IRC Log from 2010-07-13

00:00:08 <MaienM> although I suppose if a mod decides it does contain a lot of useful information that most users would benefit from knowing they could decide to pin it
00:00:22 <MaienM> their names are mentioned in the header of the forums
00:00:27 <MaienM> Moderators: ....
00:01:10 <ChrisMorgan> pa_5740: it's not really the sort of topic that gets stickied in our forums.
00:01:18 <MaienM> I'm not even sure whether a normal mod could do that or whether it'd take an admin like CM or JTH to do it
00:01:28 <pa_5740> MaienM: Speaking of useful information, is my topic useful? Gizmokid2005 said a while back that he didn't get the point of my topic.
00:03:06 <ChrisMorgan> It was mainly just a form-letter response from MPEG LA, wasn't it? It's information which is fairly readily available on their website, and just saying /why/ it can't be redistributed (patent licensing). That's right, isn't it?
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00:04:05 <MaienM|Sleep> pa_5740: I don't know, I didn't really look into it that much to be honest so I can't really judge that
00:04:29 <pa_5740> ChrisMorgan: Well, there are some specifics that aren't spoken about on their sites that are mentioned in my thread.
00:05:14 <pa_5740> ChrisMorgan: Of course, I might not have it set up in the best fashion, so I'm open to suggestions.
00:07:29 <pa_5740> ChrisMorgan: Actually, to my knowledge, the info concerning MPEG-2, MPEG-4 & H.264 that I have posted isn't on the website.
00:07:54 <pa_5740> ChrisMorgan: I'll check quick.
00:11:45 <pa_5740> ChrisMorgan: I more or less breezed through it, but I didn't see anything like the details I posted.
00:12:50 <pa_5740> ChrisMorgan: Can I PM you about something?
00:12:55 <ChrisMorgan> Sure
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00:23:45 <SeraphX2> So, Windows7 doesn't like Autorun.inf. How do I get PortableApps to launch automatically when I plug my USB drive into a Windows7 PC?
00:24:35 <ChrisMorgan> SeraphX2: there's a small utility for the purpose which you can install to a host machine
00:24:50 <ChrisMorgan> .g portableapps.com autorun/autoplay test
00:24:50 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan: http://portableapps.com/node/13770
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00:28:09 <Jonathan___> Hi
00:28:19 <Jonathan___> can any one help me?
00:28:22 <ChrisMorgan> Sure
00:28:44 <Jonathan___> i want to create a short cut
00:28:53 <Jonathan___> i no speak english
00:28:58 <Jonathan___> so plis understend me
00:28:59 <ChrisMorgan> .def addingotherapps
00:29:01 <Jonathan___> jajajjajaja
00:29:01 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan: Sorry, but I don't know about addingotherapps
00:29:06 <ChrisMorgan> .def addingapps
00:29:06 <GizmoBot> addingapps is about adding applications to the PortableApps.com Menu; read http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#addingapps for details.
00:29:30 <ChrisMorgan> Try reading that section; I think that's what you're wanting? To add items to the PortableApps.com Menu?
00:33:36 <SeraphX2> that sucks...i mean, in a way, it almost makes portable apps inconvenient
00:34:09 <SeraphX2> POrtable Apps needs to develop a Windows Service that you can optionally install
00:34:17 <SeraphX2> that does the same thing as this dude is trying to do
00:36:52 <SeraphX2> Actually, hmmmmm...mebbe i could do this......a portable app with a GUI that you install on your USB drive that allows you to customize how the Service behaves and installs/deletes the service.
00:37:17 <ChrisMorgan> SeraphX2: that's what that utility does. It launches on system startup, not as a service, though. There's no need for it to be a service, it doesn't need administrative privileges or anything like that.
00:39:13 <SeraphX2> yeah...but it's either running a GUI, or it's not...if it runs a GUI it's extra resources..if it's not...you can't have settings unless you edit a file manually.
00:39:33 <SeraphX2> it seems PA would make something like this standard though seeing Windows7 wants to be a pain
00:40:26 <SeraphX2> oh wait....he says "part of the next platform release" does that mean they are integrating this?
00:40:46 <SeraphX2> i mean, this post is from 2008
00:40:53 <SeraphX2> and i don't see that functionality in PA
00:41:13 <ChrisMorgan> That was something he was toying with at the time. I don't believe John's planning on having it in the next beta of 2.0, but maybe it'll go in at some point.
00:43:07 <SeraphX2> besides...i don't like "half-assed" programs...is that thing even fully complete? it's called a test...doesn't say anything is officially good or "bugless"
00:43:54 <ChrisMorgan> It's a pretty simple thing.
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01:28:10 <JohnTHaller> hola
01:33:22 <ChrisMorgan> Hey JohnTHaller
01:33:41 <JohnTHaller> How goes it ChrisMorgan?
01:34:00 <ChrisMorgan> Fine. Just finishing off my big update of the manual now, I think.
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01:34:37 <JohnTHaller> Ah nice
01:35:21 <JohnTHaller> I'm working on a new package for Yandex. And a couple other non-2.0 things, annoyingly.
