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00:32:52 <evil-genius> Hmm
00:32:55 <evil-genius> I need help
00:33:13 <TimClark> What is your problem ?
00:33:18 <evil-genius> I'm unable to install the java app, because the firewall/proxy I'm behind of
00:33:38 <evil-genius> So the installer doesn't complete downloading Java
00:34:00 <evil-genius> Only if I knew where its getting the java binaries from, I could download it manually
00:34:09 <TimClark> Since it's a "live" installer it needs to get access to the net, can you use another computer
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00:35:00 <evil-genius> TimClark: I wish, but I can't, this is the only computer I have access to
00:35:04 <TimClark> I think it is getting the binaries from the officical Java site
00:35:18 <evil-genius> hmmm :/
00:35:29 <TimClark> In fact, I would bet on it
00:35:43 * evil-genius checks Java site
00:36:11 <TimClark> Now, the question is, once you get them, what do you do with them ?
00:36:21 <evil-genius> Well
00:36:49 <TimClark> And that I am not qualified to help you with unfortunately
00:36:52 <evil-genius> I had to do the same with CHrome --- Just extract the binaries to Chrome-bin --- I expect I would have to do the same ---
00:36:59 <evil-genius> hmmm :/
00:37:27 <evil-genius> The problem is, I wish, is how the installer is implemented
00:37:29 <TimClark> Sounds good, but as I said, I would not be able to help you with that, I don't know what files go where
00:37:33 <evil-genius> It uses IE proxy settings
00:37:56 <evil-genius> If I could specify my own proxy settings that would be good, I was told here that, that was impossible so
00:38:06 <evil-genius> yeah :/
00:38:39 <TimClark> Anyone else who know how you could setup the binaies for Java after a download from the site feel free to jump in here
00:39:41 <evil-genius> I tried to freecap it but, it insists to try to connect to the proxy through my tunnel --- sigh ---
00:39:50 <TimClark> It SEEMS everyone else is a way
00:39:53 <Gizmokid2005> evil-genius: you're referring to Java Portable?
00:39:58 <evil-genius> Yes
00:40:58 <Gizmokid2005> the only thing I can suggest evil-genius, is pull the source of Java Portable and see if there is an installer.ini file in the AppInfo folder
00:41:08 <Gizmokid2005> that should tell you, but I'm not sure if it's compiled with it...it's at least worth a shot though.
00:41:32 <TimClark> Of course we hope you don't want to use this for evil purposes :P
00:41:42 <TimClark> But Gizmokid2005 idea makes sense
00:41:44 <evil-genius> Heeh
00:42:36 <TimClark> You could then try putting the files where the JavaP installer EXPECTS to find them
00:44:24 <evil-genius> Well, the installer practially do the same, download java from them :/ --- I'm checking y'all site, and I found the source for the default installer but not the source for java installer
00:50:47 <TimClark> Look for the source here : ...\JavaPortable\Other\Source if that exists when you install the app
00:53:43 <TimClark> Stupid question, are you an Admin on the machine, or can you get to the/an Admin ?
