IRC Log from 2010-06-29
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00:00:36 <Pyromaniac> lets see now...
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00:01:06 <Pyromaniac> one sec
00:01:14 <Pyromaniac> I'm trying something
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00:01:58 <ChrisMorgan> When I switched hosts, I tested the two other sites I host, but not my own... rather amusing :D
00:02:28 <Pyromaniac> did you know this was a website? http://webchat.freenode.net/?nick=pa_....&channels=portableapps&prompt=1#
00:02:50 <Pyromaniac> yeah :P
00:03:16 <Pyromaniac> what advantages to I get if I create an account on your website ChrisMorgan ?
00:03:25 <ChrisMorgan> None whatsoever.
00:03:33 <Pyromaniac> I'll take it!
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00:06:53 <Pyromaniac> I havent recieved any instructions on my email ChrisMorgan
00:07:16 <ChrisMorgan> You won't have. I haven't installed the SMTP module... *sigh*
00:07:24 <ChrisMorgan> Don't know why you registered an account :-/
00:07:47 <ChrisMorgan> Stop making me /do/ something!
00:08:08 <Pyromaniac> I was thinking maybe you were going to do something in the future
00:08:13 <Pyromaniac> :P
00:08:59 <ChrisMorgan> In the future it may become a website of some sort. Or more likely I may scrap it and start with a fresh installation of Drupal within a year or so.
00:09:03 <Pyromaniac> I remember this one sig john had a while ago
00:09:04 <Pyromaniac> "Live with purpose"
00:09:45 <Pyromaniac> And i think you should... I mean, if you do nothing but just sit there, whats the point of living?
00:10:03 <Pyromaniac> by "you" I mean anybody, not "you" alone
00:10:15 <ChrisMorgan> I personall do live with purpose. It's just at the moment the website at chrismorgan.info isn't really part of it. :-)
00:10:51 <ChrisMorgan> Initially I set up that site for testing the markasread module which I rewrote for Drupal 6 for PortableApps.com.
00:11:10 <Pyromaniac> what about that one website, http://christadelphiansindia.com/ ?
00:11:24 <Pyromaniac> is that for real?
00:11:41 <Pyromaniac> or just a website you made for testing too?
00:11:55 <ChrisMorgan> It sure is for real.
00:12:23 <ChrisMorgan> I redid it as Drupal because the previous website maintainer had done it with static (read ugly) HTML, frames, ...
00:12:36 <Pyromaniac> I hate ugly websites
00:12:57 <Pyromaniac> perhaps you can chanfe the favicon?
00:13:01 <ChrisMorgan> If you have anything more to say then I probably should join #portableapps-ot... or maybe I should just mark myself as away and get on with studying for my maths exam tomorrow.
00:13:05 <ChrisMorgan> Too lazy :D
00:13:17 <Pyromaniac> no worries, I'll leave
00:13:20 <Pyromaniac> bye!
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01:12:27 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
01:24:26 <ZachThibeau> hello there ChrisMorgan
01:27:59 <ChrisMorgan> Hey ZachThibeau
01:28:17 <ZachThibeau> whats new?
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01:34:46 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... preparing for my last semester 1 exam tomorrow.
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02:12:18 <GizmoBot> computerfreaker is working on KidSafe and Iron Portable, and would very much like to have folks test them and give feedback.
02:12:38 <computerfreaker> Hi ChrisMorgan! Thanks for taking a look at that launcher file; do you have a minute to talk about that?
02:13:16 <ChrisMorgan> computerfreaker: think so
02:13:27 <computerfreaker> great, thanks!
02:13:38 <computerfreaker> are single quotes OK to begin & end the INI values with?
02:13:52 <computerfreaker> e.g. TrimRight=' " '
02:15:01 <ChrisMorgan> Single or double quotes are OK. And it's a character check, not a string check - so " " " would be fine too. I just like to use the other type if I can to make it more clear.
02:16:13 <computerfreaker> yeah, I like to do that too. Trying to read & mentally parse three double quotes is a pain in the rear, IMHO.
02:16:34 <computerfreaker> the problem with Iron right now is the way it saves its settings file; I'm not sure if I can safely write the lang string to it.
02:17:20 <ChrisMorgan> That was one thing I was wondering. Will the spaces at the start of the line be consistent?
02:17:27 <ChrisMorgan> And the line contents too.
02:17:40 <computerfreaker> yeah, I think so, but the value may not be there. And if it's missing, and Iron Portable writes it, all chaos will break loose.
02:17:50 <computerfreaker> Take a look at my copy of the file: http://tinypaste.com/283d3
02:17:58 <ChrisMorgan> If you put it in the DefaultData it should be there for ever, shouldn't it?
