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00:24:12 <GVFool> Hello, everyone. Anyone here familiar with how the Check for Updates command works in the latest beta of the PA.c platform?
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00:31:08 <GVFool> Not much discussion going on in the live chat, I guess?
00:33:00 <Gizmokid2005> GVFool: what do you mean?
00:33:15 <Gizmokid2005> it just checks the AppInfo files and compares them to the database on PA.c
00:33:25 <Gizmokid2005> and if the PA.c has a newer version, it marks it for update
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00:41:31 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
00:41:56 <GVFool> Thanks for the response, Gizmokid2005! I thought that was probably how it worked, but do you know if it checks for the language version of the app being used? I asked because I was surprised to discover that my Japanese version of Thunderbird Portable was just updated to the English version instead.
00:42:20 <Gizmokid2005> I'm not quite sure how the language is checked GVFool, sorry
00:44:47 <GVFool> It's not much of a problem (I can reinstall the Japanese version manually), but is there any way to request that the updater gets the same language as the version installed?
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01:16:23 <Gizmokid2005> I'm not sure GVFool, it was my understanding that it should already
01:16:37 <Gizmokid2005> you should check the Beta 5 thread and see if a similar issue has been reported or is in the list of Known issue
01:16:39 <Gizmokid2005> *issues
01:16:48 <Gizmokid2005> if not, post it there to make sure John isn't inadvertently missing it.
01:22:04 <gluxon> GVFool: That's known as a bug and being fixed.
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03:01:52 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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03:20:45 <GizmoBot> ve4jhj is the developer of Scribus Portable and Armagetron Advanced Portable
03:22:46 <ve4jhj> Looking for a suggestion from those with more experience: I have Scribus 1.3.7 ready for release, but am unsure whether I should start a new topic, or just tack it on to the 1.3.3.14 topic. Any thoughts?
03:26:40 <OliverK> tack it on ve4jhj
03:27:04 <OliverK> makes it easier to keep track
03:27:23 <ve4jhj> Great, thanks, OliverK, that's what I suspected would be the best way to go. Working on it now.
03:43:27 <ve4jhj> Scribus Portable1.3.3.14 Dev Test 4 & Scribus Portable 1.3.7 Dev Test 1 Released: http://www.portableapps.com/node/22525
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03:54:53 <IAmWEC> I'm loving the portable platform right now, it's amazing and great job!
03:55:23 <IAmWEC> The only problem I'm having right now is that there is no "Manage Apps" button, and I can't find the dialogue to change the themes. Any help?
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03:56:49 <IAmWEC> So...?
03:57:03 <OliverK> uh, do you have the latest beta?
03:57:33 <IAmWEC> Beta 5, just downloaded and installed
03:57:47 <IAmWEC> Wait
03:57:50 <OliverK> its on the far right, under backup
03:58:00 <IAmWEC> I thought I had it installed, but the version number says 1.6.something
03:58:11 <IAmWEC> Okay, give me a second to see if I can update it
03:58:20 <IAmWEC> Don't know how I got an outdated version, though
03:59:31 <IAmWEC> Okay, all better now. Thanks a ton!
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04:21:07 <Raleigh> Evening,
04:21:58 <Raleigh> I'm having an issue connecting to portableapps.com. It indicates that I have been 'greyllisted' by http;BL. Any idea what in the heck might be the issue?
04:27:47 <Raleigh> Would anyone have an idea what caused this? I tried to check 'grey listed' and it seems to refer to email being blocked, not a web page.
04:28:28 <Raleigh> help!
04:28:28 <GizmoBot> Raleigh: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
04:31:02 <Raleigh> It's obviously a sleepy time for the crew. I will check in again tomorrow and perhaps find an answer. Night
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05:16:52 <Raleigh> Evening
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05:44:07 <pa_1788> help!
