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00:07:17 <pa_2657> new to this but have a question for portable apps website...is there a way to rsync the ftp directories so that you don't have to continually visit the website to update apps?
00:08:38 <sar3th> i don't think so, but in the next version of the portableapps platform, there will be an auto-updater
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00:53:47 <pa_2657> ty kindly! take care friend
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04:09:10 <Horusofoz> Hey all
04:09:30 <Horusofoz> Anyone know how to change Pidgin Buddy Liist theme?
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09:47:17 <pa_6900> Hi there.
09:49:07 <pa_6900> Can anyone help me? I would like to install the PortableApps on my USB key.
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13:37:52 <pa_4218> help
13:37:52 <GizmoBot> pa_4218: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
13:39:00 <pa_4218> Is it possible to install a .u3p program on my PortableApps drive?
14:01:27 <sar3th> hm, i don't know, sorry
14:05:25 <pa_4218> After reading posts on the forum, it doesn't look like it. I have a portable version of the efax viewer that runs on my u3 drive, but I'd rather run it on my portapps drive.
14:08:28 <Bensawsome> pa_4218 no it isnt
14:08:44 <Bensawsome> it has to be a u3 driver with the u3 launcher on it
14:08:48 <Bensawsome> *drive
14:09:25 <pa_4218> thx
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15:53:50 <Drive-Dude> Hi
15:54:15 <sar3th> hi Drive-Dude
15:54:24 <Drive-Dude> I wante to ask about PortableApps.com Platform beta 5.
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15:57:23 <Drive-Dude> What happen
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15:58:28 <Drive-Dude> A major load of freaky text just flashed here so I did log of and then back
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16:01:11 <Drive-Dude> I was looking at this screenshot http://portableapps.com/files/blogimages/platform2preview/options-theme.png Does this mean I can use any kind of theme and not just for 2.0 and not just those the Portableapps.com Team did
16:02:16 <Drive-Dude> help
16:02:16 <GizmoBot> Drive-Dude: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
16:04:31 <sar3th> hm Drive-Dude, i don't know
16:04:49 <sar3th> i think you can use any 2.0 theme, yes
16:04:59 <sar3th> i don't know when it will be released
16:05:49 <Drive-Dude> I mean also themes of the old versions it did say classic on the screenshot
16:06:12 <sar3th> i do not know :/
16:06:15 <sar3th> sorry
16:06:38 <Drive-Dude> alright I was to believe maybe you missed that part
16:06:40 <Drive-Dude> sorry
16:06:52 <sar3th> no problem Drive-Dude
16:07:04 <Drive-Dude> thanks for understanding
16:07:56 <Drive-Dude> Because I maid one kick ass theme. I just love it
16:08:37 <sar3th> maybe you can port it to 2.0 :)
16:09:09 <Drive-Dude> or make some changes so it will work
16:09:31 <sar3th> that's what i meant
16:10:28 <Drive-Dude> Thanks for the help
16:11:09 <Drive-Dude> Because it did take some day to for perfect
16:11:17 <Drive-Dude> days
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18:13:30 <padhot> help!
18:13:31 <GizmoBot> padhot: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
18:13:52 <padhot> um quick question, i need help with development
18:13:55 <padhot> of an app
18:14:05 <padhot> is this the room for that? or is there another dev room?
18:14:20 <Gizmokid2005> padhot: ask your question here, that's fine
18:14:21 <sar3th> padhot: you can ask here or in #portableapps-dev if you wish
18:15:01 <padhot> ok so i hav done some work with nsis launchers in the past and i am familar with variables like %APPDATA% and things like that
18:15:16 <padhot> however when looking at the portableapps.comlauncher
18:15:37 <padhot> i see variabls like this: %PAL:AppDir%
18:15:50 <padhot> how is that different from %APPDIR%
18:15:55 <sar3th> yes, they are chrismorgan's way of doing
18:16:04 <sar3th> honestly, i don't know
18:16:12 <sar3th> is there nothing in his docs?
18:16:15 <Gizmokid2005> padhot: best I can tell you, check the docs for it
18:16:30 <padhot> do many of you use the older method of making apps?
18:16:54 <Gizmokid2005> that's the only way I've ever done mine
18:17:00 <Gizmokid2005> PAL wasn't out when I did mine.
