IRC Log from 2010-07-28
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01:00:16 <Mir> SergentSiler: :D
01:00:25 <Mir> need i say more
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01:02:19 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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01:22:29 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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01:40:36 <SergentSiler> Mir, lol no you need not
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02:03:34 <WaterRatj> Hey!
02:04:00 <WaterRatj> I have a question, if i place files in the my videos and stuff, and i delete the launcher, will it delete my files to?
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02:09:38 <gluxon> WaterRatj: No, it shouldn't.
02:10:24 <WaterRatj> Thanks
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02:20:48 <Mir> :)
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02:20:54 <gluxon> ...
02:20:55 <gluxon> :)
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02:21:06 <Mir> sup gluxon
02:21:12 <gluxon> sup Mir
02:21:16 <Mir> its a quite night
02:21:25 <gluxon> Yeah.
02:21:27 <Mir> i cant seem to join -ot anymoe
02:21:31 <Mir> meh
02:21:38 <gluxon> Really?
02:21:42 <sar3th> banned?
02:21:43 <Mir> yup
02:21:45 <Mir> no
02:21:47 <sar3th> :(
02:21:51 <Mir> nothing happens
02:21:57 <gluxon> Hm.. I can quit and join perfectly.
02:22:06 <Mir> i cant
02:22:08 <Mir> meh
02:22:38 <gluxon> YES!
02:22:43 <gluxon> Firefox 4 Beta 2 finally came out! ;D
02:22:44 <Mir> O.O
02:23:46 <gluxon> Mozilla was 5 days late >_<
02:23:58 <Gizmokid2005> gluxon: better than the alternative...
02:24:02 <Mir> lol
02:24:10 <Mir> never comming out at all :D
02:24:20 <Mir> immediat FF 4 B4
02:24:21 <gluxon> .. lol :P
02:24:31 * gluxon now goes to check Beta 3 release date.
02:24:42 <Mir> oh wow
02:24:48 <gluxon> TabCandy looks awesome :D
02:24:53 <Mir> they are already working on a pre alpha of suse
02:25:00 <Mir> >_<
02:25:02 <Gizmokid2005> you have GOT to be fucking KIDDING me...*sigh*
02:25:05 <Mir> no
02:25:35 <Mir> 11.3 has left me in dissapoint
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02:26:47 <gluxon> Hello pa_7263, need help with anything?
02:27:29 <pa_7263> I m a new user , anybody to chat?
02:27:58 <gluxon> Me, Gizmo, and Mir :P
02:28:19 <pa_7263> venga , speak spanish?
02:28:32 <Gizmokid2005> pa_7263: that's dbdii407's specialty
02:28:53 <gluxon> Partly, can't be completely fluent, but yeah, dbdii407 loves spanish :P
02:29:55 <pa_7263> eeeeeee disculpa , me tengo que ir justo ahora
02:30:44 <pa_7263> I m gonna get in tomorrow
02:30:48 <pa_7263> sorry
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02:32:08 <Gizmokid2005> Hmmm...TabCandy isn't in FF4B2?
02:32:12 <Gizmokid2005> must not be..
02:33:10 <gluxon> Gizmokid2005: Beta 3
02:33:11 <Mir> must get foiod
02:33:54 <Gizmokid2005> I figured gluxon
02:33:59 <Gizmokid2005> maybe I should install minefield...
02:34:22 * Mir has to curse because of a stubbed toe
02:34:35 <Mir> SIN^2+COS^2=!
02:34:52 <Mir> 1-TAN^=CSC^2
02:35:31 <gluxon> O_o
02:36:03 <Mir> tan(a-b)= 1+tanA+tanB/1-(TanA)(TanB)
02:36:16 <Mir> ahh
02:36:20 <Mir> i feel better
02:36:41 <Mir> Trigonmoetric identities are my new swear words
02:37:45 <dbdii407> ?
02:38:34 <sar3th> nice lol, at least they are sfw
02:38:46 <Gizmokid2005> you missed it dbdii407, the user left
02:39:35 <Gizmokid2005> OOhhh, app tabs in B3 too :D
02:39:40 <Gizmokid2005> but I can't figure otu tab candy still...
