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02:31:51 <slick__> i love those portableapps
02:31:55 <slick__> yeehaa
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05:42:38 <JohnTHaller> hola ChrisMorgan
05:42:43 <ChrisMorgan> Hey JohnTHaller
05:43:48 <JohnTHaller> how goes it
05:43:52 <ChrisMorgan> Fine.
05:51:51 <ChrisMorgan> And how about you? How's your work getting along?
05:52:31 <JohnTHaller> It's a-comin.
05:53:35 <JohnTHaller> Finishing up the installer 2.0.3 update. I swapped in the 7z beta to fully handle Unicode. Added better handling of downloads. And added the ability for online installers to look next to themselves for the files they need, along with the ability to advertise the URL, file name and MD5 to the updater via properties.
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05:54:28 <JohnTHaller> So the updater can download all the files needed in one swoop and ditch the need to have the online installers have to download, which fixes proxy issues with silent installs, multiple prompts for software firewalls and inetc stealing focus (since only inetc in the updater will be used).
05:55:40 <ChrisMorgan> The online installer stuff sounds good. I was wondering whether it would be useful even more publicly exposed - a new page with two buttons, one to download it yourself (give the user the file name) and then select it in a file picker or some such thing, and the current I'll-do-it-for-you mode.
05:55:51 <ChrisMorgan> How about the fixes I put in for 2.0.3, they're in?
05:57:00 <JohnTHaller> Nah, too complicated. If it's there, we'll use it, if not, we download it.
05:57:22 <JohnTHaller> Which fixes had you done again. I haven't fully integrated all my changes yet, just individual bits of code atm.
05:59:03 <ChrisMorgan> http://portableapps.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/portableapps/installer/graph?revcount=50
05:59:36 <ChrisMorgan> The only important one I think is the StrReplace -> WordReplace one to fix that bug, http://portableapps.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/portableapps/installer/rev/c0e1636b4b07?revcount=50
05:59:55 <JohnTHaller> Are you happy with the current tip for making it 2.0.3?
06:00:06 <ChrisMorgan> But there are a couple of other ones in that stable branch as well.
06:00:45 <ChrisMorgan> I'm pretty sure it's all safe, but I haven't tested everything, e.g. online installers I haven't tested at all
06:01:03 <ChrisMorgan> Your changes for 2.0.3 are probably quite significant too, I imagine.
06:01:36 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, but they're pretty easy to work into anything. Not a ton of code to be honest, and I know exactly where it all is at this moment, so now would be the time to do it.
06:01:58 <JohnTHaller> Do you have all the 2.0.1 and 2.0.2 fixes in tip?
06:02:02 <ChrisMorgan> My changes in the development branch have mainly been trying to make the code more maintainable.
06:02:20 <ChrisMorgan> Yep, both branches are up to date with all the fixes in 2.0.2 in.
06:02:51 <ChrisMorgan> I haven't converted /everything/ to UTF-8, the languages are still all UTF-16LE.
06:04:45 <JohnTHaller> Are you comfortable with the changes you made without doing broader public testing?
06:04:56 <ChrisMorgan> I think so.
06:05:29 <JohnTHaller> Ok. We only normally do testing on the major releases (2.1 for example). If you're not, we can hold all this off for 2.1 and just do the quick fixes and language updates.
06:06:01 <JohnTHaller> You got any tiome tonight/today to try out the online installers and make sure they're still happy?
06:06:18 <ChrisMorgan> I think all the changes I've made are all 2.0.x changes really, as there is no change in functionality, just the internal code representation.
06:06:29 <ChrisMorgan> I'll try building an online installer.
06:08:02 <ChrisMorgan> Got to find one first :-/
06:08:56 <ChrisMorgan> People keep on managing to get permission to redistribute freeware software :P
06:09:16 <ChrisMorgan> Ah, got one. PicPick.
06:10:13 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, it's a good thing :)
06:10:35 <JohnTHaller> I'm just happy the updater will be able to do the online bits. Just going that direction fixes 3 otherwise annoying bugs.
06:10:51 <ChrisMorgan> "Wiziple grants you the right to install and use copies of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT on your computer running a validly licensed copy of the operating system for which the SOFTWARE PRODUCT was designed [e.g., Windows 2000, Windows 2003, Windows XP, Windows ME, Windows Vista, Windows 7]." Am I allowed to install it on Wine? :P
06:12:20 <JohnTHaller> No. Bad Chris!
06:13:11 <ChrisMorgan> Hah, well I'm going to anyway. It's a validly licensed copy of Wine.
06:13:52 <ChrisMorgan> And I can also test it on Server 2003. And if I get round to killing my NTFS partition so I can expand my ext4 partition then I'll be able to test things on Vista, 7 and Server 2008 R2 as well.
06:14:18 <ChrisMorgan> But because I installed it as dual boot the NTFS partition is the one with the boot flag, so if I just scrap it I think I'll have a non-booting machine.
