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00:42:04 <ZachThibeau> hmm I love the silence :)
00:42:11 <ZachThibeau> I'm sorry to break it though
00:42:17 <ZachThibeau> btw hi ChrisMorgan
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02:57:29 <Pyromaniac_> hey OliverK
02:58:04 <Pyromaniac_> I replied to your email
02:58:11 <OliverK> Pyromaniac_: I say, thanks
02:58:24 <OliverK> saw*
02:59:06 <OliverK> yes, but not handy
02:59:13 <OliverK> ooops
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03:26:00 <Pyromaniac_> hey ChrisMorgan ...?
03:28:03 <Pyromaniac_> I got a friend who seems to be having trouble installing the platform on his flash drive ChrisMorgan
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04:40:42 <clintoy> hello
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04:40:53 <clintoy> need help
04:41:24 <ChrisMorgan> clintoy: please state what your problem is so that we can help you.
04:42:08 <clintoy> my launcher still leaves entries in the registry
04:42:28 <ChrisMorgan> What do you mean? An app that you're developing or one of ours?
04:42:49 <clintoy> i managed to develop a launcher for ymessenger10
04:43:22 <clintoy> making use of lightscreen launcher
04:44:10 <ChrisMorgan> That's not the way to go about it at all. Each application requires its own launcher; often they're completely different from any other one.
04:44:48 <clintoy> i know but im not a programmer just an enthusiast
04:46:27 <clintoy> tho they seem to have the same behavior as far as i understand
04:47:04 <ChrisMorgan> Not at all. If you take a look at various different launchers, the key parts are /completely/ different.
04:47:41 <clintoy> what benefitted me was that ymessenger is almost portable in its own
04:47:50 <ChrisMorgan> (See also http://portableapps.com/search/node/yahoo+messenger; it's been discussed a number of times and there are licensing issues which disallow distributing a portable version)
04:47:59 <ChrisMorgan> That would strike me as unusual.
04:48:02 <clintoy> just need to inject a few registry entrys
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04:48:25 <clintoy> i know the licensing issues but i dont have plans of distributing it
04:49:55 <clintoy> what i like about portableapps is that i can freely reload my OS anytime i want without having to install apps again
04:50:16 <ChrisMorgan> Anyway, you should find the PortableApps.com Launcher easier to work with for things like handling registry keys.
04:50:25 <ChrisMorgan> http://portableapps.com/node/23591
04:52:14 <clintoy> and i would like to know how to remove those entries after closing
04:52:56 <clintoy> i can let you see the nsi file
04:53:16 <ChrisMorgan> I would recommend that you just use the PortableApps.com Launcher. It will make that much easier.
04:55:57 <clintoy> ill take a look at it
04:58:19 <clintoy> is this like xenocode or thinstall?
05:02:11 <ChrisMorgan> No, it still requires configuration.
05:04:13 <clintoy> so i still need the unicode?
05:05:13 <ChrisMorgan> Unicode is to do with character encoding.
05:05:34 <ChrisMorgan> The PortableApps.com Launcher's configuration is done in an INI file.
05:17:00 <clintoy> which INI?
05:18:56 <ChrisMorgan> If you read the manual it covers those sorts of things.
05:20:26 <ChrisMorgan> The manual included in that package has had more work on it since, the latest version, for 2.0 final, is available online: http://portableapps.chrismorgan.info/portableapps/launcher/docs/
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05:58:40 <clintoy> @chrismorgan, i got it now
05:58:46 <ChrisMorgan> Good :-)
05:59:46 <clintoy> now, for the illustrator cs5...hehehe....just kidding
06:02:05 <clintoy> would anyone care to help?
06:04:35 <ChrisMorgan> Illustrator? No. Use Inkscape :D
06:09:59 <clintoy> not so familiar with inkscape and i got tons of eps
06:10:40 <ChrisMorgan> Inkscape copes fine with sane EPS files.
06:10:52 * ChrisMorgan likes Inkscape and dislikes Illustrator intensely
06:11:27 <ChrisMorgan> (Inkscape I found very easy to start using, Illustrator I gave up on after playing around for a few hours.)
06:13:25 <clintoy> i meant ai files
06:13:55 <clintoy> is inkscape capable of opening ai files?
06:14:20 <ChrisMorgan> Up to Illustrator version 8, I believe. Beyond that not properly.
06:14:37 <ChrisMorgan> Anyway, that's just my preference. :-)
06:17:43 <clintoy> id use inkscape if it can import ai
06:20:43 <ChrisMorgan> Seems it was actually v9 onwards it copes with and 8 and earlier was what it /couldn'
06:20:46 <ChrisMorgan> t/ do.