05:44:08 <GizmoBot> pa_1788: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
05:46:15 <pa_1788> I am living with friends temporaly and I use portableapps on a thumbdrive. I would like to password login to my thumbdrive so no one else can use it if I leave it at home or in the usb port. can anyone help me
05:46:28 <OliverK|Away> try truecrupt
05:46:34 <OliverK|Away> truecrypt*
05:46:51 <OliverK|Away> you'll need your freinds to install a driver for you, but other then that caveat you'll be fine
05:47:38 <pa_1788> I also use this thumbdrive on other puters, will I still be able to use it at work orthe libriary with truecrypt
05:47:58 <OliverK|Away> so long as you can install the truecrypt driver, you can
05:48:13 <pa_1788> I cant at work or at the libriary
05:48:13 <OliverK|Away> otherwise, consider using a master password on firefox and thunderbird
05:48:31 <OliverK|Away> then you'll need a hardware solution
05:48:46 <OliverK|Away> I believe the ironkey has that, but I'm not sure
05:48:47 <pa_1788> I forgot aboutthe master password
05:49:18 <pa_1788> thanks for the help
05:49:22 <OliverK|Away> i think theres some posts on the subject in the forum
05:49:32 <OliverK|Away> you might try doing a search in there, and no problem
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08:02:57 <shanet> ChrisMorgan: hey.
08:03:08 <ChrisMorgan> Hello
08:03:22 <shanet> ChrisMorgan: I told my teacher what you said about python being better than PHP
08:03:28 <ChrisMorgan> :D
08:03:35 <shanet> he said you can stick python where it fits
08:03:44 <shanet> :P
08:04:08 <ChrisMorgan> And that's a whole lot more places than PHP.
08:04:30 <shanet> haha lol
08:04:40 <shanet> he says that PHP is easier to learn
08:04:50 <shanet> and is more readable than python
08:05:01 <ChrisMorgan> Now /that/ is utter rubbish. As is the readability one, even more so in fact.
08:05:02 <shanet> When he said readable I said NSIS
08:05:30 <shanet> just need the pythin client or whatever it is installed on the computer
08:05:49 <ChrisMorgan> NSIS code lacks readability for normal use as a programming language. Whenever it gets to serious stuff, you just need ${} around everything... or !insertmacros all through
08:06:23 <shanet> yeah
08:06:30 <shanet> C++ isnt that hard actually
08:06:40 <shanet> when you know it, it is easily readable
08:06:58 <shanet> mostly english based from what I understand
08:07:06 <shanet> I only know a tiny bit tho
08:07:47 <ChrisMorgan> Compare PHP, C, C++, Java, NSIS, etc. to Python. You'll find that for almost anything the Python code is smaller and more readable and more logical.
08:08:02 <shanet> im doing PHP and pythin now
08:09:01 <shanet> holy macaroni! ur right about Python beingeasier to read!
08:09:40 <ChrisMorgan> if ($xyz == $abc) {
08:09:44 <ChrisMorgan> if xyz == abc:
08:10:13 <shanet> does the top make a variable xyz that equals abc?
08:10:15 <ChrisMorgan> if isinstance(macaroni, HolySubstance): pass
08:10:17 <ChrisMorgan> ;-)
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08:10:31 <ChrisMorgan> The first is PHP. The second is Python.
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08:10:57 <shanet> if macaroni equals HolySubstance it is correct otherwise it is not?
08:11:10 <shanet> return a value of 1 if pass or 0 if fail?
08:11:25 <shanet> would that be correct?
08:11:41 <ChrisMorgan> If it is an instance of the HolySubstance class. And "pass" is equivalent to Nop in NSIS - do nothing, just as a filler because you can't have nothing.
08:12:20 <shanet> ok dont know NSIS yet
08:12:29 <shanet> but i understand what u are saying
08:13:08 <ChrisMorgan> Anyway, all that is really off-topic for #portableapps. Suffice it to ``assert Python > PHP`` (in PHP that'd be ``assert('Python > PHP');``!) :-)
08:13:21 <shanet> yes
08:13:44 <shanet> anyway...
08:13:59 <shanet> do you know anything about what is happening with the next platform?
08:14:50 <ChrisMorgan> Do you mean 2.0 Beta 6, 2.0 or 2.1/whatever?
08:16:50 <shanet> yeah. the next release, beta or final i dont mind
08:19:30 <ChrisMorgan> Some. To a large extent John's it though.
