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03:33:24 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: I think we should standardise the case of various things more in PAF, especially in the spec.
03:34:00 <ChrisMorgan> You call one item AppInfo.ini in its section heading and appinfo.ini everywhere else and that is how it is used. Except also now in the App Compactor section you call it AppInfo.ini.
03:35:26 <ChrisMorgan> With installer.ini, it is installer.ini everywhere except the new App Compactor section.
03:37:01 <ChrisMorgan> On FAT/FAT32/NTFS paths are case insensitive, but on every other used partition type they are case sensitive, and I think that being as picky about getting the right case as possible is a good idea.
03:38:56 <JohnTHaller> We should. Though of course the software is useless on all other partitions.
03:39:55 <ChrisMorgan> Naturally. Wine makes paths insensitive.
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03:41:47 <ChrisMorgan> I vote for directories to be CamelCase (including updating apps which currently use directory names like App\appname as new releases come out) and files to in general be lowercase (exception: AppNamePortable.* and App\AppInfo\Launcher\*.nsh).
03:45:26 <JohnTHaller> ALl the files in Other\Source use CamelCase
03:45:55 <JohnTHaller> I think it makes them more readable
03:47:29 <ChrisMorgan> Other\Source is special too, I think.
03:47:59 <JohnTHaller> Considering it matches up with AppNamePortable.exe, yeah.
03:50:26 <ChrisMorgan> I wonder whether we should should gradually head away from using Other\Source; Readme.txt can go into help.html (would that make it /too/ public?) and the AppNamePortable.ini can be removed. License.txt and PortableApps.comInstaller.nsh are about all that's left, then.
03:50:52 <ChrisMorgan> And with the way PAL works for source management, I think License.txt would be better moved to Other.
03:51:19 <ChrisMorgan> PortableApps.comInstaller.nsh... App\AppInfo\installer.nsh to go next to installer.ini?
03:51:38 <JohnTHaller> You mean PortableApps.comInstallerCustom.nsh, right?
03:51:51 <ChrisMorgan> Yep, sorry
03:52:10 <ChrisMorgan> The macro names in it still clearly denote it as "custom" stuff.
03:52:32 <JohnTHaller> I think having license in other\source is ok, honestly. As well as installercustom.
03:53:22 <ChrisMorgan> And then... if only all browsers supported the data: url scheme properly Other\Help\Images could be put into help.html as well... *sigh*
03:54:53 <ChrisMorgan> Question: what does License.txt apply /to/? Presumably the package minus the app. It's an interesting question which I don't think we've really thought about much in our app management, takeover, maintenance, etc.
03:55:13 <ChrisMorgan> (That line is more a statement than anything else.)
03:55:34 <JohnTHaller> License is the launcher generally. The app itself has its license in its app folder
03:58:09 <ChrisMorgan> I really need to go through the last two sections (excluding history) and fix things. There's some bad typography, a bit of obsolete info and some not complete information.
03:58:41 <ChrisMorgan> e.g. in "This may involve backing up and then restoring the settings for a local copy (in either the registry or APPDATA)" I'd change it to "... (for example in the registry or the APPDATA directory)"
03:58:55 <ChrisMorgan> Anything other than pure spelling/grammar I'll run by you.
03:59:43 <ChrisMorgan> OK, I'm off to a lecture now, bye!
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11:08:27 <MiffleZwip> May I ask a question? I cant seem to find support for?\
11:08:37 <MiffleZwip> How do you make a theme?\
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11:09:11 <MiffleZwip> anyone?\
11:09:43 <MiffleZwip> im using the beta 5
11:09:55 <MiffleZwip> so how would i create a theme for it?
11:11:05 <MiffleZwip> hmmm...\
11:11:18 <MiffleZwip> lotsa people but very dead!
11:12:43 <MiffleZwip> hi gizzmokid2005
11:12:53 <MiffleZwip> did you see the question?\
11:13:07 <MiffleZwip> or is everyone sleeping?
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13:03:51 <Bokuno> When Pa.c platform 2.0 final can be released?
13:05:20 <benedikt93> this is not really known, AFAIk there should be a lot of features still be implemented
13:06:14 <benedikt93> but the next beta should come soon, though JohnTHaller is the only one who (maybe) knows when
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15:30:52 <pa_3030> How do I get Firefox Addon settings to remain permanent? Everytime I exit and restart Firefox in the Portables Apps suite, All-in-one Sidebar and Forecastbar Enhanced lose all settings.
15:37:23 <Gizmokid2005> pa_3030: most extensions are portable by design, but not all of them are
15:37:50 <Gizmokid2005> Those two might not keep them in the appropriate location, or handle drive changes correctly
15:38:02 <Gizmokid2005> I use forecastFox enhanced with no issues, but not forecastbar
15:40:18 <pa_3030> understood. thank you.