02:18:13 <computerfreaker> yeah
02:18:45 <computerfreaker> but won't Iron Portable try writing that lang string multiple times, defeating the purpose of DefaultData? (Sorry, I'm still not entirely clear on how the lang writing works)
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02:24:06 <ChrisMorgan> If you put it in DefaultData so that it won't mess up the format, then you use the ConfigWrite to write it - it'll find the line starting with ' "lang": "' or whatever it was, and overwrite it.
03:00:09 <computerfreaker> ok, I think it's good now. I'm going to go test it out; brb (I'm running webchat in Iron Portable right now, so I have to shut it down for testing)
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03:22:01 <GizmoBot> computerfreaker is working on KidSafe and Iron Portable, and would very much like to have folks test them and give feedback.
03:22:29 <computerfreaker> ChrisMorgan: that didn't go well at all. I tried stripping down the relevant file to just the locale info, and Iron complained about a corrupt prefs file.
03:23:23 <computerfreaker> I can't really leave the entire prefs file there, because it contains a fair amount of installation-specific information. Should I just leave lang switching alone for now?
03:28:09 <ChrisMorgan> Probably.
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03:28:33 <ChrisMorgan> You could not put the file there; ConfigWrite won't create it if it doesn't exist, then it'll just not work first time.
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03:29:53 <computerfreaker> but the lang setting will work on subsequent runs? That could be worth a try... for now, though, I'll probably just leave well enough alone. I've got enough possibly-breaking changes in this DT already thanks to Iron's tendency to delete entries when they have default values.
03:30:00 <ChrisMorgan> Should do.
03:30:04 <pa_9498> hey i was wondring if any 1 could tell me how to change the color on the protable apps menu ?
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03:31:50 <OliverK> [vectorsigma32]: its in the options i believe
03:32:33 <computerfreaker> ChrisMorgan: do you mean I should add the lang switching, or do you mean I should leave it alone for now? Sorry, I'm a trifle confused.
03:32:48 <ChrisMorgan> I mean it should work.
03:32:51 <[vectorsigma32]> it only got transpacney
03:33:13 <OliverK> [vectorsigma32]: are you using the beta?
03:33:16 <[vectorsigma32]> iv done it before when i had portable apps
03:33:18 <computerfreaker> ChrisMorgan: OK, thanks. I'll try that; here goes!
03:33:31 <OliverK> some stuff got disabled in the latest release, go back to the beta
03:33:47 <[vectorsigma32]> vir 1.6.1
03:34:04 <[vectorsigma32]> ok thanxs
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03:52:41 <GizmoBot> computerfreaker is working on KidSafe and Iron Portable, and would very much like to have folks test them and give feedback.
03:53:18 <computerfreaker> ChrisMorgan: no good. Iron didn't write the locale value because it was at its default value, so the settings file got corrupted when Iron Portable tried to append the locale value to the settings file.
03:53:30 <ChrisMorgan> Arg, sounds nasty.
03:54:04 <computerfreaker> yeah. That's how Iron behaves: if a setting has its default value, it's not written to disk. The C++-style settings file makes life nasty, too.
03:54:16 <computerfreaker> I'll probably talk to the Iron devs about it, but I doubt they'll do much (if anything).
03:54:46 <computerfreaker> Sorry to bother you about the language stuff, I wouldn't have done that if I'd known that it was a waste of time.
03:56:54 <Gizmokid2005> RELEASED: KVIrc Portable 4.0 Pre-Release 1: http://portableapps.com/node/24070 (More of a formality than anything, just gotta get ahold of JTH to release it).
03:57:36 <computerfreaker> congratulations, Gizmokid2005!
03:57:52 <Gizmokid2005> thanks computerfreaker, just been waiting on them for a while
03:58:59 <ChrisMorgan> Good job, Gizmokid2005 :-)
03:59:07 <Gizmokid2005> thanks ChrisMorgan :)
03:59:13 <Gizmokid2005> now to play the waiting game
03:59:40 <ChrisMorgan> Yep. PAL and NSISu have been in the release queue for three weeks.
04:00:02 <OliverK> that's got nothing on KVIrc 3
04:00:31 * computerfreaker wishes Iron Portable would reach Pre-Release 1
04:01:47 <ChrisMorgan> I still don't understand quite what's different between Chromium and Iron.
04:02:30 <computerfreaker> AFAIK, Iron has the Chromium sourcecode as a base, but has some major improvements over it.
04:02:52 <OliverK> and big brother neutured
04:03:14 <computerfreaker> yeah. That's a major selling point on the Iron homepage.
04:03:16 <computerfreaker> "SRWare Iron is a real alternative. The browser is based on the Chromium-source and offers the same features as Chrome - but without the critical points that the privacy concern."
04:03:24 <computerfreaker> (quoted from http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron.php)
04:11:21 <computerfreaker> I'm going to head out; see you guys later!
04:11:25 <computerfreaker> thanks for the help, ChrisMorgan!
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05:43:51 * Gringoloco will be back in hour or so.