06:15:08 <ChrisMorgan> With XML stuff, I've put in a thing so it'll warn the developer if they use XML features without compiling it with [Activate]:XML
06:15:13 <JohnTHaller> Yeah. Unless you put in a bootloader
06:15:20 <JohnTHaller> Cool
06:15:49 <ChrisMorgan> And I've put in a lot of validation stuff too so all keys which accept certain values will alert the developer if they put in the wrong value.
06:17:27 <OliverK|Away> ChrisMorgan: should be the boot flag is on the mbr
06:17:36 <OliverK|Away> and the files are on the ext4 partition
06:17:39 <OliverK|Away> last I checked :)
06:17:44 <OliverK|Away> image it and try
06:18:12 <OliverK|Away> laters
06:18:31 <ChrisMorgan> I've looked at the flags in GParted (and other utilities) and it shows boot to be on sda1 - NTFS partition
06:19:06 <ChrisMorgan> And not on sda5, the ext4 partition (which is in an extended volume anyway so I think I'd want to resort the whole partition mess anyway).
06:20:05 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: Do me a favor and check your online code. Once you're happy, zip up what you have and send it my way via email. I'll work off that for 2.0.3 and incorporate my 5 areas of new code/changes. (Yes, I'm still learning Hg)
06:24:21 <ChrisMorgan> I'm just testing it now, seems to be working properly so far...
06:24:38 <ChrisMorgan> The current state of the repository is available as http://portableapps.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/portableapps/installer/archive/tip.zip
06:25:15 <ChrisMorgan> Seems to have all worked properly.
06:25:55 <ChrisMorgan> So I reckon I'm happy for the default branch to be used rather than the stable branch for 2.0.3.
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06:38:27 <JohnTHaller> Ok, I'll build onto that tomorrow morning, run a few tests and release it as 2.0.3
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06:42:22 <ChrisMorgan> Sounds good
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10:26:59 <pa_0342> forum spam: http://portableapps.com/node/24465
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12:02:00 <awircser> how to apply aspell to pchat?>
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15:34:19 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
15:37:53 <ZachThibeau> hey Mir if you got a moment can you go to -ot for a moment?
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16:23:28 <Mir> ok
16:23:40 <Mir> '/join #portableapps-ot
16:23:45 <Mir> FFFFUUUUUUUUUU
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18:47:01 <pa_5740> Concerning this link: http://www.mi3soft.info/
18:47:07 <pa_5740> That is shown here on the bottom of this page: http://portableapps.com/apps/utilities/xenon_portable
18:47:15 <pa_5740> It doesn't look like that said developer owns the site anymore, all I find are articles concerning printer ink.
18:54:03 <pa_5740> Hello?
18:56:20 <marlop> hi
18:56:56 <marlop> Gizmokid2005, ^^
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18:57:43 <Gizmokid2005> pa_5740: not sure what you want us to do about it...
18:58:38 <Gizmokid2005> that's probably who the original dev was
18:58:57 <Gizmokid2005> so we pointed to their site...if you actualy google it, you won't find another site really...it all winds up pointing back to PA.
18:59:38 <pa_5740> Gizmokid2005: OK, I just thought I'd bring it up. :)
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20:11:46 <JohnTHaller> I removed that link from Xenon. It looks like John let it expire and it's a domain squatter now
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20:13:50 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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20:20:50 <Drive-Dude> Hi
20:21:12 <Drive-Dude> I need support
20:23:16 <Drive-Dude> Help
20:23:41 <JohnTHaller> What do you need help with?
20:26:56 <Drive-Dude> I was thinking about creating a new theme for my PortableApps.com Platform with picture format GIF. You know pictures that moves. But that I can make that becuase GIF format does not work. Will it maybe added to the next beta. That would be cool with 3D themes
20:27:21 <Drive-Dude> waite
20:27:30 <Drive-Dude> I missspelled
20:27:32 <JohnTHaller> Wait for Beta 6 coming soon. It may have something that will accomplish what you need.
20:27:52 <Drive-Dude> Really
20:28:05 <Drive-Dude> AWESOME
20:28:22 <Drive-Dude> That's so awesome
20:28:39 <JohnTHaller> Wait til you see it :)
20:28:57 <Drive-Dude> Alright. I can waite
20:29:03 <Drive-Dude> No problem
20:29:14 <Drive-Dude> I cool
20:29:58 <Drive-Dude> Thanks
20:30:05 <JohnTHaller> You're welcome
20:30:44 <Drive-Dude> I am gonna leave now
20:30:51 <JohnTHaller> Sure thing, have a good one
20:30:56 <Drive-Dude> Have a nicwe day or night
20:31:10 <Drive-Dude> nice
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21:15:30 <M4T1A5> moving themes
21:15:32 <M4T1A5> that sounds cool
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21:22:35 <pa_7516> hello
21:22:51 <pa_7516> I am a little new to this
21:23:10 <pa_7516> and wanted to know how to take an app that I am using
21:23:29 <pa_7516> and install it on my thumb drive
21:23:46 <pa_7516> in this case malwareByte
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