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02:05:54 <ChrisMorgan> Hey JohnTHaller :-)
02:09:46 <JohnTHaller> hola
02:09:59 <Gizmokid2005> allo JohnTHaller
02:10:16 <sar3th> hi JohnTHaller, ChrisMorgan
02:10:16 <JohnTHaller> How goes it?
02:10:36 <Gizmokid2005> acquired a new pet today we believe...sister of the husky/mastiff we've got...
02:10:51 <Gizmokid2005> so...it's been an interesting evening to say the least...and will be an interesting week at least
02:11:22 <JohnTHaller> ah nice
02:11:48 <JohnTHaller> I like huskies (girlfriend's folks have an alpha female). Don't know much about mastiffs
02:12:22 <Gizmokid2005> Mastiffs are basically big lap dogs
02:12:35 <Gizmokid2005> this one we got (Lola) has more husky in her than Sophie
02:13:01 <Gizmokid2005> she's got a husky coat and tail...we're waiting to see if her temperment changes at all once she settles down
02:13:48 <Gizmokid2005> she's a bit more hyper and less trained than sophie is...but we're going to see how it goes. We got Sophie from the same lady that has Lola...and she's gotta move into an apartment for a job and Lola can't come...so she asked us first.
02:15:40 <JohnTHaller> She'll settle a bit I'd wager
02:16:18 <Gizmokid2005> We think so too. She'll probably need a bit more training..but it's something we'll deal with...they're still less than 2years old so
02:17:13 <JohnTHaller> How goe sit with you ChrisMorgan and sar3th?
02:23:10 <ChrisMorgan> Fine.
02:24:06 <sar3th> trying to find out what the cause of Gizmokid2005's scrolling problem is, apart from that i'm good as well :)
02:24:44 <JohnTHaller> any progress?
02:25:14 <sar3th> none yet, i had to pause due to an exam
02:25:21 <JohnTHaller> ah
02:25:32 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: Any more thoughts on PAL 2.0.1 from last night?
02:25:57 <ChrisMorgan> And now I should attempt merging Gringoloco's wildcards/XML work on the launcher. I'm surprised by his wildcards stuff, he's done it a lot more thoroughly than I would have and in more sections.
02:26:24 <JohnTHaller> he's a solid coder. plans his stuff out well
02:26:39 <ChrisMorgan> Absolutely.
02:26:47 <ChrisMorgan> Far better than me, especially with testing.
02:27:32 <ChrisMorgan> Not sure about PAL 2.0.1. If you want it, I'll do it. Not sure about what to do with the manual though; all things changed in 2.1 are marked as such, so I could use the latest version of the manual, as it's improved in various ways.
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02:27:53 <ZachThibeau> howdy folks
02:28:00 <ChrisMorgan> Hey ZachThibeau
02:28:01 <JohnTHaller> I got his signed dual copyright assignment, so he's good to contribure
02:28:17 <ChrisMorgan> Yep, I asked him about it and he said he had so I was ready to use it.
02:29:07 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: I'd like to. I can think of several apps that need to have defaults for some variables that should be drive-assigned on first run. And if we can avoid custom code for each of em, that'd be nice (and more in keeping with PAL)
02:30:26 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: I think we should pull NSIS into PAL for the update as well. It eliminates an element of confusion and ensures we know they're on a proper version of NSIS for each PAL release.
02:32:32 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: I
02:32:52 <JohnTHaller> ''m not married to the idea, though. So far, we've had less issues than I expected with reports.
02:33:54 <ChrisMorgan> Actually it can be better with 2.0.1 because I'll remove the UnicodeNSISPortable path and just use NSISPortable. Without that, the only problem report we had wouldn't have happened.
02:34:06 <JohnTHaller> Quite true.
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02:35:00 <JohnTHaller> Actually, if we wait until next week, I can give you a call you can make to the PA.c Updater to automatically download it after prompting the user.
02:35:53 <ChrisMorgan> I was hoping to develop my Development Toolkit fast to try to make a viable option for merging the Installer and Launcher packages (and adding more PAF editing/validation functionality), but it hasn't happened (PAL, Uni) and I can't see it being ready this year. There are enough feature requests for PAL which don't coincide with its (mainly just planned) functionality that I think it's more important.