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08:32:15 <GizmoBot> MaienM is MaienM. He is the developer of The Mana World Portable, and he has a website at http://mmfail.co.cc/
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12:47:52 <Gringoloco> PortableApps is under attack...
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12:59:42 <Gringoloco> Spammer on the loose:
13:00:09 <Gringoloco> http://portableapps.com/news/2010-03-21_-_lightscreen_portable_1.01#comment-152691
13:00:29 <Gringoloco> http://portableapps.com/node/24073
13:01:38 <Mir> SPAM
13:01:45 <Mir> PAMS
13:01:50 <Mir> AMPS
13:01:58 <Gringoloco> I do not think anybody is looking for a face-lift on PortableApps.com
13:02:00 <Mir> in the can
13:02:05 <Mir> or in your hand
13:02:10 <Mir> its
13:02:12 <Mir> SPAM
13:02:18 <MaienM> Mir: stop that
13:02:22 <Mir> mkay
13:15:33 <Mir> sup
13:15:48 <Mir> its too quiet for 6:15 AM
13:16:03 <Bensawsome> o.o
13:16:21 <Bensawsome> no ur too loud for 6:15 am Mir :P
13:16:22 * Mir hands Bensawsome some waffles
13:29:26 <Gringoloco> MrWhy don't you make some noise at -ot, if you think it's to quite here
13:29:52 <Gringoloco> Mir: that was supposed to be
13:30:25 <Mir> i cannot connect to too many channels because of my shoddy DSL connection
13:31:30 <Mir> i am going after verizon for bullying, false advertising, and not providing the services that i am paying for and also for being a monopoly in town
13:37:08 <MaienM> the fact that you, for whatever reason, cannot enter -ot does not mean it is ok to use this channel as -ot Mir
13:39:41 <FireFox> irc is srs business guys, srs business
13:40:00 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> Play nice guys. Don't make me come out of hiding just to be the bad guy.
13:42:41 <Mir> :O
13:42:46 <Mir> l8ter
13:46:45 <MaienM> FireFox: that was totally uncalled for. I told Mir not to do -ot in here, and the next second you start doing just that. Don't mock me.
13:52:14 <FireFox> lmao
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13:56:33 <FireFox> ban the limited number of people who do come here if you wish, it won't make it any less of a joke :P
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15:42:15 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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19:19:41 <Drive-Dude> Hi I was thinking about is they a way to change the word type I eman like this from this on The Platform to maybe like *Verdana* or *Garamond*
19:19:46 <Drive-Dude> or other word types
19:20:35 <Pyromaniac> ? Are you asking to change the font on the menu?
19:21:40 <Drive-Dude> yes
19:22:20 <Drive-Dude> Dont you thinking what would be a cool feature
19:22:27 <Drive-Dude> think
19:22:40 <Gizmokid2005> Drive-Dude: pretty sure that's not a feature available right now
19:22:51 <Gizmokid2005> I don't believe it's planned...but you can always check in the forums or ask in there
19:22:57 <Gizmokid2005> the Main dev would be able to answer the question for you
19:27:08 <Drive-Dude> I feel kinda disappointed. I dont use the forum because i have to then be a member. Alright thanks for the help
19:27:10 <Drive-Dude> Bye
19:29:10 <Drive-Dude> Is there anyway I can fix by myself maybe copy the fonts from OpenOffice and add to the Platform?
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19:40:48 <Gizmokid2005> Drive-Dude: no, afaik it's coded into the platform itself. You'd probably have to use delphi to edit it the way you want.
19:43:36 <sar3th> from what i learned in the plattform's sourcecode, i have to agree with Gizmokid2005, it is impossible without recompiling
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19:46:20 <Drive-Dude> Alright That is just to hard to do. That is one on the reasons I use PortableApps. Platform
19:46:39 <Drive-Dude> of inot on
19:46:43 <Drive-Dude> not on
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20:32:55 <pa_7534> I have a question about portable apps in general
20:33:18 <sar3th> feel free to as pa_7534
20:34:29 <pa_7534> is there an easy way to make a program I already have portable? I have seen VMware ThinApp. Does the PortableApps.com crew use a program to convert programs?
20:34:55 <sar3th> no, we create so called launchers which take care of settings etc
20:35:48 <pa_7534> okay, is that what ThinApp does as well (albeit expensively)?
20:36:31 <sar3th> no
20:36:57 <sar3th> thinapp does (as far as i know) use special techniques to virtualize your application
20:38:13 <pa_7534> yes, I know that's what their website says, but it also seems to create a single executable for distribution purposes. Just curious if that would be a portable program or not.
20:39:34 <sar3th> it would not, since our applications are in the so-called "portableapps.com portable application format" (PAF in short) which regulates how the application should be
20:41:56 <pa_7534> Okay, thanks for your help. It's very much appreciated.
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