02:39:41 <Mir> sinα/a
02:39:46 <dbdii407> disculpa, estaba mirando tv
02:40:01 <dbdii407> anyone figure out what he wanted?
02:40:26 <Gizmokid2005> nope
02:40:28 <Mir> sinγ/c
02:40:42 <Gizmokid2005> he came, asked if anyone wanted to chat...asked if anyone spoke spanish...apologized and left.
02:40:43 <Mir> sinβ/b
02:41:44 <sar3th> log_b a
02:42:47 <Mir> a^2+b^2=c^
02:42:50 <Mir> 2
02:42:54 <Gizmokid2005> ahh...it's a special build of minefield that has TC in it...ahh well
02:43:27 <Mir> have you noticed how fast the developmetn of tinycore is going?
02:43:59 <Mir> i mean 2πr^2!
02:44:50 <sar3th> sinx!
02:45:09 <sar3th> if i could remember the formula for the harmonic swinging, i'd say it now
02:45:15 <sar3th> soemthing with pi/4
02:45:18 <sar3th> ..:S
02:46:21 <Mir> 2sinX-1=cosX
02:46:25 <Mir> D:
02:47:06 <dbdii407> Ah. Okay. Well, maybe next time I won't get pinged while I'm in the shower.
02:47:28 <Mir> i havent slept this bad until i started this summer trig course
02:47:32 <Mir> X_X
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02:48:15 <Mir> you have it back up and running?
02:48:19 <Mir> hehe
02:48:27 <Mir> what reiteration are you on now?
02:48:35 <Mir> i gave up on #6
02:49:18 <sar3th> well, we are linked to another irc network, and currently doing good i suppose
02:49:29 <Mir> :o
02:49:45 <Mir> no more major downtime when dbdii407's computer dies?
02:49:55 <sar3th> yep
02:50:00 <Mir> 8D
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04:15:16 <budd> i like make some portable apps, and how i do that.
04:16:36 <budd> can you please help me to do that. I'm so interested about that
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04:51:43 <Mir> i am amused by broken engrish
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06:16:26 <JohnTHaller> hi all
06:16:30 <JohnTHaller> hi ChrisMorgan, you around?
06:16:37 <ChrisMorgan> Yep
06:17:21 <JohnTHaller> Got a launcher question for you. I know we can do replaces for values... but what about the initial value? I'd assumed we could preload a settings file with LastDrive in DefaultData along with it.
06:18:24 <ChrisMorgan> I had planned that we could, but I missed that out in 2.0. It's in the repository for 2.1.
06:18:59 <JohnTHaller> Ah ok. Any way I can hack it in for now? It affects a few apps including Opera Portable which I'm putting a test of together.
06:19:37 <JohnTHaller> (Otherwise the download directory is undefined, defined incorrectly or the user can't change it... none of which are happy things)
06:20:38 <ChrisMorgan> It was discovered after I'd sent the final version to you. I didn't think it would affect people as much as it seems to be, so perhaps I should move it into a 2.0.1 release. Even if it is a new feature.
06:21:16 <JohnTHaller> We don't need to stand on protocol for versioning. ?.?.x can add features. Even Mozilla is doing it now.
06:21:45 <ChrisMorgan> Not much. I'd just prefer to keep it clean that way; it seems to me it makes sense.
06:22:21 <JohnTHaller> Well, technically, it's a bugfix :) DefaultData is just being copied over later than expected.
06:22:54 <ChrisMorgan> Personally I'm more of the opinion that it's a bugfix, but technically a feature... :P
06:24:09 <JohnTHaller> I was surprised that Find==%PAL:LastDrive% will actually find =X:
06:24:33 <ChrisMorgan> Why? That's exactly what I'd expect it to find, myself.