08:22:46 <shanet> ok
08:22:48 <shanet> thx
08:23:01 <shanet> also another question...
08:23:16 <shanet> How did you create then main executable for the launcher?
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08:23:46 <ChrisMorgan> The Generator? That's Other\Source\GeneratorWizard.nsi
08:26:13 <shanet> but the main executable? You know how you go into the launcher file and theres PortableApps.comLauncherCenerator.exe?
08:26:47 <shanet> Or even better, the installer executable?
08:27:33 <shanet> It is my understanding that they do what the NSIS file tells them to, but how was the main executable made?
08:28:10 <ChrisMorgan> Compiling GeneratorWizard.nsi with NSIS.
08:28:22 <ChrisMorgan> With the Installer, it's Other\Source\InstallerWizard.nsi.
08:28:45 <shanet> Ok thx. So you run NSIS and generate the nsi file?
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10:54:24 <shanet> ChrisMorgan: What is the difference between UnicodeNSIS and NSISANSI?
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10:55:07 <Teamviewer> Hi there
10:55:19 <Teamviewer> I just checked Teamviewer site at http://portableapps.com/apps/utilities/teamviewer_portable#download_details
10:55:38 <Teamviewer> Unfortunately the version 4.x has been removed
10:55:53 <Teamviewer> There's only the brand new version 5.x available
10:56:28 <Teamviewer> But license holders who are not yet have new 5.x license can't use this new teamviewer portable
10:57:05 <shanet> Would you like me to see if I can find the older version for you?
10:57:17 <Teamviewer> So it would be quite good, to keep version 4.x and even 3.x for license holders of this versions
10:57:51 <shanet> Just one thing... Teamviewer, isn't it freeware or open source?
10:57:52 <Teamviewer> I already told Teamviewer GmbH about this problem since they recommend your site
10:58:04 <Teamviewer> Teamviewer is only free for personal use
10:58:24 <Teamviewer> But if you use it for professional purposes, it costs
10:58:40 <Teamviewer> So teamviewer professional costs around 1000 EUR
10:59:16 <shanet> OK.
10:59:24 <Teamviewer> And conections between teamviewer 4.x personalized hosts and your 5.x app are only working for 5 minutes
10:59:27 <shanet> Do you wish to use it for professional purposes?
11:00:03 <Teamviewer> I have a professional license and want to follow manufacturers hint, to use your portable app
11:00:43 <Teamviewer> But I need the portable app for Teamviewer 4.x (and many, many other people have the same problem if they say to use your portable app)
11:01:08 <shanet> OK. Please hold on for a second, and I shall see what I can do/
11:01:37 <Teamviewer> You know, to update to Teamviewer 5.x is costy
11:01:53 <Teamviewer> Thanks for your appreciated effort
11:03:26 <Teamviewer> I think you could just integrate a link "older versions" and give the chance to download this older portable apps of tv 3.x and 4.x
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11:04:53 <shanet> As this is hosted outside portableapps.com, (it is hosted by teamviewer) we really have no say in the matter.
11:06:51 <shanet> I'm sorry, it does not appear that you can download 4x portable.
11:06:56 <Gringoloco> shanet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode
11:07:20 <shanet> You could try and do it yourself, and I am happy to help you with that, if you allow me to PM you.
11:07:26 <shanet> Gringoloco: Thanks
11:07:46 <Teamviewer> Here, Teamviewer company offer download version 4.x portable: http://www.teamviewer.com/de/download/dyngate.aspx
11:08:12 <Teamviewer> But it's not in a portable app compatible format
11:09:05 <shanet> Do you have the software installed on your computer?
11:09:24 <Teamviewer> Not here but on some
11:09:46 <shanet> OK. Found it then.
11:09:54 <Teamviewer> For what?
11:10:06 <shanet> just wondering, are you German, because this is the English version.
11:10:07 <shanet> http://www.teamviewer.com/download/version_4x/TeamViewerPortable_en.zip
11:10:42 <Teamviewer> check http://www.teamviewer.com/de/download/dyngate.aspx and you'll find german version
11:10:50 <Teamviewer> but english is as good as well
11:10:59 <Teamviewer> So what to do now?