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02:36:40 <JohnTHaller> Actually, if we wait until next week, I can give you a call you can make to the PA.c Updater to automatically download it after prompting the user.
02:36:58 <ChrisMorgan> Did you see my line about my Development Toolkit?
02:37:09 <JohnTHaller> no
02:37:12 <ChrisMorgan> I was hoping to develop my Development Toolkit fast to try to make a viable option for merging the Installer and Launcher packages (and adding more PAF editing/validation functionality), but it hasn't happened (PAL, Uni) and I can't see it being ready this year. There are enough feature requests for PAL which don't coincide with its (mainly just planned) functionality that I think it's more important.
02:37:49 <JohnTHaller> Not a problem. I think people will develop in pieces anyway. They'
02:37:51 <ChrisMorgan> So far solid PAF validation (including things like the most common problem I've seen recently, where [Control]:Start is wrong so it doesn't run from the Platform) is about all the real functionality I have.
02:38:04 <JohnTHaller> ll create a launcher. Test, tweak, test, tweak. And only when done they do an installer.
02:38:21 <Scriptdaemon> I do just what JohnTHaller said.
02:38:25 <JohnTHaller> I'll add that into PAI 2.0.3
02:40:38 <ChrisMorgan> Oh, and it can also create packages.
02:40:57 <ChrisMorgan> The basic main window UI prototype I made was http://chrismorgan.info/temp/development-toolkit-001.png
02:41:26 <JohnTHaller> Ah. I see where you're going now.
02:41:51 <ChrisMorgan> That screenshot isn't quite correct now, I added a status bar. The "Create a new portable app..." button is fully functional, the others aren't.
02:43:55 <ChrisMorgan> My app validation is currently command-line only, but it'll be easy to put the results into a GUI.
02:44:21 <JohnTHaller> Nice
02:44:48 <JohnTHaller> I mapped out a simple translation assistant for the platform, backup, updater and installer
02:45:00 <ChrisMorgan> NSIS or Delphi or something else?
02:45:25 <JohnTHaller> Delphi. Though it could be done in NSIS (just not quite as pretty)
02:45:35 <ChrisMorgan> NSIS would be very messy.
02:45:47 <ChrisMorgan> Code and probably the resultant UI too.
02:46:07 <JohnTHaller> yes and yes
02:46:14 <ChrisMorgan> That reminds me, I should regenerate my language table in the manual with 2b5, and make sure you've applied all the fixes I said and no more have crept in.
02:46:53 <JohnTHaller> Please do. I'm gonna go through all the lang files tomorrow actually. Converting to UTF8 again.
02:47:22 <ChrisMorgan> There are batch utilities for doing that conversion, which should help
02:47:55 <ZachThibeau> anyways night guys, going to finish some more PChat edits and then I off to bed, I'll be offline probably until monday, my younger sister is getting married on saturday and I'm needed to setup and clean and give up my room to guests
02:48:07 <JohnTHaller> I'm hand tweaking some stuff int the files as I do it, so I gotta open em anyway.
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02:49:01 <ChrisMorgan> K
03:01:32 <ChrisMorgan> Bye, I'm off to a lecture now.
03:01:39 <JohnTHaller> later chris
03:01:42 <sar3th> bye ChrisMorgan
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04:48:05 <sar3th> i noticed a few things when i stepped through the code, but nothing major so far
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14:49:23 <Gringoloco> JohnTHaller: Did you compile InfraRecorderPortable with unicode nsis?
14:50:39 <JohnTHaller> Nope
14:51:25 <Gringoloco> I'm wondering what's up with it ? Just having a look now !
14:58:34 <Gringoloco> The way it deals with the xml-settings is a bit of a hack, the launcher destroys the xml file in rev2 and rev3
15:03:21 <Gringoloco> but somehow the behavior is different of the 2 launchers is different, the xml-file in rev2 just ends-up with a question mark at the start of the file, the xml file in rev3 just looses all its settings
15:04:04 <JohnTHaller> Is the XML file UTF8?
