
02:14:51 <pa_9023> what about a conflict between Portable Java and local Java?
02:15:18 <Pyromaniac> nope
02:15:27 <Pyromaniac> the installer is seperate
02:15:35 <Pyromaniac> It won't look for your local install
02:15:56 <vf2nsr> gluxon: bytw I played with the java poratble controls it recognied both the portable version as well as the installed version, it also showed java applets used by FFP did not change anything though, modified 4 java files (logs) in app data though
02:16:43 <vf2nsr> ignore that pa_9023 seperate conversation
02:18:03 <vf2nsr> bbiab
02:18:05 <pa_9023> I think it might have something to do with either my security setting and /or my connection
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02:18:26 <pa_9023> don't know exactly what, but it's my best guess
02:18:37 <pa_9023> and BTW, Skype is also working on the other laptop too
02:22:05 <Pyromaniac> I'm 99% sure its your internet connection
02:22:26 <Pyromaniac> not sure how, but based on what you've told us, thats my best guess
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02:23:00 <pa_9023> but the other laptop uses the same connection
02:25:01 <Pyromaniac> no, I mean the way the first laptop connnects to the internet
02:26:18 <Pyromaniac> hey pa_9023!
02:26:35 <Pyromaniac> try downloading this from your first laptop: http://portableapps.com/node/23828
02:26:52 <Pyromaniac> Its the app I was just talking about
02:27:08 <pa_9023> ok, hold on
02:27:53 <pa_9023> cool!!
02:28:06 <pa_9023> I always wanted to have Google Earth potable!
02:28:12 <Pyromaniac> Great!
02:28:13 <pa_9023> portable
02:29:16 <Pyromaniac> (don't be afraid to post that in the forum, I need positive comments because I want google to give us permission to make it official :P)
02:29:35 <pa_9023> hehe ok
02:31:38 <Pyromaniac> well I need to go in a minute
02:31:59 <Pyromaniac> I hope you get this problem sorted out
02:32:36 <pa_9023> not really, but at least I had it working
02:32:43 <pa_9023> thanks anyway, dude!
02:32:52 <pa_9023> I really appreciate it
02:33:27 <Pyromaniac> no problem
02:33:41 <Pyromaniac> do you have an account with PortableApps.com?
02:33:55 <pa_9023> no, I don't
02:34:21 <Pyromaniac> ah, well don't be afraid to make one :P
02:34:52 <Pyromaniac> bye bye now!
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02:35:04 <Veixes> great community
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02:50:11 <TimClark> For those involved in the previous support, please check the logs, it was a mess :/
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13:50:54 <purple> hi :)
13:51:33 <purple> just put online my new project, http://soogle.net/
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15:55:42 <wichman> Hello, I have a ? about incomplete dls.
15:57:32 <Veixes> Ask your question, and WAIT rather than just leaving. If someone knows the answer, they will step forward.
15:58:42 <wichman> I'm still here :)
16:00:45 <wichman> I am unable to get complete dls of the PA suite. The dl will start but not finish completely. I have used multiple system and computers with the same result.
16:04:03 <Veixes> I just downloaded the PA standard suite without a problem
16:04:49 <Veixes> perhaps you should try a different mirror when downloading it from sourceforge
16:05:12 <wichman> I realize that the problem may be on my end, any suggestions of how to fix this?
16:05:13 <Veixes> I notice you are connected using dial up
16:05:27 <Veixes> perhaps that's part of the problem
16:06:05 <wichman> I have access to a high speed connection, same result with it.
16:06:43 <Veixes> have you tried a different mirror from where to download from?
16:06:47 <wichman> Both saving to the HD and the jumpdrive.
16:06:55 <wichman> Yes
16:07:12 <Veixes> sometimes I ecounter problem when downloading files from sourceforge and changing the download mirror solves it
16:07:31 <Veixes> odd
16:08:25 <wichman> Okay, I'll try using several different mirrors and see if one will work.