18:17:09 <padhot> ahh so u still use the old way
18:17:31 <Gizmokid2005> I have for right now
18:17:40 <Gizmokid2005> just haven't spent the time to convert everything over
18:20:40 <padhot> ok
18:20:48 <padhot> then is there an app i should use an example
18:20:52 <padhot> so i can make my own?
18:21:12 <Gizmokid2005> padhot: any of them really.
18:21:27 <Gizmokid2005> but what exactly does your app need to take care of?
18:22:35 <padhot> i hav one folder in application data
18:22:44 <padhot> and one registry key made
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18:23:57 <Gizmokid2005> Hmmm
18:24:00 <Gizmokid2005> those are both pretty easy
18:24:09 <Gizmokid2005> Songbird Portable is a good one to look at
18:24:20 <sar3th> cos it's maintained by you ;)
18:24:46 <sar3th> which is not a bad thing ofc
18:25:01 <padhot> lol
18:25:02 <sar3th> but you want more downloads, don't you? :P be honest!
18:25:05 <padhot> ok will take a look at that
18:25:08 <Gizmokid2005> Well, Songbird has both the appdata and registry entries in it
18:25:14 <Gizmokid2005> and I KNOW it uses the old launchers
18:26:37 <padhot> haha i appreciate the help
18:27:49 <Gizmokid2005> anytime padhot
18:28:04 <sar3th> :)
18:32:01 <padhot> cya guys :)
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18:40:54 <GizmoBot> zachthibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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19:09:46 <padhot> hey Gizmokid2005 i have another quick question
19:09:59 <padhot> i need to reset the enviornment variable appdata
19:10:07 <padhot> so i found this line and modified itt
19:10:09 <padhot> System::Call 'Kernel32::SetEnvironmentVariableA(t, t) i("", "$SETTINGSDIRECTORY").r0'
19:10:17 <padhot> but it does not reset it
19:10:19 <padhot> any ideas?
19:10:55 <gluxon> padhot: That line only temporarily modifys environment variables, and only for the launchers and its launched programs.
19:11:16 <padhot> correct line: System::Call 'Kernel32::SetEnvironmentVariableA(t, t) i("APPDATA", "$SETTINGSDIRECTORY").r0'
19:11:29 <padhot> and i run the variable check from within the launcher
19:11:35 <padhot> it still only shows the new line
19:11:45 <padhot> by new i mean the old line
19:12:27 <gluxon> How are you reading it? (ReadEnvVar)?
19:12:41 <padhot> MessageBox MB_OK|MB_ICONEXCLAMATION $APPDATA
19:12:47 <gluxon> Ah.
19:13:11 <padhot> is that not right?
19:13:13 <gluxon> It's modifying it fine, but you're using the wrong variable for the message box.
19:13:19 <padhot> oh
19:13:24 <gluxon> check up ReadEnvVar in the NSIS Manual.
19:13:25 <padhot> how do i check then?
19:15:08 <padhot> btw gluxon its readenvstr
19:15:18 <gluxon> Oh, sorry.
19:16:05 <padhot> its cool
19:16:08 <padhot> but it still does not work
19:17:48 <padhot> gluxon: here is a segment of the code
19:17:49 <padhot> http://pastebin.com/AHfYp1jX
19:17:53 <padhot> it does not work however
19:18:43 <padhot> line 3 output is: C:\Users\Prateek\AppData\Roaming
19:19:17 <padhot> when it should b line 4 output which is: C:\Users\Prateek\Desktop\WorkingDir\OovooPortable\Data\settings
19:21:13 <gluxon> Strange, that code should be working.
19:21:52 <gluxon> Could you post the entire script?
19:23:31 <padhot> sure one sec
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19:27:21 <padhot> gluxon: http://pastebin.org/386667
19:27:41 <padhot> btw im working on win7 im not sure if that changes things
19:28:30 <sar3th> it's nice to see some people are still working on their own launchers :)
19:31:43 <padhot> sar3th: im an old school programmer, i prefer code to fancy other stuff. its why i dont like wysiwyg editors :P
19:32:20 <sar3th> :)
19:32:23 * MaienM applauds padhot
19:32:24 <MaienM> :)
19:32:35 * padhot bows
19:32:39 <padhot> thanks :)
19:42:07 <gluxon> padhot: You know you have "Goto TheEnd" right before "ExecWait $EXECSTRING"? :P
19:42:38 <padhot> gluxon: i just did not want the program to run
19:42:51 <gluxon> Oh.
