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00:02:05 <pa_5740> ZachThibeau: How do you back up the list of networks in Pchat Portable?
00:02:57 <ZachThibeau> the list is hard coded if you added your own then it will be added the server list conf file which can be backed up by the backup tool included with the portableapps.com platform
00:04:17 <pa_5740> ZachThibeau: OK, I ask because the current list is a bit long for my liking, and I just wnat the networks I need, while keeping the original list just in case.
00:04:29 <pa_5740> want*
00:05:16 <pa_5740> ChrisMorgan: May I PM you about something?
00:05:26 <ChrisMorgan> Probably.
00:16:44 <pa_5740> Concerning my thread "Media Format Licensing Details", what are your opinions concerning it?
00:17:24 <pa_5740> .seen JohnTHaller
00:17:24 <GizmoBot> pa_5740: I last saw johnthaller at 2010-07-22 20:33:16 UTC on #portableapps
00:24:16 <pa_5740> MaienM: May I PM you?
00:28:30 <pa_5740> Gizmokid2005: May I PM you about something?
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00:33:24 <pa_5740> ChrisMorgan: Sorry to be asking a lot of "May I's", but may I PM you?
00:33:52 <ChrisMorgan> "Probably." :P
00:33:58 <pa_5740> OK
00:34:09 <ChrisMorgan> But I'll be gone in about 5 minutes.
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00:35:28 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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00:36:59 <GizmoBot> Sergentsiler is a PortableApps.com Menu Themer, his theme website is http://silerhost.site50.net
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00:56:27 <pa_6274> Websites opened in Chrome from desktop icons do not show up in history when a website is opened in Chrome Portable, and websites opened in Chrome Portable do not show in history when a website is opened in Chrome. Is this supposed to happen? Apparently, the desktop icons speak with non-portable Chrome only. Is there a way to change this?
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05:18:12 <JacobMastel> Hello all
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13:25:01 <pa_4695> i have had this netbook for almost 2 years with no problems. on the 21st i download portable apps from main website and i now have trojan horse popping up like crazy and my restore file is infrected. any thoughts
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14:37:03 <LOGAN> good day
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14:58:43 <GizmoBot> computerfreaker is working on KidSafe and Iron Portable, and would very much like to have folks test them and give feedback.
14:59:31 <computerfreaker> I just tried posting a pair of comments in the BleachBit Portable beta testing thread, and the spam filter ate both comments. There wasn't anything suspicious about either comment - no links, no formatting, and both comments were relatively short. If an admin could look into that, I'd be very grateful.
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16:37:23 <shanet> JohnTHaller: Hey. Would you please help me with some NSIS? I am running unicodeNSISportable?
16:37:34 <JohnTHaller> shanet: what's your issue?
16:38:47 <shanet> In compiling, it goes like this:
16:38:53 <shanet> Error in macro MUI_INTERFACE on macroline 64
16:38:59 <shanet> Error in macro MUI_PAGE_INIT on macroline 2
16:39:05 <shanet> Error in macro MUI_PAGE_WELCOME on macroline 5
16:39:11 <JohnTHaller> What are you writing custom code for?
16:39:25 <shanet> I'm experimenting with the code for the installer.
16:39:39 <JohnTHaller> We don't support modifications of it with the name and trademarks intact.
16:41:18 <shanet> OK. I think I may have figured it out anyway.
16:41:34 <JohnTHaller> What are you trying to make it do?
16:41:36 <shanet> yep. Figured it out. Thanks anyway
16:42:18 <shanet> I'm trying to remove restrictions on the checking. You know when you for example don't have the appinfo.ini file?
16:42:45 <JohnTHaller> Why? Without that, it won't work right with the platform or understand upgrades and such
16:43:17 <shanet> I know. I am not editing the installer, I have a backup.
16:43:23 <shanet> All files and everything
16:43:31 <shanet> just mucking around :)
16:43:36 <JohnTHaller> I know... but... why? :-P
16:43:57 <shanet> It's not for an installer as such
16:45:22 <shanet> Hows the next platform coming along?
16:45:29 <JohnTHaller> bit by bit
16:46:15 <shanet> bit buggy?
16:46:33 <JohnTHaller> no, it's coming along piece by piece
16:46:58 <sar3th> JohnTHaller: just fyi, i compiled 2beta4 with delphi 2010, and the scrolling issue was not there (i had Gizmokid2005 test it for me)...i wonder what's causing it
16:47:37 <shanet> What scrolling issue?
