IRC Log from 2010-06-24

00:15:49 <ZachThibeau> ChrisMorgan: do you mind taking a look at a screenshot of PChat with it's new tree icons and tell me what you think of it
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00:27:44 <ChrisMorgan> ZachThibeau: where?
00:28:04 <ZachThibeau> http://i50.tinypic.com/o9lh6q.png
00:28:44 <ZachThibeau> just something thats a little bit better than dots that were originally there, just need your opinion if you like them or not or is it too much
00:29:58 <ChrisMorgan> I dunno. It still doesn't give a real indication of the level like the Pidgin star for op does.
00:30:29 <ZachThibeau> but by far is it better than the dots?
00:30:37 <ChrisMorgan> Not decided yet.
00:30:52 <ChrisMorgan> I presume what you've got there is admin, op, halfop and voice?
00:31:55 <ChrisMorgan> I really don't have an opinion on it. It's different, that's all I can really commit to.
00:32:12 <ZachThibeau> in that screenshot thats what it is purple is netop aka admin, red is netstaff which is 1 lower than admin and then you have op in green and halfop is blue and yellow voice
00:32:58 <ChrisMorgan> Ah. Not heard of netstaff before.
00:33:21 <ZachThibeau> it helps to know all positions when running an ircd yourself :P
00:33:23 <ChrisMorgan> I was wondering a bit, as you had green for op before. If they're keeping the same colours, that's a good thing.
00:33:41 <ZachThibeau> I'm actually an admin on an irc server
00:34:42 <ChrisMorgan> As for better or worse... they're bigger, which for a large screen size is probably helpful but for a small size is probably not so good. Not sure about the person versus dot aspect of it.
00:35:06 <ZachThibeau> I can see some of the delema of that a little
00:36:00 <ZachThibeau> but right now it's minor at this time, my main goal is adding some new and technically some lost features to PChat ala spell check and graphical smiley support
00:37:05 <ChrisMorgan> Another thing you could try, only going as far as considering op and halfop, would be star for op and star with the right hand half semitransparent for halfop.
00:38:41 <ZachThibeau> I'll definetly keep that in mind
00:38:43 <ChrisMorgan> If using people icons it looks a bit weird if the non-promoted people... aren't people.
00:39:06 <ZachThibeau> well I'm actually torn from using tango or using something from the oxygen iconset
00:39:50 <ChrisMorgan> Also admin and op aren't intrinsically linked as far as I can tell - an admin may be op or may not be?
00:40:37 <ChrisMorgan> Just looking at how Mibbit does it, it puts a key for admin and a star for op, over on the right hand side of the username (inline, not block)
00:40:47 <ZachThibeau> actually no op and admin are 2 different things, admins have higher privvies such as juping services restarting servers kill usersnames from the server altogether etc
00:41:07 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, admin is a role, op is a state in a channel.
00:41:21 <ChrisMorgan> an admin will always be admin - but they can be not op in a channel?
00:41:38 <ZachThibeau> yes they can actually
00:42:26 <ZachThibeau> and actually most admins usually have the a +a or a +q which is higher than the op flags which will elevate them higher than the op in the userlist
00:44:34 <ZachThibeau> and even if you aren't techinically with those flags as long as you are logged in as admin you can still control a channel using services by kicking users via a module in atheme called sakick etc
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00:58:34 <vf2nsr> ChrisMorgan: fif you see my post about webbrowser.py?
00:58:43 <vf2nsr> fif=did
01:00:13 <ChrisMorgan> Up to you, I think.
01:00:32 <ChrisMorgan> A hard decision.
01:00:47 <vf2nsr> yup I wrote to author to see his take
01:01:14 <vf2nsr> working on looking at code to change to save config and error logs to the PA place
01:01:34 <vf2nsr> and if he wants me to rename even have a name picked out
01:01:52 <vf2nsr> but don't want to do anything to anger anyone
01:03:49 <ChrisMorgan> And /that/ is often harder than the rest.
