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01:27:26 <pa_7632> Hi, I may have found a rather dangerous bug in Pidgin. Can i give details here?
01:31:27 <gluxon> Sure.
01:32:47 <pa_7632> paste a URL into a Pidgin chat window, then amend the URL and click send. The received message with the URL will be orginal URL
01:33:01 <pa_7632> means the URL can be 'masked'
01:33:16 <pa_7632> the actual real URL can be seen by hovering over the link
01:33:24 <pa_7632> seems a bit dangerous to me....
01:33:43 <pa_7632> I wonder if it's always done that or if it's a 'feature'
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01:43:24 <gluxon> pa_7632: Looks like it's a feature, sorry for the late reply
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01:44:54 <pa_7632> gluxon: ok fair enough. thanks.
01:45:19 <gluxon> BTW, could you give me an example url?
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01:45:48 <pa_7632> yep, one sec.
01:47:21 <pa_7632> gluxon: paste in chat: http://www.example.com:80/hello.html
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01:47:35 <pa_7632> then amend to: http://www.example.org:80/hello.html
01:48:30 <pa_7632> the first URL is the one to be shown to the receiver, but when clicked on, takes you to the amended URL (.org instead of .com)
01:49:37 <Gizmokid2005> pa_5740: it works for me as it should
01:49:45 <pa_7632> The pidgin logs show this: http://www.example.org:80/hello.html (http://www.example.com:80/hello.html)
01:49:52 <Gizmokid2005> I pasted http://www.example.com:80/hello.html, edited it to be http://www.example.org:80/hello.html and it shows the .org
01:49:57 <gluxon> http://www.example.com:80/hello.html
01:50:04 <pa_5740> gluxon: You said in your post on this thread here: http://portableapps.com/node/24347
01:50:08 <pa_5740> gluxon: That I double posted. May I ask where this PortableApps.com Platform Beta 5 topic is?
01:50:22 <pa_5740> gluxon: If you don't mind.
01:50:38 <gluxon> finding it.
01:51:14 <Gizmokid2005> pa_7632: it works like it should for me, the chat window and logs show the correct url (.org)
01:51:34 <Gizmokid2005> pa_7632: are you sure it's not a plugin you're using? What version of pidgin are you using?
01:52:01 <pa_7632> Gizmokid2005: strange that it doesnt work for me. Maybe I'll try a fresh install of pidgin portable.
01:52:20 <Gizmokid2005> pa_7632: sounds good. It works just as it should for me, not one issue here.
01:52:21 <pa_7632> I'm using 2.7.2 Portable
01:52:35 <pa_7632> I dont use any plugins i dont think
01:52:53 <pa_7632> i'll gibe it a go on a fresh install in case i messed something up :)
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01:54:57 <gluxon> pa_5740: I can't find it, perhaps it was a different user. There's 3 pages about Beta 5 with over 3 pages each.
01:56:08 <pa_5740> gluxon: Okay. I was just a bit curious because I don't recall posting anywhere else about this.
01:56:38 <gluxon> Okay, sorry, I know I saw a similar message in one of the topics.
01:56:53 <pa_5740> No problem. :)
01:56:59 <Gizmokid2005> gluxon: he didn't post there: http://portableapps.com/user/150752/track
01:57:05 <Gizmokid2005> use his tracker :)
01:57:30 <pa_5740> Just glad to get this cleared up.
01:57:35 <pa_5740> Bye!
01:57:45 <gluxon> Bye :)
01:57:49 <gluxon> Gizmokid2005: Thanks.
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03:55:16 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: I've been thinking about what you said about triggering the updater to install a new app.
03:55:50 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: Yes?
03:55:51 <ChrisMorgan> I reckon it could be a good thing to have a dependencies system (required and optional) in PAF.
03:56:09 <ChrisMorgan> Then the Platform could manage it, too.
03:56:24 <JohnTHaller> We really only plan on doing it with CommonFiles. Java to start. That's why it's in the appinfo.ini so the platform can handle it
03:56:25 <ChrisMorgan> More importantly though, can you install Java Portable with the updater?
03:56:34 <JohnTHaller> Not yet, but shortly
03:57:08 <ChrisMorgan> Currently I think PAL isn't very friendly with [Activate]:Java=require. Can't really remember very well...
03:57:56 <JohnTHaller> The platform will be friendlier. And really only technical folks will use the apps sans platform
04:02:06 <JohnTHaller> btw - did you get my email about opera?
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04:04:49 <Scriptdaemon> Good evening all.