16:47:40 <JohnTHaller> could be the simpler themes
16:47:52 <JohnTHaller> themes in 2b5 are more complex
16:48:03 <JohnTHaller> multiple layers as opposed to just one
16:48:20 <sar3th> yes, probably...i will try to track down the issue when i have the time :)
16:48:39 <shanet> yes. I noticed that. That was one of the first things I looked at, as when you came onto the IRC the day youreleased it, I was a few minutes from finishing a theme
16:49:29 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: wanna create a splash for DamnVid for me when you have time? :D
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16:53:10 <shanet> hahahaha! old string for someone wanting windows 7 portable :P
16:53:24 <shanet> Can somebody please make a portable version of Windows 7. I need to run it from my 128MB flash drive that I bought from a street vendor who strangely wasn't there the following day.
16:53:31 <shanet> Don't worry about licensing or legal issues, you won't get into trouble, I promise not to tell.
16:53:36 <shanet> Oh and while you're at it can you come round my house, shampoo my carpets and do my laundry?
16:53:43 <shanet> P.S. Please let the dog out and the cat in. Thx!
16:53:59 <shanet> Love some threads
16:54:17 <shanet> and The "T" in John T. Haller
16:54:43 <shanet> Does anyone else find some threads like these a useful waste of space?
16:55:27 <sar3th> actually, win7 on usb is por
16:55:31 <sar3th> *possible
16:55:36 <sar3th> but NOT as portableapp
16:56:02 <shanet> yeah
16:56:09 <shanet> its not an app
16:56:12 <shanet> :P
16:57:38 <shanet> There is one app I cant remember what its called is for portable OS's on PA.com
16:57:57 <sar3th> probably virtualbox?
16:58:20 <shanet> no not virtualbox
16:58:32 <shanet> however vb rox for what its worth
16:58:45 <shanet> something like a DOS prompt like thing
16:59:05 <shanet> cant help but think DOSBOX, but thats gaming isn't it?
16:59:19 <sar3th> yes
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17:50:54 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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17:55:52 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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18:28:02 <pa_5740> JohnTHaller: May I PM you about something?
18:28:06 <JohnTHaller> ok
18:41:18 <pa_5740> .seen ZachtheBeau
18:41:18 <GizmoBot> Sorry, I haven't seen zachthebeau around.
18:41:52 <sar3th> pa_5740, he left at 20:02 in my time
18:41:52 <sar3th> .t
18:41:53 <GizmoBot> Fri, 23 Jul 2010 20:44:43 MESZ
18:42:01 <sar3th> so about 40 minutes ago
18:42:02 <JohnTHaller> it helps if you spell it right
18:42:12 <pa_5740> :)
18:42:34 <pa_5740> Ok, do you think he'll be back soon?
18:42:37 <sar3th> oh...well, yeah
18:42:41 <sar3th> .seen ZachThibeau
18:42:41 <GizmoBot> Sorry, I haven't seen zachthibeau around.
18:43:08 <sar3th> yeah, i think he'll be back in 1 hour or 2
18:45:31 <pa_5740> Ok, I was asking because I've a bug to report concerning PChat.
18:46:21 <JohnTHaller> Best to report bugs in the forums. [Bug] PChat does X...
18:49:03 <pa_5740> Ok.
18:49:55 <pa_5740> Does anyone here have DownThemAll?
18:50:36 <pa_5740> It's a add-on for Firefox.
18:52:35 <pa_5740> I ask because I'm downloading something at present using DownThemAll!, but I've goofed and now it's stuck.
18:52:48 <JohnTHaller> Pause exit and restart
18:53:36 <pa_5740> I can't pause it, the browser's stuck. So by the same token, I can't access DownThemAll.
18:54:01 <JohnTHaller> You'll probably have to kill it then. There's not much else you can do
18:54:14 <pa_5740> If I kill it, will it harm my download?
18:54:19 <JohnTHaller> No idea
18:54:37 <sar3th> probably yes
18:54:39 <JohnTHaller> If it's properly written, it'll resume it as long as the server supports it.
18:54:51 <sar3th> but your download may be already busted anyway, so it's hard to tell
18:54:54 <JohnTHaller> Honestly what else can you do anyway? If it's stuck in a lood, you
18:54:58 <JohnTHaller> 're done anyway
18:58:24 <pa_5740> Fortunately, I've closed it and started FF again, and everything's fine.
18:59:11 <pa_5740> Which is good because it takes a while to download 1.8 GB.