01:04:27 <vf2nsr> what the anger or the name lol
01:04:38 <vf2nsr> or code
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01:22:05 <vf2nsr> cool never seen that before
01:37:48 <vf2nsr> ChrisMorgan: can I shoot you a quick pm?
01:39:02 <vf2nsr> or you to me?
01:42:17 <ChrisMorgan> Sure
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03:03:23 <Jak> hi all
03:04:10 <Jak> Could I install MSN Messenger on PortableApp?
03:06:24 <ZachThibeau> no it's to intergrated into windows to be made portable however we have 2 alternatives to msn (programs that will allow you to sign into the msn network that is) 1 is being Pidgin Portable which is a multi protocal instant messenger program that supports the msn protocal or there is amsn which is a messenger clone in looks that supports signing into the msn messenger protocal as well
03:08:53 <Jak> thx, how about winzip?
03:09:04 <Jak> these both are the software I use daily
03:09:23 <Jak> I want to take them to portableapp
03:10:47 <ZachThibeau> winzip is shareware, we have an alternative called 7-ZipPortable which supports zip creation and extraction also supports rar extraction as well as it's own format called the 7z format
03:12:58 <ZachThibeau> and best of all it's completely free
03:14:41 <vf2nsr> and IMHO a better program
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03:15:29 <ZachThibeau> howdy JohnTHaller
03:15:44 <JohnTHaller> hola
03:17:01 <ZachThibeau> finally dropped subdreamer that I had installed on pchat-irc.com, ported everything to wordpress posts and theme and I must say I'm glad to be finally to be rid of that horrible buggy cms
03:17:47 <JohnTHaller> wordpress is pretty solid for simple blog-ish sites
03:17:58 <JohnTHaller> I have my girlfriend on it and another couple friends now that I host
03:18:34 <ZachThibeau> and I'm importing my svn of PChat to launchpad and hopefully I can get PChat into some linux software repository and it's pretty solid as a cms too, a few plugins and a good theme it's a pretty good platform
03:20:25 <Jak> is it a portable edition of Winamp?
03:21:07 <JohnTHaller> ZachThibeau: You still cool with PChat update coming out as 1.1 Rev 2?
03:21:52 <ZachThibeau> yeah I am
03:22:01 <JohnTHaller> Ok, i'll post it tomorrow
03:22:09 <ZachThibeau> sounds good
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03:27:16 <JohnTHaller> ZachThibeau: Could you package up the full 1.1 r 2 package and host it somewhere fopr me to snag? I don't want to worry about messing something up packaging it myself
03:27:46 <ZachThibeau> sure
03:28:00 <sar3th> Jak: no, but Songbird Portable is an alternative to Winamp
03:28:01 <ZachThibeau> I'll have it ready by tomorrow and send you an email
03:28:10 <JohnTHaller> Ok cool
03:29:32 <ZachThibeau> night everyone
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03:29:36 <JohnTHaller> gnight man
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03:53:25 <GizmoBot> computerfreaker is working on KidSafe and TopOCR, and would very much like to have folks test them and give feedback
03:55:48 <computerfreaker> hey ChrisMorgan, could I talk to you for a moment? I'd like your opinion on a change I've been requested to make to Iron Portable.
03:55:49 <GizmoBot> ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: 'On Jun 21, 2010 @ 16:22 GMT' (file "/phenny/modules/tell.py", line 132, in getReminders)
03:56:21 <ChrisMorgan> Impressive.
03:56:24 <ChrisMorgan> computerfreaker: fire away
03:56:32 <computerfreaker> thanks
03:56:32 <GizmoBot> ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: 'On Jun 21, 2010 @ 16:22 GMT' (file "/phenny/modules/tell.py", line 132, in getReminders)
03:57:44 <computerfreaker> a couple of users are asking about changing the default downloads folder for Iron Portable; currently it's My Documents/Downloads. I'm not sure what to do; on one hand, the request is reasonable. On the other hand, we're not really supposed to mess with app settings unless they affect portability, and I know FFP's default download location is also My Documents\Downloads. Thoughts?