00:54:02 <Gizmokid2005> evil-genius: http://javadl.sun.com/webapps/download/AutoDL?BundleId=40916
00:54:04 <Gizmokid2005> that is the DL you want
00:54:23 <TimClark> Perhaps a temporary exception can be mad in the firewall, just a thought
00:54:26 <Gizmokid2005> you can find that in the X:\PortableApps\CommonFiles\Java\Other\Source\plugininstaller.ini
00:54:49 <Gizmokid2005> evil-genius: it should download this file: jre-6u21-windows-i586-s.exe
00:54:52 <evil-genius> Yeah downladed
00:54:55 <evil-genius> it
00:56:06 <TimClark> So it would seem that the problem is the JavaP app that is being blocked by the firewall, can you make an exception, or turn it off for a little while
00:56:20 <Gizmokid2005> evil-genius: you need to open the installer with 7zip
00:56:21 <Gizmokid2005> or simliar
00:56:37 <Gizmokid2005> and then extract the contents of the "core.zip" file into the root of the Commonfiles\Java\ folder
00:57:07 <evil-genius> Ok sweet
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00:57:49 <evil-genius> This is why I like portableapps, I got everything I need on my flash drive
00:58:14 <TimClark> /Gizmokid2005 is smart, I knew what to do, but HE knew where to put it, :D
00:58:44 <Gizmokid2005> haha
00:58:46 <Gizmokid2005> only sometimes
00:58:50 <TimClark> I thought the install locations were a little more complicated than that :/
00:58:50 <Gizmokid2005> I never make any guarantees
00:59:56 <evil-genius> Now, Imma go download my java app
01:03:55 <TimClark> Gizmokid2005: now if only we could still do that with Flash :/
01:05:07 <TimClark> But then HeWhoWillNotBeNamed would have nothing to Whine about :P
01:10:42 <evil-genius> All sweet
01:10:46 <evil-genius> Thanks allot guys
01:10:51 <evil-genius> Have a great day
01:11:22 <TimClark> Take care :)
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01:58:53 <M4T1A5> was TimClark referring to voldemort?
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05:06:15 <ChrisMorgan> That's the second time I've been testing language switching in an app and forgotten to switch back to English and discovered that language switching works in Chrome and PChat...
05:06:33 <ChrisMorgan> Except last time I did it, language switching /didn't/ work in PChat.
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09:23:18 <Jip_> How can i get my USB to be portable apps after installing it? it is still 'removable disc F'
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09:29:49 <awircser> Any pchat mod
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13:53:23 <spungo> Is there a way to download many portableapps at once? (not including the suite)
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16:37:01 <solanus> QQ
16:39:25 <M4T1A5> hi
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17:40:29 <kai_62656> Bensawsome: If you are here, PM?
17:42:15 <Bensawsome> kai_62656 why >_> hosting?
17:42:22 <kai_62656> not really.
17:43:48 <Bensawsome> lol
17:43:49 <Bensawsome> well
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18:10:09 <JohnTHaller> Hi all
18:13:35 <M4T1A5> hi JohnTHaller
18:13:53 <JohnTHaller> hola
18:14:12 <Gringoloco> Hi JohnTHaller
18:14:22 <JohnTHaller> Hi Gringoloco
18:14:33 <JohnTHaller> Thanks for your InfraRecorder help again, btw
18:14:57 <Gizmokid2005> hey JohnTHaller
18:15:08 <Gizmokid2005> I need you to update KVIrc asap
18:15:10 <Gringoloco> I'm just happy we (hopeFully) got a solid way to deal with xml files
18:15:51 <JohnTHaller> Yeah? How come?
18:16:21 <Gizmokid2005> There's a major bug in 4.0.0 that allows an exploit via DCC GET to execute IRC commands from an attacker
18:16:43 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: http://papps.gizmokid2005.com/KVIrc4/KVIrcPortable_4.0.2.paf.exe
18:16:53 <Gizmokid2005> I didn't change anything, just the app update
18:19:35 <M4T1A5> good thing i use irssi
18:19:48 <OliverK|Away> bah
18:19:59 <M4T1A5> what?
18:20:06 <OliverK|Away> you use linux M4T1A5?
18:20:14 <M4T1A5> SSH
18:20:19 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: Why do you have the installer source in there?
18:20:33 <Gizmokid2005> good question JohnTHaller
18:20:36 <OliverK|Away> ssh to a linux box then :p Not the same
18:20:43 <JohnTHaller> And KVIRC launcher is ANSI not Unicode right?