19:02:49 <pa_5740> BTW, where is the area in the forums that deals with bug reports?
19:03:06 <JohnTHaller> Support forums. If an app doesn't have its own, then Other Apps Support
19:03:52 <pa_5740> Alright, this is concerning the updater for the PortableApps 2.0 Platform
19:03:57 <pa_5740> Beta 5
19:04:32 <JohnTHaller> Then look at the Beta 5 forum topic and ensure it's not already a known issue first. If it is not, post a comment.
19:04:40 <JohnTHaller> Known issues are right in the main post at the bottom
19:04:48 <pa_5740> Ok.
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19:40:43 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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20:02:04 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: wanna setup a DamnVid splash for me when you have time
20:02:09 <Gizmokid2005> *+?
20:13:40 <JohnTHaller> You have a high-res logo?
20:13:44 <Gizmokid2005> yep
20:13:56 <JohnTHaller> where be it
20:15:07 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: http://code.google.com/p/damnvid/source/browse/trunk/img/icon512.png
20:15:16 <Gizmokid2005> http://damnvid.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/img/icon512.png <-- direct link to it.
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20:19:48 <JohnTHaller> http://portableapps.com/temp/DamnVidPortable.jpg
20:20:48 <sar3th> looks great
20:21:03 <Gizmokid2005> Awesome JohnTHaller! Thanks. It looks really good with the icon and coloring.
20:26:30 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, matches ours well
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20:26:57 <Gizmokid2005> I'll get the PR out soon, hopefully there are still no issues...I can't see how there would be, and we'll get it out soon :D
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20:42:36 <RandomGuy001> Is anyone here familiar with the PortableApps.comLauncher?
20:42:41 <JohnTHaller> Yes
20:43:17 <RandomGuy001> I'm having a bit of trouble wrapping my head around the app.ini settings
20:43:37 <JohnTHaller> which ones. appinfo.ini or launcher.ini?
20:43:54 <RandomGuy001> launcher
20:44:03 <JohnTHaller> Honestly, it's best to grab a few existing apps that use the launcher and check them out. Audacity, PChat, etc.
20:44:21 <Gizmokid2005> the manual should help a bit as well RandomGuy001
20:44:43 <RandomGuy001> Yeah I read through it, but can't seem to find what I'm looking for, or I'm doing it wrong
20:44:44 <JohnTHaller> Even with the manual, it gets complex. I learned better looking at other apps
20:44:52 <JohnTHaller> WHat are you trying to do?
20:45:52 <RandomGuy001> I'm trying to, ideally, redirect the %APPDATA% folder
20:46:07 <RandomGuy001> I've tried setting the folder in the environmental variables, with no luck
20:46:28 <RandomGuy001> and I've set the folder in the [DirectoriesMove] section, but only get an empty directory
20:49:56 <RandomGuy001> I'll take a look at some of those examples, I didn't think they were built on this framework
20:50:13 <JohnTHaller> Most apps will ignore setting the APPDATA variable
20:51:17 <JohnTHaller> So you need to move stuff back and forth. Audacity does this and has a DirectoriesMove section that should help you.
20:52:13 <RandomGuy001> Right-o, I'll take a look at that specifically
20:52:17 <RandomGuy001> Thanks
20:52:20 <JohnTHaller> Sure thing
20:52:26 <JohnTHaller> If you need more help, post some details in eth forum
20:52:34 <JohnTHaller> That way more folks can help you over time
20:52:42 <RandomGuy001> Will do
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21:46:28 <GizmoBot> SergentSiler is a PortableApps.com Menu Themer, his theme website is http://silerhost.site50.net
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21:53:21 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
22:00:04 <ZachThibeau> howdy John
22:00:09 <JohnTHaller> hi
22:00:17 <ZachThibeau> whats new?
22:00:38 <JohnTHaller> finished the app updates, working on platform/updter stuff. you?
22:01:24 <ZachThibeau> just working on some pchat stuff, got the built in tray working but window flashing isn't working now
22:03:30 <ZachThibeau> it's a small portion and it's win32 specific so a rewrite of that part shouldn't be hard at all
22:04:31 <JohnTHaller> odd
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22:44:25 <Pyromaniac> quick question (I was hoping Chris would be here, but I gotta go soon): I remember hearing about an NSIS plugin that would "wait" for an process to close... an alternative to using "FindProc" in a bunch of loops... does anyone know what it is?
22:44:47 <JohnTHaller> It would be a plugin that does, basically, the same thing.