06:21:11 <ChrisMorgan> You could try Inkscape and see how it copes. We've got a portable version of it :-)
06:28:03 <clintoy> i know will see
06:28:14 <clintoy> thanx for the app launcher
06:28:19 <ChrisMorgan> You're welcome :-)
06:28:31 <clintoy> you helped me figure out my traktor...
06:28:58 <clintoy> bye
06:29:12 <clintoy> talk to you later
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06:31:20 <ChrisMorgan> EEK! I just discovered that the Python iniparse module is converting option keys to lower case when it gets a stream input..!
06:33:34 <ChrisMorgan> optionxformvalue=lower... yuck.
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09:24:57 <awircser> i want to disable splash screen for pchat and i forgot where to find that ini
09:25:33 <ChrisMorgan> awircser: look in Other\Source\Readme.txt
09:26:50 <awircser> thanks ChrisMorgan
09:26:55 <ChrisMorgan> You're welcome.
09:26:58 <awircser> can you assist with pchat support
09:26:59 <awircser> ?
09:27:09 <ChrisMorgan> To a certain degree.
09:27:33 <awircser> ok, i left the application running and went to buy some stuff.
09:27:51 <awircser> now it's peeping whenever i type anything
09:28:04 <awircser> internal pc peep
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09:30:10 <awircser> ChrisMorgan: it's fixed after restart .. i didn't thought about that before ;P
09:30:38 <ChrisMorgan> #portableapps - easy self support ;-)
09:31:19 <awircser> lol
09:33:00 <awircser> btw, i've been trying to update my flash player of FFP but nothing worked..
09:33:02 <Gringoloco> ChrisMorgan: is PChatP the only official PAL release?
09:33:32 <ChrisMorgan> Gringoloco: no, Audacity is and I think one of the others.
09:33:48 <awircser> everything is working just fine, but some sites tells me that i should update
09:33:55 <Gringoloco> It's looking good for PAL
09:34:45 <ChrisMorgan> PAL was meant to be being released last Tuesday... then this Tuesday... then Thursday... then Friday... :P
09:35:07 <Gringoloco> awircser: As far as I know, it's not to hard to update, but will leave files on your PC due to installation
09:35:28 <Gringoloco> So, if you do not mind that I could assist you
09:35:36 <ChrisMorgan> I've had the final build of PAL ready all that time, just waiting for John to rebuild signed versions and release it.
09:36:18 <Gringoloco> Unicode NSIS Portable will be released tomorrow
09:36:34 <awircser> Gringoloco: no not at all
09:37:08 <ChrisMorgan> It was meant to be being released on Tuesday before. Then John got busy again with a business activity and had to delay it further again.
09:37:41 <Gringoloco> awircser: If I remember it all right (done it 2 days ago)...
09:39:29 <awircser> is there a way to check my current installed flash version?
09:39:38 <Gringoloco> Just install it through FFP, and get the files from System32\ somewhere (could use RegShot to find them)to
09:39:54 <Gringoloco> Ah you already have flash currently installed?
09:40:47 <awircser> yes .. and it works ,, but some websites told me that i should upgrade!
09:41:00 <Gringoloco> ChrisMorgan: Im well 'chuffed' about registryRestore
09:41:09 <awircser> i did installed some xpi from adobe
09:41:21 <awircser> but still!
09:41:23 <Gringoloco> one sec...telephone call..
09:42:00 <ChrisMorgan> awircser: http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/155/tn_15507.html will tell you the version you've got currently.
09:42:06 <ChrisMorgan> Also about:plugins should, I think.
09:42:38 <awircser> Shockwave Flash 10.0 r12
09:43:26 <ChrisMorgan> That's about the latest version.
09:43:54 <ChrisMorgan> So it's probably some other form of the plugin that it's wanting.
09:43:56 <awircser> really!
09:44:55 <awircser> Thanks ChrisMorgan
09:45:24 <ChrisMorgan> Not entirely certain, I don't tend to use Flash much at all, but I believe there are different things it could be looking for.
09:45:53 <ChrisMorgan> Oh yes, what happens with it - does it tell Firefox that it wants to get a new plug-in and you go through that wizard and then what; it says it couldn't find a plug-in, or it suggests something?
09:45:58 <Gringoloco> I do not think shockwave and flash Player are the same thing ?
09:46:43 <Gringoloco> or are they?
09:46:57 <ChrisMorgan> That was what I was trying to think of.
09:47:08 <ChrisMorgan> Macromedia Shockwave Player and Adobe Flash Player or something like that.
