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01:33:12 <GizmoBot> ...
01:33:59 <Mir> help
01:33:59 <GizmoBot> Mir: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
01:34:00 <Mir> not portable apps help but help in general
01:34:08 <Mir> i need some moral support through a horrible ordeal that is happening
01:34:30 <Mir> verizon cut me off
01:34:36 <Mir> i have no internet now
01:34:54 <Mir> i will not tell you how i am on now because
01:35:03 <Mir> its a need to know basis
01:35:08 <Mir> :)
01:35:29 <Mir> i dont know when i will get my connection back
01:35:37 <Mir> or even if i will get it back
01:36:08 <Mir> it will remain to be determended
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01:44:47 <Gizmokid2005> Mir: -ot
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02:12:52 <pa_3249> hello
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02:13:29 <sar3th> hello pa_3249, how can we help you?
02:13:33 <sar3th> -_-
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03:25:42 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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03:43:38 <pa_4783> which version of your software is win7 compatible?
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03:48:27 <Gizmokid2005> it all is pa_4783
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04:58:46 * Gringoloco hate system::call ATM
04:59:14 <ChrisMorgan> Gringoloco: why, what trouble is it giving you?
05:00:40 <Gringoloco> Test_TextFunc_NSISu.exe has encountered a problem and needs to close. We are sorry for the inconvenience.
05:01:17 <Whibo> Do u know Tim Morgan?
05:03:43 <Gringoloco> System::Call 'kernel32::WriteFile(i r2, i r5, i r6, t.,)'
05:04:00 <Gringoloco> The above is not working but should be fine
05:05:23 <ChrisMorgan> That fourth parameter should be int by the looks of it, and it's optional too. How about kernel32::WriteFile(ir2,ir5,ir6)?
05:05:54 <ChrisMorgan> Not sure exactly how optional values work, you may need ir2,ir5,ir6,n,n
05:06:37 <ChrisMorgan> What do you need kernel32::WriteFile for though rather than FileWrite?
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05:07:06 <Gringoloco> Sorry, that's even worse, the first works in some cases, but anything else doesn't work at all
05:09:29 <Gringoloco> I done the total rewrite of TextFunc.nsh, have been testing it for the past week, the trouble is in ${FileRecode}
05:10:56 <Gringoloco> Maybe I should just leave out 'CharToOem'
05:11:13 * Gringoloco does not really like giving up
05:11:55 <ChrisMorgan> Were you saying that FileWrite works in some cases?
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05:12:44 <Gringoloco> Yes, in most cases actually
05:15:08 <Gringoloco> Have a look, so you know what I'm talking about, but only if you have time for it
05:15:13 <Gringoloco> http://pastebin.com/9kiRf42w
05:20:32 <JohnTHaller> Feature test: Disable all splash screens: http://portableapps.com/node/23987
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05:24:49 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: about the "support burden"... that's why they come to us for support with the base apps /very/ often... :P
05:25:11 <ChrisMorgan> I do think we make it a lot easier to get good support than most bits of software that I've seen. And that's a good thing.
05:25:16 <JohnTHaller> I know. It's a tradeoff
05:26:44 <ChrisMorgan> What did you think of my PortableApps.comBrowser environment variable idea? Sound good? Any improvements? (Other than set it to an empty string to disable it... that's something I didn't put into the script)
05:27:35 <JohnTHaller> huh?
05:27:56 <ChrisMorgan> http://portableapps.com/node/23921
05:29:11 <JohnTHaller> ah handy
05:30:28 <ChrisMorgan> Most apps won't respect it, but we could gradually start trying to push implementations of it upstream, whether they're active search ones like my Python module or just ones that can accept the var but don't look for a portable browser otherwise.
05:31:42 <JohnTHaller> Probably unnecessary since if it calls the system to open it, we'll be covered with 2.0
05:37:16 <ChrisMorgan> Browser registration?