22:44:55 <JohnTHaller> I think
22:45:00 <JohnTHaller> Ask in the forum and somebody will know
22:45:27 <Pyromaniac> ok
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22:46:57 <Pyromaniac> found it! http://portableapps.com/node/12561
22:54:35 <Pyromaniac> hey JohnTHaller do you know of any free delphi compilers that will compile PAM without errors?
22:55:20 <JohnTHaller> There are none, nor will there be.
22:55:34 <Pyromaniac> do you still use delphi 2006
22:55:40 <JohnTHaller> Delphi 2010
22:55:50 <JohnTHaller> as of Beta 5
22:55:55 <Pyromaniac> ok
22:55:58 <JohnTHaller> That's how we do Unicode now
22:57:19 <Pyromaniac> to be honest, I've never understood the difference between Unicode and regular NSIS... I hear there are advantages, but I don't see why one provides those abilities and the others dont
22:57:57 <JohnTHaller> Any app that is not Unicode is ANSI. That means it can only display languages that the OS's codepage is set to.
22:58:15 <JohnTHaller> So, if I fire up an ANSI app in my copy of Windows and set it to Japanese, it'll show with just random characters
22:58:34 <Pyromaniac> ah
22:58:34 <JohnTHaller> Same with Russian, Korean, Chinese, Hebrew, etc.
22:58:48 <JohnTHaller> And languages like Vietnamese can't even be supported at all.
22:58:56 <JohnTHaller> Nor can Serbian
22:59:15 <Pyromaniac> so Unicode apps are a bit larger, right?
22:59:49 <JohnTHaller> We made the switch from ANSI to Unicode to allow support for those additional languages and to allow users to use their apps in the language they want regardless of the language setting within Windows.
23:00:07 <JohnTHaller> Not really, they're about the same. It's about how the app works with strings.
23:00:17 <JohnTHaller> The only tradeoff is dumping support for Windows 95/98/Me.
23:00:30 <Pyromaniac> ah
23:00:40 <JohnTHaller> They don't support Unicode
23:00:57 <Pyromaniac> are there advantages (other than that above) with using ANSI over Unicode?
23:01:14 <JohnTHaller> Supporting Windows 9x. That's honestly it.
23:01:24 <Pyromaniac> wow
23:01:47 <Pyromaniac> one more question
23:02:03 <Pyromaniac> the launcher version for FFP is 1.6.7.0
23:02:21 <JohnTHaller> But updating software from ANSI to Unicode takes a while. That's why Delphi was so late to the game. Delphi 2009 introduced it finally.
23:02:24 <JohnTHaller> what about it
23:02:30 <Pyromaniac> did the launcher specification change?
23:02:44 <JohnTHaller> what do you mean?
23:03:42 <Pyromaniac> well, when I first started to write Trillian Astra's launcher, I wrote the version for my launcher
23:04:17 <JohnTHaller> Each individual app launcher has its own internal version number. It means absolutely nothing outside of its own context.
23:04:22 <Pyromaniac> somebody helped me revise it and they said that the version is 1.6.6.0 because thats the launcher secification
23:04:55 <JohnTHaller> All the launchers have different versions. Each is changed when a change is made to that individual launcher. They mean nothing in relation to each other at all.
23:05:07 <Pyromaniac> >_< I guess I need to go change 17 launcher versions
23:05:12 <JohnTHaller> They mean nothing in relation to each other at all.
23:05:52 <JohnTHaller> Don't worry about it. At all.
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23:29:40 <Pyromaniac> hi GizmoBot
23:29:41 <GizmoBot> Hi Pyromaniac!
23:30:24 <auscompgeek> Hello Pyromaniac.
23:41:37 <Pyromaniac> JohnTHaller: I'm getting a bug with the updater
23:41:44 <Pyromaniac> hi auscompgeek
23:41:59 <Pyromaniac> the online installer don't work with this proxy settings
23:42:21 <Pyromaniac> the library has it set up so you have to enter a username and password before accessing the internet
23:42:26 <Pyromaniac> error 407
23:42:26 <auscompgeek> It worked fine at my school....
23:42:56 <Pyromaniac> and the installer from the updater aren't asking me, they just go straight to error messages
23:43:29 <Pyromaniac> but when I try to manually install the app, the proxy prompts me like normal
23:43:49 <Pyromaniac> should I report this in your forum topic?
23:46:22 <auscompgeek> oh, the installers...
23:46:47 <auscompgeek> You should post on the forums about it.
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