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15:54:38 <rcmaehl> There's a coding error on your site's 2.0 Beta forum topic: http://portableapps.com/node/24258?page=1 in known issues there's a linked letter R and the letter R only
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16:11:57 <Everest> There is an issue with the Updater in Beta5
16:12:46 <Everest> I have written about it in several forums it got no attention
16:13:41 <rcmaehl> Everest, Which issue?
16:14:05 <Everest> When Updating an App that uses an Online installer
16:14:12 <Everest> and the download fails
16:14:21 <Everest> you get a broken App
16:14:36 <Everest> and the Updater claims that no Update is needed
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16:15:53 <Everest> the only way to fix the App is to manually download the App and install.
16:16:08 <Everest> Can you confirm this ?
16:16:34 <Everest> You can reproduce by following this:
16:17:57 <Gringoloco> Everest: It's a known issue, something to do with proxy, I think ? JTH says the next beta deals with it properly
16:18:11 <Everest> Good to know
16:18:49 <Gringoloco> read: http://patrickpatience.com/nascent-project/portableapps/irc/logs/?t=2010-08-03#T05-54-28
16:21:46 <Everest> The online installer failed because I had Vista Advanced Firewall blocking Outbound connections
16:22:32 <Everest> and since every new Chrome version has a different file name I can't make an Exception in firewall
16:23:23 <Everest> How to successfully Update Chrome without disabling Outbound blocking ?
16:23:27 <M4T1A5> not different filename
16:23:31 <M4T1A5> just different folder
16:23:43 <Everest> I have already made exception for the Updater
16:24:01 <Everest> I can't make a File-Excception
16:24:10 <Everest> that's the problem
16:24:50 <M4T1A5> allow C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe trough the firewall
16:24:53 <Everest> otherwise the download will fail, and the Updater will refuze to re-attempt the update claiming it's up-to-date
16:24:53 <M4T1A5> that should work
16:25:19 <M4T1A5> or get a better firewall
16:25:20 <Everest> are you sure?
16:25:24 <M4T1A5> Everest: yes
16:25:35 <M4T1A5> just change the username part to your username
16:26:24 <Everest> because the Updater downloads the Installer into the Temp folder and the Online Installer downloads the new version of Chrome.
16:26:34 <Everest> I already allowed chrome.exe
16:26:41 <M4T1A5> hmm
16:27:35 <Everest> how do you think I'm using Chrome if I haven't allowed chrome.exe ?
16:28:39 <Everest> the solution is to allow the Online installer in the Temp folder through the Outbound firewall
16:28:48 <M4T1A5> might be
16:29:07 <Everest> but the problem is that every installer has a different name
16:29:13 <rcmaehl> Yeah
16:29:18 <rcmaehl> Hey*
16:29:49 <rcmaehl> Is there a way to make the PAP list files with the .bat extension was well as .exe files?
16:31:08 <Everest> M4T1A5: I'm talking about the Portable Chrome, so "C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Local\..." isn't relevant.
16:31:19 <M4T1A5> oh
16:31:50 <Everest> rcmaehl: are you referring to me ?
16:32:06 <rcmaehl> I was asking anyone
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16:39:23 <benedikt93> rcmaehl: bat2exe ?
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16:48:38 <rcmaehl> NO!
16:48:49 <rcmaehl> benedikt93, evil program
16:49:11 <benedikt93> why? I never used that, only heard of it
16:50:01 <rcmaehl> It adds malicous code to your compiled batch file
16:50:07 <rcmaehl> SRSLy
16:50:29 <rcmaehl> a 1KB batch file becomes a 1.5 MB exe
16:51:33 <rcmaehl> and the exe gets detected as a virus by like 21/41 AVs on virustotal
16:52:20 <rcmaehl> And there's a new program
16:52:27 <rcmaehl> that's the same program
16:52:31 <rcmaehl> with a new GUI
16:52:38 <rcmaehl> and still does the sam ethigns
16:52:43 <rcmaehl> same things*
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17:12:50 <pa_1418> Hi
17:13:11 <rcmaehl> Hello
17:13:15 <pa_1418> I have a question: Is it possible to download a package which cointains all the Apps?
17:13:29 <pa_1418> All apps on the website, instead of clicking each one?..