15:04:26 <Gringoloco> FYI, this is just running the launcher, I replaced InfraRecorder.exe with a dummy executable
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15:05:10 <Gringoloco> No it's utf-16, the launcher converts it to ansi, writes it with configWrite, and converts it back
15:05:19 <JohnTHaller> ah right
15:06:09 <Gringoloco> I just finished up this code to easily deal with xml-files, also utf-16 files, will I have ago on it
15:06:18 <JohnTHaller> cool
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17:33:05 <Gringoloco> JohnTHaller: I'm having some additional problems with this new xml-code, and to keep things simple and fast...
17:33:45 <Gringoloco> could you tell me you compiled the script with the unicode.dll plug-in v1.1?
17:34:05 <Gringoloco> That seems to be the difference between rev2 & rev 3
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17:44:24 <Gringoloco> just re-compile with unicode.dll v1.0
17:44:27 <Gringoloco> http://nsis.sourceforge.net/Unicode_plug-in
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17:56:33 <JohnTHaller> Gringoloco: I honestly don't know
17:56:53 <JohnTHaller> Hang on...
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17:58:06 <JohnTHaller> Yes, 1.1. I extracted it out of the launcher to check
18:00:02 <Gringoloco> replace it with 1.0, compile, run and check the Settings.xml
18:01:22 <Gringoloco> all what should be wrong with Settings.xml, is the initial '?', but Infra Recorder does not seem to care about the extra question mark
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18:20:06 <pa_5740> JohnTHaller: Concerning my thread here: http://portableapps.com/node/24347
18:20:17 <pa_5740> JohnTHaller: What are your thoughts on the matter?
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18:38:21 <Pyromaniac> JohnTHaller: http://nsis.sourceforge.net/NSIS-OS_plug-in
18:38:47 <Pyromaniac> does this not work for vista/7
18:39:12 <Pyromaniac> (I dont know if you saw the Google Earth Portable forum, but I need to detect the os
18:39:31 <Pyromaniac> I read the readme's last week when I was working on it and apparently it doesn't
18:39:41 <Pyromaniac> there is also this
18:39:42 <Pyromaniac> http://nsis.sourceforge.net/Version_plug-in
18:40:14 <Pyromaniac> I haven't tried this yet but I want to know if this will work (the readmes weren't of help either)
18:40:34 <Pyromaniac> Do you have any idea JohnTHaller or anyone else?
18:41:53 <pa_5740> Pyromaniac: At present JohnTHaller is away.
18:42:17 <Pyromaniac> aw shoot
18:42:29 <pa_5740> Pyromaniac: Concerning your question, why do you need said thing?
18:42:35 <Pyromaniac> how about Gizmokid2005 or Bensawsome ?
18:42:54 <Bensawsome> o.o
18:42:57 <Pyromaniac> Google Earth Portable doesn't work right on Vista/7
18:43:01 <Bensawsome> wut
18:43:03 <Bensawsome> i dunno
18:43:14 <Pyromaniac> >_<
18:43:15 <Bensawsome> i have a laptop. I have no need for portableapps anymore >_.
18:43:48 <Pyromaniac> as for your question pa_5740 ...
18:43:49 <Gizmokid2005> what are you trying to do Pyromaniac, determine the windows version?
18:43:52 <Pyromaniac> Yes
18:44:01 <Pyromaniac> but they dont seem to go higher than XP
18:44:06 <Gizmokid2005> Some launchers already have the built-in
18:44:10 <Gizmokid2005> and I believe they do
18:44:16 <Gizmokid2005> i can't tell you which launchers offhand, because I don't recall
18:44:26 <Pyromaniac> ok
18:45:12 <Pyromaniac> I'll look through my 94 locally installed portable apps when I get home
18:45:17 <Pyromaniac> thanks
18:45:23 <pa_5740> 94?
18:45:33 <Gizmokid2005> I'm sorry Pyromaniac that I can't be more specific
18:45:39 <Gizmokid2005> I believe one is InfraRecorder though
18:45:43 <Gizmokid2005> almost sure of it.
18:45:57 <pa_5740> That's a lot of apps!
18:46:01 <Pyromaniac> Gizmokid2005: I wasn't trying to be rude (sorry if I sounded like it)
18:46:08 <Pyromaniac> pa_5740: most are from beta forums
18:46:13 <Gizmokid2005> No, I understand Pyromaniac
18:46:21 <Gizmokid2005> pa_5740: i've got 79
18:46:53 <Pyromaniac> I have over 300 total if you include apps from other places, which shall remain nameless
18:47:11 <pa_5740> I don't know how many I have......