05:37:35 <JohnTHaller> part of the file assocations feature
05:41:05 <JohnTHaller> gnight all
05:42:22 <ChrisMorgan> G'nite
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06:17:11 <Gringoloco> ChrisMorgan: Nevermind, I got 'Fixed'
06:18:27 <Gringoloco> that reminds me, did you ever find out what the problem was with ForEachINIPair before
06:19:16 <Gringoloco> Something about the system plug-in, PrivateProfileString() and vista
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06:50:20 <pa_9367> SPAM - http://portableapps.com/node/16798#comment-152237
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08:06:25 <OneFootMan> hello
08:07:12 <OneFootMan> i have a little problem with the Portable apps suite
08:07:38 <OneFootMan> first i installed it at an usb hard drive
08:07:55 <OneFootMan> later a newer version to a usb stick
08:08:49 <OneFootMan> when i want to check my emails with thunderbird at a pc (example internet coffee
08:09:02 <OneFootMan> so that it is not my on pc)
08:09:33 <OneFootMan> it will go with the hard disk but not with the porable apps on the stick
08:10:10 <OneFootMan> on the sticks the email input files are locked
08:10:52 <OneFootMan> an the are different emailadresses
08:11:45 <OneFootMan> to these on the hard disk
08:11:57 <OneFootMan> has anbody an idea whats wrong?
08:12:35 <ChrisMorgan> Are you wanting to synchronise your USB hard drive and USB disk?
08:12:45 <OneFootMan> no
08:13:48 <OneFootMan> on the hard drive its my portable apps im using for me.... an on the stick these im use for my club
08:14:24 <OneFootMan> so that i have seperate privat from club things... also the emails
08:15:28 <OneFootMan> but the hard disk are working on every windows pc and the stick only on this pc from these i installed the stick
08:16:32 <OneFootMan> so i can go to an pc i want to check my mails with the hard disk but the thunderbird on the stick only work at the pc at home...
08:17:29 <OneFootMan> the suite on the hard disk is the version 1.5.2 and on the stick is the new 1.6. version
08:18:22 <OneFootMan> or can i download the 1.5.2 version once anywhere here??
08:20:41 <OneFootMan> @ChrisMorgan you now understanding my problem? (i´m not so good in english since i left the school for about ten years)
08:21:27 <ChrisMorgan> Sorry, I don't quite understand what your problem is. Could you please try explaining it again?
08:21:58 <OneFootMan> Okay i try it to explain it others.....
08:24:25 <OneFootMan> i´m in too clubs.... in both im an admin of the homepage from each club.... and that i can´t mixing the files from the two clubs i have a hard disk with portable apps 1.5.2 the first club and an usb stick with the portable apps 1.6 and the files for the second club
08:24:53 <OneFootMan> because i need all files at home and mobile with my netbook
08:26:16 <OneFootMan> so when i want to check the emails with the thunderbird on the usb hard disk for club1 it works at home and at the netbook
08:26:52 <OneFootMan> and anyelse other pc with windows
08:28:12 <OneFootMan> when i want to do this with the portable apps on the usb stick for the club2 i can´t check the emails only at home. at all other pcs the emailfiles are locked in the thunderbird
08:29:00 <OneFootMan> that is the problem... because when im away, i also have to check the emails from the club2 with the netbook or local pc at the clubhouse
08:29:10 <OneFootMan> or any other pc
08:29:59 <OneFootMan> now understanding what i mean??? i can´t better explain it
08:33:54 <OneFootMan> i thought it may be a change in the version 1.6.
08:34:18 <OneFootMan> so where can i get the old version 1.5.2 to try it
08:42:13 <OneFootMan> okay .. now i found the old version i try it now if the different versions are the reason
08:42:21 <OneFootMan> thank you anyway
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14:15:34 <ext_dev> hi. i'm a developer of a firefox extension, and i'm wondering if there's a hook that we can use to find out if firefox portable is running.
14:22:35 <sar3th> i am not sure, and i am not the ffp expert, but i think it's not possible
14:30:57 <Gizmokid2005> ext_dev: not really sure...the most I could give you advice on is check to see if "FirefoxPortable.exe" is running
14:31:05 <Gizmokid2005> but not sure if FF has hoks with abilities to do that or not
14:36:31 <ext_dev> ok. we'll look into that. thanks
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15:08:20 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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15:32:18 <pa_8469> help! newbie question: what is a good size usb drive to start with for the portable apps stuff?
15:32:18 <GizmoBot> pa_8469: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
15:35:11 <sar3th> pa_8469: i'd say 2gb is fine for starters, but it depends on you, how many apps you want to install, how much data you will put on it, etc
15:38:14 <pa_8469> Great! Thanks....now, where do I go to get the instructions on how to install, if I need to format first, etc. (like I said - total newbie)
15:39:10 <Gizmokid2005> pa_8469: you don't really have to do anything special
15:39:15 <Gizmokid2005> most drives come formatted
15:39:27 <Gizmokid2005> just download the platform/quite/apps/etc that you want from us and install them to the drive.
