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00:50:01 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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02:05:58 <vf2nsr> http://portableapps.com/node/23907 MIght want to take a look ChrisMorgan
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02:07:01 <vf2nsr> and http://portableapps.com/node/23598#new
02:07:48 <vf2nsr> http://portableapps.com/node/23907 MIght want to take a look ChrisMorgan
02:09:16 <ChrisMorgan> Yep, I was just dealing with those.
02:09:22 <ChrisMorgan> Thanks :-)
02:10:17 <vf2nsr> np sir I was just reviewing new posts and noticed them, sorry If I bothered you
02:10:44 <vf2nsr> I be quite just sitting here updating and reading on python
02:11:32 <ChrisMorgan> A good topic to read up on :-)
02:11:33 <vf2nsr> quite=quiet
02:12:02 <ChrisMorgan> What in particular are you reading about? The language in general, GUI toolkits, web frameworks, other?
02:12:11 <vf2nsr> trying to figure out the webrowser control
02:12:33 <ChrisMorgan> In what? wxPython? PyQt? Other UI toolkit?
02:12:43 <vf2nsr> http://docs.python.org/library/webbrowser.html so I can modify it maybe to work on a pal drive
02:13:08 <vf2nsr> instead of loading host computer default browser
02:14:00 <vf2nsr> its is that or to write a bat file to load PA browser
02:14:33 <ChrisMorgan> Ah.
02:15:05 <vf2nsr> the author of the program I am working with uses that default script
02:15:16 <vf2nsr> so I looking a way to change it :)
02:18:19 <ChrisMorgan> Is it only used in one place?
02:18:28 <vf2nsr> also looking at teh config.ini to see if I can change it there
02:21:46 <vf2nsr> not sure let me show you what I am talking about http://tinypaste.com/84e3a
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02:27:21 <vf2nsr> that make sense now ChrisMorgan
02:28:00 <ZachThibeau> howdy JohnTHaller
02:28:12 <ZachThibeau> how was the food
02:28:41 <JohnTHaller> hi
02:28:46 <JohnTHaller> twas good. czech. and beer.
02:29:47 <ZachThibeau> good that you enjoyed it then
02:31:12 <JohnTHaller> indeed. now back to releases :-)
02:31:21 <ZachThibeau> awesome then :)
02:33:02 <ChrisMorgan> vf2nsr: just checked out the code, used in three files. GIcon.py uses it to run mailto: links (on Windows), so the mail client will be opened (unless the browser invoked handles it otherwise)
02:34:07 <vf2nsr> tyvm will note that and look at in morning about time to turn in here
02:34:16 <vf2nsr> appreciuate assistance
02:34:24 <ChrisMorgan> And it can handle a bit of registering of browsers too.
02:34:40 <JohnTHaller> ZachThibeau: Perl isn't in the current PChat pr
02:35:04 <ChrisMorgan> The BROWSER environment variable could be something like chrome;firefox and it'd then try to run chrome, then firefox, then the default, I think.
02:35:29 <vf2nsr> yup that what I was thinking
02:35:40 <ZachThibeau> it should be John it's in the App/PChat/plugins under the name of xcperl.dll
02:35:44 <ChrisMorgan> (GMain.py, method fixWebBrowser)
02:36:12 <JohnTHaller> ZachThibeau: I thought you meant the perl addon itself was included. Guessing it is not, right?
02:36:36 <vf2nsr> great got that open now so looking
02:36:39 <ZachThibeau> no I meant the actual perl plugin, sorry for the misunderstanding
02:37:04 <ChrisMorgan> Then GBase.py has webbrowser.open(url, self.get_gconfig()["browser_action"]) - the second parameter is just to do with new window, new tab or default.
02:37:07 <JohnTHaller> Ah ok. Our Perl addon is outdated then, right? We;'re at 5.10.1.
02:37:36 <ZachThibeau> yeah
02:37:50 <vf2nsr> so it looks like many files would need modifing :(
02:38:12 <ChrisMorgan> vf2nsr: in short, if you want to register another browser, you'd need to make a new class, which could extend webbrowser.Mozilla, and register it in that method fixWebBrowser or thereabouts.