18:47:25 <Pyromaniac> I only have 48 Locally installed non-portable apps, 7 of them for testing purposes (for my own portable apps)
18:47:42 <Pyromaniac> my PC cant handle many more >_<
18:47:56 <Pyromaniac> coming soon though, watch out... for Wine Portable
18:48:06 <Pyromaniac> run Portable apps on LInux and Macs
18:48:23 <Pyromaniac> even if they dont have wine!
18:48:28 <pa_5740> That would be interesting........
18:48:49 <Pyromaniac> only problem is that I have no idea how to get started! :P
18:48:58 <pa_5740> Same here!
18:49:16 <pa_5740> I think there's a way you can, but I'm not sure.
18:49:40 <Pyromaniac> plus the school year is starting for me in 13 days, so I won't be able to work on my portable apps (at least not new ones) for a very long time
18:49:45 <pa_5740> Some Ubuntu derviative called SuperOS has support for portable apps.
18:49:52 <pa_5740> If I'm correct.
18:50:25 * Pyromaniac only know batch and NSIS at the moment, and as far as I know, its useless to make Wine Portable
18:50:38 <Pyromaniac> I'm gonna learn Java next year though
18:50:43 <Pyromaniac> or this year
18:50:51 <Pyromaniac> when school starts I mean
18:51:23 <Pyromaniac> stupid macs
18:51:34 <pa_5740> ?
18:51:47 <Pyromaniac> I'm trying to download TORCS to make it portable
18:52:05 <Pyromaniac> and the internet is supposedly blazing fast
18:52:08 <pa_5740> Isn't TORCS already portable?
18:52:14 <pa_5740> One minute.......
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18:52:20 <Pyromaniac> I mean in PAF format
18:53:11 <pa_5740> Ok. But just the same, here's a link that may help:
18:53:13 <pa_5740> http://www.pendriveapps.com/free-car-racing-game-torcs-portable/
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18:53:28 <Pyromaniac> yeah, I saw it there
18:53:48 <Pyromaniac> I almost always run a background check before trying to make an app portable
18:53:58 <Pyromaniac> and I found that
18:54:43 <Pyromaniac> but its not in PAF format (so it can't be an official app on PortableApps.com)
18:55:12 <Pyromaniac> and it doesnt look like the batch file handles to registry, so I need to see if it needs to be handled or not
18:55:17 <Gringoloco> Pyromaniac: I was just working on InfraRecorderP, and it's using WinVer.nsh, it's located in the nsis include dir
18:55:34 <Pyromaniac> shoot, I don;t have that
18:55:49 <pa_5740> How would he get that script?
18:55:54 <Bensawsome> heh Pyromaniac know wut type of laptop i have?
18:56:47 <Pyromaniac> a mac?
18:56:52 <Bensawsome> yep :P
18:57:02 <Bensawsome> macbook pro to be exact. runs all my games great ;D
18:57:14 * Pyromaniac is secretly a psychic
18:57:24 <Bensawsome> haha ya right
18:57:25 <Bensawsome> :P
18:57:26 <Bensawsome> lol
18:57:41 <Gringoloco> usage: ${If} ${IsWin7}
18:57:43 <Pyromaniac> what?! 4.9 kb/sec?!
18:57:55 <pa_5740> ?
18:58:06 <Pyromaniac> It looks like I can;t download it
18:58:11 <pa_5740> what are you downloading it to?
18:58:19 <pa_5740> USB drive or HD?
18:58:19 <Pyromaniac> Gizmokid2005: can you pastebin it?
18:58:29 <Pyromaniac> the source
18:58:33 <Pyromaniac> not the nsh
18:58:42 <Gizmokid2005> of?
18:58:54 <Pyromaniac> so I can see an example
18:59:21 <Pyromaniac> InfraRecorder
18:59:22 <pa_5740> Pyromaniac: What is the thing you want the source of?
18:59:25 <Pyromaniac> launcher
18:59:29 <Pyromaniac> HD
18:59:38 <Pyromaniac> then copy to USB of course
18:59:46 <pa_5740> Pyromaniac: Are you on dial-up?