03:57:44 <GizmoBot> ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: 'On Jun 21, 2010 @ 16:22 GMT' (file "/phenny/modules/tell.py", line 132, in getReminders)
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04:03:23 <ChrisMorgan> You should be able to set the default to "let the user specify the path". I think I'd probably go with that. Then they can change it if they want?
04:04:50 <computerfreaker> yeah, I can do that. I've already looked at Iron's settings file, and it's actually a pretty simple matter to tell Iron to ask the user what downloads folder to use. The real question, I think, is "what should the default downloads folder be?" (like Firefox, Iron will create the folder if it doesn't exist, regardless of whether it asks the user for the download location or not)
04:05:36 <computerfreaker> I'm toying with the idea of using the desktop folder as the default downloads folder, but once again the "hands off" philosophy doesn't go well with that.
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07:00:24 <Gringoloco> I'm starting to worry that there isn't anybody testing the uTorrentP DT
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07:04:34 <pa_6724> Hallo, anyone around? I have a "Toucan" query
07:05:19 <pa_6724> Good morning all
07:05:26 <OliverK> morning
07:05:56 <pa_6724> Can you give me some information on "Toucan"?
07:05:59 <OliverK> sorry, I can't help you with toucan. But if you leave a note in the forums, I've sure that Steve, the developer will get back to you on that
07:06:14 <OliverK> if its a basic question, by all means ask
07:07:12 <pa_6724> That sounds good. I have 2.2 installed and I want to uninstall it - however I can't find the routine. How I do I go about uninstalling i? That's all I need to know.
07:07:21 <OliverK> oh, that's easy
07:07:31 <pa_6724> Not for me!
07:07:33 <OliverK> just delete the toucan folder :)
07:07:44 <OliverK> should be in X:\portableapps
07:07:51 <OliverK> change x to the letter of your drive
07:07:56 <pa_6724> Ok, that is really easy. I won't jigger up the works?
07:08:11 <OliverK> nope, all you do is lose everything related to toucan
07:08:26 <OliverK> if you want to update, you should be able to just install over the current folder
07:08:58 <pa_6724> Oh really? I have it on an external hard drive.
07:09:07 <OliverK> yup
07:09:34 <pa_6724> That's great. Thank you so much. I'll give it a try. Thanks again and cheers!
07:09:41 <OliverK> no problem
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10:09:33 <ChrisMorgan> Well, yesterday I let that user Paul Adam go with just removing the homepage link and signature... although he's not a bot, he's continued spamming self-promotional stuff.
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10:26:42 <Gringoloco> http://portableapps.com/node/23994#comment-152313 , is a bit suspiciouse as well
10:27:28 <Gringoloco> It's basacilly just advertising Prayaya V3, to buy
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10:30:36 <ChrisMorgan> Every article on there seems to be doing that.
10:31:19 <ChrisMorgan> But it also does give reasonable (well, ...) mention of our stuff... I'd be interested to know if the user gets paid at all by the Prayaya V3 group.
10:32:16 <Gringoloco> Reasonabilly, not sure. It's just an intruduction, which ends up in open-source not being trust worthy
10:34:37 <ChrisMorgan> I could just delete the comment and leave the user... and see if they (a) don't do it again because they're not interested in doing it, (b) take the hint or (c) continue.
10:35:15 <ChrisMorgan> A bit earlier I was just trying to work out what this Prayaya V3 software /is/. Technical details of how it works are pretty sparse.
10:35:42 <Gringoloco> I agree ! btw, did you see the date of the blogspot : Wednesday, 23 June 2010
10:36:17 <Gringoloco> I suspesct it's some thing like Ceedo
10:38:27 <ChrisMorgan> That's my best guess.