04:05:07 <ChrisMorgan> Yes I did, that's what I need to look at now. I didn't have time last night.
04:05:55 <JohnTHaller> hi Scriptdaemon
04:05:55 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: nevertheless it's best to make the Launcher as friendly as possible.
04:06:02 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: true
04:06:24 <JohnTHaller> I'm currently finishing up AppCompactor 2.0 so everyong else will be on the latest UPX and 7z as well
04:06:42 <JohnTHaller> I incorporated hea's changes so it's now all in-window
04:06:49 <ChrisMorgan> Well, I've got Gringoloco's wildcard support in, and XML support sorted and ready for commit - launcher.ini, [Activate]:XML, a compile time flag, adds 60KB to the launcher
04:07:05 <JohnTHaller> not a bad price to pay
04:07:39 <ChrisMorgan> I'm thinking I'll make [Activate]:Registry a compile time thing too.
04:08:00 <ChrisMorgan> I wondered about whether it should be Custom.nsh, !define XML_ENABLED, or [Activate]:XML, and [Activate]:XML won.
04:08:32 <JohnTHaller> We don't need to set any of those on in the INI do we?
04:09:13 <ChrisMorgan> For what?
04:09:39 <ChrisMorgan> I'm making the XML features so that it needs to be compiled in.
04:10:07 <JohnTHaller> Do we need to manually turn on the registry plugin in appinfo.ini. Won't that cause issues for existing apps where devs forget?
04:11:02 <ChrisMorgan> launcher.ini. I'm thinking with it I'll make [Activate]:Registry more automatic so that the Generator will check to see if the features are used.
04:11:38 <JohnTHaller> Don't bother. It's only 26KB (uncompressed, less compressed).
04:11:51 <JohnTHaller> And we use it in a good chunk of apps.
04:12:06 <JohnTHaller> Maybe add a feature to DISABLE it if a dev wants to and doesn't need itr.
04:12:29 <ChrisMorgan> Looking over the current implementation of [Activate]:Registry, it's a bit strange. It's always included, it's purely whether it's /used/ or not.
04:12:52 <JohnTHaller> Do you do error checking if they ask for a feature in launcher.ini but didn't compile it in with activate?
04:13:37 <ChrisMorgan> Personally I've been thinking it might be better to head back towards static rather than dynamic, compile based on the current status of launcher.ini. But not yet, whatever.
04:14:29 <ChrisMorgan> XML support is with [FileWriteN] and [LanguageFile]. Currently I think it'll just silently fail; I can put in an !else to also guzzle them and spit out an error message "You didn't activate XML!"
04:15:06 <JohnTHaller> That's all you need, really. "XML was not activated when this launcher was compiled. Please regenerate it using the PortableApps.com Launcher utility"
04:21:59 <ChrisMorgan> Yep.
04:23:41 <JohnTHaller> I'm debating hea's additions to appinfo.ini that will direct appcompactor what to compress and what not to. Any thoughts? Currently, it's an additional section added to the end called [PortableApps.comAppcompactor]
04:24:04 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: Opera, Portable Edition works while Opera is running but not while it itself is running? Is that correct?
04:24:06 <JohnTHaller> WIth options: AdditionalExtensionsExcluded= AdditionalExtensionsIncluded= FilesExcluded=
04:24:25 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: correct
04:25:03 <ChrisMorgan> In [Language], only one of Default and {DefaultIfNotExists+CheckIfExists} should be used. Deleting Default=en.
04:25:14 <JohnTHaller> Ah ok
04:26:09 <ChrisMorgan> Default is for use in conjunction with the [LanguageStrings] section. If a value doesn't exist in there, it uses Default,.
04:26:30 <JohnTHaller> Ah ok
04:26:45 <JohnTHaller> I probably shouldn't have been working on it after midnight again, heh
04:27:03 <ChrisMorgan> What happens if you do a secondary launch of Opera, Portable Edition, if SinglePortableAppInstance is not set?
04:27:19 <ChrisMorgan> I'd also delete [Launch]:WaitFor(Program|OtherInstances) as they're at the default value.
04:27:33 <JohnTHaller> I don't know, actually. Try it
04:29:24 <ChrisMorgan> FYI, if you want to get debug messages without going sllloooowwwwlly through them, there's an option to not put up message boxes, then it'll just write to Data\debug.log.
04:30:17 <JohnTHaller> I didn't see that
04:30:52 <ChrisMorgan> http://portableapps.com/manuals/PortableApps.comLauncher/advanced/debug/ - DEBUG_OUTPUT
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04:31:31 <ChrisMorgan> That layout... they're all going the same way.