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02:34:50 <ChrisMorgan> shanet: my point on that registry thing is that I don't understand the way it starts with HKCU\Local Settings -- that's not a valid registry path.
02:35:12 <ChrisMorgan> And minus the Local Settings bit, it's in the list already.
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02:36:09 <shanet> ChrisMorgan: Yes, I understand that. I don't know how I got it. I had a look in my registry and there was no HKCU\Local Settings. Don't know how I got it.
02:36:33 <ChrisMorgan> Maybe regfromapp is wacky.
02:36:47 <shanet> possibly. Thats what I was using.
02:37:34 <shanet> I just wanted to say that I really appreciate your help with my questions and learning how to convert applications. You have been a real help.
02:37:55 <ChrisMorgan> You're welcome :-)
02:38:16 <shanet> And I asked a question a week or so ago about an online installer. I have figured it out (mostly) and it works like a charm.
02:38:28 <shanet> I have most of it figured out.
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02:40:50 <shanet> JohnTHaller: How's the platform going? Have you finished it yet and are testing it? Or are you injecting the last of the code?
02:42:12 <JohnTHaller> Beta 5 is coming along nicely. Dropping tomorrow with the new theming engine, portable fonts, updater and an app manager. Beta 6 will drop on the 20th with aero themes, categories and file associations.
02:42:33 <Bensawsome> o.o nice
02:43:18 <shanet> awesome. Beta 6 so fast? I love you (not literally) but ur cool
02:43:34 <OliverK> what about the screenies with the file associations in them?
02:44:15 <JohnTHaller> That's the options window. It's in there, just blank for now. It's a placeholder for translations basically :-)
02:44:41 <JohnTHaller> The preview was 2.0 features, not all beta 5 features. Some beta 6. Some final.
02:44:51 <OliverK> mock ups?
02:45:52 <shanet> sweet. It looks so awesome. I can't help but think if you were cahrging an initial fee for the right to use PA, you would be a very wealthy man.
02:45:52 <JohnTHaller> No, that tab is actually there in the options window. It's just not connected to anything functional yet. Still working the bugs out.
02:46:28 <JohnTHaller> I'm debating between including the category stuff in the context menus for translators. But I think some people may be annoyed that they don't work yet.
02:46:47 <OliverK> yeah
02:46:50 <JohnTHaller> Hmm... Maybe I'll add a special translator switch in the INI that shows the non-functional features.
02:46:54 <OliverK> do it anyway :)
02:47:07 <OliverK> that's a good way, of course, it adds the complexity
02:47:33 <JohnTHaller> Not really. They'll just be hidden and it'll check a single INI setting on launch to show them. It's like 3 lines of code.
02:48:04 <ChrisMorgan> shanet: John's had several opportunities of becoming very rich by selling out. Fortunately for us, he cares about the product more than the money :-)
02:48:26 <shanet> yes. Very selfless. I envy him in this way
02:48:29 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, I had one angel investor try to get me to go closed source and charge 20 or 30 bucks back 3 years gao
02:49:07 <JohnTHaller> Well, not totally selfless. I think it'll still be self-suficient and support me. But I don't think profitable and open source/free/open are mutually exclusive. And I aim to prove that.
02:49:13 <shanet> haha. You must get hammered with investors?
02:49:23 <JohnTHaller> I get cold calls from VCs, yeah.
02:49:35 <shanet> ...
02:50:27 <shanet> I've always been interested in software dev. I always think piracy is a niusance, but its also a compliment in a way.
02:50:48 <shanet> It means your software is so good people want to use it but cant afford it.
02:50:54 <OliverK> piracy is because developers have an over-inflated opionion of there software
02:51:07 <shanet> I know.
02:51:24 <shanet> But it tells a developer that they are doing something right.
02:51:38 <OliverK> yet they miss that they are doing osmething wrong
02:51:44 <shanet> because people areresorting to law breaking to get their hands on your software
02:51:58 <shanet> you are correct there
02:52:04 <OliverK> i've always been curious how many more millions more copies of office would sell itf was just 20 bucks
02:52:14 <JohnTHaller> There are a lot of things wrapped up in piracy, not just price and not just developer egos. It's an odd interplay of the 'information wants to be free mindset' idealogues, the folks who like software but can't afford it, the folks who want to 'make a name' for themselves, etc.
02:52:21 <shanet> but I also think there is only 1 way to stop piracy.
02:52:45 <shanet> make it open source
02:52:46 <JohnTHaller> Personally, I'm of the opinion of no DRM, fair pricing, and supporting your paid users well.
02:53:12 <JohnTHaller> Not all software can work as open source, honestly. Eventually the business models may be found for the rest of it, though.
02:53:15 <shanet> You see you had to pay for PA it would be pirated within a few hours of its upload.
02:53:54 <shanet> Yes. It's just to make things open source means (usually) free.
02:54:00 <JohnTHaller> True. But I'd have priced it fairly enough that most people would pay for it.