06:24:52 <Gringoloco> Just running settings.nsh a bit earlier in a customcode is a piece of cake, that would at least fix the DefaultData being copied a bit earlier
06:25:04 <JohnTHaller> I assumed it would mess it up. I was looking at escapt codes and things. And it turned out that DefaultData wasn;'t copied in yet... heh
06:25:41 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, it looks like I may need customcode anyway for this one as the language selection looks like this:
06:26:04 <JohnTHaller> Language File={Resources}locale\es-la\es-LA.lng
06:26:23 <ChrisMorgan> INI parsing is extremely simple. It's not ultra-highly-parsed, it's basically just string comparisons all the way.
06:26:38 <JohnTHaller> Yeah. I just overcomplicated it in my head.
06:26:54 <ChrisMorgan> Urk... Command Prompt is so horrible once you're used to gnome-terminal/bash...
06:27:11 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: Can customcode directly set the LanguageCustom var?
06:27:31 <ChrisMorgan> And the colours are all wrong... and the fonts... and no extra colouring for the directory or with commands like 'hg'...
06:27:47 <ChrisMorgan> It should be able to.
06:28:38 <Gringoloco> The language segment should be able to deal with (almost) everything, except for xml settings
06:29:16 <ChrisMorgan> As for the DefaultData thing - http://portableapps.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/portableapps/launcher/rev/73da34d0b8eb and http://portableapps.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/portableapps/launcher/rev/ec862deee844 comprise the change made (second one to fix a blunder I made in using $DataDirectory before it's ready)
06:29:17 <JohnTHaller> Gringoloco: What do you mean? You mean custom, right? The standard one needs a standalone variable it can pull in.
06:29:29 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller, remember file detection doesn't care about case
06:29:51 <JohnTHaller> I'm not worried about case. That's the variable it has to read to get the last set language.
06:30:18 <JohnTHaller> Nowhere is there a nice setting that says Language=es-LA
06:30:28 <ChrisMorgan> Do you want the whole {Resou..lng string, or just es-LA?
06:30:40 <ChrisMorgan> If just es-LA, it can be done (please stand by...)
06:30:49 <JohnTHaller> WIthout custom code?
06:30:58 <JohnTHaller> This one would be easier: Language Files Directory={Resources}locale\es-la
06:32:45 <Gringoloco> ...and what would {Resources} be
06:34:04 <ChrisMorgan> [LanguageFile]
06:34:05 <ChrisMorgan> Type=ConfigRead
06:34:08 <ChrisMorgan> File=%PAL:DataDir%\whatever\config.file
06:34:11 <ChrisMorgan> Entry=Language Files Directory={Resources}locale\
06:34:47 <Gringoloco> ...and hope it's not a utf-16 file :)
06:34:48 <JohnTHaller> {Resources} is used by Opera internally and can't be changed
06:35:15 <ChrisMorgan> Gringoloco: and if it is, it's your fault ;-)
06:36:25 <JohnTHaller> Well, duh... I didn't think of doing a configread on it
06:36:32 <JohnTHaller> It's UTF-8
06:36:50 <ChrisMorgan> Fine.
06:37:03 <ChrisMorgan> Very sensible. No-one should use UTF-16.
06:37:19 <JohnTHaller> Our menu locale files do :(
06:37:57 <ChrisMorgan> Change to UTF-8 as soon as reasonable (and as soon as it won't slow anything down). Muah hah hah!
06:38:32 <JohnTHaller> Can't. UTF-8 and it doesn't show up properly. It loads it in as encoded ANSI. Which means Japanese on English = random characters.
06:38:50 <ChrisMorgan> With or without BOM?
06:39:16 <JohnTHaller> However Notepad++ saves stuff
06:39:41 <Gringoloco> although I do not agree with Chris : MultiByteToWideChar(CP_UTF8
06:40:06 <ChrisMorgan> So long as you select "Encode in UTF-8" and not "Encode in UTF-8 without BOM"
06:40:18 <JohnTHaller> I did
06:40:27 <ChrisMorgan> Pity, wonder why that is :-(
06:40:36 <Gringoloco> the windows api's can only deal with utf-16
06:40:48 <ChrisMorgan> Very foolish of them.
06:41:07 <ChrisMorgan> (Have you tried having it in UTF-16LE and then using "Convert to UTF-8"? Probably no change, but you never know...)