04:32:02 <Mir_> grrrr
04:32:03 <Mir_> verizon was like OMFG HE HAS STARCRAFT OH NOEZ LETS CUT HIM OFF FROM TEH INTERWEBZ LOLOLOL
04:33:13 <JohnTHaller> nice, ChrisMorgan. I need to rtm more
04:33:53 <Mir_> hey john
04:33:58 <JohnTHaller> hi
04:34:20 <Mir_> i have a rare question for you
04:34:32 <Mir_> rare because i dont usualy ask you things
04:35:14 <Mir_> what is going on with the PA.c version of opera. this past week i have seen 3 postings for a portable opera and this year there have been at minimum 15 requests
04:35:59 <Mir_> i am curious seeing as there already IS a portable Opera there really is no need for PA.c to create one
04:36:10 <Mir_> i just want to know your opinion on the issue
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04:38:20 <JohnTHaller> There are actually 2 versions of Opera that are portable. One is Opera@USB. This is the main one. All it is is Opera copied out of Program Files with one setting in one INI file changed from a 1 to a 0. It's not fully portable as settings like download directory, saved directory and anything else is full paths and breaks as you move PCs.
04:39:30 <JohnTHaller> Both I and Opera contacted the author about doing it in PAF and received no response. I would have just given him the code to use. So, we're doing out own.
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04:40:44 <JohnTHaller> Unlike the others, it will be fully portable. It will include all languages and a multilingual installer which sets Opera for the appropriate language. It will support language switching with the platform, backup, etc, as well as the upcoming reinstall and reset app features in the platform.
04:41:18 <ChrisMorgan> Erk. I /really/ don't like the Opera UI.
04:42:14 <JohnTHaller> Chrome and Firefox are copying it... so get used to it.
04:42:36 <ChrisMorgan> I was meaning more the usability. Or lack of, in my opinion.
04:42:54 <ChrisMorgan> Secondary launch of Opera, Portable Edition just opens a new tab in the first one. Good.
04:43:30 <ChrisMorgan> And I guess it'll do that for a non-portable version too, so how about we remove SinglePortableAppInstance, and SingleAppInstance as well?
04:43:43 <JohnTHaller> Yup
04:44:05 <JohnTHaller> You tried language switching after removing the Default
04:44:15 <JohnTHaller> Mir_: Does all that answer your question?
04:44:23 <ChrisMorgan> No, I haven't yet.
04:45:02 <ChrisMorgan> I'm not enthusiastic about this operaprefs.ini [Network] HTTP Accept Language write. The user should be able to change that string, I think, then it'd lose their preferred language selection.
04:45:24 <ChrisMorgan> I mean, it's a good idea, but maybe a bit risky.
04:45:25 <JohnTHaller> We have to for now. Or do a lot of custom code. Otherwise they wind up with the wrong pages.
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04:46:30 <JohnTHaller> Is there any way to tell in custom code if the language changed (ie, it was one thing in the INI and then the platform changed it)? Then if it did, I could write it out there manually
04:46:31 <ChrisMorgan> Ideally, I think you'd save it to another file (or another value in that same file), and then compare the two before writing.
04:46:42 <ChrisMorgan> No.
04:47:23 <JohnTHaller> Any way we can get a single global variable to say whether there was a change?
04:48:40 <ChrisMorgan> I'm planning on refactoring the segments so that they're easier to trigger from custom code, but I haven't yet. Something like so you could simulate the [FileWrite4] section with `${FileWrite.INI} %PAL:DataDir%\profile\operaprefs.ini Network "HTTP Accept Language" %PAL:LanguageCustom%,en-US;q=0.9,en;q=0.8`
04:48:54 <ChrisMorgan> Not really.
04:49:59 <JohnTHaller> Yeah. That's a good idea for later. But how about for now, we add in a global variable just to say "Hey, the platform changed the language". That way we can check it in custom code and do anything else that needs advanced tidbits. I'm thinking this will affect all browsers that are multilingual, honestly.
04:50:39 <ChrisMorgan> Lemmesee.
04:54:41 <ChrisMorgan> I think this custom code would do you in place of [FileWrite4]: http://portableapps.pastebin.com/25iYfRbU
04:55:13 <ChrisMorgan> Actually that won't deal with first run.
04:55:53 <JohnTHaller> Though an If FileExists on there
04:56:03 <ChrisMorgan> Actually it will, because operaprefs.ini doesn't contain [Network] at first run.