19:42:53 <padhot> i just wanted to see the message boxes work properly
19:43:24 <gluxon> sar3th: Can you see anything wrong with his current code? I can't find anything.
19:45:02 <padhot> could it be because this is windows 7 gluxon sar3th
19:46:02 <ZachThibeau> it shouldn't
19:46:43 <MaienM> yeah, that should be no problem as far as I'm aware
19:47:19 <sar3th> i think so too
19:48:31 <ZachThibeau> hmm I should think of rewritting pal as a C++ project :P the only thing I could see that would be hard is the custom code part which the current pal written in nsis supports :/
19:49:15 <sar3th> i'd rather delphi it
19:49:28 <sar3th> let's move that discussion to -dev please ZachThibeau
19:50:01 <ZachThibeau> nah I'm done anyways, I'm helping dave compile PChat on arch atm
19:50:34 <gluxon> padhot: Could you try the SetEnv plugin? It's worked perfectly for me. http://nsis.sourceforge.net/Setting_Environment_Variables_to_Active_Installer_Process
19:50:55 <gluxon> I never got the system plug-in method to work, but multiple users say it does.
19:55:26 <padhot> gluxon: tried
19:55:29 <padhot> result is the same
19:56:09 <gluxon> Could you launch the app and just see if it redirects?
19:56:15 <padhot> updated code
19:56:15 <padhot> http://pastebin.org/pastebin.php?diff=386676
19:56:18 <padhot> and sure one sec
19:59:42 <padhot> still no dice
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20:02:47 <padhot> *sigh* i think nsis hates me
20:04:04 <Gizmokid2005> padhot: moment
20:04:09 <padhot> sure
20:06:03 <Gizmokid2005> padhot: look at Pidgin Portable's launcher here: http://pastebin.org/386686
20:06:10 <Gizmokid2005> John wrote this and it handles envvar
20:07:44 <padhot> ok lemme take a look
20:23:07 <padhot> he does it the same way i did
20:23:10 <padhot> it still does not work
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20:24:09 <Gizmokid2005> padhot: are you admin?
20:24:16 <padhot> yessir
20:24:31 <Gizmokid2005> hmmm
20:24:37 <Gizmokid2005> I'm not sure...is it just NOT setting the path?
20:24:44 <padhot> exactly
20:24:49 <Gizmokid2005> how are you checking?
20:25:02 <padhot> 222 222 ReadEnvStr $0 APPDATA 223 223 MessageBox MB_OK|MB_ICONEXCLAMATION $0 224 224 MessageBox MB_OK|MB_ICONEXCLAMATION $SETTINGSDIRECTORY
20:25:15 <padhot> http://pastebin.org/pastebin.php?diff=386676
20:25:17 <padhot> line 222
20:26:18 <Gizmokid2005> padhot: wrong
20:26:21 <Gizmokid2005> should be this:
20:26:30 <Gizmokid2005> ReadEnvStr $0 "PATH"
20:27:32 <Gizmokid2005> wait
20:27:42 <padhot> um thats what i did
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20:28:40 <Gizmokid2005> why are you trying to set APPDATA?
20:30:22 <padhot> Gizmokid2005: i am trying to redirect the data from stuff that is stored in appdata
20:30:37 <Gizmokid2005> padhot: you can't CHANGE APPDATA
20:30:41 <Gizmokid2005> it's not an ENVVAR
20:30:50 <Gizmokid2005> you have to copy it before and after you launch the actual app
20:30:53 <Gizmokid2005> you can't change it.
20:31:34 <padhot> i hav seen it done before tho
20:31:48 <Gizmokid2005> with one of our NSIS apps?
20:31:52 <padhot> yea
20:31:58 <padhot> inkscape
20:32:00 <padhot> frets on fire
20:32:19 <padhot> Gizmokid2005: http://portableapps.com/node/21978
20:33:54 <padhot> http://pastebin.org/386710
20:34:02 <padhot> line 68 this is frets on fire
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20:37:13 <padhot> eh u kno what...screw this
20:37:18 <padhot> it was a good project
20:37:31 <Gizmokid2005> most I can tell you padhot is to post in the forums
20:37:32 <padhot> but it took way too long, y'all already hav skype portable i iwll use that
20:37:38 <Gizmokid2005> I don't think you can truly redirect APPDATA
20:37:47 <padhot> i guess not
20:37:48 <padhot> cya
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20:41:58 <Alcasar> E:\PortableApps\CommonFiles\Java\lib\servicetag is full of files all with the same name "V" and that can't be deleted
20:46:35 <Alcasar> Anyone knows how 128 files can take over 600 Meg and be undeletable because they can't be found?