10:39:46 <Gringoloco> Anyway Portableapps is all I need, and a bit of svs
10:45:15 <ChrisMorgan> What do you reckon; should I delete the comment?
10:46:54 <Gringoloco> Give him the benefit of the doubt, and just delete the link, he's been a member for a week and five days, and this is his first comment
10:58:08 <ChrisMorgan> Thanks.
11:04:13 <Gringoloco> got to go now, bey
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11:11:09 <a-the-lex> hi!
11:11:11 <a-the-lex> :)
11:11:37 <a-the-lex> I wonder wether there is a portableapps-installer for linux, too!?
11:12:46 <a-the-lex> I'd love NOT to use windows.
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11:13:46 <a-the-lex> one alive in here?
11:17:31 <ChrisMorgan> a-the-lex: you can use almost all our apps in Wine, but there are no native Linux versions of them.
11:18:11 <a-the-lex> ChrisMorgan: I'd like using the installer in linux.
11:18:26 <ChrisMorgan> The installers will work fine in Wine, but you still need to have Wine installed.
11:18:53 <a-the-lex> lol... sure wine needs to be installed first befor using it!
11:18:57 <a-the-lex> ;)
11:19:34 <ChrisMorgan> To run the installer in Linux too.
11:19:43 <a-the-lex> k...
11:19:48 <a-the-lex> I'll try that.
11:21:00 <a-the-lex> Thanks ChrisMorgan !
11:21:06 <a-the-lex> bye!
11:21:09 <a-the-lex> o/
11:21:10 <ChrisMorgan> You're welcome; bye!
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11:24:22 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... working with PyQt there's this constant QString problem... why can't they just use proper Python Unicode strings?
11:38:40 <ChrisMorgan> Wonder what it'd look like in Windows... that'd mean getting Python and PyQt set up though... *sigh*
11:49:22 <ChrisMorgan> Amazing. It worked first time in Windows.
11:52:45 <ChrisMorgan> Less pretty in Server 2003 than Ubuntu... but both will be less pretty than on Vista or 7 where the command link button is /properly/ implemented.
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12:31:58 <Simeon> hi all
12:33:53 <Simeon> Gizmokid2005|AFK: Just read your converstion from yesterday about the infrarecorder/mp3 thing. the actual MP3 plugin comes as a separate download for that exact reason so there is no problem at all.
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15:03:00 <BeckySanderlin> Hello
15:03:08 <Gizmokid2005> hello BeckySanderlin
15:03:22 <BeckySanderlin> question: Im trying to revert back to VLC 1.0.5.
15:03:27 <BeckySanderlin> is there a way i can?
15:03:33 <BeckySanderlin> do you have those earlier files?
15:03:36 <Gizmokid2005> yes
15:03:40 <Gizmokid2005> they are on our sourceforge project page
15:03:46 <BeckySanderlin> http://sourceforge.net/projects/portableapps/files/
15:03:49 <BeckySanderlin> there ^ ?
15:03:56 <Gizmokid2005> yep
15:03:58 <BeckySanderlin> 500 error
15:04:05 <BeckySanderlin> sf ate them
15:04:17 <BeckySanderlin> have them anywhere else?
15:04:23 <Gizmokid2005> we can't fix sf unfortunately :( they've probably got an issue they're working on
15:04:24 <Gizmokid2005> nope
15:04:47 <BeckySanderlin> ok. i ll just have to wait i guess. thank
15:05:12 <Gizmokid2005> yw
15:05:25 <BeckySanderlin> do you know what is up w/ the new VLC and the font cache thing?
15:05:31 <Gizmokid2005> Nope
15:05:33 <BeckySanderlin> like.. why it continously updates
15:05:40 <Gizmokid2005> I don't use VLC very much...and haven't even run the new version
15:05:53 <BeckySanderlin> yah, me neither.. getting to be a big pain trying to watch my shows
15:06:05 <BeckySanderlin> well, i use it a great deal.. but..
