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00:04:22 <Pyromaniac> sorry I left... my library session expired
00:05:05 <Pyromaniac> "I liked the compiler"
00:05:19 <Pyromaniac> are you still going to make the wizard ChrisMorgan ?
00:05:37 <Pyromaniac> or is that as close as a wizard as we are going to see?
00:06:08 <ChrisMorgan> Wait and see what comes up in the next few weeks.
00:07:39 <ChrisMorgan> (I'm being delayed at the moment by recovering from dental surgery, I had four wisdom teeth and a baby tooth removed and a canine exposed yesterday.)
00:07:45 <Pyromaniac> are the "upcoming apps" going to be in PAL?
00:07:52 <Pyromaniac> wow
00:08:02 <Pyromaniac> I have never been to the dentist
00:09:40 <Pyromaniac> Gizmokid2005: can you resend me the link... I was trying to read the message when my PC kicked me off
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00:12:21 <ChrisMorgan> Not sure about "upcoming apps".
00:14:02 <Pyromaniac> the only other thing I can think of given the "Wait and see what comes up in the next few weeks." is that there is going to be a wizard O_o
00:14:13 <Pyromaniac> I like wizards
00:14:23 <Pyromaniac> they always surprise me with their magic :P
00:25:38 <Pyromaniac> does anyone know of a program that tells you of all the active internet connections using the full URL?
00:27:01 <Pyromaniac> like if I'm downloading something from sourceforge is there a program that would say "Internet Connection: http://sourceforge.net/project/files/app.exe"; not like "Internet Connection: sourceforge.net
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00:55:35 <ChrisMorgan> Yuck. Just had to delete 29 spam messages.
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00:58:50 <gluxon> I wonder why we still don't have a captcha.
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01:02:18 <kai_kracker> ChrisMorgan: just remember.... some have way more than that :P
01:02:30 <ChrisMorgan> Some what?
01:02:42 <ChrisMorgan> 29 messages is the most I've ever seen a spam account used for.
01:02:49 <kai_kracker> more spam
01:03:22 <ChrisMorgan> Normally it's only 1-4. Today I've seen one which had at least 3 (which were already dealt with by other moderators) and this one with 29.
01:04:07 <ChrisMorgan> Make that 3 5 actually.
01:04:28 <kai_kracker> Ah
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01:59:10 <kai_kracker> anyone know what this is? "Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed)" I get it in stderr.txt in a game
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02:54:14 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
02:55:36 <ZachThibeau> hola folks
03:03:04 <ChrisMorgan> Hey ZachThibeau.
03:03:21 <OliverK> hola ZachThibeau
03:05:32 <ZachThibeau> trying to setup a webhost from scratch is not recommended for people who want to sleep xD
03:05:39 <OliverK> ah
03:05:43 <OliverK> got a vps did you?
03:06:14 <ZachThibeau> yeah
03:06:52 <ZachThibeau> I've installed cpanel from their how to but it won't let me login now >_<
03:08:33 <ZachThibeau> may reinstall my os with lxadmin if I can
03:08:40 <ZachThibeau> t figure it out
03:12:23 <ZachThibeau> anyways I'm excited about the platform 2.0 coming soon
03:13:55 <OliverK> meh
03:16:55 <ZachThibeau> I mean file associations etc pretty good leap imho
03:28:22 * ChrisMorgan quite likes the look of the webmin family. And free, too.
03:29:26 <ZachThibeau> so is the cpanel thats being offered by my vps :P but yeah overall price wise webmin/lxadmin is a better alternative
03:41:11 <ZachThibeau> night all
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04:43:32 <vf2nsr> ChrisMorgan: I downloaded both the unicode and ansi versions of hte NSIS today, If I run th elauncher genrator will it determine which to use? The reasin I aask is I am attempting to generate a launcher with debug and getting an error related to splash screen?
04:43:58 <ChrisMorgan> It'll fail if it finds the ANSI version.
04:45:36 <vf2nsr> ok so should I delete the ansi version?