20:48:28 <gluxon> Alcasar: Your drive's File System is corrupt. Run Microsoft's Disk Check.
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23:12:16 <shanet> hey
23:12:48 <auscompgeek> Hello, how can we help you?
23:12:53 <ZachThibeau> hey shanet
23:13:20 <shanet> I want to make portable apps that are worthy of an official release
23:13:54 <shanet> I have used the palauncher and done it with the launcher.ini file and want to take it to the next level
23:14:45 <shanet> I have noticed that all the official releases do not have the launcher folder under appdata, and have nsi scripts and things like that under the source file.
23:15:12 <auscompgeek> NSIS Portable uses the new launcher generator.
23:15:15 <shanet> sorry, brb
23:15:25 <ZachThibeau> because not all PortableApps listed have been converted to use the new launcher
23:18:24 <shanet> so once they are all upgraded they will all have the launcher folder?
23:18:30 <MaienM> The palauncher system is quite new, and not all apps have been converted (or will be converted) to it. Over time more and more (but likely not all) official apps will be changed to use the new launcher system. Those nsis files in the Source folder are the old-school way that all launchers used before the palauncher existed.
23:19:03 <shanet> ok. I think i get it now.
23:19:39 <ZachThibeau> stuff like Songbird need much more advanced launchers that the new launcher can't quite handle properly yet
23:19:43 <shanet> what you are saying is that i am doing it the newer way and that all the source files are the old way of doing it?
23:19:57 <ZachThibeau> no not all the apps
23:20:29 <ZachThibeau> apps like PChat Portable (which yes shameless plug I am the main developer of PChat and the Portable version) use the new launcher
23:20:53 <ZachThibeau> anyways guys brb need to reboot back into windows
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23:20:59 <MaienM> that is correct shanet, the palauncher is the new system, the NSIS files in the Source folder are the old system
23:21:02 <shanet> yes. i did read about you developing that.
23:21:05 <shanet> kk
23:22:09 <shanet> ah. Thankyou for that.
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23:22:14 <shanet> That is such a relief.
23:23:01 <shanet> @MainenM Can I just ask you, have you ever had your own official release?
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23:23:41 <MaienM> yeah, I am the author of The Mana World Portable
23:23:57 <shanet> ok. Thanks
23:24:26 <shanet> So then what does it take to prepare an app for release, and how did you go about it?
23:25:04 <MaienM> well first you need to create the actual app and, of course, test it.
23:25:26 <MaienM> after that you create a thread in the beta forum about it, so that people can test it
23:25:50 <MaienM> once it's been tested enough and found to be stable you need to post about it in a specific thread
23:26:14 <MaienM> after that you go to pre-release stadium, mostly just finishing stuff up, probably getting more people to test it
23:26:22 <auscompgeek> I wonder if Firefox Portable 3.6.6 works under WINE.
23:26:29 <MaienM> and then, once JTH decides it's reade, it gets released
23:26:57 <shanet> So you make it portable
23:27:04 <shanet> then you test it
23:27:17 <shanet> From there you post it in the forums
23:27:31 <shanet> I assume the beta testing thread?
23:27:39 <MaienM> yeah
23:27:48 <shanet> ok.
23:28:17 <shanet> Then about how many people need to test it and provide feedback?
23:28:58 <MaienM> there isn't a fixed number as far as I'm aware, it's more like a feeling that it's been tested enough
23:29:03 <MaienM> which is totally up to JTH
23:29:17 <MaienM> this probably is the fase where most app fail/don't get past
23:29:47 <shanet> ok
23:30:26 <shanet> then once it is ready for official release, where does it go and would the developer/converter have to do anything?
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23:31:32 <MaienM> once it's been tested enough you post about it in the "apps ready for official release" topic
23:32:09 <MaienM> and from there on... well, once you get to that stage you'll see/be told what to do
23:32:48 <pa_5740> I have a question about a site called portableappz.blogspot.com
23:32:59 <shanet> ok. Where can I find the apps for official release topic?