02:54:20 <shanet> And then there is no point in making it free. If you want money and no piracy...
02:54:22 <shanet> you get me?
02:54:41 <OliverK> indeed, there's more to it then just egos or price. But a driving force is linked to the price
02:54:50 <JohnTHaller> I've debated doing a suggested donation when folks download. Or asking people to become supporters (and get a badge near their name on the site)
02:55:10 <shanet> I ran across something called BumpTop. It has a free version with 2 features disabled. Fro 30 dollars you could get those two features. But it is worth it.
02:55:12 <OliverK> there are always users how will pirate software because they can or to tick other people off
02:55:36 <shanet> exactly
02:55:49 <JohnTHaller> I bought my most expensive software yet the other day, coincidentally. Delphi 2010.
02:56:34 <shanet> Well I cant pay online - dont have paypal or anything (im 16) but I'm happy to work hard and put in my stuff\
02:56:43 <OliverK> I want autocad
02:56:44 <ChrisMorgan> I don't think I've ever bought software, if you don't count a copy of Vista which came installed on this laptop... (and no longer is :P)
02:56:46 <shanet> is it worth it?
02:56:50 <JohnTHaller> $1,035
02:56:51 <OliverK> so bad
02:56:59 <shanet> awesome
02:57:02 <OliverK> bah, autocad full version is like 10 times that :D
02:57:14 <shanet> ChrisMorgan: Are you open source?
02:57:25 <OliverK> i've bought portals, that was 20 bucks well spent
02:57:26 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, it's worth it. It lets the menu become fully Unicode, better PNG support, touch/gesture support, etc.
02:58:08 <shanet> I came across this interesting thing the other day. Does anyone here have a nintendo wii?
02:58:13 <JohnTHaller> Yup
02:58:56 <shanet> Sweet. Links are allowed in the IRC?
02:59:07 <OliverK> afaik
02:59:19 <JohnTHaller> ya
02:59:24 <shanet> cool.
02:59:27 <Gizmokid2005> as long as it's not illegal.
02:59:28 <Gizmokid2005> :)
02:59:36 <OliverK> 'ello Gizmokid2005
02:59:42 <shanet> of course not
02:59:43 <shanet> http://johnnylee.net/projects/wii/
02:59:53 <OliverK> .title
02:59:54 <GizmoBot> OliverK: Johnny Chung Lee - Projects - Wii
02:59:55 <Gizmokid2005> not really 'ere OliverK, playing some MW2 with my dual monitors so I can read IRC while playing :)
03:00:01 <shanet> Wii remotes use bluetooth.
03:00:37 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, I've seen that. 3 WiiMotes and bluetooth support on desktop and laptop, but haven't played with it.
03:00:46 <JohnTHaller> But getting back on topic... :-)
03:00:57 <JohnTHaller> Anyone have any other suggestions on raising some PA.c money?
03:00:58 <shanet> yeah
03:01:05 <shanet> we are straying here arent we
03:01:43 <shanet> I was thinking a donation button on the platform, but that's too invasiv isn't it?
03:01:48 <JohnTHaller> i5t is
03:02:03 <shanet> maybe you could have an about button and donate in there?
03:02:21 <JohnTHaller> I'm planning a donation drive in relation to 2.0. Was gonna debut it in conjuntion with 2.0.
03:02:28 <shanet> It's always a given that a donate button is usually in the about box, and people dont really mind
03:02:51 <shanet> or the suite dowload button could have a donate button beside it?
03:04:08 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, the About box could definitely do with a Donate button.
03:06:27 <JohnTHaller> Good idea, I hadn't thought of that.
03:06:32 <shanet> You can set up sourceforge with donate.
03:06:37 <JohnTHaller> Or an entry... Help - Donate to PortableApps.com
03:06:40 <shanet> any time john
03:07:09 <ChrisMorgan> Both.
03:07:17 <JohnTHaller> Yeah
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03:09:37 <ChrisMorgan> That's probably about all for the Platform.
03:14:14 <shanet> What about a suggestions thread? Maybe you could stick a thread in the forums or something and have suggestions under the about tab as well?
03:22:05 <shanet> JohnTHaller: What about a suggestions thread? Maybe you could stick a thread in the forums or something and have suggestions under the about tab as well?
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03:55:57 <OliverK> so, is the new beta dropping at midnight? ro some other time :D
04:00:27 <JohnTHaller> Tomorrow when it's ready :-P
04:09:41 <ChrisMorgan> *Whew*
04:09:59 <ChrisMorgan> Finally got my big lot of work on the manual done. This bit, anyway. http://portableapps.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/portableapps/launcher/rev/d793b1edbfd1
04:20:52 <ChrisMorgan> shanet: why do you go making online installers for things (instead of or as well as bundled versions)
04:20:54 <ChrisMorgan> ?
04:21:59 <shanet> I don't really make that many online installers, just when it is easier for me to do so.
04:22:44 <ChrisMorgan> As far as I've seen, of your apps, almost all have been online installers, one or two with non-online installer variants available.