04:57:07 <ChrisMorgan> That DefaultData seems fairly complete. Does it need to be so much so?
04:58:13 <JohnTHaller> Yes
04:58:21 <JohnTHaller> That is the bare minimum
04:58:29 <JohnTHaller> Take away more and it causes issues.
05:02:33 <ChrisMorgan> "The fastest browser on Earth." Bah. Fullscreen, Chrome is smooth with http://upsidedownturtle.com/boredboredbored/ while Opera, covering under a third of the screen size is quite hesitant...
05:02:56 <Scriptdaemon> They all say essentially that same thing.
05:02:56 <ChrisMorgan> Anyway, I should regenerate the launcher sans-debug so that it actually launches in a reasonable time.
05:05:33 <ChrisMorgan> Ah yes, debug stuff is Other\Source\PortableApps.comLauncherDebug.nsh for 2.0... forgot that briefly and looked in App\AppInfo\Launcher\Debug.nsh :P
05:05:49 <JohnTHaller> heh
05:06:47 <Mir_> yes it did
05:06:49 <Mir_> thxs
05:07:50 <JohnTHaller> Sure thing. Any other questions or suggestions on it?
05:09:26 <JohnTHaller> PA.c AppCompactore 2.0 PR1 and proposed PA.c Format addition: http://portableapps.com/node/24417
05:10:29 <ChrisMorgan> Deleting Default=en makes language switching work.
05:11:49 <JohnTHaller> Nice. I think that's the 2nd or 3rd time I messed up that setting.
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05:18:31 <ChrisMorgan> In appinfo.ini I think [PortableApps.comAppCompactor] sounds bulky. You have [Format], et cetera, [AppCompactor] would be better for the section, I think.
05:19:19 <JohnTHaller> I was debating that myself. Was thinking Compaction or something.
05:23:05 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: I added the Opera changes and lang switching is working. Your custom segment seems to be working properly, too
05:23:38 <ChrisMorgan> I was wondering that too. But rather Compacting or Compression or Compress.
05:23:44 <ChrisMorgan> Good :-)
05:24:19 <ChrisMorgan> So [Launch] has just ProgramExecutable, and [Language] has Base CheckIfExists and DefaultIfNotExists (preferably in that order)
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05:26:40 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: correct
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05:30:36 <ChrisMorgan> Good.
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05:51:13 <Gringoloco> JohnTHaller: How did you get on with InfraRecorderP ?
05:51:30 <JohnTHaller> I haven't touched it yet
05:51:47 <JohnTHaller> Did you do any additional XML plugin work on it?
05:52:06 <JohnTHaller> wait, Gringoloco, were you gonna email me some work on it?
05:53:17 <Gringoloco> I ran into some additinal issues with the xml handling, so I thought to make things fast, you'd better just change the unicode.dll to version 1.0
05:54:00 <JohnTHaller> yeah, but then i'll switch it back and forget for the next release :-P
05:55:07 <Gringoloco> I won't forget, but I think you want to fix the problem solid and fast
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06:03:28 <Gringoloco> Ok, for now I'll work on it, but do not really have much time these days, I can only work on the computer if my girl-friend isn't here !
06:03:43 <JohnTHaller> hehe
06:03:54 <JohnTHaller> don't worry, I'll post it with the old unicode plugin tomorrow
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09:33:20 <Gringoloco> Spam: http://portableapps.com/node/24418, isn't it just that rude
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11:45:02 <ChrisMorgan> Gringoloco: I've got the XML features so that (a) it uses [Activate]:XML in the Generator, and (b) if you try to use Type=XML attribute or Type=XML text when XML isn't enabled, it'll warn the developer with a message box.
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11:46:12 <ChrisMorgan> So that way it doesn't just silently fail for what has become invalid input.
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11:51:09 <ChrisMorgan> Gringoloco: XML functionality committed. Now for the documentation.
11:51:45 <Gringoloco> I found some problems with the utf-16 xml files :-(
11:53:03 <Gringoloco> I'm testing it on InfraRecorderP these days, some how it doesn't like repetitive re-encoding
11:53:52 <Gringoloco> getting system crashes ! I wish I found that issue before :-(
11:56:44 <sar3th> forgive me for this uninformed question, but why is it necessary to repetitive re-encode the xml files instead of leaving their format intact?
11:58:20 <Gringoloco> The script I made for PAL, loads the xml file, writes a setting and saves the xml file again, just like WriteINIStr does or ConfigWrite...