15:06:18 <BeckySanderlin> now ill have to use MPlayer, which W7 does not like at all
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15:09:07 <Gizmokid2005> BeckySanderlin: http://sourceforge.net/projects/portableapps/files/VLC%20Media%20Player%20Portable/VLC%20Media%20Player%20Portable%201.0.5/VLCPortable_1.0.5.paf.exe/download
15:09:09 <Gizmokid2005> there you go
15:09:45 <BeckySanderlin> *muah*
15:09:47 <BeckySanderlin> thanks so much!!
15:09:54 <BeckySanderlin> now i can revert back..!
15:09:57 <Gizmokid2005> yw BeckySanderlin
15:10:03 <Gizmokid2005> SF has it's issues, just gotta be persistent
15:10:13 <Gizmokid2005> it's like a stubborn teenager at times
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15:52:20 <Bensawsome> nice analogy Gizmokid2005 xD
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17:10:58 <LinkSlayer64> I realize this is the portableapps "support" channel, but can I ask a non-portableapps related question?
17:12:02 <sar3th> yes, if someone knows, they will usually answer
17:12:03 <Gizmokid2005> LinkSlayer64: you can, don't expect an answer though
17:12:44 <LinkSlayer64> (its not support for other software btw) well, ok, I just wanna know, what IRC clients is anyone using?
17:12:53 <sar3th> ah
17:12:58 <sar3th> XChat it is for me
17:13:15 <Gizmokid2005> KVIrc for me
17:13:30 <LinkSlayer64> sar3th, b4 they turned shareware?
17:13:40 <Pyromaniac_> I'm using the one on the website
17:13:46 <sar3th> no, i use the shareware version, but i did not have the time to buy it yet LinkSlayer64
17:14:19 <LinkSlayer64> mkay, thanks people
17:14:34 <sar3th> LinkSlayer64: you can also give PChat a try
17:14:45 <sar3th> that's a free XChat clone maintained by ZachThibeau :)
17:14:55 <LinkSlayer64> I'd like to try pchat, but I just mean non-portable,
17:15:23 <LinkSlayer64> I'm currently using an unofficial free build of X-Chat, called X-Chat 2
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17:15:44 <sar3th> that is possible as well as far as i know LinkSlayer64, it can be used just the same way as xchat
17:17:18 <LinkSlayer64> well, yes, but, well, I dunno why, for some reason, I like to keep portable portable, and use non-portable on my machine
17:17:55 <LinkSlayer64> though maybe I will do pchat now, what I just said seems a little silly looking back at it
17:18:18 <LinkSlayer64> well, thanks for the time, and the apps!
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17:18:31 <sar3th> no, but i meant there are two editions, PChat and PChat Portable
17:18:33 <sar3th> :(
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18:07:13 <pa_0529> hello
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18:07:54 <pa_0529> could anybody help me with some questions regarding making an application portable
18:09:23 <pa_0529> anybody please
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18:16:26 <sar3th> pa_0529: yes please, ask your question
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18:25:25 <pa_0529> sar3th: yes 10x
18:25:37 <pa_0529> I don't understand the procedure
18:25:43 <pa_0529> I have a software of my own
18:25:52 <pa_0529> perfectly portable as it is\
18:26:33 <pa_0529> I made the appinfo.ini
18:26:40 <pa_0529> and the rest
18:27:12 <Gizmokid2005> pa_0529: sounds like you need to read the spec some more
18:27:23 <Gizmokid2005> http://portableapps.com/development/portableapps.com_format
18:27:36 <pa_0529> i did that
18:28:00 <pa_0529> I have respected the format
18:28:07 <pa_0529> what I don't understand
18:28:12 <pa_0529> is the installer
18:28:21 <Gizmokid2005> what don't you understand?