09:51:25 <Gringoloco> awircser: They are definitly different files to copy over to the FFP plugin dir
09:51:29 <Gringoloco> see: http://portableapps.com/support/firefox_portable#plugins
09:51:40 <Gringoloco> got to go for lunch, sorry
10:07:39 <ChrisMorgan> You can tell that my copy of OpenOffice.org Portable on that USB disk is old when validating it says App/AppInfo/appicon_16.png and App/AppInfo/appicon_32.png are missing, and in appinfo.ini that [Format]:Type is not PortableApps.comFormat, [Format]:Version is not 2.0, [Details] is missing Language and AppID and has an invalid value InstallSize...
10:16:40 <Gringoloco> ChrisMorgan: Shame on you ;-)
10:16:50 <ChrisMorgan> I never /use/ that disk though!
10:18:05 <ChrisMorgan> 3.0.1, which was in PortableAppsFormat 0.9.8 and thus had the old InstallSize=240 and not yet the Language=Multilingual or AppID=OpenOfficePortable.
10:20:27 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... [Control] validation not working properly. Should be complaining of an extra invalid value.
10:38:12 <ChrisMorgan> Ah. Code indented one level too far.
10:39:28 <ChrisMorgan> Good, [Control] validation is working for any (valid) value of Icons
10:43:19 <Gringoloco> ChrisMorgan: FYI, I`ve added ${FileRecode} UTF16LE to TextFunc.nsh, maybe it will be usefull one day
10:43:30 <ChrisMorgan> Could be.
10:44:54 <Gringoloco> I'll send TextFunc.nsh for UTF-16LE soon but will keep it separate for now
10:46:15 <Gringoloco> As pyromanic mentioned the other day, testing takes 3x as long as writing the script, I would make that 10x :-)
10:46:15 <ChrisMorgan> Really all the *Func.nsh files should be checked over and UTF-16LE variants made where appropriate...
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10:46:24 <ChrisMorgan> Yep.
10:47:04 <ChrisMorgan> I'm being more careful about this current Project of mine than I have tended to be with PAL. But then, it's easier to.
10:47:46 <Gringoloco> I'll go over the other *Func.nsh, I had a quick look before and thought that they aren't influenced that much as TextFunc.nsh is
10:48:00 <ChrisMorgan> Most shouldn't be affected by it at all, I think.
10:48:24 <Gringoloco> Yes, but I'll have a good look whenenver I find time
10:48:45 <Gringoloco> What current project ?
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18:04:16 <temp4746> gluxon: So how's Eclipse 3.6 going?
18:05:02 <gluxon> temp4746: Good, Compressing and Uploading is taking forever though :(
18:05:59 <temp4746> As expected lol
18:07:33 <temp4746> How much you managed to do so far?
18:08:25 <gluxon> Compressing the last eclipse edition is almost done :/
18:10:52 <temp4746> I still wish Eclipse had some sort of a GUI Designer as part of the official packages (And a FOSS one at that)...
18:11:15 <temp4746> But that's up to Eclipse's developers :P
18:12:13 <temp4746> Will it be an official or a dev release?
18:13:29 <temp4746> gluxon: Will it be an official or a dev release?
18:14:20 <gluxon> Dev... grrr :P
18:14:50 <gluxon> ChrisMorgan wants JDK and Subversion with it >_<
18:15:04 <gluxon> Two things that are out of my control :'(
18:16:28 <temp4746> JDK is up to john and orcale :P but subversion maybe you can get chris to create a pal launcher segment that will handle subversion across all apps with a [activate]:subversion ini value?
18:17:21 <gluxon> Hm... didn't think of that.
18:17:43 <gluxon> Maybe subversion could be added the the paf specification along with Java and DotNet
18:18:00 <gluxon> That would fix the backup + restore conflict. :D
18:18:12 <gluxon> temp4746: Thanks for the idea! :P
18:18:55 <temp4746> your'e welcome :P
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19:44:45 <temp4746> gluxon: Say gluxon have you figured out how to handle Eclipse's secure storage?
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23:08:14 <TimClark> ZachThibeau: when someone makes a dev test [or alpha beta for that matter] isn't it normal to include the version number of the main/host app, not just the porablized version ?
23:10:14 <ZachThibeau> to be honest thats always been in discussion, and I think it will be especially with pal becoming the default soon
23:13:10 <TimClark> But you still need to know what version of the app your testing right, you need to know if it's 3.2 or 3.3, or .3.4 , right
23:13:44 <ZachThibeau> I would think so
23:13:56 <TimClark> That's what I thought
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