18:59:57 <Pyromaniac> nope, high speed bradband
19:00:00 <Gringoloco> Pyromaniac: ${If} ${IsWin7}
19:00:03 <Pyromaniac> *broadband
19:00:03 <Gringoloco> ...
19:00:07 <Gringoloco> ${EndIf}
19:00:10 <Pyromaniac> k
19:00:28 <pa_5740> Hmmm.... very curious.
19:00:35 <Pyromaniac> and ${WinVista} and $WinXP} right
19:00:36 <Pyromaniac> ?
19:00:41 <pa_5740> about the speed I mean.
19:00:59 <Pyromaniac> IDK I guess I could check pa_5740
19:01:02 <Gringoloco> ah sorry vista, one sec
19:02:20 <Pyromaniac> ping is .125ms
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19:02:28 <Pyromaniac> still testing download speed
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19:02:56 <Gringoloco> Pyromaniac: have a look in the WinVer.nsh file, it's full of examples
19:03:10 <Pyromaniac> ok
19:03:57 <Gringoloco> Probably: ${If} ${IsWinVista}
19:04:07 <pa_5740> JohnTHaller: Hi, concerning this: http://portableapps.com/node/24347
19:04:12 <Pyromaniac> k thanks
19:04:18 <pa_5740> JohnTHaller: What do you think?
19:05:02 <Pyromaniac> thats not bug, its supposed to be like that
19:05:43 <Gringoloco> Pyromaniac or try:...
19:05:48 <Gringoloco> ${If} ${AtLeastWinVista}
19:06:02 <Pyromaniac> thanks
19:06:04 <pa_5740> But you'd think that instead of showing that page, it would just abort the process, due to the fact that there's no Internet connection detected.
19:06:17 <pa_5740> That's my point with that page.
19:07:17 <Pyromaniac> nevermind, I misread
19:07:28 <pa_5740> No problem.
19:07:49 <Pyromaniac> 2 hours 16 mintutes remaining for InfraRecorder to finish downloading
19:08:15 <pa_5740> Pyromaniac: How long have you had your modem on?
19:08:34 <Pyromaniac> Its not mine, I'm at summer camp
19:08:37 <Pyromaniac> on lunch
19:08:50 <Pyromaniac> 2:33 now
19:08:58 <Pyromaniac> 0.4 KB/sec
19:09:00 <pa_5740> WiFi?
19:09:12 <Pyromaniac> nope, ethernet
19:09:18 <pa_5740> Hmmmm......
19:09:23 <Pyromaniac> I'm using the mac in the lab
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19:09:50 <pa_5740> If you can, you might want to see if you can get the connection turned off.
19:10:03 <Pyromaniac> The only thing I like about Macs is that they are really flashy
19:10:22 <Pyromaniac> they always have the coolest animations and stuff
19:10:38 <pa_5740> If you have the modem off for a bit, and then turn it back on, that might fix the problem.
19:11:13 <Pyromaniac> naw
19:11:18 <Pyromaniac> it always starts fast
19:11:26 <Pyromaniac> about 150 KB/sec
19:11:37 <Pyromaniac> then it goes down every second
19:12:35 <pa_5740> How old is the hardware that's providing the connection?
19:13:13 <Pyromaniac> 3 months
19:13:25 <Pyromaniac> I think its the proxy connectio
19:13:31 <Pyromaniac> *connection
19:13:33 <pa_5740> Ohhhhhh....
19:13:49 <Pyromaniac> I think the district made tit so you can't download anything thats big
19:13:49 <pa_5740> What happens if you do it without proxy?
19:14:01 <Pyromaniac> IDK how to use safari
19:14:09 <Pyromaniac> it doesn't come with ff
19:14:34 <Pyromaniac> I don't know how to turn it off
19:15:09 <pa_5740> The Mac, the connection or the proxy?
19:16:22 <Pyromaniac> I'm using the basic internet connection settings, I changed nothing... In Firefox I know how to configure it to connect to the internet without using a proxy, but I don't know how in safari
19:16:29 <Pyromaniac> the proxy
19:16:51 <pa_5740> Can you install FF to your Mac?