02:38:20 <JohnTHaller> ZachThibeau: Are we using ActiveState or Strawberry, I can't recall
02:38:43 <ZachThibeau> active state perl and here is the link for the zip x86 binary http://downloads.activestate.com/ActivePerl/releases/5.10.1.1007/ActivePerl-5.10.1.1007-MSWin32-x86-291969.zip
02:38:57 <vf2nsr> ah ok then I got to figure out how to call the one loaded for PAL this may not be worth it after all :(
02:39:29 <ChrisMorgan> vf2nsr: it'd be fairly straightforward code, I think, and could be a useful module to have as it could be easily made generic and applied then to any Python program using the webbrowser module.
02:39:53 <JohnTHaller> ZachThibeau: Ah, then we're not out of date
02:39:58 <vf2nsr> ChrisMorgan: for you maybe for me complex
02:40:30 <ChrisMorgan> It'd be the sort of thing we could also have cooperation from John with the Platform in - some environment variable to indicate the path to the portable web browser the user wishes to have as default.
02:41:05 <ZachThibeau> JohnTHaller: yeah you could say that, mind you the perl plugin also only works with the current version of perl it was compiled on in this case the link I gave you
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02:41:43 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: What's being discussed re: The Platform
02:42:00 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: default portable browser path environment variable
02:42:06 <vf2nsr> well this is a bit to digest tonight falling asleep here at keyboard appreciate all your help will look more at it tomorrow thanks ChrisMorgan
02:42:06 <ChrisMorgan> Could be useful for later.
02:42:16 <ChrisMorgan> vf2nsr: I'll try to put together a script for you
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02:42:27 <vf2nsr> ok ChrisMorgan|lunc thanks
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02:42:38 <JohnTHaller> Ah. It won't be needed with the platform, technically. The 2.0 final will have file associations built in and enabled by default, so just launching the standard browser will get you the portable one.
02:43:20 <ZachThibeau> sounds cool :)
02:46:14 <gluxon> JohnTHaller: Did you read my post about 5 hours ago?
02:47:46 <JohnTHaller> no what was ity
02:49:24 <JohnTHaller> ZachThibeau: WHere is the PChat source?
02:49:29 <gluxon> (4:58:48 PM) gluxon: JohnTHaller: If it's not pushing it, could we do the official Eclipse Portable release on that day?
02:49:42 <JohnTHaller> whast day is itt?
02:50:28 <gluxon> The release for 3.6, Helios. June 23rd.
02:50:32 <ZachThibeau> ohh sorry JohnTHaller it's still on my computer and also on my svn, I'll clean up my local copy and zip it up
02:51:15 <JohnTHaller> Ok. I need it to do the release. I'm a stickler for GPL compliance.
02:51:52 <ZachThibeau> no problems ziping it up and uploading it to sf.net
02:51:58 <JohnTHaller> gluxon: Yeah, I think that's a good idea. And I should be around for it. If you do the heavy lifting and package it all up, I think we should be good to go.
02:52:45 <JohnTHaller> ZachThibeau: Ok, lemme know when it's up and I'll grab it and announce the release
02:52:59 <ZachThibeau> sure thing
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02:56:28 <ZachThibeau> ok uploading now, may take a couple of min's due to my sluggish connection :/
02:56:36 <JohnTHaller> tis ok
02:56:51 <JohnTHaller> btw - I finally updated the app directory to add the new security category and ditch OSes
02:57:23 <ZachThibeau> should get fiber optic connection soon, it's supported where I live :D 60mp/s download :) and cool
02:57:51 <JohnTHaller> I'd buy it if I could. I have the fastest I can get 30 down / 1 up. US$90 a month.
02:58:33 <ZachThibeau> ouch our price for what the package I mentioned was $60 per month and I thought that was expensive
02:59:49 <JohnTHaller> Joys of NYC. Only one provider goes above 5 down. No competition = overpriced
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03:00:01 <gluxon> JohnTHaller: Sweet, thanks :)
03:00:06 <ZachThibeau> I suppose so
03:00:50 <ChrisMorgan> I'm not convinced that Eclipse Portable is ready for release in its current state (in particular the launcher). Last time I went over it I made quite a few changes, I'd like to go over it again. And also see how it'd go with PAL.