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18:28:49 <pa_0529> it asks me to give him
18:28:54 <Simeon> hi all
18:28:58 <Gizmokid2005> hello Simeon, support
18:29:01 <Simeon> i see
18:29:04 <pa_0529> what to create the laucher for
18:29:15 <Gizmokid2005> not sure I understand pa_0529
18:29:21 <Gizmokid2005> did you create a launcher?
18:29:26 <pa_0529> nope
18:29:41 <pa_0529> that's what I don't understand
18:29:54 <Gizmokid2005> .def field_guide
18:29:54 <GizmoBot> field_guide is here: http://portableapps.com/node/14868
18:29:54 <pa_0529> the first step of that wizard
18:29:59 <Gizmokid2005> ^^ read that pa_0529
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18:31:09 <pa_0529> I read that too
18:31:37 <pa_0529> from point 12
18:31:45 <pa_0529> there's not much explination
18:32:10 <Gizmokid2005> pa_0529: that's because all of the explanation is handled before that
18:32:25 <Gizmokid2005> you have to modify a launcher from a current application to meet your specific needs
18:33:16 <Gizmokid2005> pa_0529: you could also try using this: http://portableapps.com/node/23591
18:38:39 <pa_0529> I think I'm gonna give up
18:38:46 <pa_0529> it's way too much hassle
18:38:59 <pa_0529> for something you can make portable with copy paste
18:39:43 <Simeon> and if its portable the platform will show them too if you want.
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18:40:38 <Simeon> hi pa_3478
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18:41:06 <pa_0529> it's portable... the only changes it does to the registry is if thee user wants to autostart
18:41:26 <Gizmokid2005> pa_0529: then the launcher would be very easy to make
18:41:36 <pa_3478> I just loaded your latest updates and my Kaspersky anti virus found a bunch of viruses during the vlc install.
18:42:29 <Pyromaniac_> do you want me to throw up a quick launcher to give you an idea pa_3478 ?
18:42:34 <pa_3478> It isn't a problem for me just wanted to let you guys know. Maybe the detection was behavior based.
18:42:45 <Simeon> oh - did you check with another virus scanner so you know whether they are false positives?
18:43:20 <Simeon> we run all of our releases thru online scanners before they go public so its probably a false alarm
18:43:22 <pa_3478> Not yet, but I will when I get home from work. Have different antivirus there.
18:43:36 <pa_0529> Pyromaniac.... that wuld be great
18:43:41 <pa_3478> Probably a false positive.
18:43:50 <Pyromaniac_> k pa_0529
18:43:55 <pa_3478> Bye
18:43:58 <Gizmokid2005> pa_0529: it's more than likely a False positive
18:44:00 <Gizmokid2005> happens frequently
18:44:46 <pa_3478> Just wanted to let you guys know, none of the other programs caused an issue.
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18:45:52 <Pyromaniac_> pa_0529: its Dont Panic! right?
18:46:02 <pa_0529> right
18:46:11 <Simeon> nice guess! :)
18:46:41 <pa_0529> the needs of my program are extremly basic
18:46:46 <pa_0529> everything is self contained
18:47:06 <Simeon> how does it store its settings
18:47:21 <pa_0529> next to the exe
18:47:23 <pa_0529> there is a folder
18:47:30 <pa_0529> in the folder is a file
18:47:46 <pa_0529> that stores the settings
18:47:54 <Simeon> ok - thats easy
18:48:27 <pa_0529> it can very well run with copy paste to the disk
18:48:42 <pa_0529> I supply an SFX just for that
18:48:53 <pa_0529> but since I noticed people are interested here
18:48:55 <Pyromaniac_> do you have an NSIS Editor?
18:49:05 <pa_0529> yep
18:49:06 <Simeon> the advantage of having it in the paf format is that you can backup your settings with the backup tool built into the platform
18:51:44 <Pyromaniac_> ok, um, have you lookded at the old development tests?
18:51:59 <Pyromaniac_> pa_0529: and seen the source codes?
18:52:19 <pa_0529> yes
18:52:21 <pa_0529> seen it
18:52:32 <Pyromaniac_> do you know NSIS?