18:20:57 <Gizmokid2005> atm yes. I haven't converted it to PAL
18:20:58 <M4T1A5> OliverK|Away: i have linux on my computer
18:21:03 <M4T1A5> currently on windows tough
18:21:16 <OliverK|Away> okay . . . . yeah
18:21:24 <JohnTHaller> That's fine
18:21:29 <M4T1A5> and ssh is just the best way to use IRC
18:21:54 <Gizmokid2005> I'll have to work on converting it for a later release JohnTHaller
18:22:03 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: Does this need to be in there? CloseEXE=kvirc4.exe
18:22:03 <JohnTHaller> CloseName=KVIrcPortableTest
18:22:16 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: no..not sure why it is.
18:22:25 <Gizmokid2005> it should be kvirc.exe
18:22:29 <Gizmokid2005> and just KVIrcPortable
18:23:07 <JohnTHaller> How bout this? PreserveDirectory1=App\KVIrc\Settings
18:23:24 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: yes, JUST in case someone had an issue with an earlier test of it
18:23:29 <Gizmokid2005> though it should be taken care of by now
18:23:41 <Gizmokid2005> I have it as more of a failsafe than anything
18:24:15 <JohnTHaller> And your launcher sticks around, so you don't need to check for kjvirc.exe. Installer will automatically look for the launcher (since it is in Start=)
18:24:31 <Gizmokid2005> ahh, then it can be removed, yes.
18:24:39 <Gizmokid2005> what files can I dump from source for the installer?
18:24:49 <JohnTHaller> Ok, I'll leave that one line for PreserveFiles. Everything else is gone.
18:24:56 <Gizmokid2005> k
18:24:57 <JohnTHaller> I dumped all the installer files.
18:25:35 <Gizmokid2005> still need the "languages" folder JohnTHaller?
18:25:49 <JohnTHaller> Languages is for the PA.c Launcher
18:25:55 <Gizmokid2005> that's what i thought
18:26:14 <JohnTHaller> Which you're not using, so I remoeved em. Theye were used for an older version of the installer.
18:26:14 <Gizmokid2005> you took the source section out of the installer.ini as well?
18:26:18 <JohnTHaller> yup
18:26:49 <Gizmokid2005> so I just need my launcher stuff in the source now
18:26:57 <JohnTHaller> Yup
18:27:10 <JohnTHaller> Recompiled, digitally signed, added appicon_128.png.
18:27:51 <Gizmokid2005> alrighty :)
18:28:39 <Gizmokid2005> I'll add the appicon when I get it dl'ed so it's clean for the next release
18:29:50 <JohnTHaller> Packaged, digitally signed, tested, uploading to SF now
18:30:17 <M4T1A5> lots if singning
18:30:19 <M4T1A5> *of
18:30:48 <JohnTHaller> We sign the launchers and installers. We may switch to just installers to save time (since that's where you normally only see it)
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18:31:57 <M4T1A5> okay then
18:31:57 <OliverK|Away> JohnTHaller: whenever I try to download the new minefield of mozilla firefox I get a 404
18:32:11 <JohnTHaller> 4b2 or 368
18:32:28 <OliverK|Away> 4.0_Beta_3_Pref_English.paf.exe
18:32:30 <JohnTHaller> Oh, you mean on install the automatic download bit
18:32:45 <OliverK|Away> ?
18:32:56 <JohnTHaller> the part it downlaods as you install
18:33:08 <OliverK|Away> nope, just the launcher, running from the updater
18:33:32 <OliverK|Away> guess it would help if I had sad that to begin with, sorry
18:33:38 <JohnTHaller> Yeah :-P
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18:34:14 <JohnTHaller> Ok, so you're updating from a previous nightly minefield to b3pre. And it's failing to download the installer itself, not the online part where it downloads the current nightly froim mozilla
18:34:32 <OliverK|Away> yes
18:35:01 <JohnTHaller> Try it again now
18:35:40 <OliverK|Away> working now, thanks
18:36:13 <OliverK|Away> i'm really happy with the updater. Makes my life tons simpler, so thanks
18:36:35 <JohnTHaller> It's gonna be getting better this week. And adding software will be dead easy :)
18:36:43 <OliverK|Away> i hope so
18:36:53 <JohnTHaller> It'll be automated. too
18:37:11 <JohnTHaller> Check on platform launch (disableable if you don't like that)
18:37:34 <OliverK|Away> although, I usually upload back copies of the installers to my fileserver here on my lan, so I'm waiting for being able to save the installers to a directory
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18:38:03 * OliverK|Away is off to cut down trees now, laters guys
18:38:19 <JohnTHaller> later
18:38:28 <sar3th> bye OliverK|Away
18:38:44 <JohnTHaller> It's up: http://portableapps.com/news/2010-08-02_-_kvirc_portable_4.0.2
18:39:30 <Gizmokid2005> thanks JohnTHaller :)
18:39:48 <JohnTHaller> 20 mins, not bad :)
18:39:53 <Gizmokid2005> nope :)
18:39:57 <sar3th> nice
18:39:59 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: what size screenshot do you use for that page?