23:33:03 <vf2nsr> From my limitted expierance it does not happen "overnight"
23:33:17 <qwertymodo> pa_5740 it is a scam site
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23:33:42 <pa_5740> has anyone contacted the owner of said site?
23:33:52 <qwertymodo> yes, it's well known
23:34:06 <shanet> I understand that I just want to know what I would have to do for when i hopefully get there
23:34:19 <pa_5740> Any way of shutting it down?
23:34:24 <MaienM> shanet: look for it in the forums, not sure where but a search should be able to find it
23:34:35 <MaienM> it'll be a while though, it's a quite long process
23:34:51 <MaienM> not really pa_5740, else it would've been done already
23:34:52 <qwertymodo> pretty much everything that can be done has been
23:34:54 <vf2nsr> shanet: http://portableapps.com/development/test
23:35:15 <shanet> ok thanks
23:35:19 <pa_5740> That's too bad
23:35:39 <shanet> ok. Ive already been there
23:35:41 <MaienM> IANAL though, so I'm not sure that options there are, but I'm pretty sure that everything that can be done has been done already
23:36:06 <shanet> and I just post it as i would for the beta release section?
23:36:07 <qwertymodo> yeah, it doesn't help that any time someone asks exactly what you have, it just gets deleted from the forums, so new people find it and don't see that it's already been discussed over and over
23:36:18 <pa_5740> I do have another question however.
23:36:28 <vf2nsr> If you read there is a specific "post" to post
23:37:34 <MaienM> shanet: http://portableapps.com/node/11772
23:38:05 <pa_5740> do you know if Coolplayer is legal or not? I've tried contacting them (albeit once) but to no avail.
23:38:54 <MaienM> I'm pretty sure it is, else it wouldn't have been released on portableapps.com
23:38:59 <shanet> Thankyou for your help you have been amazing. I just spent the last 5 or so hours trying to figure out this NSIS and thinking ill never get it by myself. its good to know i dont have to.
23:39:03 <MaienM> what makes you think it isn't?
23:39:55 <vf2nsr> shanet: great now you can fiugure me out lol over 1000 registry entries plus trying to register dll's
23:41:08 <pa_5740> Well, I'm not an expert on this, but in order to have such players, don't you have to have permission to use the respective decoders?
23:41:25 <pa_5740> I mean audio decoders
23:41:27 <shanet> haha lol. hav u eliminated the registry entries that arent needed?
23:41:45 <pa_5740> Like mp3, wma & such
23:41:53 <MaienM> most players take care of that by just linking to a place to download them
23:42:05 <vf2nsr> oh yah
23:42:09 <MaienM> and some format are open source, which means such permission is not needed
23:42:16 <MaienM> I know it is needed for mp3
23:42:18 <shanet> What I have done is just create the .reg file, after eliminating some entries of course
23:42:47 <shanet> then I have simply copied what 7-zip has done renaming it all of course
23:43:13 <pa_5740> I'm aware of codecs like ogg & flac, but concerning the others, how does linking to them solve the problem?
23:43:19 <shanet> i only ever get a minor read about the internet config (dont know why).
23:43:38 <shanet> i dont like or understand putting it in the launcher.ini file
23:43:42 <vf2nsr> same here but having issue with a dll registering
23:43:57 <vf2nsr> but it is a challenge to say the least
23:44:10 <shanet> and the way i do it, it automatically updates the registry
23:44:15 <shanet> entries
23:44:36 <shanet> i posted a question about dll registering the other day.
23:44:40 <MaienM> pa_5740: if you just link to them instead of including them you are not including them and don't need permission to do so
23:44:54 <shanet> http://portableapps.com/node/23894
23:45:00 <qwertymodo> pa_5740 basically most players or converters (like Audacity) that use mp3 do not include the actual mp3 codec, instead they allow it to be added as a plugin because there is one site that is allowed to distribute it
23:45:11 <shanet> that is where i asked the question
23:45:17 <MaienM> you just tell the used that you are not allowed to include the plugin for legal reasons, but that they can download it at adress ***, and that's that
23:45:23 <MaienM> as far as I know anyway
23:45:25 <shanet> and i did get an answer that u hav 2 be admin
23:45:45 <pa_5740> but then how does one use mp3?