03:01:10 <gluxon> ChrisMorgan: Okay, I'll pastebin EclipsePortable.nsi
03:01:25 <ChrisMorgan> Thanks.
03:01:28 <JohnTHaller> I thought it was just a single registry key issue and we have no other apps using that same key yet
03:01:28 <ZachThibeau> anyways PChat seems to be getting out there, already it's listed at http://b0at.tx0.org/xchat/ and also at ircresource.info too :)
03:01:39 <gluxon> Last time you saw it was when it was still using Labels :P
03:01:43 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: I'm meaning the whole launcher.
03:04:41 <JohnTHaller> ZachThibeau: Where's my source? :-P
03:04:48 <ZachThibeau> it's still uploading :P
03:04:54 <JohnTHaller> eta?
03:04:56 <ZachThibeau> 74%
03:05:04 <ZachThibeau> I say about 1-2 more minutes and it's ready
03:05:44 <ZachThibeau> assumming my wifi doesn't give out :S
03:06:19 <gluxon> http://pastebin.org/341314
03:06:47 <ZachThibeau> anyways I did some more work to the PChat gtk tray and I seriously think it's an issue with gtk on the win32 platform as my 64bit compile of PChat using the gtk 64bit library it works perfectly
03:07:08 <ZachThibeau> D: upload just reset itself
03:07:56 <ZachThibeau> thats it I'm just going to upload it to my ftp
03:08:39 <ZachThibeau> it's uploading faster than sf.net is currently achieving atm
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03:10:30 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: thinking along the Eclipse lines, we should have a JDK Portable installer. It should be practically the same as Java Portable, just a different download URL and MD5 checksum, I think. Same install directory, JDK includes JRE so it'll do instead of Java Portable for "normal" Java apps.
03:11:26 <JohnTHaller> It isn't. We can't do a live installer for JDK as it can't be extracted properly.
03:11:37 <JohnTHaller> And we don't have permission to do a full repackage.
03:11:40 <ChrisMorgan> Oh :-(
03:11:47 <JohnTHaller> Otherwise we'd already have one
03:11:54 <gluxon> :'(
03:12:07 <ChrisMorgan> In that case, I think we should stall Eclipse Portable completely until we can have it, some way or other.
03:12:14 <gluxon> O_O
03:12:25 <gluxon> Stall Eclipse Portable for JDK? O_o
03:12:30 <JohnTHaller> We can do a copy from local installer for it for peeps who need it
03:12:45 <gluxon> Like the Java Portablizer?
03:12:50 <ChrisMorgan> gluxon: it *depends* on it. If you can't install it properly, it's rather broken.
03:13:16 <JohnTHaller> eclips only needs the jdk if you are coding java. anything else, it's ok
03:13:56 <ZachThibeau> 46% uploading to sf.net
03:14:19 <ChrisMorgan> I imagine most people are going to be using it as a Java IDE rather than an "anything else" IDE. Would I be incorrect in that imagination?
03:14:28 <ZachThibeau> 51%, it's looks like it's finally picking up steam
03:14:53 <ChrisMorgan> gluxon: as well as cleanup of old and redundant code so far, I've found one real bug; System::Call 'Kernel32::SetEnvironmentVariableA(t, t) i("PATH"", "$0").r0'
03:15:13 <gluxon> What's wrong with it? :(
03:15:45 <ChrisMorgan> "PATH""
03:15:55 <gluxon> Oh, two quotes?
03:16:01 <ChrisMorgan> Meaning your setting of the PATH for MinGW won't have been working.
03:16:34 <gluxon> Doesn't matter though, Helios is the first release of Eclipse that actually starts looking for MinGW in Path.
03:16:37 <ZachThibeau> 56% John
03:16:55 <gluxon> Okay, thanks Chris, fixed.