18:40:07 <Gizmokid2005> I'll get you an updated one
18:40:09 <JohnTHaller> It's not my screenshot, it's there
18:40:11 <JohnTHaller> theirs
18:40:20 <Gizmokid2005> right, you just copied it from them?
18:40:23 <JohnTHaller> Ok, back to AppCompactor, Installer and Updater updates.
18:40:25 <JohnTHaller> yes
18:40:31 <Gizmokid2005> alright, I'll get a new one for you
18:43:38 <JohnTHaller> Ok
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18:52:53 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: here you go: http://gizmokid2005.com/images/kvircportable.png
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18:56:07 <sar3th> channel OPs have a crown?
18:56:47 <Gizmokid2005> yep
18:58:00 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: If you screenshot it at exactly 800x600 I can show it realsize in the expanded version. Use something like sizer to manually set the window size.
18:58:53 <sar3th> sizer :D
18:59:01 <Gizmokid2005> never heard of it actually
18:59:11 <JohnTHaller> http://www.brianapps.net/sizer/
18:59:25 <sar3th> sizer is one of the main reasons that i did not immediately migrate to windows 7
18:59:28 <JohnTHaller> Run it. Click to focus the window you want to change. Then click the systray and set it.,
18:59:40 <Gizmokid2005> Hmmm, neat
19:00:05 <JohnTHaller> It supports right-clicking on window handles, too, apparently
19:00:40 <sar3th> on winxp it appended an entry to the system-menu of your windows enabling you to resize them as you wish
19:01:39 <awircser> Is it possible to view timestamps in PChat?
19:02:51 <sar3th> yes
19:03:22 <sar3th> settings->preferences->text window-> check show timestamps
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19:06:29 <Gizmokid2005> fixed JohnTHaller: http://gizmokid2005.com/images/kvircportable.png
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19:26:12 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: here's some instruction for the chat support page (http://portableapps.com/support/chat): http://gizmokid2005.pastebin.com/R5bGn9wr
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19:27:53 <Gizmokid2005> and maybe you'll want to change the XChat stuff to be Pchat instead?
19:32:00 <awircser> Wehre is zach?
19:32:01 <JohnTHaller> I replaced XChat with PChat: http://portableapps.com/support/chat
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19:32:31 <pa_5740> JohnTHaller: May I PM you about something?
19:32:31 <awircser> JohnTHaller: need help with pchat
19:32:50 <pa_5740> awircser: how so?
19:33:29 <JohnTHaller> pa_5740: ok
19:33:52 <awircser> whenever i close then open pchat, it tells me that error occured and it needs to send report to MS
19:34:11 <awircser> but i located a change in ini in data folder
19:34:24 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: you made it PChat, but put KVIrc's instructions under it...lol
19:35:19 <JohnTHaller> oops fixed
19:36:09 <awircser> still not fixed :)
19:36:12 <JohnTHaller> Now I gotta add PChat still and loxt the XChat bits
19:36:33 <Gizmokid2005> Download <a href="http://kvirc.net">KVIrc</a> or <a href="http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/kvirc_portable">KVIrc Portable</a>
19:36:34 <JohnTHaller> If you're not logged in, you won't see updates until 15 mins
19:36:39 <Gizmokid2005> ^^ there you go JohnTHaller for #1
19:37:13 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: and here's the old XChat stuff: http://gizmokid2005.pastebin.com/cQyBQGrD
19:43:21 <JohnTHaller> Ok should be good now: http://portableapps.com/support/chat
19:43:43 <Gizmokid2005> Looks good JohnTHaller :) Thanks
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19:56:08 <pa_5740> awircser: what is this ini that's been changed?