11:11:07 <shanet> OK, however I am not german, so...
11:11:13 <shanet> You download it and install it.
11:11:42 <shanet> http://www.teamviewer.com/download/version_4x/TeamViewerPortable_de.zip
11:11:49 <shanet> thats the german version
11:12:05 <Teamviewer> Check http://www.teamviewer.com/download/dyngate.aspx and choose in the upper right corner "English"
11:12:12 <shanet> http://www.teamviewer.com/download/version_4x/TeamViewerPortable_en.zip
11:12:12 <Teamviewer> So you'll get all english versions
11:12:16 <shanet> thats english
11:12:23 <Teamviewer> Yupp
11:12:37 <shanet> So you have 2 links now
11:12:44 <shanet> English and german.
11:12:51 <shanet> English: http://www.teamviewer.com/download/version_4x/TeamViewerPortable_en.zip
11:12:53 <Teamviewer> english would be sufficient
11:13:03 <shanet> OK. Good luck.
11:13:04 <Teamviewer> because licenses work with all versions
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11:13:18 <shanet> I hope you can figure the license part out.
11:13:33 <shanet> If you can't, I would look in the registry
11:14:17 <Teamviewer> You don't need to pay attention to license part
11:14:35 <Teamviewer> Just provide version TV 4.x portable app :-))
11:15:09 <shanet> OK. Is that all you needed help with?
11:18:32 <Teamviewer> Yes, so far that's all
11:18:41 <shanet> OK.
11:19:13 <Teamviewer> Can you solve this request?
11:19:28 <shanet> depends on what it is...
11:19:39 <shanet> I can definately try :P
11:20:04 <Teamviewer> Hmmmm.... what I don't understand: You already published Teamviewer 4.x portable app
11:20:34 <Teamviewer> And changed it recently againt version 5.x
11:20:57 <Teamviewer> So you easily could re-integrate version 4.x again...?!
11:21:17 <shanet> We are not the people who are doing that, it is all handled by the teamviewer crew.
11:21:25 <ChrisMorgan> Teamviewer: it's hosted on their site, I'm not sure if it will still be there; they may have removed it. I'm not sure.
11:21:34 <shanet> I suppose it could be possible...
11:21:37 <Teamviewer> http://portableapps.com/news/2009-11-03-_teamviewer_portabe_4.1.6911
11:22:21 <shanet> Do you mean integrate into the suite?
11:22:32 <Teamviewer> Chris, what they are hosting isn't compatible to your portableapps standard
11:23:48 <ChrisMorgan> Teamviewer: no, what they host is compatible with the PortableApps.com Format specification, but they maintain two packages; one in PAF, one not. What they advertise on their site is the non-PAF one.
11:24:06 <Teamviewer> I understand
11:24:06 <ChrisMorgan> I guessed the URL, based on the current one, and came up with http://www.teamviewer.com/download/version_4x/TeamViewerPortable_4.1.6911.paf.exe, but it's not there.
11:24:31 <Teamviewer> I see...
11:24:35 <Teamviewer> So I will call them now
11:24:38 <Teamviewer> by phone
11:24:59 <shanet> Why not just put it in the format quickly?
11:25:12 <shanet> It should be easy enough
11:25:20 <Teamviewer> But how to do? I didnt find any informations about this
11:25:29 <shanet> OK.
11:25:37 <shanet> I shall knock something up for you.
11:25:46 <shanet> What is the main executables name?
11:25:47 <Teamviewer> Thank you ;-)
11:26:47 <ChrisMorgan> shanet: the problem is you can't really do it legally.
11:27:08 <ChrisMorgan> Teamviewer: I think you would probably be best to ask the Teamviewer team about it.
11:27:10 <Teamviewer> In the package or name of whole package? In the package it's "TeamViewer.exe"
11:27:37 <Teamviewer> Gosh, but Teamviewer recommend your site for my request..!
11:27:54 <shanet> Im thinking I can get the launcher up, and he can put the portable teamviewer in the app\teamviewer directory
11:27:59 <Teamviewer> So why not to be legal? You don#t provide a license!