11:59:47 <Gringoloco> Just for utf-16 files, it needs to re-encode it to utf-8, then write a setting, and convert it back to utf-16...
12:00:37 <Gringoloco> for every new setting it needs to do that, it's the only way I could think of for PAL, and shouldn't really be a big issue
12:03:20 <ChrisMorgan> So what do you reckon needs to happen?
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12:05:01 <Gringoloco> It's all guessing, I really should investigate more before I could tell you anything more, just haven't got that much time the coming days
12:10:20 <Gringoloco> Ah, my girl-friend is out the whole day tomorrow, so I will have a look at it tomorrow and let you know
12:11:08 <ChrisMorgan> Take your time, it's all up to you. I committed the XML stuff too.
12:11:47 <ChrisMorgan> In that and the wildcard stuff there are a few minor modifications from what you first gave me, feel free to go over them and make sure it's all good.
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12:12:39 <Gringoloco> I will
12:14:39 <Gringoloco> ChrisMorgan: There is something, I'm al not that sure about the name or version number of this new TextFunc.nsh...
12:14:55 <ChrisMorgan> Ah yes, I haven't put that in yet.
12:15:48 <Gringoloco> I just put the version number up to 2.5, but I'm not sure I should have done that as it's not official
12:15:57 <ChrisMorgan> Sounds fine to me.
12:16:30 <Gringoloco> So and what if they release TextFunc.nsh 2.5
12:16:34 <Gringoloco> ?
12:18:17 <ChrisMorgan> I doubt they will. Other than yours.
12:18:27 <ChrisMorgan> Submit it upstream for inclusion or at least merging.
12:18:45 <ChrisMorgan> Possibly 2.4+Unicode if you want to make sure you're OK?
12:19:02 <ChrisMorgan> Seriously though, I don't think anyone really looks at the version numbers...
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12:20:52 <Gringoloco> I'm not feeling taken very seriously in the Nsis forum, i'm not getting any repsonse when I ask if they are interested in the plug-ins I recompiled
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12:23:49 <Gringoloco> ChrisMorgan: do you have any influence on including armenian language for NsisPortable, HrantOhanyan is really trying everything to get it included
12:24:11 <ChrisMorgan> Not really.
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12:28:22 <ChrisMorgan> OK, I'm off to bed now. My parents and four younger siblings are off to India for three months tomorrow morning.
12:28:53 <ChrisMorgan> FYI, what I'm implementing now in PAL is more rigorous value checking, so that incorrect values don't just silently fail but put up a message box.
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12:31:22 <Gringoloco> ChrisMorgan: good night
12:31:48 <ChrisMorgan> Thanks for your help with PAL. I'll need to put a big mention in the 2.1 release notes that the PAL development team is now two people :-)
12:32:34 <Gringoloco> small, would be good enough :-)
12:32:35 <ChrisMorgan> It's very nice having (a) large scale adoption with most developers and (b) help with the development
12:32:55 <ChrisMorgan> It's got to be at least a subheading "New member of the development team"
12:32:57 <ChrisMorgan> G'nite
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15:34:34 <pa_8479> hello chat room
15:35:40 <pa_8479> I am needing a little help into findind a fix for the suite standard 1.6.1, keep getting nsis error, tried the ncrc fix and no luck there
15:36:39 <pa_8479> the comp system is a windows xp, sp3, everything clean and all cache cleaned as well
15:38:49 <pa_8479> I will check the faq and other places again
15:38:53 <pa_8479> bye!
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17:03:14 <Pyromaniac_> hi!
17:04:10 <Pyromaniac_> hi GizmoBot !
17:04:10 <GizmoBot> Hello Pyromaniac_!
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18:23:43 <Pyromaniac_> hi rouilj1 !
18:24:51 <JohnTHaller> AppCompactor 2.0 Pre-Release 2. Added in full progress bar handling. Please report back on test results: http://portableapps.com/node/24417
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18:26:05 <Gizmokid2005> Hello JohnTHaller!
18:26:10 <JohnTHaller> Hola
18:26:10 <Gizmokid2005> I have some...info? for you
18:26:30 <Gizmokid2005> I had emailed the "portable" email address for tightvnc, and finally got a reply back
18:26:37 <JohnTHaller> oh yeah?
18:26:38 <Gizmokid2005> TightVNC Portable Edition is a commercial product, so we do not provide
18:26:38 <Gizmokid2005> information helping others to make its free clones, sorry.