04:46:02 <vf2nsr> as I have them both installed
04:46:25 <ChrisMorgan> It'll look for ..\UnicodeNSISPortable and then ..\NSISPortable
04:47:02 <vf2nsr> ok? the top of the error page says unicode 2.46
04:47:35 <vf2nsr> I will try uninstalling the anso and running again
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04:49:00 <vf2nsr> thanks ChrisMorgan|away sorry to have bothered you with such trivial questions
04:49:51 <Gringoloco> isn't Unicode NSIS Portable called "NSIS Portable", since released officially?
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04:52:12 <ChrisMorgan|away> Gringoloco: yes. But PAL was already finalised, and we decided it was still OK as it wouldn't get ANSI first.
04:53:45 <Gringoloco> It can only use Unicode NSIS, but if located in (AppID) NSISPortable, I think
04:55:30 <ChrisMorgan|away> It does require Unicode NSIS. But looking in ..\UnicodeNSISPortable before ..\NSISPortable won't matter. For the next release I'll remove the old UnicodeNSISPortable path.
04:55:52 <ChrisMorgan|away> Now I really am away.
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05:05:08 <Gringoloco> vf2nsr: Did you fist install Unicode NSIS P, and afet
05:05:19 <Gringoloco> and after Ansi NSIS P
05:05:21 <Gringoloco> ?
05:05:55 <vf2nsr> No dice even after uninstalling both Unicode and ansi NSIS as well as launcher then reinstalling just unicode nsis and launcher wehn I go to make a luncher with wizard and a custom debu code I get errors as shownn in this paste http://tinypaste.com/9fb2b
05:06:36 <vf2nsr> debug
05:07:06 <Gringoloco> More::Info plug-in is missing
05:07:23 <Gringoloco> Are you using the HG-tip?
05:07:28 <vf2nsr> well? ian't it in the NSIS package?
05:07:50 <vf2nsr> I have it But no I downloaded the new release today of both NSIS and launcher
05:08:12 <Gringoloco> Yes, but Unicode NSIS, installs to NSISPortable, and I do not believe that the HG-tip picks it up
05:08:32 <vf2nsr> I am not using the hg tip
05:08:37 <vf2nsr> I have never compiled it
05:08:39 <Gringoloco> so use the official launcher which is released
05:08:47 <vf2nsr> I am using it
05:08:55 <vf2nsr> But I am trying to debug the program
05:09:06 <vf2nsr> so included the debug script into the app other
05:09:26 <vf2nsr> and that is the messsage on the NEW NSIS and laucher
05:09:28 <Gringoloco> So try rename the Unicode NSIS Portable folder or download moreinfo plug_in
05:09:44 <vf2nsr> HUh
05:09:47 <vf2nsr> rename to what?
05:10:04 <vf2nsr> I Totally unisnstallnsis and then reinstalled a fresh New Download
05:10:15 <vf2nsr> and still get same message?
05:10:28 <vf2nsr> so as I first asked it the plugin included in New NSIS?
05:10:35 <Gringoloco> http://nsis.sourceforge.net/MoreInfo_plug-in
05:10:45 <Gringoloco> Get the unicode plug-in
05:11:29 <vf2nsr> Well then IMHO there are major bugs here I downloaded newest NSIS Unicode portable, Newest Launcher and they dont work without additional plugins?
05:11:46 <vf2nsr> so whjat is the point of releasing prgrams that are not whole?
05:12:02 <Gringoloco> Just john changed the AppID, that's all
05:12:21 <Gringoloco> ...and it confuses you
05:12:42 <vf2nsr> Change what app id?
05:13:00 <vf2nsr> you are making not much sense
05:13:53 <vf2nsr> So everyone who downloads this Unicode NSIS and New Launcher will then have to get the plugin as well?
05:14:17 <Gringoloco> Unicode NSIS Portable, is officially released with the AddID NSIS Portable, so it installs itself into X:\PortableApps\NSISPortable
05:14:43 <vf2nsr> and?
05:14:51 <Gringoloco> Are you 100% sure you are using the officially released PAL?
05:14:58 <vf2nsr> YES
05:15:08 <vf2nsr> downloaded it from the Release page
05:16:05 <vf2nsr> Unless PA website, Sourceforge have all been hijacked
05:16:11 <Gringoloco> Cause on my system it doesn't compile at all from X:\PortableApps\UnicodeNSISPortable anymore
05:16:57 <vf2nsr> the folder name is NSIS POrtable
05:17:02 <vf2nsr> Portable
05:17:13 <vf2nsr> On menu Unicode is in ( )
05:17:36 <Gringoloco> Yes, but read your log, it's using it from folder UnicodeNSISPortable
05:17:52 <vf2nsr> So then ther eis a bug?