04:23:04 <shanet> which are these?
04:23:30 * ChrisMorgan is too lazy to answer that with links :P
04:23:36 <shanet> were you refering to heekscad?
04:24:09 <JohnTHaller> nice on the work chris
04:24:23 <JohnTHaller> shanet we try and keep apps bundled in whenever possible. we only do online installers for licensing reasons
04:24:40 <shanet> Ok.
04:25:08 <shanet> I did some online installers because I couldnt upload filoes to sourceforge
04:25:18 <shanet> That ws until i got going with filezilla
04:25:28 <shanet> (portable thx very much :P)
04:25:53 <shanet> but now i do not do many with online
04:26:20 <shanet> I assume you mean redistribution licensing reasons?
04:34:19 <ChrisMorgan> yEP
04:34:38 <ChrisMorgan> I was saying it due to your latest one, that you were saying that you would also provide an online installer.
04:37:34 <ChrisMorgan> (And once you've created a package, you should create a thread for it in Beta Testing)
04:48:14 <shanet> I will. I've just noticed I forgot to edit the HTML help file o.o! However it will be done within the next hour or so
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05:12:30 <JohnTHaller> alright, gnight all. early coding the in am
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05:14:05 <ChrisMorgan> Goodnight, JohnTHaller
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06:11:03 <shanet> ChrisMorgan: Someone has requested a plugin for an application. Do you know how to do these?
06:11:50 <shanet> I am trying but the installer wants appicons and all these files that I don't think should be included, because it's a plugin.
06:12:47 <shanet> It also wants a start=* under control, and i cant really do that because it's just supposed to install
06:13:13 <ChrisMorgan> Have you set the type to plugin?
06:13:33 <shanet> No...
06:13:40 <shanet> is that under appinfo?
06:14:58 <shanet> wait - its the special path thing, isn't it?
06:15:12 <shanet> [SpecialPaths]
06:15:24 <shanet> Plugins=NONE
06:15:27 <shanet> ?
06:19:23 <ChrisMorgan> No, see section 6
06:24:03 <shanet> Ah. Thanks. I did a search and missed it.
06:24:05 <shanet> Sorry
06:48:53 <shanet> ChrisMorgan: It is asking for a Start= control. I have made the plugininstaller.ini file and it wants the start part. Do I fill this in like normal?
06:53:12 <shanet> brb
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07:03:40 <shanet> i think i may have it
07:10:45 <shanet> I've got it. Thanks for the directions
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07:13:14 <iHavezMyBirdo> It's the 13th~
07:13:20 <iHavezMyBirdo> My time anyway.
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07:30:04 <Drive-Dude> Which time today will Beta 5 arrive
07:32:07 <Drive-Dude> Is it not the 13th today
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07:42:31 <shanet> ChrisMorgan: I have finished the plugin. Do I declare it in the beat testing forums the same way as an application, put it in the applications thread or neither?
07:42:45 <ChrisMorgan> Put it in the app's thread.
07:43:09 <shanet> Ok. Thanks.
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07:48:06 <shanet> ChrisMorgan: If I send you the link, would you verify it's good plz?
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09:50:40 <GizmoBot> MaienM is MaienM. He is the developer of The Mana World Portable.
09:52:06 <shanet> MaienM: love the intro "MaineM is MaineM. He is the developer of The Mana World Portable." lol MaineM is MaineM.
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10:26:52 <pa_1079> hi all
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10:27:36 <pa_1079> can i ask u a question regarding the directory structure of portableapps
10:27:38 <pa_1079> ?
10:28:06 <pa_1079> can we add additional folders in the second level ( apps,data,other ) ?
10:28:15 <pa_1079> is this a problem ?
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10:45:27 <Gringoloco> pa_1079: in apps or data should not be a problem, but I do not think there is a need for other, as an alternative you could put a sub directory in other\source, if really needed for the custom code
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10:55:27 <Gringoloco> ChrisMorgan: Does Pal still have the problem of copying the DefaultData after FileWrite ? It seems to be !
10:55:50 <ChrisMorgan> "problem". Well, the improvement hasn't been applied yet.
10:57:22 <Gringoloco> Could you tell me what segment it does copy defaultdata ?
10:57:45 <ChrisMorgan> Settings
10:58:02 <Gringoloco> Thanx ! saved me a lot of searching.
10:58:16 <ChrisMorgan> I'm going to fix that next. Just now I'm changing Other\Source\PortableApps.comLauncher*.nsh to App\AppInfo\Launcher\*.nsh
10:59:06 <Gringoloco> What would you think of putting up a topic for PAL tipical customcodes, so we all do not have to re-invent the wheel all the time.
11:00:30 <ChrisMorgan> The problem with that is that custom code should be rare, and either its functionality should be integrated into the launcher, or it'll be one-off.
11:00:47 <ChrisMorgan> Have you got any examples of where custom code is needed?