03:17:26 <ChrisMorgan> Using GetFullPathName for $MINGWPATH and $JAVAPATH when they're relative will be buggy, I think, as it will be relative to the working directory. When launched from the Platform, this will be OK, but anywhere else and it may not.
03:18:03 <ZachThibeau> 68% :D
03:18:58 <gluxon> ChrisMorgan: So would it be better to just have ReplaceUpDir.nsh?
03:19:16 <ZachThibeau> 78% almost there
03:19:32 <ChrisMorgan> Personally I'd be inclined to just require ..\MinGWPortable and ..\CommonFiles\Java.
03:20:25 <ZachThibeau> 85%
03:20:39 <ZachThibeau> the wait is killing me D:
03:20:49 <gluxon> I'd like to give the user a choice though. I wouldn't personallyy enjoy having those two paths stuck.
03:21:05 <ChrisMorgan> Really, those paths are /good for you/.
03:21:20 <ZachThibeau> gluxon: I would have to agree with Chris on this one
03:21:53 <ZachThibeau> I'm getting Code::Blocks to follow the same route, it just makes it easier in the long run
03:22:02 <ChrisMorgan> WriteINIStr "$PROGRAMDIRECTORY\configuration\.settings\org.eclipse.ui.ide.prefs" "${NAME}" "YouShouldNotSeeThis" "IfYouDoThatsBad" !?!?
03:22:16 <JohnTHaller> Just inlcude MinGW in your package. And require Java Portable
03:22:19 <gluxon> .. lol, I didn't think I still had that in there :P
03:22:21 <ChrisMorgan> When then followed by FileOpen $0 "$PROGRAMDIRECTORY\configuration\.settings\org.eclipse.ui.ide.prefs" w that's utterly unnecessary :-/
03:22:43 <gluxon> Hey, it works.. lol :P
03:22:43 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: MinGW is pretty big, and has uses of its own outside Eclipse, e.g. Code::Blocks.
03:22:47 <ZachThibeau> ok JohnTHaller just 1 more minute 98%
03:23:01 <ChrisMorgan> Keeping sar3th|away's MinGW Portable as a separate package is a Good Plan.
03:23:22 <ZachThibeau> ok uploaded sf.net is just getting it on to the mirrors now
03:23:27 <gluxon> I'd like to have it separate. Not all of us who use Eclipse Portable will need it too.
03:24:49 <ZachThibeau> JohnTHaller: http://sourceforge.net/projects/pchatirc/files/pchatirc/Source%20for%20PChat%201.1/PChat11.7z/download
03:24:53 <JohnTHaller> alread got it
03:24:59 <ZachThibeau> awesome
03:25:54 <JohnTHaller> and uploaded
03:26:00 <JohnTHaller> and posted: http://portableapps.com/news/2010-06-18_-_pchat_portable_1.1
03:26:14 <ChrisMorgan> gluxon: for example, you have the path to NSIS Portable fixed. Requiring the best structure is by far the easiest, it should be applied to MinGW and Java too.
03:26:26 <ZachThibeau> excellent :D
03:26:29 <gluxon> ChrisMorgan: No I don't.
03:26:41 <gluxon> The user can change the NSIS Portable dir within the GUI :/
03:26:41 <ChrisMorgan> StrCpy $NSISPATH "$PARENTDIRECTORY\NSISPortable\App\NSIS"
03:26:52 <ChrisMorgan> Sure, but its initial value is fixed.
03:27:02 <ChrisMorgan> Likewise with MinGW I believe they can change it in the GUI?
03:27:21 <gluxon> Line 226 - 229
03:27:39 <ChrisMorgan> There's still a lot of code duplication between first and subsequent runs. I'm cutting it all down as much as I can.
03:27:42 <gluxon> ChrisMorgan: No, it can't do that locally either.
03:27:50 <gluxon> Nor can it with Java Portable :P
03:27:56 <ZachThibeau> JohnTHaller: I'm going to remove the note about the language switching as it now is supported via the platform, is that ok with you
03:28:26 <JohnTHaller> Sure
03:28:58 <gluxon> ChrisMorgan: To fix the GetFullPath issue, couldn't we just do SetoutPath "$EXEDIR" ?