11:28:25 <shanet> It is illegal for us to re-distribute applications without consent
11:28:27 <ChrisMorgan> shanet: is the zip package similar enough that it can just be dropped into App\Teamviewer of the current release?
11:28:49 <ChrisMorgan> Teamviewer: the thing is that they're the ones that actually /host/ the package, and I can't find it on their servers where I would expect it.
11:29:10 <shanet> ChrisMorgan: I have already looked on their servers
11:29:29 <Teamviewer> OK, wait, I will call them now to clarify it
11:29:32 <Teamviewer> just 3 minutes
11:29:50 <shanet> I suppose he could download the new version, delete the latest version and drop the older one in there, but I'm not sure whether it will cover everything
11:41:30 <shanet> sorry Teamviewer, I have to go as it is dinner time. ChrisMorgan is more capable than I and will be able to help you better that I can. Good luck to you.
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11:50:00 <Teamviewer> OK, thank you all for your attention. I called Teamviewer and told them about this case. They will chekc, why old link for TV 4.x portable app is not longer available on their webiste
11:50:37 <Teamviewer> I will ask them to provide this version again that you can set a link to this older version
11:50:58 <Teamviewer> Do you have a email address where to send further informations?
11:53:46 <Teamviewer> @Chris: Can you tell me ur email address?
11:55:08 <ChrisMorgan> Teamviewer: it's probably better for you to ask in the forums.
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12:08:47 <sar3th|PChat> i can't find the PAF on their site either
12:09:44 <sar3th|PChat> apart from that,
12:09:49 <sar3th|PChat> "CAVEAT: Using TeamViewer 5 Portable requires a TeamViewer Premium or Corporate license.
12:09:49 <sar3th|PChat> "
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14:07:46 <Raleigh> Morning all.
14:08:43 <Raleigh> I have a problem signing into Portablapps website. It indicates that I have been 'grey listed'. Any idea what caused that or what I can do to fix the issue?
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14:10:28 <Raleigh> Hi pa_4894
14:10:51 <Bensawsome> Raleigh it may mean that someone at your ip or using your account did something bad. I really dont know though.'
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14:11:40 <sar3th|PChat> Raleigh, best is probably to send an email to John i think
14:12:14 <Raleigh> Thanks Bensawsome. But I don't think so. I'm the only one who uses it, I'm 62 and don't play games with this...thanks for the suggestion though. I will ask him.
14:12:38 <Raleigh> I have a fixed IP as well...
14:12:49 <Raleigh> Thanks...later.
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14:27:34 <pa_6294> How does one get autorun on an xp sp3 box to work? The autorun.inf portable apps provides is in the roo of the usb, but it doesn't seem to be going through the autorun process.
14:27:56 <Gizmokid2005> pa_6294: you can't right now, Windows has blocked it for security reasons
14:29:16 <pa_6294> I guess I expect no less from those jokers
14:30:09 <Gizmokid2005> yeah...
14:30:25 <Gizmokid2005> there's a utility that is being worked on that you can install to your computer that will autostart it
14:31:05 <pa_6294> By portableapps?
14:31:21 <Gizmokid2005> yes
14:31:49 <pa_6294> I guess it will be advertised when it's ready. Thanks
14:33:20 <Gizmokid2005> you're welcome
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16:25:07 <awircser> hi
16:25:36 <awircser> how can i disable closing tabs in miranda by double clicking them
16:26:57 <JohnTHaller> I don't use it myself. I would recommend looking through Miranda IM's support docs and, failing that, asking in their forum.
16:27:35 <awircser> thanks JohnTHaller
16:27:47 <JohnTHaller> sure thing
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16:34:35 <Gringoloco> JohnTHaller: Did you ever get the source of PAU, with the progress bar fix?
16:34:49 <JohnTHaller> I gots it, yes
16:36:08 <Gringoloco> Hope I didn't make to many changes, concerning the promille stuff ?
16:39:22 <JohnTHaller> i haven't looked at it yet honestly
16:39:25 <JohnTHaller> promille?