11:00:55 <Gringoloco> I'm making one for dealling with the XML settings, atm. But you'd probably wouldn't want to include to PAL due to the size of the plug-in
11:01:21 <Gringoloco> 119 kb
11:02:02 <ChrisMorgan> No, one that big I wouldn't. Could be a compile-time thing in launcher.ini though. [Activate]:XML=true makes the plug-in be included, put in a strong note about it needing to generate the launcher again.
11:02:41 <ChrisMorgan> Or at the least something like "!define EnableXML" in Custom.nsh
11:02:53 <Gringoloco> Custom code is a good way to properly get it tested first, but having it available for use
11:03:36 <Gringoloco> Anyway, now I got to make a custom code to deal with the DefaultData :-(
11:05:45 <Gringoloco> Ah, PreSecondary should be the solution
11:07:05 <ChrisMorgan> ?
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11:13:20 <Gringoloco> Ok, my mistake, it should probably be PreExecPrimary, I haven't done this for a while
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11:27:17 <ChrisMorgan> These 2.1 release notes are becoming quite a document... :-)
11:30:03 <Gringoloco> So I can say for the Xml script :-(
11:30:32 <sar3th> i think you should encourage ppl to post their custom pal code to a special forum topic, so it can be reviewed easily and incorporated if necessary
11:31:16 <sar3th> by the way, good morning! today is releaseday! j/k
11:31:28 <Gringoloco> That's what I said, I'll put one up as soon as I'm finished with this script
11:33:41 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: it's been Tuesday the 13th for over 21 and a half hours :P
11:33:43 <ChrisMorgan> Here
11:34:12 <sar3th> oh, i forgot; does that mean we are behind schedule? ;)
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11:40:20 <ChrisMorgan> Not at all. Sensible people when they say the such-and-suchth deliver at 11:59pm in the latest time zone possible.
11:40:54 <ChrisMorgan> My Dad has before stuck to a Friday the somethingth release date by releasing just before 9pm on Saturday.
11:46:20 <Gringoloco> ChrisMorgan: Any chance on getting an option to re-generate the launcher, instead of having to re-run the LauncherGenerator over and over again
11:47:26 <ChrisMorgan> Not really, with MUI there's only one run-on-finish (and the "readme" one which we've hijacked to "show log").
11:48:09 <ChrisMorgan> It'd need to be another button or something like that on the finish page, which would mean overriding ioSpecial.ini.
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11:50:03 <Gringoloco> ChrisMorgan: Would there be anything wrong with (me) runing Language segment in SegmentPre ? I dissabled Language and do a custom code.
11:50:31 <ChrisMorgan> What for? The DefaultData thing?
11:51:14 <Gringoloco> No no , I sorted that. SegmentInit is missing PAL:DataDir
11:51:28 <Gringoloco> variable
11:53:01 <Gringoloco> In SegmentPre I can make use of the PAL:DataDir variable
11:53:12 <ChrisMorgan> In the custom code?
11:53:18 <Gringoloco> Yes
11:53:59 <Gringoloco> I done ${DisableSegment} Language
11:53:59 <Gringoloco> , and copied/modified the language segment to CustomCode
11:56:01 * Gringoloco wonders, wouldn't it be better the custum code segment running on the end of each hook, instead of at the beginning of each hook.
11:56:02 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... possibly what you should do instead is use Pre instead of Init
11:56:31 <ChrisMorgan> It's hard deciding exactly where they should go. I think that's probably why I've got so many hooks.
11:56:36 <Gringoloco> Yes, that's what I done, and it seems fine for now
11:57:03 <ChrisMorgan> Using ${SegmentPre} instead of ${SegmentInit} should be fine, that'll in effect be at the end of Init as it'll be the first thing done next.
11:57:22 <ChrisMorgan> So then do you need to replace Language or is it OK?
11:57:45 <Gringoloco> Replace language ?
11:57:53 <ChrisMorgan> replace the Language segment
11:58:12 <Gringoloco> ${DisableSegment} Language
12:00:00 <ChrisMorgan> 'Fraid I don't really understand the context of it all. And I can't stick around long enough to have it explained properly, sorry.
12:00:43 <Gringoloco> Don't worry, I'm getting there anyway, probably send it these days.
12:01:29 <Gringoloco> It's doing everything ever needed with Xml files, accept for non-ansi file paths
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12:04:05 <pa_1079> ok. thanks
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12:04:52 <pa_1637> Wo bist das Beta 5?
12:04:57 <pa_1079> must the executable located in AppNamePortable ?
12:05:49 <Gringoloco> pa_1079: The launcher executable AppNamePortable.exe yes.
12:05:50 <pa_1079> can´t it be located in app subfolder or any other subfolder under app
12:06:01 <ChrisMorgan> pa_1079: it won't appear in the menu if it's not.
12:06:29 <ChrisMorgan> pa_1637: just wait. John's said it will be out today, but he hasn't said what /time/. It's still early morning (8am) for him in New York.
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12:16:46 <ChrisMorgan> I'm surprised that I haven't had any bug reports about PAL 2.0 so far. At this rate I won't have a 2.0.1 release and the 2.1 release notes won't have a "Bugs fixed" section at all.