23:45:50 <sar3th> registering dlls basically is evil
23:45:59 <vf2nsr> I am and it still not working but plugging away at it
23:46:08 <shanet> sorry,
23:46:13 <MaienM> basically they don't distribute it because they aren't allowed to do so, but they tell you which site/place is allowed to distribute it
23:46:16 <shanet> http://portableapps.com/node/23318#comment-150982
23:46:23 <shanet> thats what you are looking for
23:46:28 <shanet> i dont like it
23:46:31 <qwertymodo> here's the site that is allowed to distribute the LAME encoder http://lame.buanzo.com.ar/
23:46:44 <MaienM> which means that the user has to download the plugin for mp3 from that place to be able to use mp3
23:46:54 <pa_5740> Not to mention, doesn't Coolplayer have built-in support for other proprietary codecs like wma?
23:47:07 <shanet> it is prob easier to reverse engineer the soft and disable the dll and figure some other way round it
23:47:28 <MaienM> I don't know pa_5740, I've never used it
23:47:51 <vf2nsr> right now I am working with the original authors to get them to make some changes
23:48:05 <MaienM> but I'm pretty sure that it wouldn't be allowed on portableapps.com if it was illegal
23:48:17 <pa_5740> Concerning your comment about LAME, that isn't a decoder.
23:48:27 <MaienM> so the fact that it is an offficial app is a pretty strong sign it probably is fine to me
23:48:43 <shanet> haha good move
23:48:44 <MaienM> anyway, IANAL and I'm not sure how this stuff all works exactly
23:48:52 <pa_5740> Although I do have information concerning the use of LAME legally.
23:48:54 <shanet> can i ask what software it is?
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23:49:43 <vf2nsr> Snarl
23:49:51 <qwertymodo> JTH is pretty good about checking into that kind of stuff and he knows what he's doing, so I'd say it's probably legit
23:50:02 <shanet> never heard of it
23:50:03 <pa_5740> JTH?
23:50:10 <shanet> what is it?
23:50:10 <sar3th> John T Haller
23:50:20 <sar3th> the founder of portableapps
23:50:22 <pa_5740> Ohhhhhh....
23:50:24 <MaienM|Sleep> I agree with qwertymodo, but I can understand that probably is a pretty poor explanation
23:50:37 <MaienM|Sleep> if I were you I'd post in the forums about it
23:50:42 <pa_5740> How would I contact him?
23:51:01 <MaienM|Sleep> either through the forums or through the contact page
23:51:21 <shanet> you could send him an emai,
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23:51:36 <shanet> i think his website is johnhaller.com
23:51:48 <shanet> was just on it not libg ago
23:51:55 <shanet> not a bad site
23:52:09 <pa_5740> one minute please.......
23:52:15 <qwertymodo> I've had better luck trying to catch him here
23:52:20 <qwertymodo> instead of email
23:52:35 <qwertymodo> but you can certainly try it
23:52:39 <shanet> yes you would
23:53:02 <shanet> Well i best be off. Thankyou for clearing that problem up, it brings so much relief to me.
23:53:31 <pa_5740> I agree, it says on his page that the e-mail is not for support questions.
23:53:55 <pa_5740> one minute please
23:54:31 <shanet> true
23:54:54 <shanet> I dont want to learn another programming lang, im learning C++ at the moment and that on top of school is enough :(
23:55:38 <shanet> so i will hopefully come back here one day to help others, but until then goodbye and good luck
23:55:41 <shanet> bye
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23:56:08 <pa_5740> qwertymodo & MaienM|Sleep, do you have somewhat close contact with JTH?
23:57:06 <qwertymodo> no, I've just been around awhile
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23:57:31 <qwertymodo> I have 1 app that made it to prerelease and hasn't gone anywhere since :P
23:57:41 <shanet> sorry, 1 more question
23:57:58 <pa_5740> shanet's back!
23:58:07 <shanet> the splash screen. Does JTH do that when it gets to release status?
23:58:16 <sar3th> yes
23:58:20 <shanet> nice to see im loved :{
23:58:24 <shanet> *:P
23:58:32 <shanet> ok, Thankyou.
23:59:01 <shanet> ~~~ And as fast as he appeared, he vanished into thin air! ~~~
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23:59:12 <pa_5740> How true!