19:57:20 <awircser> pa_5740: [PortableApps.comLauncher]
19:57:20 <awircser> PluginsDir=C:\DOCUME~1\[user1]\LOCALS~1\Temp\nsc66.tmp
19:57:20 <awircser> Status=running
19:57:42 <awircser> The problem was solved when i removed that file
19:57:43 <pa_5740> ?
19:57:58 <pa_5740> Oops, shoulda waited.
19:58:01 <pa_5740> Sorry.
19:58:23 <awircser> np
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20:06:53 <Gringoloco> thesupremecomman: Hi, I've got some updates for you, the XML custom-code, just sending them
20:12:30 <JohnTHaller> Ok, got the AppCompactor fixes up. Next up is installer 2.0.3
20:13:56 <JohnTHaller> And KVIrc Portable screenshot is updated
20:14:05 <Gizmokid2005> you're on the ball today JohnTHaller :)
20:14:13 <Gizmokid2005> now I need to get off my butt and get PR of DV up
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20:16:42 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: I was going to ask you about this after your discussion about Iron...
20:17:17 <Gizmokid2005> You don't have any problems with DamnVid hosting the portable version on their site do you?
20:17:46 <Gringoloco> thesupremecmdr: http://portableapps.com/node/24234#comment-155471
20:17:50 <JohnTHaller> Not at all. It's entirely up to the publishers.
20:18:00 <Gizmokid2005> the dev was worried about download counts, and I know SF has stats...but I was thinking about maybe doing the standard host @sf and then putting it up on DV's site as well, since the updater function of DamnVid just points them to a specific URL
20:18:52 <JohnTHaller> We're happy with them hosting the copy for them and us on their SF project and updating it themselves with each new version. Eventually, we'll move most publishers to that setup.
20:19:39 <Gizmokid2005> well they don't use SF, they use google code. I'll figure out how he'd prefer it and let you know before we go forward with it.
20:19:58 <JohnTHaller> That's fine, too
20:20:20 <JohnTHaller> We can redirect anywhere. And we're using an internal counting mechanism for 2.0 final's updater.
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20:20:44 <Gizmokid2005> awesome JohnTHaller. I'll let him know and see what he prefers.
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20:25:05 <Gizmokid2005> and DamnVid Portable Pre Release 1 is up: http://portableapps.com/node/24457
20:26:22 <thesupremecmdr> nice!
20:26:36 <Gringoloco> thesupremecmdr: Yes it will, on second thought, maybe it's better to use PAL 2.1
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20:31:28 <Gringoloco> thesupremecmdr: you can get PAL 2.1 with MercurialPortable http://portableapps.com/node/23367
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20:32:10 <Apps> Hi
20:32:31 <Apps> I want to know if any one has the portable version of media monkey
20:33:14 <JohnTHaller> THere's an older test launcher for it: http://portableapps.com/node/16968
20:34:12 <Gringoloco> Media Monkey Portable is currently online installer
20:34:17 <Gringoloco> :)
20:35:16 <Apps> So these is is a test
20:38:27 <Apps> but is media monkey better than songbird
20:38:57 <sar3th> depends
20:39:04 <Apps> on what
20:39:13 <sar3th> on you ^^ i prefer media-monkey
20:39:52 <Apps> Ok
20:40:15 <Apps> I would like itunes but Itunes can not be made portable
20:41:15 <thesupremecmdr> well, it can, but not by PA.c :P
20:43:23 <Apps> I know that it is illegal
20:43:39 <thesupremecmdr> yes, and that's all we can say
20:44:55 <Apps> ok thanks
20:46:02 <thesupremecmdr> @JohnTHaller: will there be any changes to the name of KeePass Portable if the Pro version is released?