12:17:44 <Gringoloco> Did you have ago on the RegDLL thing?
12:22:34 <ChrisMorgan> Yep, it's in the repository.
12:22:43 <ChrisMorgan> If you've got something to test it on, please do.
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12:23:13 <Gringoloco> Personally I had more luck with Regsvr32, see BurAwarePortable
12:24:08 <Gringoloco> I will test when I get around to it, I still wonder what would happen if the specific Dll was all ready registered
12:25:55 <pa_1079> if we use PortableLauncher for our commercial product ....
12:26:01 <pa_1079> what will it cost ?
12:31:15 <ChrisMorgan> pa_1079: you'd need to talk to John T. Haller, see http://portableapps.com/about/contact#business
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12:31:44 <ChrisMorgan> If you don't mind me asking and don't mind answering, what is the product?
12:35:31 <ChrisMorgan> OK, bye guys. I'm off for the night.
12:35:39 <sar3th> bye ChrisMorgan
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13:05:44 <pa_4695> How i can change the theme of Portableapps?
13:10:03 <Bensawsome> pa_4695 what version of the platform do you have?
13:17:29 <shanet> Gizmokid2005: Damn. You beat me to RSSOwl.
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13:17:38 <Gizmokid2005> shanet: it can't be done
13:17:57 <Drive-Dude> Hi
13:18:04 <shanet> What do you mean? It cant be made portable?
13:18:08 <shanet> Drive-Dude: Hey
13:18:15 <Gizmokid2005> no, it can't shanet
13:18:17 <Gizmokid2005> hello Drive-Dude
13:18:23 <shanet> Drive-Dude: Can we help you?
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13:18:43 <Gizmokid2005> shanet: because RSSOwl uses the IE engine for rendering feeds, it also then uses IE's TIF/Cache...which you can't clean up...that's why I dropped it.
13:18:44 <shanet> Gizmokid2005: Ok. Shame. What part of it restricts it?
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13:18:53 <shanet> Ok.
13:18:55 <shanet> Thanks
13:19:01 <Gizmokid2005> yup
13:19:07 <Drive-Dude> Will beta 5 arrive today?
13:19:09 <Gizmokid2005> spent a lot of time getting all the java configs and whatnot setup right
13:19:15 <shanet> Drive-Dude: Yep
13:19:18 <Gizmokid2005> Drive-Dude: it's SUPPOSED to, but nobody but JTH really knows
13:19:19 <Drive-Dude> when
13:19:21 <shanet> Some time today
13:19:46 <shanet> Drive-Dude: U'll have 2 wait and see
13:20:03 <shanet> No one knows when. We are all as eager as you and wish we knew.
13:20:34 <Drive-Dude> Alright. That is all I needed to know. Thanks
13:20:42 <shanet> I've already asked him today (I'm in australia, so it was when u were going 2 bed last night obvoiusly).
13:21:12 <shanet> He just said something along the lines of "It will be ready when it's ready".
13:21:31 <shanet> Is that all we can do for you?
13:22:17 <Drive-Dude> I can check later
13:22:25 <Drive-Dude> Good Bye
13:22:30 <Drive-Dude> see ya
13:22:58 <Drive-Dude> peace
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13:23:07 <shanet> kk. See ya
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14:08:44 <shanet> ALL: JTH has changed the bar up the top for all those who haven't noticed yet
14:11:10 <Bensawsome> that doesnt mean anything :/
14:12:21 <pa_1637> what bar at the top?
14:12:52 <Gizmokid2005> pa_1637: the banner on portableapps.com
14:13:21 <pa_1637> says same thing as last couple of days
14:13:34 <Gizmokid2005> pa_1637: it doesn't
14:13:56 <Gizmokid2005> it had started with "Road to 2.0: Beta 5 arrives on Tuesday, July 13th." now it says "Road to 2.0: Beta 5 arrives LATER TODAY! (Yes, NY time)"
14:14:08 <benedikt93> plus a new post: http://portableapps.com/node/24104#comment-153691
14:14:34 <pa_1637> ah ok, i must still be seeing the old page
14:15:16 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, if you're in Firefox, CTRL+SHIFT+R will reload without cahce
14:15:20 <Gizmokid2005> *cache and update it for you
14:18:38 <benedikt93> ahrg, link was wrong, it's http://portableapps.com/node/24104?page=1#comment-153691
14:21:16 <pa_1637> cool. i see it now. thanks.
14:25:11 <shanet> awesomeness :P
14:35:14 <shanet> JTH has unstuck the thread to beta 4
14:35:32 <shanet> and deleted it
14:36:49 <shanet> sorry, not deleted, just unstuck
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14:43:51 <sja5164> biggrin It's coming, it's coming! I'm pretty excited
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16:18:00 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
16:18:00 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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16:30:50 <faithmarie55> help
16:30:50 <GizmoBot> faithmarie55: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
16:32:12 <faithmarie55> I accidentally selected Pidgin to download a pdf file instead of Sumatra and now windows automatically opens Pidgin. How do i change that?