16:40:16 <Gringoloco> I found a bug what made the progress-bar not working, when updating over 49 apps
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16:40:39 <Gringoloco> IntOp 49 / 50 = 0
16:40:56 <JohnTHaller> Heh. Ah yes.
16:41:38 <Gringoloco> So we needed a decimal extra, over 490 apps should theoreticly not happen
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16:42:19 <JohnTHaller> It won't for a little while, no
16:48:02 <JohnTHaller> Anyone with any thoughts on updates to Chrome Dev? http://portableapps.com/node/24275#comment-154741
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17:11:55 <pa_8487> hi can some1 plz help me?
17:12:11 <JohnTHaller> pa_8487: what is your issue?
17:12:26 <pa_8487> how do i unistall the suite from my memory stick, its showing F drive portable apps
17:13:06 <JohnTHaller> Just delete the files. The file autorun.inf in the root causes the name change. You may have to eject and reinsert to get the change to show in Windows Explorer as it doesn't detect the change in realtime.
17:13:41 <pa_8487> ok thanks alot :) that solves the problem of the namechange
17:13:48 <JohnTHaller> Sure thing
17:14:29 <sar3th|PChat> JohnTHaller: tbh, i don't think you should release these dev versions as portable at all. they only bring trouble, and if someone wishes to beta-test the software, he can also install the normal dev branch instead
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18:58:28 <JohnTHaller> New App: Database Browser Portable: http://portableapps.com/news/2010-07-22_-_database_browser_portable_3.2.2.9
19:03:26 <Gizmokid2005> Interesting
19:03:39 <Gizmokid2005> Now that's a neat app JohnTHaller :D
19:04:15 <JohnTHaller> Indeed. Took a few rounds to get the kinks out, but it's up now :)
19:04:27 <Gizmokid2005> I've never even heard of this one
19:04:31 <Gizmokid2005> were/are they hosted with SF?
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19:08:21 <JohnTHaller> They're freeware, not open source. Self-hosted.
19:08:39 <JohnTHaller> There;s a similar thing on SF that only does SQLite. I'm gonna post that sometime soon, too
19:10:15 <Gizmokid2005> I was looking for a DB manager a while ago to replace the paid one at work, never found one that measured up...have to try this one.
19:10:18 <gluxon> JohnTHaller: What about this?
19:10:18 <gluxon> http://www.talend.com/products-data-quality/talend-open-profiler.php
19:10:32 <gluxon> It's open source and looks pretty good.
19:10:43 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, that'd be a good candidate too
19:11:05 <gluxon> Then again, there's always the Eclipse Database Explorer :D
19:11:15 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: did you see/get a report about the 2B5 menu scrolling being very slow?
19:11:59 <JohnTHaller> Yeah. It isn't for me.
19:12:05 <Gizmokid2005> it does for me, and it's bad.
19:12:17 <JohnTHaller> You on an old PC or a laptop with old GPU?
19:12:32 <Gizmokid2005> I should specify, it's only with the PGUP and PGDWN keys that it's really slow
19:12:36 <Gizmokid2005> scrolling with a mousewheel is fine
19:12:50 <JohnTHaller> Or the scroll buttons, too, I assume
19:12:52 <Gizmokid2005> Nope, quad core phenom wth 4gb ram and an HD4870
19:13:11 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, the scroll buttons seem to exhibit similar behavior to the key presses
19:13:37 <JohnTHaller> It does 19 up/down operations in a row to do it. So users see the apps scroll and know what's up. I may disable it by default and leave it as an advanced option. I don't know a simple way to speed it up.
19:14:23 <Gizmokid2005> it even seems to queue up the presses and even after it's done scrolling it takes the same amount of time per press to complete the action
19:14:33 <Gizmokid2005> the whole time it's scrolling and above ^ it pegs one core of my CPU
19:14:37 <Gizmokid2005> so it'd peg a single core to 100%
19:14:38 <JohnTHaller> Odd. It's fine on my PC.
19:14:44 <Gizmokid2005> but it's ONLY with the key press
19:14:51 <Gizmokid2005> not sure how it's different
19:15:10 <gluxon> I'm not getting it either.