18:26:38 <Gizmokid2005> >From the other side, we plan to release the loader under the GPL in the
18:26:38 <Gizmokid2005> near future, and also we have plans to release a PortableApps.com
18:26:38 <Gizmokid2005> version as well.
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18:26:54 <Gizmokid2005> grrrr...that was supposed to paste in two lines...sorry
18:26:56 <JohnTHaller> Good to know. It would be nice to get em listed
18:27:21 <Gizmokid2005> I replied asking for a timeframe. If they don't have one, or if it'll be a while I'll get one up so we have something listed and working.
18:28:59 <JohnTHaller> cool
18:29:56 <JohnTHaller> Let em know they can probably ditch U3 soon, too. Since it's been discontinued and all support dropped/.
18:30:19 <Pyromaniac_> hey JohnTHaller are you gonna make a new splash screen with the sexy logo for the dev tests?
18:30:55 <JohnTHaller> at some point probably
18:31:05 * Pyromaniac_ can't wait
18:31:32 <Gizmokid2005> will do JohnTHaller.
18:32:25 * JohnTHaller likes using the new appcompactor with no commandline window
18:33:36 <Gizmokid2005> I can't say I've actually used it JohnTHaller. when I tried to compact KVIrc it went haywire, and iirc songbird did too...hah
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18:33:46 <GizmoBot> computerfreaker is working on KidSafe and Iron Portable, and would very much like to have folks test them and give feedback.
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18:34:20 <computerfreaker> Hey JohnTHaller, how much does a software developer have to be on-board with PortableApps to get their app fast-tracked to official release here?
18:35:54 <JohnTHaller> If they're gonna be promoting it on their own site to their own users. Bonus points for it being a larger userbase and for it being something we don't have in the directory yet.
18:36:04 <computerfreaker> ok, thanks
18:36:23 * computerfreaker is talking to a couple of software publishers who are fairly excited about getting listed on PortableApps
18:36:42 <JohnTHaller> Cool. Quality stuff?
18:36:48 <M4T1A5> nice
18:36:50 <computerfreaker> yeah, I think so.
18:37:11 <computerfreaker> System Explorer, Windows Error Lookup Tool, and (probably) Scriptly
18:37:33 <computerfreaker> I'm also going to talk to the Iron developers and see about getting their portable build replaced with a PAF version; ditto for Process Hacker.
18:38:02 <JohnTHaller> Sounds good. Thanks man
18:38:06 <M4T1A5> we already have google chrome portable
18:38:16 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, but some people prefer Iron
18:38:18 <computerfreaker> JohnTHaller: happy to :)
18:38:19 <M4T1A5> well yeah
18:38:32 <computerfreaker> M4T1A5: a lot of people prefer Iron because #1 it's open-source and #2 all the Google tracking stuff is gone
18:38:34 <JohnTHaller> Iron has no unique identifier, doesn't send all characters of all typed urls to google and is 100% open source
18:38:45 <M4T1A5> chromium is open source too
18:38:59 <computerfreaker> I also have a feeling the Iron devs will be happier to add the APIs addons like NoScript need
18:39:13 <JohnTHaller> Except chromium has no stable, alpha or beta releases. It's not an independent open source project. It's just the backstage of Chrome.
18:39:33 <M4T1A5> well yeah
18:41:47 <computerfreaker> JohnTHaller: any chance we can get Pre-Release status for Iron Portable? It's already been around for 6 months, and it's rock-solid. The base app is solid and nobody's reported any problems with the portable version.
18:41:48 <M4T1A5> does iron support chrome extensions?
18:41:56 <computerfreaker> M4T1A5: yep
18:42:07 <JohnTHaller> computerfreaker: I'd like to get them on board first if possible.
18:42:16 <M4T1A5> cool
18:42:29 <computerfreaker> JohnTHaller: ok, I'm actually working on an e-mail to them right now.
18:43:30 <computerfreaker> System Explorer Portable should also be good to go Pre-Release, and the devs are definitely on-board.
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18:44:14 <JohnTHaller> Cool. When we have devs really excited about it with an existing solid app and a decent userbase, we're gonna make a point to make a splash when releasing.
18:45:04 <computerfreaker> System Explorer has a pretty good userbase - it's got a popularity score of nearly 3,000 on PortableFreeware.com ( http://www.portablefreeware.com/index.php?id=1491 )
18:45:27 <computerfreaker> and the base app is solid, as far as I can tell, although it doesn't support Unicode.
18:45:30 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: that's how DamnVid's dev is.