03:29:16 <ChrisMorgan> I like to avoid changing the working directory if possible.
03:29:54 <gluxon> Why? What's wrong with it? We have almost all the launchers setting it to $PLUGINSDIR :P
03:30:11 <ChrisMorgan> No, we most certainly do not.
03:33:19 <ZachThibeau> brb
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03:36:45 <ChrisMorgan> gluxon: more improvements/fixes after our family Bible readings.
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03:38:51 <gluxon> ChrisMorgan: Thanks, but it's 11:38 down here and I just about have to go. Could you memoserv me? Thanks. :)
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03:57:12 <ZachThibeau> anyways I'm going to hit the hay
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03:57:47 <ZachThibeau> night everyone
03:57:49 <JohnTHaller> gnight zach
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04:10:57 <AppGuy> JohnTHaller, great job cranking out all these updates
04:11:02 <JohnTHaller> thanks
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04:24:41 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: Did you say you had a launcher.ini for ConvertAll already?
04:24:43 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: one thing which might be remotely worth while thinking about is that PChat 1.1 is using a new theme (non-native look) due to the wimp GTK theme being broken for the GTK version he's updated to. Thus the screenshot is out of date.
04:25:01 <JohnTHaller> Ah ok. I'll take a look.
04:25:05 <ChrisMorgan> I did, I'll get it to you soon... just got to help my younger brother put a tube back on his bike.
04:25:33 <JohnTHaller> Ok. I'm updating all those out of date ones and if it's already done it'll save me the time.
04:25:50 <JohnTHaller> Debating between staying up late and finishing or doing it tomorrow morning
04:25:57 <ChrisMorgan> If there are any I can help with, please tell me them and I can do them too.
04:26:48 <JohnTHaller> Nearly all are pretty straight forward. Just the time to recompile the launcher, sign it, package the installer, sign it, upload, etc.
04:26:57 <JohnTHaller> Did I give you release access on SF?
04:38:22 <ChrisMorgan> Back. You did, or at least I can upload files, but I don't have the digital signature so you'd still need to do that bit.
04:38:44 <JohnTHaller> Yeah.
04:38:56 <ChrisMorgan> (Unless you wanted to give me the digital signature, but I'd quite understand you not wanting to and expect it too.)
04:39:04 <JohnTHaller> Actually, you could help me out by doing the source releases for the apps waiting to go (cept DVDStyler, which I am doing now).
04:40:01 <ChrisMorgan> Sure, I could do that. Even if I disagree with your interpretation of the GPL on that point :D
04:40:11 <JohnTHaller> Disagree how?
04:40:42 <ChrisMorgan> A three year guarrantee that it'll be available is good enough; keep one copy of it, tell them it's available there, and if that were to go down, then on request you can give them your own personal copy.
04:41:03 <JohnTHaller> According to the FSF's own FAQ, we have to host it.
04:41:10 <ChrisMorgan> That is how I have read the GPL, I've gone through it very carefully to decide that the common perspective that you need to host it yourself is wrong.
04:41:29 <ChrisMorgan> I know that but it doesn't mesh with the text of the GPL. There's nothing saying you can't do that though so we're all still happy :-)
04:41:43 <JohnTHaller> It makes complete sense to require hosting the source
04:41:45 <ChrisMorgan> Personally I'd do it with the SourceForge interactive shell and wget... then I don't need to download and reupload.
04:42:16 <ChrisMorgan> Not sure about that. Possibly. But I don't think it matches what the GPL text requires. Let's not get into an argument about that though :P
04:42:46 <JohnTHaller> If the FSF says to do it, their word is law. It's their contract.
04:43:28 <ChrisMorgan> I'm not sure about that. That's merely explanation of the GPL, the actual text of the GPL is what matters...
04:44:37 <JohnTHaller> It can be interpreted multiple ways in multiple countries. Different ways. But if the FSF, the creators of the GPL, say that it's supposed to mean this, it makes the most sense to take them at their word. Hosting binaries and not source is unfair to upstream.