05:18:10 <vf2nsr> either the name needs changing or the folder?
05:18:37 <vf2nsr> I realize what it says
05:18:45 <vf2nsr> BUT i do not have such a folder
05:19:02 <vf2nsr> I will reurn it and repaste it
05:19:51 <vf2nsr> and it is still looking for the unicodeNsis which mean there is a bug in something?
05:20:01 <vf2nsr> like the launcher or the nameing of the new nsis
05:20:30 <vf2nsr> so if I rename the folder will that fix it?
05:21:32 <Gringoloco> I would say re-download, and double-check where you install it to, cause I'm not experiencing this at all
05:21:51 <vf2nsr> redownload which the NSIS or the launcher?
05:21:59 <vf2nsr> or both?
05:22:03 <Gringoloco> (Unicode)NSIS Portable & PAL, to make sure
05:22:11 <vf2nsr> ok will do now
05:22:47 <Gringoloco> and do not dl PAL from Chris's topic, but the official release
05:23:10 <Gringoloco> http://portableapps.com/news/2010-06-30_-_portableapps.com_launcher_2.0
05:24:21 <vf2nsr> I did and have now getting NSIS
05:24:55 <vf2nsr> https://sourceforge.net/projects/portableapps/files/PortableApps.com%20Launcher/PortableApps.com%20Launcher%202.0/PortableApps.comLauncher_2.0.0.paf.exe/download this was for launcher
05:25:21 <vf2nsr> https://sourceforge.net/projects/portableapps/files/NSIS%20Portable/NSIS%20Portable%202.46%20Rev%202/NSISPortable_2.46_Rev_2_English.paf.exe/download was for nsis
05:25:39 <vf2nsr> OK I deleted both previosu versions going to install now
05:27:05 <vf2nsr> OK Now I know the problem The 2,46 rev 2 NSIS is defaulting hte load to NSISPOrtable
05:27:13 <vf2nsr> Not UNICODE NSISPortable
05:28:27 <Gringoloco> That's what I was trying to tell you, so is it working now?
05:28:59 <vf2nsr> Have to renam e before installing BUT then NSIS installer needs to be modified then
05:29:05 <vf2nsr> most users accept default
05:29:20 <vf2nsr> can you give me exact wording for folder name
05:29:39 <Gringoloco> DO NOT RENAME IT, why would you
05:30:03 <Gringoloco> it only works for the default
05:30:14 <vf2nsr> Because it installs itself to NSISPortable folder and you just told me it needs to install to UNICODENSIS
05:30:35 <Gringoloco> Where did I say that ?
05:30:39 <vf2nsr> fine I will install it default
05:31:23 <vf2nsr> when you said the error log shows it in wrong default
05:31:49 <vf2nsr> Do you understand the point I am trying to explain?
05:32:16 <Gringoloco> Yes, that's why I also believe you weren't using the official PAL
05:32:46 <vf2nsr> I am and was have downloaded it 3 times so far into seperate location I am attempting to run it again hang on
05:33:25 <vf2nsr> OK errored again
05:33:35 <vf2nsr> would you like the entire error pasted?
05:33:45 <Gringoloco> please
05:34:21 <vf2nsr> ok one moment
05:34:36 <Gringoloco> I've been trying to reproduce this, and I can not
05:35:20 <vf2nsr> hang on looking for the notepad it was open a moment ago
05:35:48 <vf2nsr> Wait I think I see the problem
05:38:25 <vf2nsr> this is getting more and more interesting
05:38:40 <vf2nsr> OK here isa what has been "discovered" so far
05:38:55 <vf2nsr> Apparently I had NSISP and UnicodeNSISP
05:39:05 <vf2nsr> apparently I uninstalled only NSISP
05:39:32 <vf2nsr> so just deleted UNICODENSIS reinstalled new NSISP (Unicode
05:40:20 <vf2nsr> Now when I generate with New launcher get error that is can not find Unicode NSIS and the makensis.ece file?