18:52:35 <pa_0529> guided by them
18:53:02 <Pyromaniac_> ok, well what don't you understand?
18:54:44 <pa_0529> i don't really know nsis
18:54:54 <pa_0529> what experience I have with it
18:54:59 <Pyromaniac_> ah, ok
18:55:07 <pa_0529> is that I made the installation wizard
18:55:13 <pa_0529> for my application
18:55:27 <pa_0529> which I generated using HM NIS Edit
18:55:36 <pa_0529> and with each version
18:55:40 <pa_0529> I modify it
18:55:46 <pa_0529> on a "when needed" basis
18:56:14 <Pyromaniac_> ah, ok
18:56:51 <Pyromaniac_> have you changed much from 1.2?
18:58:23 <pa_0529> not really
18:59:55 <Pyromaniac_> ok, almost done here, I'm going to run a few test and show you in a few pa_0529
19:00:13 <pa_0529> thank you very much
19:02:35 <Pyromaniac_> so all your settings are in bin\options.cfg
19:02:39 <Pyromaniac_> and
19:02:41 <pa_0529> yep
19:02:45 <Pyromaniac_> bin\stats.dat?
19:02:50 <pa_0529> yep
19:02:53 <Pyromaniac_> ok
19:03:20 <Pyromaniac_> and, do you know off the top of your head what the name of the regkey is that it leaves behind?
19:03:35 <pa_0529> yep
19:03:42 <pa_0529> none
19:03:47 <pa_0529> wait
19:03:53 <pa_0529> let me check
19:04:50 <Pyromaniac_> ok
19:05:46 <pa_0529> so...
19:05:50 <pa_0529> there are 2
19:06:06 <Pyromaniac_> ok
19:06:16 <pa_0529> one in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE
19:06:29 <pa_0529> Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
19:06:42 <pa_0529> (when autostart in on)
19:07:03 <pa_0529> HKEY_CURRENT_USER
19:07:13 <pa_0529> Software\Microsoft\Windows\
19:07:19 <pa_0529> (for checking)
19:07:42 <pa_0529> but that's created and deleted
19:08:44 <Pyromaniac_> ok, and the autostart key your reffereing to is for starting the app with Windows?
19:08:49 <pa_0529> yes
19:08:57 <Pyromaniac_> ok, we can get rid of that
19:09:54 <Pyromaniac_> so HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run is the whole path or is it like HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run\dontpanic
19:10:12 <pa_0529> yep
19:10:37 <Pyromaniac_> ok
19:11:06 <pa_0529> HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
19:11:49 <pa_0529> and I write a value in there
19:12:45 <Pyromaniac_> ok, let me add some code, and I think I am almost done...
19:13:42 <pa_0529> k
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19:17:29 <Pyromaniac_> http://pastebin.org/356792
19:17:44 <Pyromaniac_> thats the launcher, I haven't tested it yet, but I will right now
19:24:03 <Gizmokid2005> Pyromaniac_: why are you backing up the /ENTIRE/ Run key?
19:24:12 <Gizmokid2005> you should only check for and delete the SUBkey
19:24:21 <Gizmokid2005> it's very very bad form to backup that entire entry
19:25:17 <pa_0529> i'll have to digest this
19:25:34 <Gizmokid2005> the host machine can modify that key at any time
19:25:40 <Gizmokid2005> so backing up the whole thing is not acceptable.
19:25:44 <Gizmokid2005> it needs the exact key
19:26:12 <Pyromaniac_> so pa_0529 do you know the name of the key that is entered in "KCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run"?
19:26:19 <pa_0529> yep
19:26:20 <pa_0529> sure
19:26:53 <pa_0529> let me find it
19:27:14 <Pyromaniac_> ok
19:27:19 <pa_0529> Don't Panic! Application
19:27:25 <pa_0529> that is the exact name
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19:27:50 <Pyromaniac_> so its... "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run\Don't Panic! Application"?