04:44:56 * ChrisMorgan shrugs
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05:46:30 <JohnTHaller> gnight all. the releases will be finished in the am
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07:33:58 <ChrisMorgan> What portable browsers do we currently have: Firefox, Google Chrome official, and in development Iron, Arora, QtWeb and Midora; any that I've missed?
07:34:29 <ChrisMorgan> *Midori
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07:53:38 <ChrisMorgan> Why does it always happen this way... I went to fix up a couple of minor problems in the development/test table and ended up processing the queue even though I'd meant to leave it alone... *sigh*
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09:00:57 <Osmosis> N E 1 alive?
09:01:26 <Osmosis> <--- Can't seem to install CCleaner. Help?
09:15:11 <Osmosis> Nevermind. I think I got the hang of it.
09:16:31 <Osmosis> Download the slim version of Piriform installers/or zip file, change destination folder to USB portableapps folder. Unlug, replug USB, hide uninstallers from menu, all done.
09:17:05 <Osmosis> did I get that right?
09:20:16 <ChrisMorgan> Osmosis: there's a portable version in development testing. It'll work properly with the Platform.
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09:27:27 <Osmosis> Yeah, I tried that one. Kept trying to DL a version, then gave me a "could find ccleaner.exe" error
09:28:04 <Osmosis> They seem to be working just fine with the way I installed them.
09:37:50 <Osmosis> Hrm, nope. Tried it on another PC, CCleaner works, Speccy works, but Recuva and Defraggler don't seem to respond at all. The menu icon is also missing for the ones that don't work.
09:43:27 <Osmosis> Ok, so I'll have to wait. Thanks anyhow...
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11:02:43 <ChrisMorgan> There, got a script for vf2nsr to make Python apps that use webbrowser use a portable browser if possible.
11:08:01 <ChrisMorgan> Fascinating. Brackets break the DisplayVersion as StrReplace can't cope with an empty replacement string!
11:08:30 <ChrisMorgan> Presumably it shoves it along by the-length-of-that-string characters...
11:14:30 * ChrisMorgan tries to work out if there really /is/ such an *enormous* bug in Eclipse Portable or if his eyes are playing tricks on him
11:15:40 <ChrisMorgan> As far as I can tell, the version of the Eclipse Portable launcher I'm working with now has *never* worked with a portable installation of Java.
11:17:01 <ChrisMorgan> If Java isn't found, it assigns the value that it "should be" (the default), and runs it with -vm "$JAVAPATH". If Java *is* found earlier, it runs it /without/ the -vm parameter and so Eclipse never smells the slightest trace of a portable installation of Java.
11:17:55 <ChrisMorgan> Yep, it really was that bad. Eww.
11:20:43 <ChrisMorgan> Sorry gluxon, but I'm definitely recommending Eclipse Portable to get thoroughly tested now before going official. That's two bugs I would classify as critical I've found and fixed in it. And that means I don't think it'll be going out on the 23rd.
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11:53:57 <ChrisMorgan> Arg! This StrRep bug (or is it an NSIS bug?) is (a) elusive to pin down and (b) silly. I'm giving up and just using WordReplace which Works.
11:55:13 <ChrisMorgan> Wait, I've got it. Deleting the /last character/ of a string with StrReplace breaks.
12:05:20 <ChrisMorgan> *whew* all fixed
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12:17:11 <ChrisMorgan> OK, all done for tonight. Goodnight.
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16:00:51 <neomanna> hi there
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16:37:21 <dabossbv> ich bin jetzt erstmal weg
16:37:28 <dabossbv> bis später
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18:16:12 <AppGuy> you might want to check the warzone portable update which has the songbird logo
18:17:30 <JohnTHaller> fixed
18:28:23 <Gringoloco> JohnTHaller: Did you ac tually consider using 7z.exe v9.14 beta in PAI, http://portableapps.com/node/23741
18:28:51 <JohnTHaller> Nope. Didn't want to use the beta. So I switched it to PLUGINSDIR for now
18:29:24 <JohnTHaller> Which I later realized was a mistake, so I'm gonna switch it back and just leave it as is.
18:35:04 <JohnTHaller> Think it's worth it to go to the beta?