16:36:44 <sar3th> right click, choose open with?
16:37:02 <sar3th> if open with is not there, hold ctrl+shift during your right click
16:37:03 <faithmarie55> Thanks!
16:37:09 <sar3th> yw
16:37:43 <faithmarie55> bye
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16:45:02 <GizmoBot> MaienM is MaienM. He is the developer of The Mana World Portable.
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17:18:31 <M4T1A5> hi
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17:52:43 <Abraham> Hello.. My computer hasn't got any sound devices stored on it, so i can't play music/video e.t.c . i just want to know is it possible to download sound devices for my computer?
17:57:00 <Gizmokid2005> Abraham: No...there's a few different things that could be a problem...
17:57:08 <Gizmokid2005> 1) you computer could have NO PHYSICAL sound devices at alll
17:57:53 <Gizmokid2005> or 2) it has physical devices but there are no compatible drivers installed
17:57:57 <Gizmokid2005> neither of which we can help with.
17:59:04 <Abraham> okay.. thank you!
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18:40:58 <pa_5740> MaienM: Hello, I have a question.
18:42:11 <MaienM> pa_5740: what is your question?
18:42:44 <pa_5740> MaienM: Has Chris Morgan been around?
18:42:53 <MaienM> .seen ChrisMorgan
18:42:53 <GizmoBot> MaienM: I last saw chrismorgan at 2010-07-13 12:38:11 UTC on #portableapps
18:43:12 <MaienM> he was here earlier today
18:43:24 <MaienM> about 5-6 hours ago
18:44:02 <pa_5740> MaienM: I hope this isn't a bad question to ask, but he said something about mp3 decoders and I was going to ask if I could quote him.
18:44:25 <pa_5740> MaienM: Would he be sleeping right about now?
18:44:52 <MaienM> I think he is, iirc he said he wa off to bed
18:45:40 <pa_5740> Okay, could I PM you about something?
18:46:30 <MaienM> sure
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19:09:53 <DGMurdockIII> do you think there will be a portable verson of instantbird any time soon
19:10:39 <Gizmokid2005> DGMurdockIII: I had contemplated working on it.
19:10:44 <Gizmokid2005> I would say it's unlikely at this point
19:10:51 <Gizmokid2005> as it's still VERY early in the development stages though
19:11:08 <DGMurdockIII> have you tryed there nightly builds
19:11:25 <Gizmokid2005> I did a while ago, I do keep up on their blog, so I know they've made a LOT of progress
19:34:35 <iHavezMyBirdo> I wish beta 5 would come about now.. Lol
19:35:23 <Gizmokid2005> we all do iHavezMyBirdo
19:39:07 <iHavezMyBirdo> :3
19:39:17 <iHavezMyBirdo> Been waiting since I heard about it.
19:39:20 <iHavezMyBirdo> Lol
19:39:46 <sja5164> Well if John sticks to his deadline, it's just 8-1/2 more hours!!
19:40:10 <iHavezMyBirdo> Yay~
19:40:51 <sja5164> However, I wouldn't be upset if it's not on time. The more he works on it, the better it'll be :)
19:42:01 <Gizmokid2005> actually sja5164 he has exactly 9 hours and 20 minutes until he breaks his deadline
19:42:56 <sja5164> He said today, Eastern. It's currently 3:40.
19:43:03 <Gizmokid2005> ooh dammit
19:43:04 <Gizmokid2005> I know
19:43:06 <Gizmokid2005> I'm EDT as well
19:43:06 <sja5164> lol
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19:43:09 <Gizmokid2005> but had a brain fart
19:43:13 <sja5164> it happens
19:43:16 <Gizmokid2005> EIGHT hours and 19 mins now.
19:43:45 <iHavezMyBirdo> I'm in the west.
19:44:11 <sja5164> well that just means you get it earlier
19:44:25 <Gizmokid2005> sja5164: LOL, only if you go by customized time :P
19:44:31 <Gizmokid2005> by GMT it doesn't matter
19:44:41 <iHavezMyBirdo> Pew
19:45:43 <sja5164> I always got mad when I was a little kid. My favorite shows were on past me "bedtime", but the kids in the west got to watch them :(
19:45:58 <Gizmokid2005> no, kids in central got to watch them :P
19:46:04 <Gizmokid2005> 9EDT/8CDT
19:46:04 <Gizmokid2005> :P
19:46:28 <sja5164> haha
19:46:34 <sja5164> good stuff
19:46:37 <iHavezMyBirdo> Over here, old shows come on at around 3-4 in the morning :/
19:47:24 <sja5164> I just download anything I watch now. Easier that way, no commercials
19:47:35 <iHavezMyBirdo> Ikr
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20:13:12 <ZachThibeau> howdy John
20:13:54 <JohnTHaller> hola
20:19:05 <JohnTHaller> 2.0 work is progressing nicely. Platform Unicode conversion is done with all supported languages. New theme engine is enabled and working properly. Just need to finish the theme switcher and options window bugs. Updater has been fully unicoded and just needs some more massaging and tweaks to a couple visual issues. :-)
20:21:27 <ZachThibeau> very nice
20:21:43 <ZachThibeau> ptmb and I have been updating pchat's homepage :)
20:26:55 <ZachThibeau> and just in time, I've been doing some work and I got PChat's built in system tray function working (at least so far going to do a beta test in a day or so)
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20:27:30 <JohnTHaller> nice
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20:28:06 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: I think I'm going to start working on Instantbird this weekend/next week
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20:33:08 <JohnTHaller> wish they'd get to a 1.0 point. Having a 0.x version number is a bit of an albatross in terms of generating interest.