18:45:39 <Gizmokid2005> I just gotta get a PR up since we're pushing 100 dls of the DT
18:45:41 <Gizmokid2005> and not one issue
18:46:01 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, I'm thinking I may release a new app or two next week even though the new app directory isn't quite done.
18:46:06 <JohnTHaller> We have apps that deserve releases
18:47:07 <sar3th> computerfreaker: looking forward to precesshacker :) i love that app
18:47:12 <M4T1A5> i like process explorer
18:47:15 <computerfreaker> sar3th: thanks, me too :)
18:47:37 <computerfreaker> the only problem with Process Hacker is its driver, which should be taken care of by a PAL update in the near future.
18:47:51 <JohnTHaller> what's the issue?
18:47:52 <sar3th> yes, apart from that, it needs updates
18:48:04 <sar3th> erm, i meant admin rights
18:48:20 <computerfreaker> JohnTHaller: Process Hacker uses a kernel-level driver for some of its advanced abilities, which leaves some Registry stuff.
18:48:41 <computerfreaker> sar3th: AFAIK, it doesn't need admin rights except to load the driver.
18:48:45 <JohnTHaller> Ah. Can that be disabled for now? Or cleaned up with custom code?
18:49:17 <computerfreaker> yeah, it can be disabled, but that takes a *lot* of PH's advanced functions - one user on PortableFreeware.com described the driver as "putting the hacker in Process Hacker"
18:49:33 <computerfreaker> and I'm not sure how to deal with that using custom code, or I'd have done that already.
18:50:51 <JohnTHaller> well, the app adds the drive itself while running, right? Does it remove it?
18:51:20 <computerfreaker> I believe so, but some stuff still stays behind in the Registry.
18:52:03 <computerfreaker> http://www.portablefreeware.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=6608 has all the details
18:52:18 <JohnTHaller> yeah, you can clean that up with custom code then.
18:53:17 <M4T1A5> oh vlc update
18:53:29 <JohnTHaller> Yup
18:53:33 <M4T1A5> now wheres my usb drive....
18:55:23 <M4T1A5> gotta say the updater is so handy
18:55:46 <M4T1A5> btw any news on beta 6?
18:55:51 <M4T1A5> or final?
18:56:05 <computerfreaker> JohnTHaller: any pointers on using custom code for that driver? Should I just backup & restore those Registry keys?
18:57:14 <JohnTHaller> That should be good enough computerfreaker
18:57:37 <JohnTHaller> M4T1A5: Glad you like it. Still making some changes for beta 6. Should drop early next week-ish.
18:57:43 <M4T1A5> cool
18:58:05 <JohnTHaller> Doing another installer relese with a few tweaks to better work with the updater too
18:58:18 <M4T1A5> well great
18:58:36 <computerfreaker> JohnTHaller: thanks, I'll drop another DT with that temporary fix in a day or two.
18:58:51 <computerfreaker> e-mail to Iron sent, now I just need to wait.
18:59:32 <M4T1A5> hmm my school starts on 9.8(8.9 american calendar) so i would love to get the beta 6 by then
19:00:36 <M4T1A5> of course if it can't be dome them it can't be dome
19:00:38 <M4T1A5> *done
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19:36:32 <pa_5740> JohnTHaller: Concerning suggestions for apps, how about CPU-Z & GPU-Z?
19:38:57 <computerfreaker> pa_5740: I'll take them on, give me a day or two though
19:40:27 <pa_5740> Okay, I know that they are already portable, but I thought maybe putting them on portableapps.com might not be a bad idea.
19:40:47 <computerfreaker> GPU-Z is actually not portable - it writes settings to the Registry.
19:41:04 <pa_5740> Oh.
19:41:13 <pa_5740> Didn't know that one.
19:41:55 <computerfreaker> http://www.portablefreeware.com/index.php?id=1417 is where I got that info from; it could be wrong, but info on PortableFreeware is usually right.
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19:42:42 <computerfreaker> Anyway, I'll be happy to take those, but I'm busy right now so it'll probably take a day or two. Is that OK?
19:43:07 <pa_5740> No problem, I'm just making a suggestion.
19:43:58 <pa_5740> Although do make sure you ask for permission before you portablize them. :)
19:44:56 <computerfreaker> yeah, I always make sure I'm working with an OSS app or one I've got permission to work with. Software publishers are usually happy to oblige because it gets them more publicity.
19:45:21 <computerfreaker> I'm taking a closer look at those two apps right now; they do require admin rights, but should be pretty easy to work with other than that.