15:47:03 <pa_8469> perfect. Thanks again! Have a great day everyone! :)
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15:48:06 <sar3th> finally, a nice person :)
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17:44:59 <Simeon> Hi Gringoloco
17:45:06 <sar3th> hi Simeon
17:45:20 <Simeon> hi sareth!
17:45:33 <Gringoloco> hi Simeon, how's going
17:45:37 <Gringoloco> ?
17:45:48 <Simeon> testing the new releases :)
17:46:09 <Simeon> I must confess I know now why people started to think about changing pidgins look - the new look is boring!
17:46:33 <Simeon> I think I found a bug in peazips lang switching - will post in the forums
17:48:01 <Simeon> Will be on and off cause I have to get something to eat before the soccer game!!:-D
17:50:43 <Simeon> Anyone want to try Flightgear? I couldnt get it to work portably :(
17:51:02 * Simeon feels like Im talking to myself ;)
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17:52:38 <Simeon> hi ptmb
17:52:49 <ptmb> Hi Simeon!
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17:56:32 <Gringoloco> Sorry Simeon, I went of for a smoke ! Where to dl flightgear
17:56:50 <Simeon> http://flightgear.org/
17:58:15 <Gringoloco> Have you got a start of a launcher?
17:58:27 <Simeon> uses a launcher to launch the actual app and setting the variables. I couldnt get it to accept mine...
17:59:16 <Simeon> yes:my ini looks like this:
17:59:18 <Simeon> [Launch]
17:59:18 <Simeon> ProgramExecutable=Flightgear\bin\Win32\fgrun.exe
17:59:18 <Simeon> WorkingDirectory=%PAL:AppDir%\Flightgear
17:59:18 <Simeon> LaunchAppAfterSplash=true
17:59:18 <Simeon> SinglePortableAppInstance=true
17:59:19 <Simeon> HideCommandLineWindow=false
17:59:19 <Simeon> [Environment]
17:59:20 <Simeon> FG_ROOT=%PAL:AppDir%\Flightgear\data
18:00:16 <Gringoloco> Doesn't it have to deal with %AppData% anymore?
18:03:50 <Simeon> it stores its settings in C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\Simeon\Anwendungsdaten\flightgear.org\ but the way I understood it, I canredirect a variable to get it to work.
18:04:21 <Simeon> But redirecting didnt work. Maybe the good old backup, run, restore method could work. Didnt test it though
18:05:11 <Gringoloco> As long as the folder isn't to big in size, it should do the trick
18:05:42 <Simeon> ok
18:06:11 <Simeon> maybe Iill give it another try later this week or do you want to have a new project?
18:07:10 <Gringoloco> Is the variable FG_ROOT or FG_HOME ?
18:07:31 <Simeon> it has both
18:07:42 <Gringoloco> No, sorry, no new projects for me (please).
18:07:52 <Simeon> ok - then Ill retry
18:08:14 <Simeon> youre busy as is with NSIS and such helping all of us to come along better in the future!
18:08:35 <Gringoloco> I would have been willing to help if the installer wouldn't be so big to download (298MB)
18:09:39 <Gringoloco> As-well I went to live with my girl-friend, and she does need some attention as-well
18:10:13 <Simeon> yes - its big.
18:16:00 <Simeon> bye all
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18:22:53 <sar3th> take good care of her Gringoloco :)
18:23:56 <Gringoloco> Thanx sar3th
18:25:06 <Gringoloco> I will do
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18:47:04 <DMK> Anyone familiar with PopPeeper?
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18:49:28 <DMK> Would anyone know why the mail client PopPeeper was dropped from the Portable Apps web site? It is still available on other portable app sites and seems to work fine for me.
18:49:57 <Gizmokid2005> PopPeeper was never officially listed on PortableApps.com DMK
18:50:15 <DMK> Really? I actually got my first copy from there - seriously.
18:50:22 <Gizmokid2005> really DMK
18:50:27 <Gizmokid2005> not from us you didn't
18:50:31 <Gizmokid2005> maybe from beta testing
18:50:35 <Gizmokid2005> but not from the official app list
18:50:39 <ZachThibeau> I've been at portableapps.com for 4 years and we never had it officially listed
18:50:45 <DMK> Hmmm... OK then, thanks.
18:51:42 <DMK> You may want to consider it. Seems to work fine for me. I recently went looking to see if there were any updates. I did locate it at another site and on their own site of course.