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18:39:30 <temp4746> JohnTHaller: I found the bug
18:39:34 <temp4746> in audacity portable
18:39:54 <temp4746> http://portableapps.com/node/23919
18:41:28 <temp4746> JohnTHaller?
18:41:35 <JohnTHaller> yes
18:41:43 <JohnTHaller> So once you changed that, does it work for you?
18:41:49 <temp4746> Yep
18:42:03 <JohnTHaller> odd that it works for me under the exact same conditions
18:42:11 <temp4746> Strange
18:42:42 <temp4746> Check Audacitys settings and see if it says System under language
18:43:00 <JohnTHaller> right. but system for you should be english
18:43:18 <temp4746> System in my computer means Hebrew
18:43:27 <temp4746> There are mutiple locale settings in windows
18:43:35 <JohnTHaller> you said it was english but hebrew non-unicode
18:43:52 <temp4746> ?
18:44:17 <JohnTHaller> you said windows was in english. but you said locale to hebrew for non-unicode apps
18:44:36 <JohnTHaller> I did the exact same thing and it came up in english as expected
18:44:49 <temp4746> Well there are 3 locale related settings in Windows
18:45:31 <temp4746> Date and time formats, Location, non-unicode locale... Audacity uses one of there for System... and it does this when Langauge is not set in its Audacity.cfg
18:45:36 <temp4746> meaning blank
18:45:41 <JohnTHaller> date and time formats don't affect this
18:45:53 <JohnTHaller> odd
18:46:07 <JohnTHaller> anyway, looks like I know the fix now, thanks. I'll post a revision
18:46:14 <temp4746> :)
18:46:35 <temp4746> Windows is weird, who knows where
18:46:44 <temp4746> Audacity finds its System language
18:48:06 <temp4746> thanks john for bearing with me :P
18:48:21 <JohnTHaller> thanks for helping figure it out :)
18:48:31 <temp4746> Youre welcome :)
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18:52:24 <JohnTHaller> So with Default=en and DefaultIfNotExists=en it works properly, temp4746?
18:52:40 <temp4746> Yep
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18:56:27 <pa_1685> help
18:57:47 <pa_1685> None of the apps launch on my friend's notebook running XP, yet they launch on all other computers I have used. What could be the issue?
19:02:34 <JohnTHaller> Is it a work laptop?
19:03:49 <pa_1685> No
19:04:19 <JohnTHaller> what happnes if you try and download a portable app to the desktop, run it and just install it to the desktop directory and then try and run the app
19:05:09 <pa_1685> I have not ried that.
19:06:19 <pa_1685> It appears that there is something preventing running any apps from a removeable drive.
19:06:46 <JohnTHaller> Windows can be set to disallow that. It's generally only done on corporate laptops, which is why I asked if it was a work laptop
19:08:18 <pa_1685> It was used in a corporate network at one point.
19:08:38 <JohnTHaller> That's probably why. It was set to disallow removable drive EXEs
19:08:47 <pa_1685> Is there anyway to change this?
19:09:04 <JohnTHaller> I can't recall offhand. It's a system group policy setting somewhere
19:09:43 <pa_1685> OK. I will have to research this online.
19:10:00 <pa_1685> Thanks.
19:10:10 <JohnTHaller> You're welcome
19:15:17 <Gringoloco> JohnTHaller: Quote: 'Think it's worth it to go to the beta?'
19:16:21 <Gringoloco> I think we probably do not need to support forreign characters at all, since some/alot of apps wouldn't support it their selfs, anyway
19:16:40 <JohnTHaller> true
19:18:29 <Gringoloco> The way it's setup now could potentially break the installer when a user has a username containing these chars (%USERPROFILE%)
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20:10:22 <AppGuy> alright, ive started warzone 2100 portable 2.3.1 three times and each time it crashed right after the splash screen
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20:17:53 <AppGuy> JohnTHaller, looks like openal32.dll is corrupt or something since when i run warzone with and without the launcher it crashes and without the launcher it gives a bad image error
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20:30:38 <temp4746> JohnTHaller: Will you do the Audacity Rev today?
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