19:16:56 <Pyromaniac> the internet connection I know, just unplug the blue wire
19:17:00 <Pyromaniac> its not mine
19:17:06 <Pyromaniac> and no, I have no admin rights
19:17:22 <Pyromaniac> thats why I think Wine would be very useful
19:17:30 <pa_5740> Ok, that answers the whole thing.
19:17:42 <Pyromaniac> ?
19:17:43 <Pyromaniac> ok
19:18:00 <pa_5740> Sorry, give me a minute to explain......
19:18:43 <pa_5740> Do you have a PC of your own?
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19:19:34 <Pyromaniac> not here
19:19:46 <Pyromaniac> at home I have a 10 year old
19:20:02 <Pyromaniac> and I dont have internet
19:20:35 <pa_5740> as for the explanation, you're basically stuck, since (a) you don't have admin acess, (b) I don't know Safari, so I can't help you there, besides, I'm not sure you could change the proxy settings because you don't have admin access.
19:20:41 <Pyromaniac> x_: what a short name
19:21:01 <pa_5740> conceerning your last comment, is a PC or a laptop?
19:21:19 <pa_5740> Concerning, rather.
19:23:07 <pa_5740> Concerning what I said about the connection earlier, I meant turn off the modem, not just pulling out the ethernet cable.
19:23:38 <pa_5740> It's a little thing called "power-cycling" if I'm correct.
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19:24:48 <pa_5740> .wik Power_cycling
19:24:49 <GizmoBot> "Power cycling is the act of turning a piece of equipment, usually a computer, off and then on again." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_cycling
19:25:10 * Gringoloco wonders how anybody could read the logs, since it's just filled of ordinary conversation
19:25:27 <pa_5740> Uh-oh, did I goof?
19:26:05 <pa_5740> Pyromaniac: Would you care to chat in private?
19:27:33 <Pyromaniac> sure
19:27:37 <pa_5740> Gringoloco: Sorry for being careless
19:27:59 <Pyromaniac> gotta go
19:28:09 <Pyromaniac> lunch is ova
19:28:13 <Pyromaniac> bye!
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19:28:59 <pa_5740> JohnTHaller: Hello?
19:39:08 <sar3th> pa_5740: he's probably busy or away from keyboard
19:40:00 <pa_5740> sar3th: Shucks, and he's the only one I can ask about this at the moment.
19:40:11 <pa_5740> sar3th: Unless you have an idea?
19:40:19 <sar3th> sorry :/
19:40:25 <sar3th> let me quickly readup
19:41:34 <sar3th> pa_5740: this? http://portableapps.com/node/24347
19:41:46 <pa_5740> sar3th: Yes.
19:42:06 <sar3th> it sounds like a bug
19:42:20 <sar3th> i have internet connection discovery problems with a lot of apps, it's quite common
19:42:54 <sar3th> sometimes if you pull the ethernet cable, they tend to stop working at all, even though they are designed to work offline as well (steam played that trick on me countless times)
19:43:13 <pa_5740> sar3th: What I did in that situation was I had the Internet off intentionally.
19:43:47 <pa_5740> My internet connection works fine, but I'd just thought I'd see what would happen.
19:43:48 <sar3th> ok, i will try to reproduce that error
19:43:55 <pa_5740> Okay.
19:44:51 <pa_5740> Although it's not an error, but instead of just aborting the update, it continues on to the next screen.
19:45:12 <sar3th> i blocked the updater using my firewall...
19:45:24 <sar3th> ok, got error message
19:45:30 <sar3th> yup
19:45:35 <sar3th> the updater window shows up
19:45:52 <pa_5740> Yeah, any ideas why?
19:46:04 <sar3th> the error is probably handled wrong
19:46:26 <pa_5740> sar3th: Do you work on the updater?
19:46:39 <sar3th> pa_5740: no, JTH does
19:46:55 <pa_5740> JohnTHaller: Hello?
19:47:32 <sar3th> don't worry pa_5740, he will see the forum topic eventually
19:47:58 <pa_5740> sar3th: Well, it's been 5 days now........
19:48:10 <sar3th> wow :|
19:48:29 <pa_5740> sar3th: Although I do understands his priorities.