19:27:55 <[adriantc]> yep
19:28:11 <[adriantc]> nick adriantc
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19:28:53 <Pyromaniac_> hmmm, that quote in Don't could cause problems
19:29:41 <Pyromaniac_> ok...
19:29:45 <Gringoloco> Pyromaniac_: Don't worry about the quote
19:29:47 <adriantc> i could change it
19:29:53 <adriantc> from the software
19:30:22 <Gringoloco> No just for the value it self in the reg file
19:30:46 <Pyromaniac_> ok... lets see here
19:31:33 <Gringoloco> But arent they values in run, instead of keys?
19:31:52 <Pyromaniac_> what?
19:32:01 <Pyromaniac_> I just compiled without problems
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19:32:24 <Pyromaniac_> let me test it now...
19:34:25 <Pyromaniac_> I just tested, seems to work fine
19:35:38 <adriantc> somebody should write a start to finish tutorial for this
19:35:48 <adriantc> I'm sure more have given up
19:36:11 <adriantc> to make their application portable
19:36:28 <Pyromaniac_> i am adriantc
19:36:42 <Pyromaniac_> i'm launching my website on my birthday
19:36:53 <adriantc> that would be great
19:36:55 <Pyromaniac_> and on it, there will be a tutorial
19:37:11 <adriantc> on idiot proof tutorial
19:37:38 <adriantc> I for one have a job, develop a commercial software
19:37:46 <adriantc> and 2 open source ones
19:38:00 <adriantc> not much spare time
19:38:27 <Pyromaniac_> ah
19:38:30 <adriantc> and since I try to release updates as soon as possible spending hours on an installer is pretty bad
19:39:32 <adriantc> it's great your doing a tutorial
19:39:37 <Pyromaniac_> yeah, thank god we have a PortableApps.com Installer that does it for us!
19:39:52 <Pyromaniac_> Its soooooo long right now, though
19:40:17 <adriantc> yeah... maybe someday they could make all of it
19:40:22 <adriantc> like a wizard
19:40:28 <adriantc> like nsis for example
19:40:34 <adriantc> to let you customize the code
19:40:44 <adriantc> and in case you don't want to go that deep
19:41:14 <adriantc> just use some kind of wizard
19:41:52 <Pyromaniac_> a guy is working on that
19:41:56 <adriantc> because they should incourage authors of the software to post their software
19:42:03 <adriantc> not others
19:42:29 <adriantc> since they don't know exacly when a new version is released and so on
19:44:56 <adriantc> or what a version is all about
19:46:21 <Pyromaniac_> so, do you want to release this in the beta forums, or do you want me to (or someone else?) or just not release it?
19:47:13 <adriantc> I would like to be released... don't really care who is the author
19:47:42 <adriantc> I would prefer to be me because
19:47:52 <adriantc> I will update it when the time comes
19:48:10 <adriantc> + I may like to release some of the other programs I have
19:54:09 <Pyromaniac_> I'm running a few more tests
19:54:49 <adriantc> well thanks for the effort
20:01:39 <Pyromaniac_> you say you want to release it. If any bugs were to appear, how would you adress them?
20:02:16 <adriantc> that would be a problem...
20:02:42 <adriantc> don't really think there will be bugs related to portableapps
20:03:01 <adriantc> if the software has bugs... that's a different story
20:03:11 <Pyromaniac_> yeah, oh and as for the developer of the original app, do you want me to put adriantc ?
20:03:39 <adriantc> yeah
20:03:53 <Pyromaniac_> ok
20:04:11 <adriantc> thing is I want to update it
20:04:24 <adriantc> and I don't want to bother somebody with it
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22:02:06 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
22:02:07 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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22:53:40 <ZachThibeau> howdy ChrisMorgan
22:53:50 <ChrisMorgan> Hey ZachThibeau
22:58:10 <ZachThibeau> trying out gobolinux it's actually pretty interesting ideas in it
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