17:14:32 <rcmaehl> Not that I know of
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17:16:00 <pa_1418> Ohh... okay :) Thanks for answering :)
17:17:37 <pa_1418> I wish they had a "checkbox" option
17:17:56 <Gizmokid2005> pa_1418: in the next version of the platform you'll see an app installer, may do what you want :)
17:18:02 <Gizmokid2005> actually, it should
17:18:13 <pa_1418> so you could just check all the apps you'd like to have, and then you download a Suite including all the apps you checked
17:18:26 <pa_1418> Gizmo, what do you mean? :O
17:18:53 <pa_1418> or Pa_1418
17:19:01 <pa_1418> What will be in the next version?
17:19:11 <Gizmokid2005> pa_1418: the next version of the platform is to have an Application "catalog" that will allow you to select the updates you want and install them en masse
17:19:31 <pa_1418> Really?? :O
17:19:37 <pa_1418> Wow, when will it be out?
17:19:38 <pa_1418> :9
17:19:41 <pa_1418> * :)
17:19:45 <Gizmokid2005> when its done :)
17:19:48 <Gizmokid2005> we don't really know.
17:19:58 <pa_1418> Has any date been set?..
17:20:07 <pa_1418> Ohh
17:20:13 <pa_1418> Okay, that's great to hear :D
17:20:18 <pa_1418> Can't wait :D
17:20:40 <Gizmokid2005> it should be awesome :)
17:20:44 <Gizmokid2005> we don't know when it will be, but hopefully soon :)
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17:21:55 <pa_1418> I hope so :) thanks for your help, looking forward to the next version. BTW: If I have the current Standard Suite, will my current version automatically update to the newest?
17:22:26 <pa_1418> or do I have to format my USB pendrive and install it manually?
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17:23:44 <Gizmokid2005> pa_1418: nope, you have to install it manually, but you do NOT have to format
17:23:47 <Gizmokid2005> just install the updated version
17:24:02 <pa_1418> Ohh, okay :)
17:24:23 <pa_1418> So the "update" button in "Options" on my current suite will not work when the new one comes out?
17:26:03 <Gizmokid2005> pa_1418: there is no "update" button in the menu...that I'm aware of.
17:28:14 <pa_1418> If you go to Options, it's a "Update" button there
17:30:54 <Gizmokid2005> pa_1418: I don't think you're using our menu then
17:31:16 <Gizmokid2005> I just double-checked and v1.6 doesn't have an "Update" option in the "Options" menu
17:33:50 <pa_1418> Ohhh, sorry, my bad, I meant the "Help" button
17:33:53 <pa_1418> Stupid me -_-"
17:34:08 <pa_1418> PortableApps.com/update
17:34:39 <pa_1418> this update feature won't upgrade itself to the newest version, when it comes out?
17:35:52 <pa_1418> Gizmokid2005
17:36:29 <Gizmokid2005> pa_1418: that just takes you to the site.
17:36:51 <pa_1418> Why does it say "Update" then?..
17:36:54 <Gizmokid2005> it just passes a parameter to FirefoxPortable to this page: http://portableapps.com/Update
17:37:06 <Gizmokid2005> because it will tell you if youre version of the platform is out of date or not
17:37:33 <pa_1418> Ohhh :/ So, if I have the newest now 1.6.1
17:38:10 <pa_1418> And then a more new comes out, will it auto install when I click it, or do I have to install it all over again?
17:38:37 <Gizmokid2005> you just have to use that download button that shows up if you're out of date
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17:38:45 <Gizmokid2005> and just install the menuupdate
17:39:39 <pa_1418> Ohh, okay :)
17:39:49 <pa_1418> Thanks for answering my questions Gizmokid2005 :)
17:39:57 <pa_1418> Helped me alot :)
17:40:26 <pa_1418> i'm looking forward to the new version that allows you to check the apps you want :)
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17:53:37 <rcmaehl> I just found a MAJOR annoying PAP flaw
17:53:51 <rcmaehl> on write protected devices
17:54:14 <rcmaehl> It's an endless Unable to write to error loop
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17:58:56 <Gizmokid2005> so report it rcmaehl
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18:03:36 <Drive-Dude> Hi
18:04:06 <Drive-Dude> I wante to ask can I convert a video file onto a GIF
18:04:15 <Drive-Dude> with GIMP
18:04:58 <ZachThibeau> you're better off asking on a specialized gimp tutorial site
18:06:17 <Drive-Dude> Can I maybe use Mediacoder
18:08:15 <Drive-Dude> Good Day or Night
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23:39:52 <JacobMastel> Hola
23:40:05 <JohnTHaller> hi
23:40:16 <JacobMastel> Finally got some internet again :)
23:40:24 <JacobMastel> I've been shut off for 5 weeks :P
23:40:29 <JohnTHaller> why
23:41:01 <JacobMastel> I'm staffing a BSA summer camp. The ranger promised me internet, but the dish broke and it just now got replaced.
23:50:41 <JohnTHaller> ouch
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