19:15:12 <JohnTHaller> Or the scrollbar button.
19:15:19 <gluxon> With sroll or Keys.
19:15:21 <Gizmokid2005> because scrolling with the mousewheel it is fine....but the buttons and keypresses seem to lag it
19:15:26 <Gizmokid2005> GringoLoco had it as well
19:15:59 <Gizmokid2005> it's new in B5 though...B4 ran perfect and quick like I'd expect
19:16:00 <JohnTHaller> It's supposed to do 19 operations in a row with a slow pause between each one. It's purposly a little slow and should take approximately 1.2 seconds to complete.
19:16:29 <JohnTHaller> Like I said, I and others simply can't reproduce it, so I'm not sure what's different about your and Gringoloco's boxes.
19:16:44 <Gizmokid2005> it's less than a second to do the scroll for me
19:16:53 <Gizmokid2005> so it's probably behaving as expected...it just seems MUCH slower than B4
19:17:19 <JohnTHaller> Less than a second? I thought you meant it was like glacial or something
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19:17:25 <JohnTHaller> That's how it's supposed to be working.
19:17:32 <Gizmokid2005> no no, not like 5 seconds...I meant slow in comparison to B4
19:17:43 <Gizmokid2005> didn't realize that you'd changed it to slow up like that. Hence why I asked.
19:18:04 <JohnTHaller> I didn't. It's only a hair slower than B4. It clocks in at about a second.
19:18:29 <Gizmokid2005> lemme pull up a copy of B4 and see if I can get a vid to compare them
19:23:01 <Gringoloco> It just odd that from time to time it scrolls that fast. BTW: it always got me, just now it seems to be a tad worse
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19:24:04 <Gringoloco> end up scrolling all the way down the list, and have to go back up again
19:32:22 <JohnTHaller> Maybe I'll switch it to instant move (no animation) and leave animation as an advanced option
19:34:30 <gluxon> JohnTHaller: NOOOO :'(
19:35:24 <JohnTHaller> Well, if the speed is sluggish. I can't speed it up at all. Delphi 2010 simply repaints a bit slowed than Delphi 2003
19:37:59 <Gringoloco> Guess I got to uninstall some more apps. It's about 4 seconds to scroll with the button or with the wheel, no real difference there. Windows XP, laptop 1.60GHz
19:38:16 <JohnTHaller> How many apps do you have?
19:38:28 <JohnTHaller> Don't start uninstalling :-P Smart app management is coming soon.
19:38:48 <Gizmokid2005> alright JohnTHaller, give me just a minute, taking a video now.
19:40:41 <Gringoloco> Lol, most of them are just DT I do not even really use. I've got about 75 apps
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19:43:44 <JohnTHaller> Ah ok
19:43:52 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: video uploading now
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19:46:56 <JohnTHaller> gimme gimme
19:47:36 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqeQCf8FXI8 still processing though...
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19:48:54 <DaveF> Thank you for all the great work you do in bringing us portable apps for Windows. I like to use these on my notebook PC know that I have one less app using the Registry. I have one request. Is it possible to give us a portable version of Windows XP or 7, one that doesn’t use the GFR (God Forsaken Registry). Oh wait, I remember now….its called Linux. Thanks again.
19:48:57 <JohnTHaller> Ouch. That is slow.
19:49:08 <Gizmokid2005> see what I mean JohnTHaller? It seems like there's a real problem :(
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19:52:34 <JohnTHaller> Yeah. I'll disable the animations in that case.
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20:04:47 <Gizmokid2005> sounds good JohnTHaller. I just thought I'd point it out...just didn't seem right to me.
20:07:00 <JohnTHaller> For anyone asking why they can't install to a custom directory and then have the updater work: http://portableapps.com/node/24258?page=1#comment-154764
20:08:59 <Gizmokid2005> hadn't seen any complaints about that...but it makes perfect sense.
20:09:12 <JohnTHaller> I think Bruce had asked about it previously
20:09:28 <JohnTHaller> This is only the second time it's come up. I posted a technical explanation as to why this time.
20:09:43 <Gizmokid2005> yeah.