19:48:53 <Bensawsome> o wpi;dmt ne suprised if it takes a month for him to see it pa_5740 :/
19:48:57 <Bensawsome> *wouldnt
19:49:03 <Bensawsome> lol major spelling fail their
19:49:15 <pa_5740> wpi?
19:50:18 <sar3th> pa_5740: he meant "i wouldn't be suprised ...."
19:50:39 <pa_5740> Okay.
19:51:15 <sar3th> pa_5740: i left a comment on your forum topic, so people know that it's not only affecting you
19:51:49 <pa_5740> Okay.
19:55:38 <sar3th> added screenshots
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20:00:50 <pa_5740> sar3th: How long will you be here?
20:02:15 <pa_5740> I have to be going, and if you can be here to ask JohnTHaller about this, I'd appreciate it.
20:03:08 <JohnTHaller> back
20:03:12 <pa_5740> yay!
20:03:16 <JohnTHaller> it's a minor bug that'll be fixed in the next release
20:03:24 <pa_5740> JohnTHaller: Okay, great!
20:03:30 <JohnTHaller> It just missed a condition check between showing the next screen and exiting.
20:03:45 <JohnTHaller> It does it properly for silent mode (which isn't triggered yet but will be on platform launch)
20:03:54 <pa_5740> Okay.
20:04:26 <pa_5740> BTW, I'm having trouble with my thread "Media Format Licensing Details".
20:04:54 <pa_5740> I think it's grown out of context, but I don't have a suitable body for the thread.
20:05:04 <pa_5740> Any ideas?
20:05:20 <pa_5740> http://portableapps.com/node/24184
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20:13:41 <Drive-Dude> Hi
20:13:53 <pa_5740> Hi
20:14:06 <pa_5740> What's your question?
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20:15:29 <Drive-Dude> I wante to ask why does it say on the website. From this point forward, we'll be releasing a new beta every week or two until we hit 2.0 final. What's the point. Why just release a beta and waite to the final version
20:16:06 <pa_5740> I guess so people can help beta test.
20:16:25 <pa_5740> I'm just a user, so I'm just speculating.
20:16:46 <Drive-Dude> I did try the beta 5. Did not really like it.
20:16:55 <pa_5740> How come?
20:16:55 <Drive-Dude> I did go back to beta 4
20:17:03 <Drive-Dude> I can waite
20:17:29 <Drive-Dude> It was not really that cool.
20:17:34 <pa_5740> ?
20:17:56 <Drive-Dude> Supprised?
20:18:08 <pa_5740> I mean, how is it not cool?
20:18:28 <Drive-Dude> What did you like about it?
20:18:33 <pa_5740> I didn't mean to look shcoked, I just didn't quite get your point.
20:18:39 <pa_5740> That's all.
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20:18:51 <pa_5740> *shocked
20:19:44 <pa_5740> As for your last question, I haven't used it much, so I can only say I like the theme changer.
20:20:09 <pa_5740> Aside from that, I haven't had any truoble yet, so it's been good for me thus far.
20:20:31 <pa_5740> *trouble
20:21:02 <Drive-Dude> It was looking boring. I did not really care for the themes. I wanted to add my own theme with I did make. But on the beta 5 it only worked half of it
20:21:41 <pa_5740> Well, I don't know anything about making themes, so I can't help you there.
20:22:42 <Drive-Dude> In other words. I did not like beta 5.
20:23:06 <Drive-Dude> Many are saying that it is awesome. But I dont see it
20:23:26 <pa_5740> Well, like I said, I haven't used it much.
20:23:46 <benedikt93> actually, I did expect more, because of the categories that will come in b6 now
20:23:58 <benedikt93> but the updater is really useful
20:24:16 <pa_5740> Although I think the "many" you're referring to are probably looking at more than just the theming part of it.
20:24:30 <pa_5740> No offense.
20:24:43 <Drive-Dude> I understand
20:25:51 <Drive-Dude> But it can not satisfied everybody. Everybody can be the critic
20:26:56 <pa_5740> Well, I must be going now.
20:27:01 <pa_5740> Bye!
20:27:02 <Drive-Dude> bye
20:27:12 <Drive-Dude> Good Night
20:27:17 <Drive-Dude> or Good Day
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