19:45:27 <pa_5740> OK, I hope I wasn't offensive in saying that.
19:46:24 <computerfreaker> nah, you're fine. I appreciate the reminder to get permission, since I sometimes forget I'm working with freeware apps instead of OSS.
19:47:57 <pa_5740> OK. Also, concerning PortableApps.com suite 2.0 Beta 5, with the corners being pink, couldn't you just edit those parts out?
19:48:34 <pa_5740> I should have mentioned that it was the themes I was talking about. Sorry.
19:50:25 <computerfreaker> pa_5740: JohnTHaller is the one to talk to about that, since he's the one working on the Platform. I'm not familiar with the Platform's code, sorry.
19:50:33 <pa_5740> Okay.
19:50:55 <pa_5740> JohnTHaller: Could you comment on my question? ^_^
19:51:57 <computerfreaker> pa_5740: Just so you know, he may be away right now. People frequently stay logged into IRC even when they're not at their keyboards.
19:52:11 <pa_5740> One minute please.
19:52:40 <JohnTHaller> Just got back...
19:53:43 <JohnTHaller> pa_5740: The corners being pink is a bug when Aero is not enabled. It'll be fixed in Beta 6. The pink is magenta and configured as the "magic color" which is supposed to be transparent.
19:53:58 <JohnTHaller> Unfortunately, our use of alpha PNGs is interfering with it. But I have a fix already working that will be posted in B6
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20:02:04 <pa_5740> JohnTHaller: Okay, I was just asking because I thought that one could just clip the pink edges off.
20:03:16 <JohnTHaller> They are supposed to be. That's what the pink actually is in Windows. But because there is an alpha PNG present, Windows standard theming engine doesn't properly see it (though Aero does)
20:04:14 <pa_5740> Okay. Since I'm in the mood for making suggestions, how about a linux filesystem explorer?
20:04:16 <pa_5740> http://www.diskinternals.com/linux-reader/
20:04:57 <JohnTHaller> must run... appt in the city. later all
20:05:19 <pa_5740> JohnTHaller: Bye!
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20:06:34 <pa_5740> computerfreaker: If not that program: http://www.chrysocome.net/explore2fs
20:11:34 <pa_5740> Must be going now. Bye!
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20:14:43 <computerfreaker> pa_5740: looks interesting, I'll see what I can do
20:14:51 <computerfreaker> shoot, too late :/
20:16:46 <kai_kracker> Is it ok if I start to develop this again? http://portableapps.com/node/11905 The person that was developing it seems to not be doing so anymore
20:18:03 <sar3th> leave a comment and ask the developer of the portable version
20:18:41 <kai_kracker> Oh wait... searching the forums I see someone is already developing the new version... oh well
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20:32:12 <pa_5740> computerfreaker: Okay. :)
20:32:39 <pa_5740> computerfreaker: May I PM you about something?
20:34:00 <pa_5740> computerfreaker: Or as I should put it, may I query you?
20:36:41 <pa_5740> Never mind.
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20:39:35 <computerfreaker> pa_5740: feel free to message me at any time.
20:39:56 <computerfreaker> As you've seen, I'm frequently AFK, but I do reply when I'm able.
20:40:03 <marlop> too late
20:40:15 <marlop> he is gone
20:40:39 <computerfreaker> I know, but he apparently looked at the logs earlier, and I'll wager he does again.
20:40:52 <marlop> ok
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21:49:33 <GizmoBot> computerfreaker is working on KidSafe and Iron Portable, and would very much like to have folks test them and give feedback.
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22:05:27 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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23:43:43 <d-tech> can portableapp'Z' bugs be reported here?
23:44:19 <gluxon> d-tech: no.
23:44:48 <gluxon> Even if you do, they won't be fixed, none of us have any connection with them.
23:44:56 <d-tech> oic
23:44:59 <gluxon> Meaning they'll never get passed to them.
23:45:41 <d-tech> Are you aware of the proper channel to do so?
23:45:56 <d-tech> or method of doing so
23:54:44 <gluxon> No, the owner of the site works alone, and leaves no contact information.
23:55:19 <gluxon> d-tech: In case you aren't aware, the reason for leaving no contact is because the software he's posting is illegally modified and he knows.
23:55:37 <gluxon> We're in no way connected with him.
23:55:39 <gluxon> Thanks :)
23:59:06 <d-tech> thanks for the info ... in case anyone here is interested ... the WB 10.2 release has got a serious bug which corrupts your file when Search&Replace is used to "replace all"