05:40:34 <vf2nsr> exe
05:40:36 <Gringoloco> please sent the log
05:40:52 <vf2nsr> I am going to delete all of it again and try reinstalling it all again
05:41:01 <vf2nsr> There is no log it never gets that far
05:42:36 <vf2nsr> OK ALL nsis off and launchersa off now will reinstall the newest NSIS and Newest launcher
05:43:17 <Gringoloco> do install everything to default
05:44:06 <vf2nsr> Always do I think part of problem was the beta unicodensis was listed as unicodensis so was not deleted first time
05:44:18 <vf2nsr> now only thing on will be new nsis and new launcher
05:44:33 <vf2nsr> ok installed now will test it
05:45:26 <vf2nsr> OK that was the issue
05:45:54 <vf2nsr> I think it needs to be reminded to folks to delete the UnicodeNSIS and not just the NSIS
05:46:12 <vf2nsr> and that that should be done BEfore installing anythiing
05:46:28 <vf2nsr> Because I followed directions
05:46:42 <vf2nsr> butr never considered a program that was named differently
05:46:44 <Gringoloco> I'm not sure what exactly you did over there, but I do not need to delete it
05:47:09 <vf2nsr> I had to remove the UnicodeNSIPortable install
05:47:26 <vf2nsr> in order for the Launcher to run the NSISPortable (unicode)
05:47:53 <Gringoloco> and I did not, but nevermind I'm happy it's working for you
05:48:00 <vf2nsr> I followed the directions listed bby the nsis remove all previous NSIS programs and launchers before installing
05:48:33 <vf2nsr> well apparently the launcher was defaulting to the other version for some weird reason?
05:48:40 <Gringoloco> nevermind, got to have break-fast now
05:48:43 <vf2nsr> anyway I hope others do not have this issue
05:48:45 <vf2nsr> thanks
05:48:51 <vf2nsr> and Congrats on the tag
05:49:36 <Gringoloco> if others did, we would have heard about it by now
05:49:44 <vf2nsr> ttyl time to debug Snarl and find out why my reg is messing up
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06:21:38 <Gringoloco> ChrisMorgan: Do you ever make use of nsisconf.nsh ?
06:22:02 <ChrisMorgan> I personally have never done so.
06:22:16 <Gringoloco> BTW: I'm sorry about your wishdom theeth, I hope you're fine
06:22:55 <ChrisMorgan> No need to be sorry, it's to save trouble later :-)
06:24:56 <Gringoloco> What would you think about the following:
06:24:59 <Gringoloco> ${IfThen} ${BOMisANSI} "$INSTALLAPPDIRECTORY\Other\Source\EULA.txt" ${|} ${FileRecode} "$INSTALLAPPDIRECTORY\Other\Source\EULA.txt" "ToUTF8" ${|}
06:25:36 <ChrisMorgan> What would that do - just insert the BOM at the start if it's not there?
06:26:25 <Gringoloco> Recode the EULA.txt to utf-8, if it's ansi (maybe an option for PAI, one day)
06:28:24 <Gringoloco> I've finished TextFunc.nsh, and added some additional features, it's on your server now
06:33:17 <ChrisMorgan> And that ANSI to UTF-8 conversion would be just putting in the BOM, right?
06:33:32 <ChrisMorgan> Unless codepage to Unicode conversion was also done :P
06:33:47 <Gringoloco> No, it has to translate it
06:35:36 <Gringoloco> a lot of characters have a different code, this would solve the problem for the characters in an EULA.txt
06:36:28 <Gringoloco> I've also added "ToUTF16LE' & "ToANSI"
06:36:46 <Gringoloco> see the readme.txt
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08:35:45 <pa_5550> hi
08:36:47 <pa_5550> why is the portable apps icon in my system tray?
08:40:15 <pa_5550> pls help!
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10:29:30 <EndymionMallorn> Hi, I have some questions regarding PortableApps.
10:29:48 <auscompgeek> Ask away.
10:31:04 <auscompgeek> heh, I make myself look like the Firefox portable-apper :P
10:31:58 <EndymionMallorn> Well, I'm an avid 7-Zip user, to the point that I have "wowed" one of my nerdier friends that I could navigate his linux folders in Windows using it. I've seen that they have a 9.15 beta release, and I was wondering if there might be a possibility of seeing that as a portableapp in the near future, for testing purposes.