18:53:03 <Gizmokid2005> post a request in the request apps forum DMK
18:53:12 <DMK> Thanks. Will do
18:53:27 <DMK> signing off IRC
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21:01:11 <Gringoloco> Ok, I reall
21:01:33 <Gringoloco> I really feel I have to metion this now...
21:02:29 <Gringoloco> If any dev is without something to do, please have a look at XnViewPortable's launcher...
21:03:11 <Gringoloco> The lastest fix of just adding /SILENT to the CopyFiles really is not enough !
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22:26:12 <pa_7671> Hello, I have a question regarding the legality of some of your programs.
22:28:00 <Gizmokid2005> pa_7671: ask away
22:32:47 <pa_7671> To bring up one example, Infrarecorder; I poked around in it's files and found the LAME MP3 codec in there. From what I know, it's illegal in some countries, because it violates the patent on the MP3 file format. Could you comment on this please?
22:33:34 <Gizmokid2005> Nope we can't. We don't modify the application in any way
22:33:40 <Gizmokid2005> we just repackage it's files
22:36:15 <pa_7671> You might want to look into this if this is possible.
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22:37:06 <Gizmokid2005> pa_7671: why? It's quite honestly not /our/ problem, and since we use SourceForge as our mirrors, trade laws are dealt with by them anyways.
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22:37:49 <Gizmokid2005> if it's that much of a concern pa_7671, you can use the contact page to get ahold of the project lead: http://portableapps.com/about/contact
22:38:16 <pa_7671> Aren't people in trouble by downloading programs like Infrarecorder because of this?
22:38:54 <Gizmokid2005> pa_7671: if it was a big issue like that, it's much more likely that the actual app (Infrarecorder) would have taken care of the issue long ago
22:38:59 <coder09> do you guys think a program for building themes would be useful to the community?
22:39:23 <pa_7671> I hope I am not being annoying in bringing all this up, I am just trying to be careful
22:39:58 <Gizmokid2005> coder09: I believe that John is actually working on one.
22:40:14 <Gizmokid2005> pa_7671: no worries. Just remember, if it's with the actual app, we're not the ones to talk to, the app developers are.
22:40:36 <coder09> Gizmokid2005: oh alright, i was thinking it would be a good project for me, but i do .net development or am learning anyways
22:40:50 <Gizmokid2005> don't let me discourage you coder09
22:41:02 <coder09> well im sure johns will be superior
22:41:05 <Gizmokid2005> you can make one if you'd like, but be aware, at this current time .net apps can't be made portable because of their dependency on .net
22:41:22 <coder09> oh i know it wouldnt be portable
22:41:53 <coder09> i mean technically i would make it not require installation so someone could THEORETICALLY add it to their launcher and run it so long as the pc has .net
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22:42:10 <pa_7671> To ask one more question, how would I get in contact with the Audacity team? I can't find a way to ask them these sort of questions directly
22:42:15 <Gizmokid2005> right coder09, just giving you the heads up
22:42:21 <coder09> yeah i know im aware
22:42:56 <Gizmokid2005> pa_7671: http://audacity.sourceforge.net/contact/ use that site...chances are you'll need to post in the forum
22:43:38 <coder09> Gizmokid2005: you familiar with md5 sums?
22:43:54 <Gizmokid2005> yes coder09
22:44:03 <coder09> would you want to test a small application i wrote?
22:44:37 <pa_7671> Okay, is it okay if I were to copy the contents of this chat?
22:45:27 <Gizmokid2005> sure pa_7671
22:45:31 <Gizmokid2005> coder09: what do you mean?
22:45:53 <coder09> Gizmokid2005: i wrote a small md5/sha1/sha256 generator/comparer and was looking for testers
22:46:43 <Gizmokid2005> coder09: ahh, well, I'm going to have to pass on that one
22:46:51 <coder09> alright, doesnt hurt to ask
22:47:22 <vf2nsr> ChrisMorgan: Thanks it is working so far so good on my end
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22:52:32 <ChrisMorgan> coder09: as well as winMd5sum, there's another utility in testing by one of our users, md5hash, http://portableapps.com/node/19346, which supports MD2, MD4, MD5, SHA1, SHA224, SHA256, SHA384, SHA512, CRC16, CRC32 and ADLER32
22:54:47 <coder09> ChrisMorgan: thats pretty neat. i just built it to keep learning c# and make something fo rmy own portfolio
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