20:10:14 <Gizmokid2005> Haven't gotten much feedback with DamnVid...but it should be pretty ready to go. Just need someone to go through it with a fine tooth comb, mainly in the docs.
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20:24:34 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: I think I found a bug with the updater
20:24:40 <JohnTHaller> what
20:24:42 <Gizmokid2005> it may just be temporary but want to check
20:24:45 <Gizmokid2005> I went to update pidgin
20:24:57 <Gizmokid2005> it's been running (the pidgin installer that is) for the last 8 minutes
20:25:19 <Gizmokid2005> I've got I/O on my drive, but it's typically a 30 minute install
20:25:19 <JohnTHaller> any drive activity? is it still running in task manager?
20:25:24 <Gizmokid2005> yes and yes
20:25:43 <JohnTHaller> perhaps it's doing a multilingual install
20:25:47 <JohnTHaller> 5x as long
20:25:51 <Gizmokid2005> but if I check the Strings of the process (the installer process) it shows that the integrity check has failed
20:26:03 <JohnTHaller> huh?
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20:26:46 <Gizmokid2005> using process explorer
20:27:12 <Gizmokid2005> I checked the "strings" tab...and it shows them there
20:27:16 <Gizmokid2005> Hmmm
20:27:22 <Gizmokid2005> it just seems that 10 minutes is excessive.
20:27:23 <JohnTHaller> well, those are some of the strings in the installer
20:27:24 <Marcus> I run Firefox fully installed on WinXP. Is there anything I need to know in advance when running Portable Firefox 4 along side, so they don't confict?
20:27:27 <JohnTHaller> doesn't mean that it's failed
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20:27:47 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, that's what I'm seeing JohnTHaller, but it just finished.
20:27:58 <JohnTHaller> See if it installed multilingual
20:28:08 <JohnTHaller> Marcus: Not really. Just don't install to PROGRAMFILES
20:28:31 <Gizmokid2005> where should I check JohnTHaller? appinfo?
20:28:45 <JohnTHaller> yes
20:28:52 <Gizmokid2005> Language=Multilingual
20:29:10 <JohnTHaller> No. InstallType=English. That line
20:29:12 <Marcus> Thanks John! I think what you maean is don't install to the same directory, right? I use C:\Apps where possible, not PROGRAMFILES
20:29:16 <Gizmokid2005> InstallType=English
20:29:20 <Gizmokid2005> yep, still english JohnTHaller
20:29:29 <JohnTHaller> C:\PortableApps is recommended
20:29:42 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: Then it did work properly.
20:29:49 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: it seems that it did nearly all of it's file writing at the end of the processes life...wonder why it took so long.
20:30:09 <JohnTHaller> Not sure. It's running like usual. What antivirus do you use?
20:30:16 <Marcus> Thanks John, I will use C:\PortableApps. :)
20:30:25 <Gizmokid2005> Avira. Other installs went fine as well, no lag in them
20:30:27 <JohnTHaller> You're welcome. Enjoy :)
20:30:40 <Gizmokid2005> less load than normal as well...not a higher level of drive activity or anything
20:30:55 <Gizmokid2005> it just seems as if the process idled for about 9 minutes then decided to do something
20:31:49 <Marcus> John, I sent you a (comedy relief) message here: http://portableapps.com/node/24334
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21:27:20 <sar3th|PChat> damn, john is gone again :/
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23:53:57 <vf2nsr> If I wish to portablize a program that requires Lame can I place an online installer in the program package or do I need to make the Lame installer seperate?
23:54:34 <ChrisMorgan> *Requires* LAME? Not just enhanced by it?
23:54:47 <vf2nsr> Requires
23:55:06 <vf2nsr> as in it don't work 3without it
23:55:58 <vf2nsr> I guess you could say enhanced since it enhances its ability to actually work
23:57:00 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm. Interesting question. I /think/ online installer should be OK.
23:57:27 <vf2nsr> that is what I was thinking package the program and build in the online Lame installer
23:57:47 <vf2nsr> so it is one download so to speak
23:58:56 <vf2nsr> well guess off tow ork on it then and see what I get for results your opinion appreciated Chris
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