16:09:22 <benedikt93> MAybe try something like DownThemAll or another downloader, they have usually less problems when connection is lost for a short time than the browser integrated downloaders(after my experience)
16:09:55 <Veixes> wichman: if there is any other work around, is out of my knowledge. Perhaps one of the PA.com guys or someone with more knowledge on the matter can supply you with any other alternative
16:10:16 <wichman> Thank you for your help :)
16:10:22 <Veixes> just to add, I use downthemall for all my downloads
16:10:47 <Veixes> try benedikt93 suggestion and give it a try
16:11:48 <wichman> I will try downthemall as well.
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17:54:55 <TimClark> Anybody Active in the channel right now ?
17:55:23 <gluxon> me? :D
17:56:22 <TimClark> I want to copy all the installers I have for portableapps from my hard drive to a flash drive and then have a way to compare ALL the md5 checksums as once, know any app that can do that gluxon ?
17:57:04 <TimClark> The point being I do NOT want to have to do them one at a time, I know how to do that.
17:57:07 <gluxon> Um.. zip it up, copy over, and winmerge?
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17:57:47 <TimClark> Winmerge does md5 checksums gluxon ?
17:58:03 <gluxon> Well, file checks, compares and sees if they're the same.
17:58:18 <gluxon> I'm not sure if it works properly on exe's.
17:58:19 <TimClark> Using what method ?
17:59:00 <gluxon> Wait, nevermind, this might work better. http://getmd5checker.com/
18:01:07 <gluxon> TimClark: Just tested it, works exactly like you need it :)
18:02:22 <TimClark> I will look into it, thanks
18:03:42 <benedikt93> TimClark: Do you want to know if the copied and the original files are the same? Then you may use TeraCopy to copy and verify them.
18:03:53 <TimClark> gluxon: does it require installation, or do you think it's fairly portable
18:04:04 <TimClark> benedikt93: link please
18:04:21 <gluxon> TimClark: No, it's 1 exe.
18:04:24 <gluxon> No, install :)
18:04:54 <benedikt93> http://www.codesector.com/teracopy.php , but it has to be installed
18:06:28 <TimClark> benedikt93: bummer, but thanks anyway
18:08:18 <TimClark> Gluxon: any system changes you can find ?
18:08:44 <gluxon> TimClark: Let me see.
18:09:39 <TimClark> Gluxon how big was your download, I got 133kb
18:09:57 <gluxon> Same here.
18:10:14 <TimClark> but the site says 308,224 bytes
18:10:53 <gluxon> That's when it's extracted.
18:11:47 <TimClark> The SHOULD give you the md5 of the download, as well as the extract :P
18:12:36 <gluxon> Okay, doesn't look like it modifys the registry.
18:12:42 <gluxon> Just ran a regshot.
18:13:16 <TimClark> But you have already run the program, doesn'
18:13:25 <TimClark> t that invalidate the regshot
18:14:01 <gluxon> .. good point
18:14:25 <TimClark> That is why your apps don't make it to release :P
18:15:31 <gluxon> Normally I run them in sandboxie :P
18:16:51 <TimClark> Passes McAfee and md5, uploading to VirusTotal and Jotti
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18:20:20 <TimClark> I am suprised that with the number of files copies that PA.c folks do that someone has not come up with a portable version of an app that can do this, one that is free and Os
18:24:57 <gluxon> I can't seem to find an OSS program that does the job :(
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19:15:49 <Pyromaniac> who the heck is frigg?
19:17:28 <marlop> fr
19:17:35 <marlop> wrong chan
19:17:41 <Pyromaniac> figured
19:19:03 <gluxon> Isn't that from Shellium? :P
19:19:15 <Pyromaniac> what?
19:19:46 <TimClark> Guys, -ot please
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20:43:15 <pa_4969> can I run portable apps on a U3? How?
20:44:07 <Pyromaniac> yes
20:44:16 <Pyromaniac> Do you mean from your menu?
20:44:49 <pa_4969> how do I set up the USB for do both?
20:45:02 <Pyromaniac> you can run PortableApps from any flash drive, but you need to do some stuff if you want it on your U3 Menu?
20:45:15 <Pyromaniac> easy
20:45:36 <pa_4969> how?