20:34:32 <Gizmokid2005> Yeah...but you look at where they are and their roadmap, they've got a lot done...and since it's been 3 years already that they've worked on it..
20:34:54 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, but 3 years and 0.2 doesn't jive. It's just silly to not call it a 1.0.
20:35:08 <JohnTHaller> Most users unfamiliar with the odd versioning of some open source projects won't touch it.
20:35:18 <Gizmokid2005> yeah
20:35:18 <Gizmokid2005> https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Roadmap
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20:39:40 <Mokura> Zach: I realize that the pchat FAQ's been adapted from the official xchat FAQ, but the entry on custom icons (specifically tree view icons) only seems to apply to the "official" windows build, according to xchatdata's /set variables list. (I tried /set tab_icons 1 and got a "no such variable" error.)
20:40:10 <Mokura> Haven't tried replacing the user icons yet, but it might be something worth noting.
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21:12:47 <Bensawsome> Mokura only the official xchat has those compiled in Mokura
21:12:58 <Bensawsome> i dont think the released source had that feature in it
21:14:37 <Bensawsome> so therefore zach i think would have to remake that feature in it's entirety himself
21:19:05 <Mokura> I figured that
21:19:14 <Mokura> I just wanted to point out that discrepancy in the FAQ
21:19:38 <Mokura> (which, again, I understand was adopted from the official FAQ)
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21:29:53 <iHavezMyBirdo> Where can I get previous versions of Sunbird? There's an add-on to minimize to system tray, and it says it's not compatible with 1.0b2.
21:31:21 <Gizmokid2005> iHavezMyBirdo: you can use one of the many workarounds for that
21:31:34 <Gizmokid2005> there's an about:config hack for it, there's also other addons that will enable them
21:31:43 <iHavezMyBirdo> Gizmokid2005: Ooh, what do I do?
21:31:52 <gluxon> Or you can modify the add-on itself (probably best option)
21:32:02 <iHavezMyBirdo> o.o How I do that?
21:32:24 <gluxon> iHavezMyBirdo: You have a file archiver, right? (zip extrator)?
21:32:28 <Gizmokid2005> iHavezMyBirdo: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Updating_extensions#Completely_disabling_the_compatibility_check
21:32:30 <iHavezMyBirdo> 1.0b*
21:32:31 <iHavezMyBirdo> Yar I do.
21:32:47 <gluxon> Download that extention, (Right Click, save as)
21:33:11 <gluxon> Open it up with your archiver
21:33:17 <gluxon> Open install.rdf
21:34:06 <iHavezMyBirdo> Okie
21:35:03 <iHavezMyBirdo> I open with Notepad?
21:35:09 <gluxon> Do you see a place in the file called <em:MaxVersion></MaxVersion>?
21:35:21 <gluxon> Yeah.
21:35:54 <gluxon> If the file is only spread across about 2/3 lines, open it up in Notepad++
21:36:03 <iHavezMyBirdo> Yeah, I see that.
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21:36:40 <iHavezMyBirdo> Do I change that to the current version?
21:36:47 <iHavezMyBirdo> It's under Sunbird btw.
21:36:55 <gluxon> Yep.
21:37:15 <gluxon> Just modify the maxversion to something above the one you have in Sunbird.
21:37:20 <gluxon> Or equal to.
21:37:26 <iHavezMyBirdo> I'll go to 2. xD
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21:39:19 <iHavezMyBirdo> Seems to be playing hard to edit.
21:40:07 <gluxon> Yeah, most install.rdf's are in Unix newline format, Notepad reads Windows newline, so the newlines in the file are obviously messed up :P
21:40:21 <iHavezMyBirdo> x_x
21:41:09 <Gizmokid2005> that's why you open it in Notepad++ :D
21:42:10 <iHavezMyBirdo> Gah, don't have that
21:42:11 <iHavezMyBirdo> Lol
21:42:14 <iHavezMyBirdo> I'm gonna go ahead and get it.
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21:43:01 <iHavezMyBirdo> Well, now that I look
21:43:09 <iHavezMyBirdo> It shows the tag twice.
21:43:34 <Gizmokid2005> make sure one isn't min version
21:43:36 <Gizmokid2005> there are both in there
21:43:41 <iHavezMyBirdo> Okay o-o
21:44:15 <iHavezMyBirdo> Got it, thanks~
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22:13:41 <iHavezMyBirdo> Well, heading out. See ya~
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