06:41:33 <JohnTHaller> I don't think it's a Notepad++ issue
06:42:50 <ChrisMorgan> No, I doubt it.
06:43:33 <ChrisMorgan> UTF-8 is just /so/ much easier to deal with than UTF-16LE... in Linux I suspect "UTF-16LE" may be a dirty word, everything's ANSI or UTF-8.
06:46:11 <JohnTHaller> Hmm... hang on...
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06:48:23 <ChrisMorgan> (Back to spam. Ah well. Pity Mollom didn't work out.)
06:48:45 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, no way to report false positives. Honestly, what's with that?
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06:50:58 <ChrisMorgan> The problem with such a feature would be - how do you discover a false positive? It's been blocked. Expose it to the user to submit upstream? Wonder what their manual filtering queues would grow to.
06:51:04 <Gringoloco> how would utf-8 be so much easier, you'd have to calculate every character to see out of how many bytes it would exist
06:51:43 <JohnTHaller> It's supposed to show you blocked messages on your system in a status report. It doesn;t
06:51:57 <ChrisMorgan> The /content/ of blocked messages?
06:53:48 <JohnTHaller> Yes, figured out how to use UTF-8. Have to do a UTF8Decode() on the string as it is read in from the INI file to ensure it's a full WideChar. Then when placed in a label or other control, Windows absolutely knows how to display it.
06:55:11 <ChrisMorgan> Good. I like UTF-8.
06:55:31 <ChrisMorgan> Anyway, John, I think you should be asleep. And I've got to go now, so bye!
06:55:45 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, bedtime for me. Made my progress for the evening
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08:01:08 <butter-chicken> Hi... Whenever I connect my USB Key and the PortableApps Autorun starts Windows 7 Enterprise prompts a: Do you want to Scan and Fix PortableApps.com (F:) ?
08:01:37 <butter-chicken> If I close this message it works fine... just wondering how to stop this coming up everytime I plugin the USB Key
08:03:38 <gluxon> Run the disk check.
08:04:11 <gluxon> Windows opens that message up every time it thinks your drive might be corrupt.
08:04:59 <gluxon> Which seems to a lot when you don't safely eject it.
08:06:08 <butter-chicken> yeah have run this before... its happening on 2 of my USB keys. here is the exact message: http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/713/messagebo.png
08:07:16 <butter-chicken> only seems to happen with Windows 7... Windows XP works fine.
08:07:49 <butter-chicken> its something i can live with... just wondering if there was a known solution to it.
08:07:56 <gluxon> Have you made sure both checkmarks are checked?
08:08:44 <gluxon> This feature was introduced in Vissta, which is why it's not happening on XP
08:09:21 <butter-chicken> cheers.
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10:44:52 <shanet> Gizmokid2005: Wow! You are on a lot!
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11:08:57 <GizmoBot> chazz is the guy who failed at developing stuff. :D
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14:35:19 <dbdii407> Okay! I'm here just in case some spanish people show up!
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15:00:08 <sar3th> lol
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16:49:04 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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17:31:39 <GizmoBot> chazz is the guy who failed at developing stuff. :D
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19:47:36 <eks20> Can you run portable apps (any/geneal question on portble apps in gen) again: can you run portabls apps from a hard drive / from windows drive (main HD)?
19:48:13 <eks20> why I ask is I want to test firefox beta out and don't want to have to use a usb but if can't I will
19:48:19 <eks20> so can I?
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19:51:42 <Gringoloco> eks20: Yes you can, just install it to C:\PortableApps
19:51:47 <Gringoloco> to late....
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22:26:30 <GizmoBot> Bensawsome is from the PortableApps.com forums, likes waffles VERY MUCH, and has a site at http://www.bensawsome.com . He also maintains StatBot and the IRCStats pages @ http://www.bensawsome.com/ircstats
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22:28:47 <pa_5740> Bensawsome: May I chat with you in private?
22:31:15 <pa_5740> Bensawsome: Or rather, may I PM you?
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22:51:14 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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23:51:49 <willian> hello all, can anyone try solve my question?
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