10:32:40 <auscompgeek> You could search the beta testing forum.
10:34:05 <EndymionMallorn> I was hoping for more of an official release, like the Firefox beta builds have recieved.
10:36:19 <auscompgeek> afaik, only Firefox and Chrome get beta releases
10:36:48 <EndymionMallorn> Eh. I support SRWare Iron as the better build from Chromium.
10:42:30 <EndymionMallorn> Either way, though. That was #1. #2 is pretty simple. I use an older PA.c menu (so that I can customize it more) on one drive, Lupo PenSuite on another, and WinPenPack on the third. Are there any known incompatible programs between the three that you're aware of?
10:43:41 <auscompgeek> not that I know of, but don't ask me :/
10:46:40 <MaienM|Sleep> All our portable applications are designed to function without needing the menu, so there shouldn't be any problems
10:46:57 <auscompgeek> Yeah, I guess.
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10:48:30 <EndymionMallorn> So if there are issues, it'd be from the X-Apps from WPP. Sounds good, just wanted to be sure, because I know Lupo uses some of both, and some of their own as well (not to mention OperaUSB).
10:48:55 <MaienM> yeah, I don
10:49:09 <MaienM> t know about any of the other apps, but all our (official) apps should work just fine
10:49:41 <auscompgeek> OperaUSB should also work fine.
10:50:32 <EndymionMallorn> It has. Older versions had a weird second program come up in the menu, but that's been fixed.
10:54:12 <EndymionMallorn> Oh, wait. One more question before I head off. Is there any way to add a web link into PA.c's menu? So that I can, say, access my email account, or Jango, or Meebo, via a link in the list, like Lupo allows?
10:54:45 <auscompgeek> why not make that Firefox's homepage? ;)
10:56:04 <EndymionMallorn> Because I got used to having Google as my homepage back in Netscape Navigator. Haven't changed since. And I'm not going to set three tabs as a homepage. Takes too much memory on starting that way.
10:57:21 <auscompgeek> BarTab + App Tabs :D
10:59:47 <MaienM> EndymionMallorn: nope, adding links to the menu is not possible
11:01:15 <EndymionMallorn> Thanks. See you later.
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12:26:31 <pa_9919> hi
12:27:13 <pa_9919> first of all i've a basic question
12:27:28 <auscompgeek> ask away
12:28:00 <pa_9919> i have a .net app using some frameworks as well as sql 2005 database
12:28:13 <pa_9919> can i convert that?
12:29:09 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> to?
12:29:26 <pa_9919> towards a portable app
12:30:14 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> No. .net isn't portable
12:30:28 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> and there are no sql programs that are portable either
12:30:31 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> client nor server
12:30:37 <pa_9919> :-(
12:30:47 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> the best you could do for that is use MySQL via xampp portable
12:30:53 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> but .Net is not portable
12:31:18 <pa_9919> ok, thanks - bad luck for me
12:31:26 <Gizmokid2005|AFK> you're welcome
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15:50:41 <Drive-Dude> Hi I wante to ask. Will themes for beta 4 also work on beta 5?
15:51:39 <ZachThibeau> as far as I know it won't work, there was some changes to the theme core that might cause some incompatibility issues
15:51:49 <sar3th> hm, i don't know...i think they will, but i guess only JohnTHaller knows
15:52:18 <ZachThibeau> but still hard to tell since the next beta isn't out yet
15:54:01 <Drive-Dude> I was to ask because When I was have boring time. I made about 22 themes for beta 4. And now they maybe would not work
15:54:51 <ZachThibeau> like I said it's still relatively early to tell at this time
15:55:13 <Drive-Dude> alright
15:55:21 <ZachThibeau> your best bet (as much as it will be hard to do) is to wait until it's out
15:55:49 <Drive-Dude> about in 10 days like on the blog
15:56:22 <ZachThibeau> well john usually says 1 date but really means another, so it may or may not be 10 days, time will tell
15:57:00 <sar3th> yes, that is right
15:59:43 <Drive-Dude> Alright
16:00:02 <Drive-Dude> I can waite.
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