20:45:47 <Pyromaniac> just install the Portableapps.com Menu to your Root directory (like E:\ or F:\
20:46:12 <pa_4969> That's it?
20:46:17 <Pyromaniac> yep
20:46:24 <Pyromaniac> and you will have the PortableApps menu and the U3 menu
20:46:54 <pa_4969> thanks and have a great day
20:47:01 <Pyromaniac> you too!
20:47:07 <pa_4969> bye
20:47:11 <Pyromaniac> bye
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22:10:37 <pa_2211> hey!
22:10:45 <pa_2211> i need help!
22:10:46 <Pyromaniac> hey
22:10:48 <Pyromaniac> ok
22:10:57 <pa_2211> you can speak spanish?
22:11:03 <Pyromaniac> si
22:11:07 <pa_2211> hola
22:11:07 <Pyromaniac> soy parte mexicano
22:11:12 <Pyromaniac> por lado de mi mama
22:11:16 <pa_2211> ah ke bn me alegra amigo
22:11:18 <pa_2211> amigo
22:11:27 <pa_2211> sabes como cambiar de fondo el portable app
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22:11:39 <Pyromaniac> en que parte
22:11:42 <Pyromaniac> App?
22:11:46 <pa_2211> eske por hay aparecen imagenes i cosas asi pero pss no se como colocarlas espera ya te envio la pagina
22:11:58 <pa_2211> http://usb.smithtech.us/themes/pam/women/index.php
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22:11:59 <GizmoBot> sar3th is currently busy studying, but he thinks scout is delicious...
22:12:01 <Pyromaniac> ok
22:12:01 <pa_2211> mira esa pagina
22:12:33 <TimClark> Pyromaniac: english only please
22:12:38 <pa_2211> ok
22:12:39 <TimClark> take it to PM if it's going to be in spanish only
22:12:45 <Pyromaniac> perdon, pero mi internet es muy despacio aqui
22:12:46 <TimClark> and be sure you can actually help him
22:12:51 <pa_2211> sorry
22:13:00 <Pyromaniac> ok
22:13:04 <Pyromaniac> yeah
22:13:16 <pa_2211> so.... what do?
22:14:24 <Pyromaniac> look at the little rectangle at the top of the chat box
22:14:27 <Pyromaniac> it says "Pyromaniac"
22:14:29 <Pyromaniac> click it
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22:15:26 <vf2nsr1> Wow I left ?
22:15:40 <Pyromaniac> I think its a zombie
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22:18:49 <TimClark> vf2nsr1 vf2nsr if you leave again please /join #portableapps-ot and don't join this channel until you are stable please
22:19:43 <vf2nsr> HUH? I am stable now had a hiccup on Pidgin so went back to chatzilla
22:19:57 <vf2nsr> TimClark: There an issue I should be aware of?
22:20:33 <TimClark> As I said "IF" you leave/die/disconnect , I realize it is beyond your control, it just keeps the channel clean
22:20:33 <TimClark> vf2nsr: not sure what you mean
22:21:59 <Pyromaniac> TimClark: he's wondering why your mad at him
22:22:39 <TimClark> I am not mad at him
22:22:40 <TimClark> Sometimes folks are "unstable" for a very long time and /part/quit and join over and over again, in those cases it is best to go to an inactive channel until they are stable
22:33:17 <Pyromaniac> ok, so the guy wants to know where the PAM theme template is, but my internet is not running fast enough to find it
22:33:29 <Pyromaniac> I know one of the members here has a site with it
22:33:41 <Pyromaniac> and I cant find it
22:33:53 <Pyromaniac> GizmoBot told me
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23:37:36 <Pyromaniac> anyone know how to swap themes in 1.6.1 Menu?
23:37:45 <Pyromaniac> Its not under "options"
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23:40:26 <Gizmokid2005> you can't Pyromaniac, not via the menu
23:40:45 <Gizmokid2005> Pyromaniac: http://ptc.kain-planet.de/
23:41:16 <Gizmokid2005> Pyromaniac: essentially this: http://ptc.kain-planet.de/tutorial.php
23:41:26 <Pyromaniac> no wonder I couldn't help!
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