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20:48:00 <JohnTHaller> No
20:48:09 <thesupremecmdr> OK, thanks
20:48:14 <M4T1A5> why do you put the @ befor someones nick if you highlight him?
20:50:52 <Gizmokid2005> M4T1A5: for most people it's just habit
20:51:03 <M4T1A5> ok
20:51:13 <JohnTHaller> For people who obsessively use Facebook and Twitter that is :-P
20:51:24 <M4T1A5> for it's just easier to type part of the name and press tab
20:51:27 <M4T1A5> *for me
20:51:31 <thesupremecmdr> I use neither, I just like referencing people like that
20:51:34 <Gizmokid2005> LOL JohnTHaller
20:51:45 <thesupremecmdr> for me it's forums
20:52:09 <M4T1A5> thesupremecmdr: haven't you ever tried typing the start of someones name and pressing tab?
20:52:35 <thesupremecmdr> M4T1A5: no, because I'm not used to IRC
20:52:41 <M4T1A5> okat
20:52:44 <M4T1A5> *okay
20:52:56 <M4T1A5> but now you know :P
20:53:01 <thesupremecmdr> yes I do
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20:53:25 <thesupremecmdr> the last time I used IRC was probably to get support somewhere else
20:54:33 <M4T1A5> yeah i haven't used IRC too much either before i went to the school where i am now
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20:54:55 <M4T1A5> prettu much all of my classmates used IRC and they set up a chanel for our class
20:55:01 <M4T1A5> *pretty
20:55:25 <M4T1A5> and that was about a year ago :P
20:55:33 <thesupremecmdr> wow
20:56:06 <thesupremecmdr> now that I think about it, it must have been 2-3 years back when I had a different host
20:56:44 <thesupremecmdr> I had to get support so I signed on, but I've never done that since
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20:57:24 <M4T1A5> :D
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21:23:49 <Everest> Portaplize this: http://planet-racer.freeonlinegames.com/
21:24:00 <Everest> Download this game
21:24:25 <Everest> It's a single file, but the Progress is saved locally in Temp
21:25:27 <Everest> This game is portable since it's a single file, but your progress is saved in the Temp folder
21:26:05 <Everest> so when you clean your Temp files (Ccleaner) or switch to another PC, your progress is lost.
21:26:42 <Everest> tell me what you think, after you finish playing of course ;)
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21:42:36 <M4T1A5> this is a flash game?
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21:48:11 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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21:55:32 <ZachThibeau> hola folks
21:55:51 <JohnTHaller> hola zach. how goes it
21:56:02 <ZachThibeau> pretty good, still al i
21:56:11 <ZachThibeau> still a little tired from the weekend
21:56:24 <ZachThibeau> my younger sister got married on saturday
21:56:59 <JohnTHaller> ah nice. congrats
21:59:18 <ZachThibeau> I'll pass it along
22:00:51 <ZachThibeau> so whats new?
22:01:26 <JohnTHaller> focusing on some releases today. installer update about to drop (to improve updater workings with online installers in particular)
22:04:44 <ZachThibeau> sounds pretty cool, think I also finally got spell checking enabled in PChat, haven't compiled an update yet but will within the next couple of days
22:05:46 <M4T1A5> is the spell checking only for english?
22:06:16 <ZachThibeau> like I said I haven't tested it out at all
22:08:20 <ZachThibeau> but in combination with the language switching it could work with other spelling dictionaries of other languages
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22:11:44 <M4T1A5> can't say im envious of the guy who makes the finnish dictionary :D
22:13:28 <ZachThibeau> well I'll be using aspell which should have that dictionary
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22:17:57 <M4T1A5> okay then
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